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Hi, forgive me for being a busybody, but a couple of things about WP:CBAN. First, the ban is usually recorded at WP:Editing restrictions. Second, although not required, you can place a tag on the editor's userpage. A non-administrator did that, and I reverted because it's your call and because non-admins shouldn't be tagging other editor's userpages anyway.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:56, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I believe that Mzmadmike shouldn't have been placed in Editing Restrictions, because it states that "editors who are subject to site bans are listed at Category:Banned Wikipedia users instead". Feel free to ignore this if I'm incorrect, that's just how I understand it and I wanted to bring it up to you. Best, -- Rockstonetalk to me!01:55, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I would undo it, but I really don't feel like drawing any more ire against Bbb23 (They're also wrong about non-administrators not being allowed to place CBAN tags on users, but that's a separate issue). I guess maybe ask another admin? -- Rockstonetalk to me!02:06, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There's nothing to undo because Jonathaunder hasn't put the user in editing restrictions. However, you bring up an interesting point because editing restrictions does say what you said, but that conflicts with WP:CBAN. If you want to do something useful, I would go to the talk page of WP:CBAN and point out the discrepancy because it should be resolved. As for the category, when Jonathaunder undid my revert at the user's userpage the ban tag automatically places the user in the category, but it's a hidden category. Hope this helps a bit.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:16, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, I'm wrong, Jonathunder edited a section of it, and that doesn't show up in the history of the overall page. I'm not sure what I'd do at this point, but I think I'd undo the editing restriction edit, at least for the moment, but I don't see any of this as urgent, and I'm going off-wiki now.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:19, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'll go make a note on the talk page of WP:CBAN about it, thank you for the suggestion! I think the reason indefinite bans aren't supposed to be listed in Editing Restrictions is for the same reason we don't have LOBU anymore: basically they just amount to gravedancing. At least, that's how I understand it. -- Rockstonetalk to me!02:25, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Quick edit: I think the intent is that a community site-ban sanction be logged by adding the banned user template to the user page, which is what I was trying to do when I applied the template to Mzmadmike's userpage (which like you said, causes it to show up in the list of banned users category, which is what we would want). That's at least how I reconciled current practice (posting the CBAN template on a userpage) with what it says. Like I said, I'll make a post about it in the talk page. I almost think I should make a post at the village pump regarding revising the whole way we do community site bans. -- Rockstonetalk to me!02:29, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I replaced him with Kurmanbek Bakiyev (b. 1949) as this will be his 70th birthday and the article is better referenced. Feel free, of course, to undo that or replace with a third person if you find someone better. Jonathunder (talk) 16:41, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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I see in the history of the article that you AC-ed it today for a week, but the padlock doesn't seem to have appeared - could you confirm that you added the {{}} bit of it? Or that there isn't another issue at play?
It may need EC-protection if another AC-permissioned editor vandalises it.
Thank you for the note. When I've protected a page in the past, I think a bot or someone who attends to such things has applied the padlock, but to be perfectly honest, I haven't paid attention. Can anyone watching this page do what is needed or tell me what to do? Jonathunder (talk) 16:56, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Today I made it to Lakewood Cemetery and came away with a not great but usable image. Maybe you can do better. I wondered if Lakewood accepts money for cleanup of graves. Most of her family is there but it's difficult to see exactly where. I couldn't find her brother Nebraska, the pianist. File:Dorsey_Lakewood_Cemetery_20190928.jpg. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:37, 28 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So good to hear from you again, Susan. Could I ask what time of day the photo was taken? Perhaps an overcast day later this fall will provide more even light and good color. I can try. Do you have the specific location of this marker? Jonathunder (talk) 13:00, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings, Jonathunder the Kind. Burial Search for "Ida Dorsey" will yield a link to "Print Map" which is a map of Section 11. She's in Lot 506 which can be inferred to be close to "Priene." Priene is a small monument and I never saw "Bulmer" that the map labels. The tree might be the best landmark to help you find the Dorseys. -SusanLesch (talk) 14:39, 1 October 2019 (UTC) P.S. I think I made this one around noon. -SusanLesch (talk) 14:51, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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There's no need for a redirect to the overly long name you came up with, as it will never be used. For one thing, it's not a unique description: the file on Commons is also of Feehan at a campaign announcement. You might have asked me before moving the file. Jonathunder (talk) 13:07, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Happy to continue the discussion on the Statue of Leif Erikson (Boston), but in the meantime, just wanted to thank you for your work expanding the article. Just FYI, if you're interested in public art/sculpture in Boston in general, I am currently using the project page Wikipedia:WikiProject Sculpture/Boston to expand List of public art in Boston and create articles about public artworks in the city. I'll be creating a similar list for Cambridge as well. I doing this work ahead and of the upcoming WikiConference and hope to continue creating many more pages! Thanks again for your help. ---Another Believer(Talk)16:02, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I plan to go to the same conference; perhaps I'll see you there. I found the monument when compiling a list of sites to visit and try to improve the photos, as I have long been interested in Leif Eriksson and Norse exploration in general, being from Minnesota and claiming descent from Vikings. Jonathunder (talk) 16:10, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Jonathunder, I'll be there!, so say hi if you see me around. I hope to visit some of these monuments as a walk around the city outside the conference. Whether or not you tackle any other public artwork articles, happy editing! ---Another Believer(Talk)16:12, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Edit rights
