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Thanks

Thanks for the comment re: Elmer L. Andersen. It's just what I do ;-) Yeah, the Rochester article can use some help. I pick at it every once in a while. I guess I've been more interested in Twin Cities stuff lately because I live in Minneapolis these days, but there's a lot more to Minnesota. Anyway, hope you enjoy your time working on Wikipedia. —User:Mulad (talk) 18:43, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

Jefferson Bible

I see that you've been doing some cleanup of the Jefferson Bible article. I did some searching for some useful stuff on the book today, and left a few notes at Talk:Jefferson Bible. The article certainly needs to be enlarged, but I'm not certain on how to do it. gK ¿? 08:10, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for the birthday greeting. I had a great day with my family. Who could ask for more? -Rholton 07:24, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Commas before Ands (Serial commas)

Hi there! Nice to see somebody else who cares about grammar, but putting a comma before the "and" in a list is not really a correction. Such commas are considered correct in American English but incorrect in British English. Wikipedia convention is that articles may be written in either dialect, but that each article should consistently use one or the other, so please don't insert the commas into British English articles! Best wishes (and sorry to be a pedant!), Cambyses 02:26, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Fair enough - you win! The commas scan dreadfully to anybody with a British education (commas generally correspond to pauses in British English, so inserting a comma mentally causes one to insert a pause where it sounds completely unnatural) and the justification in the style manual seems rather spurious. But it is indeed there, so I daresay it has been debated before and opening it up again won't do any good! Best wishes, Cambyses 15:21, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

You might like to take a look at the article Oxford comma (which is the technical name for a comma before "and" in a list). Of course, a comma is always necessary before "and" when it is linking two clauses, and the subject of those two clauses is different (as demonstrated here:) ). jguk 19:59, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

User:166.109.178.51

The top of WP:VIP says: Please only use this page for repeated malicious vandalism, not for one-off edits, or newbie tests. 'Except in cases of vandalbot or other rapid-fire attacks, please warn users and wait for further vandalism before listing them here. Do not list non-vandalism.
This anon editor had just 3 edits, see his contributions. Please only report people on VIP if they perform repeated vandalism after repeated warnings. I appreciate your initiative anyway. Not many new users have the guts to report vandalism. Just make sure you check a good part of their contribution history next time. :) Mgm|^(talk) 19:16, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

• Hi, Jonathunder, srry about the celtics page...didn't take my meds!!!

The Boomer Bible -- Thanks

Dear Jonathunder,

Thanks for your help in getting the title changed. I went about it all wrong as it turns out, but maybe it can be done without further nit-picking.

I did add the examples from other book title entries under the comment section for requested moves.

Thanks,

BalowStar 19:16, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Dear Jonathunder,

Thank you for your interest in The Boomer Bible. The author, R. F. Laird has written a number of other satirical works -- most recently Shuteye Town 1999. There are also a number of manuscripts that are still looking for a publisher.

You can find out an awful lot about the book and the author at http://www.boomerbible.com/. There is also a forum at http://www.boomerbible.com/Forum/. R. F. Laird has written a number of essays and articles for http://www.InstaPunk.com/, but has been on a brief break due to some personal situations that require his attention. We are eagerly awaiting his return.

Let me know if I can be of more help. And, again, thank you for your interest and support.

Regards, BalowStar 16:21, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Partial reversion on F. Holland Day page

See Talk:F. Holland Day for explanation. Dpbsmith (talk) 12:22, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Jesus, Christ, and Jesus Christ

I noticed that you went through and changed a lot of links to Jesus Christ to just point to Jesus. I beleive that there is a subtle (and in some cases not-so-subtle) difference between Jesus, Christ, and their combination. In my case it was pretty much a quote, which you made into a misquote. I appreciate that you were trying to cut down on redirects, but I think in many case you should have left Christ in the text and then just pointed to either the Jesus or the Christ article, whichever appeared more appropriate for the case. Sorry to criticise your work, but I know some of the faithful are pretty particular about their terminology. Nonenmac 04:01, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

If the word "Christ" is more appropriate to the context, I can do as you suggest. Can you tell me which article this was in? In simplifying these links and references, I tried to be very careful not to change any words in direct quotes. If what I changed was a quotation, it should be corrected and quote marks used. Jonathunder 15:56, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)

Liturgy of St James

Hi mate,

Thanks for the mods to the Liturgy of St James page. I'm just getting my feet wet with WikiPedia and appreciate the contributions of everyone!

