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An article you recently created, Trolleybuses in Athens, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). Right now the only thing which is sourced is the preserved vehicle.
The link for the source used for routes, does not give a list a of routes. I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Onel5969TT me13:50, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Thank you for your hard work in making the Greek railway articles living, breathing pieces of work! You deserve recognition for this!
Hello: the transition to Module:Adjacent stations/Athens Suburban Railway started on 10 November 2022, when Proastiakos Athens moved to Athens Suburban Railway, because the latter is the name that Hellenic Train uses. However, I moved the module without realising that the module system did not support leaving redirects behind. I temporarily recreated the Proastiakos Athens module as an emergency fix, while the transition was taking place.
REEDriler and I were the only contributors to the module, and since all articles now use the Athens Suburban Railway module, there is now a case for deleting the module, albeit as an incorrect name: the main reason for this is that I have recently looked up the term "Proastiakos Athens" on Google, and it returned only content directly or indirectly sourced from Wikipedia. Therefore, I have reason to believe that "Proastiakos Athens" was a spillover from the transliterated name.
Dear @Daniel Case: and @AlexEng: via WP:TRLA, I am posting a request for translation assistance in my user talk page because I am currently working on the following project in my user space. Your understanding is appreciated.
I am making a list of Russian propaganda lessons (currently at User:Minoa/Propaganda) and I want to make sure the translations do not drift too far from the original Russian text. I wonder if you can please help me on this. Afterwards, I think I could consider opening up the draft to further development by editors familiar with Russian propaganda stuff. This is mainly because I have been reducing my exposure to the news because of how depressing it is.
I now wish to ask what name should we use for the proposed article: "Conversations about the important" appears to be a literal name. Quite a few sources refer to them along the lines of "Russian patriotic classes", but there are a lot of variants. --Minoa (talk) 01:12, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, funny you should have said that because I just looked at the page again and that struck me, so I was coming over to bring it up.
That English title is literal, alright ... literal to the point of sounding awkward in English, as I think you have recognized. My take would "Conversations about what is important", adding a word in English not present in Russian, but making it sound much more natural in English. (And Google renders it into Russian exactly as it was originally! Great!) Daniel Case (talk) 20:12, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would actually render this as "Conversations about that which is important". In Russian, the adjective важном implies an object which is not there; this is correct in Russian grammar, but not in English. Using "things" seems okay at first blush, but it's more narrow than the Russian version suggests. When you use "that which is important", you most closely mimic the Russian version in English. Hope that helps! AlexEng(TALK)23:22, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Looking over the topics you've translated:
День учителя is more closely translated as "Teacher's Day" (or, less likely, "Day of the Teacher", since Russian doesn't have articles). If it were Teachers' Day, it would be День учителей. I know the English article title is Teachers' Day, but I noticed that you directly transcribed "Day of the Elderly" rather than "International Day of Older Persons", so I thought you might want to keep it consistent.
Similarly, you can choose whether to call День музыки "Music Day" or "Day of Music".
День народного единства directly translates to "Day of the People's Unity"
Волонтеры России – while this is technically correctly translated to "Volunteers of Russia", it's possible that the meaning was lost. Волонтеры in Russian can mean either "volunteers" or "people who voluntarily enlisted in the armed forces". Can you confirm that this is referring to civil volunteer activities and not patriotic military enlistment?
Новый год. Семейные праздники и мечты – "праздники" are "holidays". They can entail celebrations, but I think you meant to say New Year's Day: family holidays and dreams.
Светлый праздник Рождества – Again technically correct, but Светлый is also used to mean "happy" or "jolly", see Wiktionary.
Год педагога и наставника – Direct translation would be "Year of the pedagogue and mentor". "Pedagogue" seems pretty archaic, but they did specifically use that word rather than учитель, which means "teacher". Up to you how you want to do it.