Hi there,
I see you made a change to my edit rights based on The SignPost article. I gave SmallBones the citation to the AN Closure Board of the ANI Review of all of these same allegations, but he did not use it. SoWhy, an uninvolved admin summarizing the admin consensus said Feinberg’s story was written by someone who “has no idea how Wikipedia works” and that I had not violated any Wikipedia policies or Terms of Use. [1]. Swarm, an admin who was involved in the discussion, did his own summary of the ANI review: "Eight admins have replied to the thread. All eight appear to be on the same page that the article is exaggerated sensationalism, and that the editor has not actually has done anything wrong. It has been suggested that the user should probably be more concise, but we haven't seen anything to support the notion that they're relentlessly argumentative or engage in "bludgeoning" behavior." [2] The ANI review included the PayTalk and bludgeoning accusations that Smallbones is bringing up again. Dozens of editors looked at every contribution I ever made and found no violation. My entire consulting practice is based on ethical behavior and strictly following Wikipedia policies.
Farrow says in the end notes to his book that the accusations against me are taken from the Huffington Post story. I don't see why changing my status is justified just because the press repeats the same accusations and finds Wikipedia's COI policies objectionable (that there is a sanctioned process for paid conflicted editors to propose changes and have them reviewed by independent Wikipedia editors).
If it's something you want to propose to your fellow admins for all self-declared paid editors, then that's understandable. To be frank, I don't understand the full implications of what you've done yet. Maybe it makes sense. My point is that more than any other paid editor in recent years, my work has already been poured over. So why treat me differently than other paid editors? BC1278 (talk) 01:08, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And I certainly don't engage in WP: Advocacy. Much of my work consists of suggesting to other editors that they correct biased and inaccurate language and POV being flung at the subjects of articles. I often use the official channel just to ask for corrections. Some of the admins who actually looked at the accusations closely at ANI, like Swarm, said my work made Wikipedia more accurate. You're taking this action based on a newsletter column that's based on press accounts written by people who have no experience on Wikipedia. The columnist on Wired takes the position that anyone getting paid is engaging in "paid advocacy." He thinks he's making up a new term -- he doesn't know Wikipedia has its own policy with the same name. BC1278 (talk) 02:04, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Adding my +1 as an admin in support of removing the extended rights too. Personally, I'm fine with uncontroversial paid editing (rather, proposed edits on the talk page as you do), the controversial editing and back-and-forth about proposed edits is much more problematic. tedder (talk) 03:40, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just wanted to weigh in here to note that BC1278 (talk) has repeatedly mischaracterized the discussions that took place around the propriety of his editing behavior (and he steadfastly refuses to link to the full discussion for that very reason). The consensus seems to be that he's either completely unethical but manages to violate the spirit of Wikipedia guidelines without violating their letter, or that he's blatantly breaking the rules. He has a history of scrubbing his talk page, but has been repeatedly admonished by other editors for his aggressive advocacy in the past. DaRonPayne (talk) 02:31, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate the advice from other admins. I have not examined BC1278's history in detail, much less taken a position on any disputes, so I think I remain uninvolved. I simply don't think an account for paid editing, which is mostly confined to talk pages, needs the extended edit right. I don't think what I did should really make much difference. Jonathunder (talk) 04:16, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Hey, figured I'd follow up here since I'm going off-topic.
Did you wind up doing the whole Freedom Trail? I took a lot of pics at the Granary Burying Ground, Bunker Hill Monument, and the Skinny House, but just a few elsewhere. I feel like there are a lot of opportunities at Faneuil Hall, etc. if only I had a better lens with me or the light were more cooperative. :) I lived in Boston for a while, but never actually got around to most of the touristy stuff, so it was nice to come back (frigid though it was).
Also just curious if there's a story behind your choice of license? I'm not used to seeing that on new files, so just curious (I'm not someone who's particularly passionate about choice of license FWIW). — Rhododendritestalk \\ 17:28, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I walked only part of the trail, as there was so much to see and photograph. I want to visit Boston again and get more. As for why I choose the GFDL, it's because I've found in practice Creative Commons gets treated as Public Domain and with it work all too often gets reused elsewhere without attribution. Jonathunder (talk) 22:34, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
After Copp's Hill it's just the USS Constitution and Bunker Hill Monument. Much longer walks to those than the others, so a sensible cut-off point.