Degenerate art

Hi John, was attempting to input changes, and our paths crossed. Now I don't know what to do, because there's a tag re: redirects. I have changed & added text; and oodles of references. Your editing was fabulous, by the way, thank you! But what do I do now?? I don't want to revert...but I don't want to lose all this new information I was ready to add, either. Yikes! --allie 17:25, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hi, Allie --

My edit was small: a one word change to avoid a redirect. So go ahead and revert, if that's going to be the easiest way to fix the article so you can add your changes. I can always make my fairly minor edit again later.

Jonathunder 18:11, 2005 Jan 18 (UTC)

Grrr. Would you believe your note didn't show up on my talk page? No, I don't want to change your edits - I believe your contributions were more substantial than you give yourself credit for. Not sure, however, I've been working on that page for a while, At any rate, would you mind telling me what the redirect is so that I can avoid it in the future? Best regards, --15:19, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, now I know what to look for. Assistance greatly appreciated-apparently, our inputs were "crossed" so my edits were partially loaded while your redirect was. Now I understand the confusion. New as well, so I understand. From what I gather, you are quite the editor - if you have the inclination, please feel free to take a look when I finish up, which will be by end of day. Also, sorry our messages didn't get through. Now isn't that something? Best regards. --allie 13:48, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Almost but not quite. Too much equity in that article. Finally finished up all the typos & glitches...my first successful overhaul. It's nice of you to notice, and thank you for your kind note. It can be difficult working without any feedback, so your note was a great boost. --19:00, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Jonathan - I could use a little help, if you have the inclination. This article hasn't been touched in months, and now suddenly, everyone is an expert. My problem is simple: I do not know how to footnote. Do you? Also, would you please put the article on your watchlist? I would be eternally grateful. Take a look at the talk page, and you'll get the gist. many thanks, this is your doing, it was your note that kept me going on this (guilt trip...guilt trip...) best regards, --allie 20:29, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

LGBT

Honestly...I'm not taking anything away. I merely created a few subcategories for certain related groupings of people within the larger category. All of the subcategories are still filed on the main category page, and thus still entirely accessible. I don't see how this detracts from the research value of the category; in fact, it adds research value because if one is researching a more specific topic, such as GLBT politicians, it provides a more specialized category for that, and if one wants to see GLBT people in general, the link to that set of people is still readily accessible from the main category. I just don't see how this would reduce the value of the category. Bearcat 03:55, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration Committee case opening

You have been named as a disputant in the recently opened Charles Darwin/Lincoln dispute case brought before the Arbitration Committee. You may wish to add evidence to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Charles Darwin/Lincoln dispute/Evidence to support your case. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 03:32, 2005 Jan 25 (UTC)

Really getting weirded out

I've noticed you getting pages I've worked on renamed because of the silly naming conventions rule regarding capitalization...if that wasn't stalker-ish enough, now I see you making linking edits on pages I'm currently working on. This is really getting me weirded out that you're following me around for some deliberate reason. If you are, stop it stalker. If it isn't deliberate, you have some explaining to do. —ExplorerCDT 06:25, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I have WP:RM on my watchlist and I often clean up after page moves. Since you are quite active there too, it's natural our paths will cross. I like to tidy things, and if you look at my contributions you'll see I fix many redirects in lots of articles all over the place. I'm not "stalking" you, or anyone else. Jonathunder 06:40, 2005 Feb 14 (UTC)

As far as the "silly naming conventions rule" regarding capitalization of titles, you may be surprised to know I think it's odd, even a bit silly, too. But as far as things like that go, its far more useful that the convention, whatever it is, be consistant than that it be "correct". We can argue all day about whether that kind of convention is correct, but as long as it's reasonably consistant, we can follow it and keep something as big as WP somewhat organized. Jonathunder 06:49, 2005 Feb 14 (UTC)