@AlexEng: I have done my best to accommodate your advice. I am able to trace the official references for Senior Citizens' Day, National Unity Day, and Year of Teachers and Mentors, which permits me to use Teacher's Day and Music Day. In respect of Volunteers of Russia, I refer to civilian volunteer activities. Feel free to comment on my changes, although I am still thinking about the Article title because quite a few reliable sources call them "Patriotic lessons" or similar, e.g. by Washington Post and The Moscow Times. --Minoa (talk) 08:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Transport for Athens
Καλησπέρα, προτείνω να αναμορφωθεί αυτό το άρθρο και να αφορά τον ΟΑΣΑ ΑΕ. Οι συνεισφορές σας στο αρθρο νομιζω είναι προς αυτην την κατεύθυνση παρολα αυτα το άρθρο σήμερα ουσιαστικά λέει περίπου τα ίδια με το public transport in Athens. Ποια είναι η άποψη σας; Red Arrow27 (talk) 22:44, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, about the de numbering you made on the suburban railway articles, I inform you that according to the new map of the suburban and regional lines, they do have colours (yellow, purple, green, blue) and numbers (A1,A2,A3,A4) and they are official, and the maps using this scheme are present in the Hellenic Train's website as well as some of the network's stations. So you can just take the old pages, and switch Π1 for A1, П2 for A4, П3 for A3 and Π4 for A2, and the grey of Π4 (its new name is A2) for the purple colour it has on the maps. GoatGamer1 (talk) 18:55, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@GoatGamer1: I don't think you can just upload files you found on the internet: they have to be licensed under a free Creative Commons licence. They may make a good reference, but as a file on the Commons? Not so much. --Minoa (talk) 19:49, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In the logos, you got the colours right, but you should switch A2 with A4, as A2 goes to Ano Liosia and the Airport, and A4 goes to Piraeus and Kiato. But otherwise good job! GoatGamer1 (talk) 12:49, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@GoatGamer1: This is because I am considering a new station list format similar to the ones that I did for the Athens Metro (see User:Minoa/Stations). I apologise for the slow pace, but not only I have to verify them with the network statement annexes, some of the stops from the Hellenic Train ticketing database are for bus replacement service use only. --Minoa (talk) 22:23, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, however the stations west of Kiato it isn't clear if they are an Athens regional line or just a regional line , and is not numbered and not in the map of the suburban - regional railway. GoatGamer1 (talk) 07:08, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Independent Peloponnese regional line: uses "Proastiakos" train numbers but they are not in the Athenian regional network. --Minoa (talk) 07:38, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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@North8000: it's great to hear from you: I wonder what you think the article's importance scale should be in the three WikiProjects I have chosen? General assurance that the importance level does not have to be the same for all three. --Minoa (talk) 16:54, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the post. Sorry that I'm not in a good position in answering that one. I've not worked in that area and each project has different criteria. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 19:11, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. I have read the message you placed on my talk page. If the list is being subjected to a level FRINGE pushing that satisfies the relevant criteria in WP:PROTECT, then the page protection should be increased, per WP:EASYTARGET and WP:ATD, and any obviously erroneous entries should simply be ripped out (which seems to be happening). James500 (talk) 07:37, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Thessaloniki Metro
Part of this section was repositioned to clarify which sentence was written by who, according to this comparison.