What about being GFDL leads people to either not use or actually provide attribution? Or is it by virtue of not being on Commons? I do see all manner of attribution (or non attribution) to my photos. Sometimes if I see that one's being used frequently I'll reverse image search it and find a bunch of low rent blogs, etc. using it without attribution (or e.g. "via Wikipedia"). Meh. It's annoying but I complain only when it's flagrant or a particularly high-profile publication (Huffington Post, etc. should know better). In a couple cases, nontrivial publications have even slapped their own name on it (!). Thankfully they're usually willing to fix their mistakes... — Rhododendritestalk \\ 23:26, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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...and initially bet on snake eyes with Eve, sending his son down to Earth to play rock paper scissors with its primates for awhile was one of his better ideas. Happiest of Christmas and New Year's to you and yours, and a blessed 2020 to follow! Randy Kryn (talk) 13:33, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Would it be better for me to back the deletion nomination (which is seemingly lacking) of the current file in question and re-upload it with a free license to remediate the "fair use" issue causing the other user to disruptively edit the article? It is a far higher quality image and without anyone else in frame, far more fitting for the article, in my opinion. ☧Catholic Laitinen ☧ (talk)08:31, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Where did you get File:Lexi Kaufman Wikipedia.jpg? When you uploaded it, you wrote "This picture was taken at a public event" but you did not say who took the picture. That's important. Did you get it off the Internet? Jonathunder (talk) 11:49, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No no, it's not off the Internet, the photo itself is mine. However, I am not in it and I felt it would be a better fit than the previous one which has others in the shot, appears grainy, etc ☧Catholic Laitinen ☧ (talk)23:12, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If you took it yourself with your camera, please say that in the deletion discussion. It may help to say what kind of camera you used and other circumstances you are willing to share. If you are indeed the photographer, the photo should not be deleted and you deserve thanks for uploading it. Jonathunder (talk) 01:04, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your input. If and when can the picture be restored to the article? Should I refrain from doing so until the deletion request is denied? ☧Catholic Laitinen ☧ (talk)02:47, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
UPDATE: I re-uploaded the file with a free use license along with more information and restored it to use in the article. I removed my prior comments in the deletion discussion fighting the nomination and stated it now meets the "redundant file" criterion for speedy deletion. If the user who took issue with the fair use license removes it again, I will report them for disruptive editing. Thank you for your earlier assistance! ☧Catholic Laitinen ☧ (talk)06:09, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Jonathunder: Just when I thought it was over...Etacarinaee is again replacing my image with the grainy one, now claiming that my photo is inferior because it's a few months older. I'm concerned that they won't stop because they remove any warnings I put on their talk page. They also added unreferenced controversial biographical info to the article and it appears disruptive editing behavior extends back to at least October. Perhaps they've already been sufficiently warned to be blocked? ☧Catholic Laitinen ☧ (talk)17:38, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Seems silly to revert to an inferior image, but if it happens again, don't edit war yourself; let me know or post on the article talk page. Jonathunder (talk) 02:50, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Jonathunder: Etacarinaee reverted to that inferior image again. My image has since been moved from the infobox to a lower section after a newer quality image was uploaded, but I thought you should still know the problematic behavior is continuing. [3]☧Catholic Laitinen ☧ (talk)00:22, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Since I agree your photo is better for the infobox I put it back there, but please don't leave the other editor messages implying they will be blocked. Instead, if reverted, please discuss on the article's talk page. Jonathunder (talk) 15:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Jonathunder! If you recall, several months ago you offered feedback to my requested updates to History at Mayo Clinic. Based on your thoughts and those of another editor, I updated my request. However, no one has yet had a chance to review the proposed improvements. If you are still interested in editing articles about Mayo Clinic, I would really appreciate your feedback. Thanks! Audrey at Mayo Clinic (talk) 04:06, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Minneapolis
Hi Jonathunder, yesterday while you were making this photo I was right around the corner at HiFi records to see Steve McClellan. I remember walking by that building and seeing a wedding party gathered inside about 3pm. They were gone when I came back through a half hour later. Are you taking photos as a member of a WikiProject? -SusanLesch (talk) 13:00, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Jonathunder. I respectfully disagree with your restoring "mental retardation". Yes, articles are written for nonspecialists, but that doesn't mean excessive weight needs to be placed on outdated terminology. See euphemism treadmill. Mental retardation redirects to the article, and the terminology is explained in much detail in the article. Since this is a medical article, and with WP:BRD in mind, I ask that you revert your edit and discuss on talk page where medical editors can discuss. Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 17:43, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Alternatively, the term could be placed in parentheses: "Intellectual disability (ID), also known as general learning disability (and sometimes the outdated term "mental retardation) ..." That would at least let the reader know immediately that the term is rarely used by professionals. But I much prefer that it be removed completely, or at least discussed. Sundayclose (talk) 17:58, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As the article discusses the term in detail, it should be mentioned in the lede and the brief mention there is not undue weight. But by all means go ahead and discuss further on the article talk page. Jonathunder (talk) 22:49, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the reply. Actually, considering that ICD-11 (which does not use the term) won't be released until 2022 I think I'll wait for its release to revisit the issue. Sundayclose (talk) 01:23, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on religion
Dear User:Jonathunder, I hope this message finds you doing well. I note that you have uploaded many wonderful photographs related to WikiProject Christianity and was wondering if you know of any suitable images of traditional churches during the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. It would be nice to have one or two of them for the Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on religion article. I hope this helps and look forward to hearing from you. With regards, AnupamTalk20:04, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sign regarding COVID-19 on the front door of St. Martin’s by the Lake in Minnetonka Beach, Minnesota
Thank you for noticing my photographs and for the barnstar. Here is a photo I took this Sunday morning of a sign on the red door of an Episcopal Church announcing it is temporarily closed due to COVID-19. Perhaps it will be of use. Jonathunder (talk) 22:38, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
User:Jonathunder, thank you for taking this photograph. I really appreciate it and have added it to the article. Kind regards, AnupamTalk23:26, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A barnstar for you!