• Paths crossing is one thing, freaking the hell out of me by running into you as often as I have this week is worse than that guy who stands on the corner of 1st Avenue and East 14th Street starring at me every time I walk up out of the 1st Ave. L train station in the morning. —ExplorerCDT 06:46, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Oh, so that was you at the train station. I'll say "hi" next time. (Just kidding.) Cheers. Jonathunder 06:56, 2005 Feb 14 (UTC)

• No...don't even. LOL. —ExplorerCDT 06:57, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• P.S. As to naming conventions...I generally agree with them. But, the capitalization rule has to go (just like the designated hitter rule in baseball). Articles should be titled like they are in Funk & Wagnalls...in all Caps. That's consistency. It's aesthetic, unlike the recent unbalanced renaming of Colonial Colleges → Colonial colleges and Weimar Culture → Weimar culture. —ExplorerCDT 06:53, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Classical definition of republic

The Wikipedian community has saw fit to delete The Classical definition of republic. I found more corraborating evidence and, on the Votes for Undeletion, They are still voting to keep it deleted. I think this is highly unfair. Is there a cabal going around voting things off that they don't like? I have put external link to Wikinfo:Classical definition of republic and they delete that also. It has been deleted twice from Republic. What's going on here? Wikipedia is not "Free and Open-Content". There is a group controlling what gets said around here. I have been reading about "Republics" all my life. I even quote from a Modern Scholary work that used the term "Classical Republic". And they still delete. Something is not right here. WHEELER 15:29, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

PLEASE VOTE

• Wikipedia talk:Requested moves - help save Requested Moves, bring friends. I'd hope you vote to keep voting at RM instead of running away to cabal at distant talk pages. —ExplorerCDT 18:58, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Image:KateWinsletTitanic.jpg

I removed your {{imagevio}} and have explained why on the talk page Image talk:KateWinsletTitanic.jpg. Primarly, you didn't give the uploader the chance to put a copyright tag on it before labeling it as a copyright violation. Secondly, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of screenshots on wikipedia and this one is no exception.

I left a note on the uploader's page requesting a copyright tag be added. Cburnett 07:05, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

RfC

The sharing at RfC seems to be over. I have made a response there. Please take a look. I do hope that with everyone's effort Wikipedia will soon be the best encyclopedia ever. :-D — Instantnood 21:26 Mar 5 2005 (UTC)

User:Vaoverland

Thank you for supporting my appointment as an administrator. I appreciate the pat on the back this represents. It felt nice to read the comments during the voting. Please let me know if you see something I should be doing as admin, as I intend to be fairly passive unless it is clear I should do otherwise. Thanks. Mark in Richmond. Vaoverland 20:06, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)

"Pointless move"

Hi, you said on my RFA in opposing: "He answered many requests to move articles in WP:RM only with the curt reply "pointless move". That just doesn't seem helpful to the requestor."

Actually if you'll check I made this comment on very few occasions, when I thought the triviality of the request was quite evident:

• Good Riddance (Time Of Your Life) → Good Riddance (Time of Your Life) A move to change a minor word in a song title.
• Joseph John Thomson → J.J. Thomson Either version of the name is okay.
• Alexander Thynne → Alexander George Thynne, 7th Marquess of Bath Ditto.
• United States → United States of America Wikipedians have gotten used to it where it is.

I think I was demonstrably wrong on the Marquess of Bath because we have a convention on naming of nobility. The rest, I think I was right to give my opinion that the articles were quite happy where they were and didn't need moving.