Hi, they said that in Dimokratias just like in New Railway Station there will be an adjacent station. I have a video with the evidence. It was me that I was trying to fix it but I can't. So, fix it if you can because I don't know it. Also, delete Pylaia depot since the other depots are not on the template. 2A02:586:7931:FAC4:19E5:92B8:1586:D442 (talk) 06:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Minoa:, note that I requested a protection for Vyond due to war editing, IMO and IYO (in your opinion), the two sources that you removed are not reliable. Another question, do Facebook, Twitter, Instagram or ACBB Foot (see here, if only I show my Vyond series at Le Gallo and they ad an episode of my series in their last news section) are reliable? You can find my request here. Manchesterunited1234 (talk) 14:07, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the minor delay, @Manchesterunited1234: Facebook, Twitter, Instagram are not reliable because they are user-generated content with little to no editorial oversight (see WP:RSP). As the outcome of the request indicates, you should raise the matter at the article's talk page or Wikipedia:Dispute resolution, as we probably need more uninvolved editors to de-escalate the situation before it spirals out of control, and I am actually not in good health to handle complex disputes. --Minoa (talk) 19:34, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you clarify when a station is considered interchange and when not? You prompted me to List of London Underground stations, but there Hammersmith station is listed twice for example and that is blatantly, not even with merged cells. I assume that is because that station has two different buildings, right, despite being shown as an interchange station in the tube map? However this is the case with two Athens Metro stations as well (namely Piraeus and Attiki, in which you need to tap out from one station and tap in again with your tickets. In Piraeus you also completely exit the line 1 building to go to the stairs that go to the underground line 3 station). So what is the correct way? —Dimsar01Talk ⌚→ 17:32, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dimsar01: You could use the "Interchanges and notes" columns to explain the Out-of-Station Interchange (OSI). I also think we need a source to show that the connections are being separated by ticket barriers. --Minoa (talk) 19:43, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Minoa Thanks, yes I am aware. I think the general convention (based on typical use of of BSicon sets for route diagrams) differs from the more technical diagrams of railway lines that the set was originally intended for. Off the top of my head I can't name any metro template in Category:System rail transport templates that make a distinction between major/minor stations (not including interchanges; note that templates that describe commuter systems as opposed to rapid transit do use the major/minor distinction sometimes, for example Jura). -- Michail (blah) 11:26, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I am a Wikipedia editor for Athens Metro Line 4 and I would like to mention that I have talked with the Vice President of Line 4 for Galatsi Municipality, and he said that TBM Niki hasn't reached Galatsi station yet even if a source claims too. The TBM is currently under Chrsitou Lada street. The TBM is set to reach Galatsi station in February. LaparohMesa (talk) 14:00, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with your edit is that you did not provide a reliable source to back up the official's statements, and the English Wikipedia has a policy advising against original statements and primary sources with no secondary sources to support that. C.C. @Eva The Lefty as one of their edits was affected. --Minoa (talk) 16:55, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am confused, is there a source stating that Galatsi station is complete? My source states that it is soon to be complete, not necessarily in February but that it is the bext station to be complete Eva The Lefty (talk) 17:43, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Considering naftemporiki.gr and ypodomes.com are generally considered more credible sources and they are also newer so I think it is better to just keep it as "Until 2026" considering it is the more credible option. What you say about it being finished until February may be correct but wikipedia doesnt allow first hand knowledge Eva The Lefty (talk) 18:49, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@LaparohMesa: with all due respect, I'm only trying to follow good practices on making good Wikipedia articles, such as 1 Line (Sound Transit), List of Copenhagen Metro stations and List of London Underground stations. Now, this will require being more selective about what columns we include, such as local authorities, and is also proof that I also don't own the articles and I am trying to follow established article design conventions from other editors.
Your tables added the regional unit, which I believe is unnecessary given the spacing of the stations on the network. You also used line icons, which I am concerned may be unnecessary per MOS:XMASTREE, and only relevant in listing lines that serve the station in articles such as List of Athens Metro stations. There is also MOS:CONTRAST, which seems to imply that coloured rows and cells should be used if there is no impact on readability: but since Line 4 is set to be light orange, I decided to use a regular header to avoid text contrast issues. --Minoa (talk) 14:00, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Got your email, I'm not able to address this now. To report something for oversight review please see: Wikipedia:Oversight. Please note, the English Wikipedia oversight group can not help you with requests on commons wiki. For help on that project, see: commons:Commons:Oversight. Replied here as you have opted out of wikimail. — xaosfluxTalk23:35, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Understood: Wikipedia staff can reply to me by email but the email setting in preferences seems to be "all or nothing" for autoconfirmed and higher. Another idea for the MediaWiki dev team? --Minoa (talk) 23:58, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