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Dear Jonathunder, I award you The Christianity Barnstar for all your hard work in WikiProject Christianity-related articles, especially the high-quality photographs you have added to various articles such as chalking the door. Keep up the good work! Your efforts are making a difference here! With regards, AnupamTalk20:06, 17 March 2020 (UTC))[reply]
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Jonathunder - thank you for your message and guidance regarding my edits to Louis DeJoy. I am an independant logistics consultant that follows logistics organizations extensively; an industry he was in for many years. That is how I know of Mr. DeJoy. Over the past few days, my Louis DeJoy google alert has exploded my inbox, which is how I learned of Mr. DeJoy's appointment for Postmaster General. When I found his Wikipedia page, I was disappointed that the content appeared to be mostly negative leaning which prompted me to provide edits.
Since the first paragraph only spoke to Mr. DeJoy's major donations to the President and to the Republican Party, which some readers may view as negative, I felt it important to also highlight his philanthropic endevours through his family foundation which I would think is also relevant. Additionally, since there was no photo of Mr. DeJoy, I contacted his office to get the photo which I uploaded. That is the same photo they provided for the Business Journal article you reference and is owned by Mr. DeJoy, not the business journal. They advised me that the same photo was recently provided to the postal service for their use. I can provide a contact in Mr. DeJoy's office if needed to validate.
I am not familiar with the process for requesting that my edits be approved, and would appreciate your guidance or acceptance based on the above.
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Hi to Jonathunder and Voidxor. I should have left the chat open to come back to Jonathunder after dinner but hey. Let me know if you wanna visit again. I see you've done Minnesota meetups and I've been to Rochester. :) — Smuckola(talk)22:52, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I've been travelling recently, but now that I'm back, I'd be happy to talk further. Please feel free to ask me for help in any way I can. Cheers. Jonathunder (talk) 16:07, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Leif Erikson Day and SpongeBob SquarePants
Greetings! I recently made an edit in the article Leif Erikson Day, mentioning a reference to the holiday made on SpongeBob SquarePants. You reverted this edit citing WP:POPCULTURE which, on a first thought, made sense to me as well. However, despite its status as a holiday for quite some time, you have to admit that Leif Erikson Day is virtually unknown to non-Nordic Americans, and completely unknown to non-Americans. This is why I think that the reference made on SpongeBob (which has been on air for two decades and has a gigantic national and international audience), having been mentioned on several media outlets (National Geographic, The Philadelphia Inquirer and AM New York Retro), merits some sort of acknowledgement in this article. Otherwise, what stops us from, say, labeling the section about Groundhog Day (film) in the article Groundhog Day as "silly Hollywood cruft" and removing it? I believe this would near excessive deletionism. Therefore, I invite you to reconsider your opinion. Happy editing.
I first learned about classical music from Bugs Bunny and his friends, but if I went and added those uses of music in the articles on composers, I'm sure I would be reverted. Yes, I'm sure some children first heard about holidays in cartoons, but do you find mention passing references in a TV show in the articles on any other holidays?
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Hi Jonathunder,
Is there a chance I can get your assistance in review and ultimately getting an article out of Draft?
Workers building the Minnesota State Capitol was flagged and deleted for copyright violations. However, the copy in question came from an articles in MNOpedia and obtained under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported license. However, the exact same content (word for word) was also published in MinnPost by the same author Randy Croce. The MNOpedia article was published on June 19, 2019. The MinnPost article was published on June 24, 2019, five days later. However, I could not convince the either the person who flagged it for deletion due to copyright violation nor the person who deleted it a few days later and locked me out of the content.
There were some other copyright issues but relatively minor and I have corrected them. I have also added addition content and sources (also obtained under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported license in MNOpedia).
I need help from someone that will actually do due diligence and look into the issues rather than just hit the delete button because Earwig Copyvio Detector bot returns a high copyright violation rating. If you feel there are issues, I will cheerly correct/work on them. Myotus (talk) 23:19, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Uffda. Don't use the DRAFT space. Just don't. I'd recommend starting over in a sandbox and then when ready move right into article space. Don't start a draft unless you really enjoy being subjected to silliness. Jonathunder (talk) 21:52, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some baklava for you!
For being the photographer's photographer on Wikipedia, and being the guy who makes the encyclopedia a good place to see the Sun (down a long hallway). Randy Kryn (talk) 21:49, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Back in 2010, you contributed a gorgeous image 3quills.jpg to Wikipedia page "Quill". I'm writing a book ("Hidden in Plain Sight", MIT Press) where I would like to use that image (with your permission) as an example of early capillary fluidic system. May I have your permission to re-print? If I do, I can include a credit line such as "Image courtesy of Wikipedia User Jonathanunder", or whatever suits you. Thanks! Albert Folch, (wikipedia user Albertff), Professor of Bioengineering, University of Washington, Seattle. Albertff (talk) 04:50, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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History Center of Olmsted County vs Olmsted County History Center
Hi Jonathunder,
I changed the name back from "Olmsted County History Center" to "History Center of Olmsted County" on the List of museums in Minnesota page. The organization goes by "History Center of Olmsted County" and they just did a new logo with it! Is there reason for the other name? Myotus (talk) 01:10, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
When I wrote them a check not long ago I was told to make it out to "Olmsted County History Center" but it does appear you are correct. Thanks for the note. Jonathunder (talk) 17:00, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I use the GFDL because I have frequently seen images I uploaded under Creative Commons used outside Wikipedia without attribution because it is widely assumed to be equivalent to public domain. (The essay you linked on some random blog is hardly what I would consider a reliable source to the contrary.) The license you suggest, if anything, appears worse in that I don't see anything about attribution. I'm dismayed to see you pushing for the same policy that caused me to no longer upload to Commons. If you get it adopted here, which I really hope doesn't happen, I won't be sharing new photos on Wikipedia. Jonathunder (talk) 16:47, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Notafish: Jonathunder called your blog "some random blog". The blog isn't supposed to disprove that anyone treats Creative Commons as public domain, it is supposed to prove that GFDL scares off reusers who actually want to comply with license terms. On Commons there's c:Template:Not public domain. The text on {{FAL}} seems short indeed, but that could be changed. As another alternative there's {{Attribution}}. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 17:22, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Heh, thanks @Alexis Jazz: for the ping. My blog is indeed somewhat of a random blog, but 16 years later, the rationale I had then still holds and was one of the reasons why Wikipedia changed its default license from GFDL to CC-BY-SA en masse. There are a otherwritingson the subject that might be slightly less "random". I do not believe that using the GFDL actually solves your (legitimate) problem of people using content without attribution. If anything, either people won't use your content at all, or when you tell them they "forgot" attribution, they'll opt out and use content that has less constraining requirements. Adding attribution is easy, adding a multi page text isn't. In the end, it's everyone's choice. I choose to license my contributions with a license that both requires recognition (attribution) but also enforces free knowledge (share-alike), CC-BY-SA is easy to use and explain, and does the trick. Your mileage may vary. Best, notafish (talk) 19:46, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I just adopted c:Template:Not public domain for Wikipedia: {{Not public domain}}. I even added support for FAL. I don't want to chase you or your contributions away and I understand your frustration with reusers who don't care about attribution, but there has to be another way than GFDL. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 20:36, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
And err, a bit silly I only just realized this, but you said that FAL appears worse in that I don't see anything about attribution. I don't see anything about attribution on {{GFDL}} either? Only the Creative Commons templates include four bullet points, and only on Wikimedia Commons. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 20:57, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I was really hoping there would be some room for conversation. I looked at your contributions to make sure you weren't on vacation or having a wikibreak or something, which is not an unusual reason for a delayed response. Couldn't help but notice that a few days ago you uploaded some more GFDL-only licensed photos. You don't want Creative Commons because of the reputation it has, I suggested FAL. You countered that {{FAL}} appeared worse because you didn't "see anything about attribution" despite {{GFDL}} not containing anything about attribution either. I offered {{Not public domain}} and added support for FAL to that because of your concerns about the reputation of Creative Commons. {{Not public domain}} results in a big extensive notice about license compliance, I'd have thought that was exactly what you were looking for. If you're not looking for a warning for re-users (which GFDL doesn't give you either), if you're not looking for a free license without the reputation Creative Commons has, what really is it that you're looking for? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 01:19, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have been travelling for business reasons and have not had time for Wikipedia conversations, though I did make a few uploads, as you saw. In driving across several states, I have photographed as many historic places as I can, which is a hobby I've long enjoyed. Honestly, though, I don't know if I will keep uploading them here. I've had many of my photos used elsewhere without attribution (though not nearly as much under the GFDL as under CC) and credit for my work is important to me. I do thank you for the template you linked and I may use some version of that. Jonathunder (talk) 20:55, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I hope you will. Unfortunately it is true that if you publish a work at all, regardless of the license and even without a license, it will get used without attribution. Some Dutch TV shows sometimes credit images and video to "Google images" or "YouTube", regardless of license and whether it's free or not. That's national television! It makes me cringe every time. Maybe a small half-transparent watermark in a corner would help? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 20:57, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
1 July has passed and the proposal, waiting for an uninvolved closure, seems like it has passed. It's not clear yet if the cutoff date will be changed due to closure taking so long, but it's probably wise to stop uploading (or switch to another license) until that becomes clear. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 10:52, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I was just asked about existing GFDL files and noticed you've uploaded some on August 1. Perhaps you forgot or you assumed a different timezone, but I think you'll have to relicense your most recent uploads. There has to be an acceptable license that isn't GFDL. If you don't like FAL, you could theoretically fork CC BY-SA with a new name. (not something I'd generally recommend, but in theory it's an option) — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 20:23, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The community authorised COVID-19 general sanctions have been superseded by the COVID-19 discretionary sanctions following a motion at a case request. Alerts given and sanctions placed under the community authorised general sanctions are now considered alerts for and sanctions under the new discretionary sanctions.
It's not how long you've been editing, it's how long you're willing to live your life under a microscope. So far, so food. Thanks again for supporting my candidacy. If I can be helpful please call on me, especially if you find I've made a mistake. BusterD (talk) 04:51, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi! As you know I proposed to restrict the use of GFDL and the proposal passed so per Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#GNU_Free_Documentation_License GFDL is no longer accepted if "The content was licensed on or after 1 August 2021". I have been trying to estimate the number of new GFDL-only files on all wikis and I noticed that you uploaded some files on August 1 per Special:ListFiles/Jonathunder. I guess you missed/forgot the change of policy or perhaps it is just the timezones. I hope you will be able to find another free license you can use. --MGA73 (talk) 13:21, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Jonathunder,
Thank you very much for the resources you posted to my talk page! I'm still trying to get the hang of Wikipedia so I appreciate any and all advice that can help me improve.
Take care!
Zoz0716 (talk) 05:21, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi, I got an alert that stated that you removed my account as an extended confirmed user. Could this have been an accident? My account passes the 30 days tenure and 500 edits requirement per WP:XC, and I cannot think of any reason why I would have my extended confirmed rights changed.--Righanred (talk) 04:35, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sincere apologies, all. I've been battling a long and serious illness for some time. I see a ton of messages but simply can't focus on Wikipedia now. I'll try tomorrow. Jonathunder (talk) 02:03, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Jonathunder. I'm Worm That Turned, a member of the Arbitration Committee. I'm very sorry to hear of your illness and would like to give the same advice I give to everyone - this is just a website, real life comes first. You need to focus on yourself and the last thing you need is concern yourself with our online squabbles. With regards to the case, we have the ability to "accept and suspend" cases by motion, which may happen here - anything that passes at the same time would be temporary, until either you are well enough to focus on the matter, or sufficient time has passed to make it permanent. In other words, don't worry about time pressure - focus on yourself. Please, do reach out if I can be of further help, my email is always open. WormTT(talk) 08:38, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Location: Otter Tail County Historical Museum, Otter Tail County Historical Society, 1110 W Lincoln Avenue, Fergus Falls, Minnesota, MN
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You are invited to attend a Greater Minnesota History Wikipedia Edit-a-Thon at a Local History Museum. Help increase and improve the depth of information on Greater Minnesota history topics. Find your own topics to edit or work from a list of suggested topics. Please bring a laptop. Lunch will be provided. For more information view the information page at the Minnesota Historical Society. If you are not attending the event in person you do not need to register but only need to sign up on the Event Dashboard. Myotus (talk) 12:34, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello, Jonathunder. Do you have time to make a photo of the Owamni restaurant at St. Anthony Falls? I also asked McGhiever who might be closer. I've looked through almost 2,000 images and think this one is the best quality but the photographer didn't answer my request for a free license (not surprising!). Can't hurt to ask. KUTGW. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:43, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Following an RfC, editors indefinitely site-banned by community consensus will now have all rights, including sysop, removed.
As a part of the Wikimedia Foundation's IP Masking project, a new policy has been created that governs the access to temporary account IP addresses. An associated FAQ has been created and individual communities can increase the requirements to view temporary account IP addresses.
Technical news
Bot operators and tool maintainers should schedule time in the coming months to test and update their tools for the effects of IP masking. IP masking will not be deployed to any content wiki until at least October 2023 and is unlikely to be deployed to the English Wikipedia until some time in 2024.
Arbitration
The arbitration case World War II and the history of Jews in Poland has been closed. The topic area of Polish history during World War II (1933-1945) and the history of Jews in Poland is subject to a "reliable source consensus-required" contentious topic restriction.
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Following an RfC, TFAs will be automatically semi-protected the day before it is on the main page and through the day after.
A discussion at WP:VPP about revision deletion and oversight for dead names found that [s]ysops can choose to use revdel if, in their view, it's the right tool for this situation, and they need not default to oversight. But oversight could well be right where there's a particularly high risk to the person. Use your judgment.
The SmallCat dispute case has closed. As part of the final decision, editors participating in XfD have been reminded to be careful about forming local consensus which may or may not reflect the broader community consensus. Regular closers of XfD forums were also encouraged to note when broader community discussion, or changes to policies and guidelines, would be helpful.
Miscellaneous
Tech tip: The "Browse history interactively" banner shown at the top of Special:Diff can be used to easily look through a history, assemble composite diffs, or find out what archive something wound up in.
Following a motion, the contentious topic designation of Prem Rawat has been struck. Actions previously taken using this contentious topic designation are still in force.
Following several motions, multiple topic areas are no longer designated as a contentious topic. These contentious topic designations were from the Editor conduct in e-cigs articles, Liancourt Rocks, Longevity, Medicine, September 11 conspiracy theories, and Shakespeare authorship question cases.
Following a motion, remedies 3.1 (All related articles under 1RR whenever the dispute over naming is concerned), 6 (Stalemate resolution) and 30 (Administrative supervision) of the Macedonia 2 case have been rescinded.
Following a motion, remedy 6 (One-revert rule) of the The Troubles case has been amended.
An arbitration case named Industrial agriculture has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case close 8 November.
Miscellaneous
The Articles for Creation backlog drive is happening in November 2023, with 700+ drafts pending reviews for in the last 4 months or so. In addition to the AfC participants, all administrators and New Page Patrollers can conduct reviews using the helper script, Yet Another AFC Helper Script, which can be enabled in the Gadgets settings. Sign up here to participate!
Following a talk page discussion, the Administrators' accountability policy has been updated to note that while it is considered best practice for administrators to have notifications (pings) enabled, this is not mandatory. Administrators who do not use notifications are now strongly encouraged to indicate this on their user page.
Arbitration
Following a motion, the Extended Confirmed Restriction has been amended, removing the allowance for non-extended-confirmed editors to post constructive comments on the "Talk:" namespace. Now, non-extended-confirmed editors may use the "Talk:" namespace solely to make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided that their actions are not disruptive.
The Arbitration Committee has announced a call for Checkusers and Oversighters, stating that it will currently be accepting applications for CheckUser and/or Oversight permissions at any point in the year.
You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated files}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the file's talk page.
You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated files}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the file's talk page.
Following a motion, the Arbitration Committee rescinded the restrictions on the page name move discussions for the two Ireland pages that were enacted in June 2009.
An RfC about increasing the inactivity requirement for Interface administrators is open for feedback.
Technical news
Pages that use the JSON contentmodel will now use tabs instead of spaces for auto-indentation. This will significantly reduce the page size. (T326065)
Arbitration
Following a motion, the Arbitration Committee adopted a new enforcement restriction on January 4, 2024, wherein the Committee may apply the 'Reliable source consensus-required restriction' to specified topic areas.
Community feedback is requested for a draft to replace the "Information for administrators processing requests" section at WP:AE.
A vote to ratify the charter for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is open till 2 February 2024, 23:59:59 (UTC) via Secure Poll. All eligible voters within the Wikimedia community have the opportunity to either support or oppose the adoption of the U4C Charter and share their reasons. The details of the voting process and voter eligibility can be found here.
Community Tech has made some preliminary decisions about the future of the Community Wishlist Survey. In summary, they aim to develop a new, continuous intake system for community technical requests that improves prioritization, resource allocation, and communication regarding wishes. Read more
The Toolforge Grid Engine services have been shut down after the final migration process from Grid Engine to Kubernetes. (T313405)
Arbitration
An arbitration case has been opened to look into "the intersection of managing conflict of interest editing with the harassment (outing) policy".
Miscellaneous
Editors are invited to sign up for The Core Contest, an initiative running from April 15 to May 31, which aims to improve vital and other core articles on Wikipedia.
Partial action blocks are now in effect on the English Wikipedia. This means that administrators have the ability to restrict users from certain actions, including uploading files, moving pages and files, creating new pages, and sending thanks. T280531
Fails WP:NCOMPANY, requires significant coverage in multiple independent secondary sources. The sources provided are either mentions in passing (Looney Laboratories) or based on primary sources (The Toy Book and Gizmondo) - interviews with the company's founder/owner.
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Hi, I am one of the administrators on Wiki Ligure (Genoese language from Genoa, Italy). It's such a pity that we could not keep the picture of the monument currently being built. For us in Europe it's a real hit and it's so right for Indians to be placed at the same level as white people on Mt. Rushmore. Believe me, if I could come all the way to that monument, I would take a pic and let it circulate free on every Wikipedia. It would be so just for the Indian people whom I respect so much. Any chance that you take one more pic and upload it free on Commons?
All the best Luensu1959 (talk) 07:06, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Luensu1959. As you can see Jonathunder hasn't edited for a longtime, and some of us hope he is well and will come back. May I ask, why can't you keep the image on your Wikipedia? I missed the discussion about the photo, can you link it? Thanks. Anothr good place to ask may be the Crazy Horse Memorial talk page. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:44, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Randy, global sysops keep deleting images from our and from other Wikis, that's why. The file I'd like to put once again on Wiki Ligure is CrazyHorse.jpg on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_Horse_Memorial
Considering that the author might not be in a position to edit on Wikis anymore, why can't something be started to preserve pics that all wikis might benefit from? Be well, Luensu1959 (talk) 07:24, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I totally agree Luensu1959, but have little to do with Commons and its separate policies. Was surprised at the lack of images of the monument in the Commons collection. Maybe leave a note at the Wikiproject:Sculpture and Wikiproject:Visual arts talk pages, where people like Another Believer preserve and function (Another Believer and Johnbod are both active in images and data about statues). I left a note on the Crazy Horse Memorial talk page after reading your concern here. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Twenty Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for twenty years or more.
Wiki Uff Da! Editing the Wikipedia for Absolute Beginners
Wiki UFF DA! - Editing the Wikipedia for Absolute Beginners
Oh, you know, if it isn't just the most basic workshop ever needed, "Wikipedia Editing for Absolute Beginners" for those who haven't had the pleasure of diving into that simple process quite yet. Bless their hearts, they're just starting out, so we thought, why not put something together? Because, you know, it's not like it's rocket science or anything, but hey, we're always happy to lend a hand where we can. And just a little bit of Minnesota Nice to help along the way. 'Uff da!' you say? Well editing the Wikipedia is not hard at all!
Join us at one of our three FREE workshops in Minnesota, where you can learn how to edit Wikipedia and add Minnesota's local history in a relaxed and supportive setting. Work alongside others and discover how easy editing Wikipedia can be. The workshops aim to enhance the ability of communities in Greater and rural Minnesota to edit Wikipedia and comprehend it's editing culture and guidelines, as well as to expand Wikipedia's coverage of Minnesota's history.
Already good at editing the Wikipedia? You're welcome to come and work on local history Minnesota Wikipedia articles alongside others. Learn more »
The organizer of this soiree is Joe Hoover aka Myotus feel free to drop him a message.
Okay its been a while since the Wikipedia Minnesota User Group has meet. Since the last time we meet there has been social upheaval, plague, etc... - no small thing to be sure. There has been some sad lonely discussions on the Minnesota Meetup page on getting together but little action. So here it is. Come and be seen. Talk about future the Minnesota User Group and see what nefarious plans we can hatch.
Date: Sunday, November 3, 2024 Time: 1 to 3:30 pm (reminder - Daylight Saving Time ends) Place: Wild Mind Ales' 6031 Pillsbury Ave, Minneapolis, MN
Hi Jonathunder, Just in case you are interested I have a added the meeting notes for the November 3, 2024 Minnesota User Group Meeting. You will have to forgive me, I am a crap note taker. Sorry! Myotus (talk) 16:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
File copyright problem with File:WaterTowerStCharlesMN.jpg
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This file is a derivative work, containing an "image within an image". Examples of such images would include a photograph of a sculpture, a scan of a magazine cover, or a screenshot of a computer game or movie. In each of these cases, the rights of the creator of the original image must be considered, as well as those of the creator of the derivative work.
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This file is a derivative work, containing an "image within an image". Examples of such images would include a photograph of a sculpture, a scan of a magazine cover, or a screenshot of a computer game or movie. In each of these cases, the rights of the creator of the original image must be considered, as well as those of the creator of the derivative work.
While the file description page states the source and copyright status of the derivative work, it only names the creator of the original work without specifying the status of their copyright over the work.
Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the original image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.
If you have uploaded other derivative works, consider checking that you have specified their license and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have created in your upload log.
This file is a derivative work, containing an "image within an image". Examples of such images would include a photograph of a sculpture, a scan of a magazine cover, or a screenshot of a computer game or movie. In each of these cases, the rights of the creator of the original image must be considered, as well as those of the creator of the derivative work.
While the file description page states the source and copyright status of the derivative work, it only names the creator of the original work without specifying the status of their copyright over the work.
Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the original image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.
If you have uploaded other derivative works, consider checking that you have specified their license and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have created in your upload log.
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