But it's much more than that. On many occasions (the vast majority) I expanded on my reasons at length. And it has to be said that on WP:RM a simple "support" or "oppose" is considered quite acceptable. Any reason given is an invitation to those involved in the discussion to consider that reason. If someone had wanted to question my statement, they could have. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 20:53, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Use of serial comma

Hi Jonathunder, I notice in the article on pennying you inserted a serial comma (also known as an Oxford comma in the U.K.). According to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Serial_commas the use of this style is optional - please try not to make this as the only change to a page. Kind regards, --NeilRickards 16:39, 18 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikilinking

Thanks for dropping by my user page. I'm not sure that "anomalous phenomenon" captures what I wanted, so I've made more precise links. When I set up the page, I just assumed we had an article on the paranormal. Learn something new every day! JamesMLane 04:43, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Page move of Guantánamo

Hi Jon. Why was this page moved from the correct Spanish spelling of Guantánamo to Guantanamo, without the accent? Please respond on Talk:Guantanamo. Thanks.--Pharos 00:41, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I've responded there. Please also see a related discussion on Talk:Guantanamo Bay#Page move.

Quotes and punctuation...

Thanks for re-fixing those quotes. I'm running into an amazing number of reverts recently when trying to make those MoSish (after doing quite a few before and no-one raising a peep). Was starting to think it was a lost cause. There seems to be schools of thought abroad that "the Manual isn't policy" and/or "that's British usage", and therefore can be ignored (or undone) with impunity... Alai 05:17, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hi, Alai, thanks for your note.

Yes, the MoS itself does say it's not policy. "Writers are not required to follow all or any of these rules: the joy of wiki editing is that perfection is not required."

It continues, though, in the next sentence: "Copy-editing wikipedians will refer to this manual, and pages will either gradually be made to conform with this guide or this guide will itself be changed."

It looks like you and I are doing that gradual conforming work. (Keep doing that good work.)

Wishing you all the best. -- Jonathan

Thanks again. While I don't think the MoS ought to be policy per se (conjuring up as it does images of new editors having to ingest Strunk and White before daring to edit a thing), I do wonder if there ought not to be some policy about it. Something along the lines of, if it's MoS, and you've had it repeatedly explained to you it's MoS, then please don't keep repeatedly reverting it regardless... Alai 05:55, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

My adminship

Thank you for voting for me for adminship. I appreciate the confidence you showed in me. I do try to be thoughtful and careful, and it's worked well for me so far. — Knowledge Seeker দ 08:37, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Punk4

Stop vandalizing MY user page

-- above added by Punk4

Hi, Arwel. Are you the person who blocked Punk4? If you did, thank you. He accused me of vandalism on my talk page after I reverted a couple of his edits, which were clearly vandalism. Jonathunder 01:46, 2005 Mar 18 (UTC)

Yes, that was me. :) He was a multiple vandal and clearly a reincarnation of banned user Punk3, so I had no hesitation banning him. -- Arwel 01:52, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Cabinet Office move

Hi. I just want to clarify that you understood my argument. The alternative meaning given for Cabinet Office was the Japanese Cabinet Office. This is a translation from Japanese and opens the door for other pages translated from other languages to be become disambiguation pages. For example President of the United States in Spanish is "Presidente de los Estados Unidos" which could refer to the President of Mexico (Presidente de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos). Should President of the United States therefore be a disambiguation page? This is the first example I could think of and in this specific case isn't very strong, but it makes the general point. Jooler 09:52, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Abdullah Öcalan to merge with PKK

Can you please reconsider your desicion. The mans life mostly revolved around the organisation. His life basicaly is a very short summary of PKK Activity. His pre-organisation life is not significant from any average person. These two articles are also subject to vandalism every here and there it would simplify my workload enforcing a non vandal world if these articles were merged. Thanks Cat ^chi? 17:05, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Oh! Mr. Porter! VFD

Hi there--

Another user and I have done a rewrite of the Oh! Mr Porter! article in the hopes of making it worthy of keeping. I'm wondering if you'd take a look at the new article, and reconsider your vote to delete it . Thanks!

Best wishes, Jacobw 18:54, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It does look much better. (It didn't even name the subject matter before.) I'll reconsider. Jonathunder 19:04, 2005 Mar 24 (UTC)

Jonathan speak on VfD

Hi, there.

I've just placed a vote on VfD to delete this article, nominated by you. User Charles Matthews had previously noted that we also have a Jonathan Speak page ("Speak" capitalized) about the same guy. Would you consider changing your nomination to a double nomination, to include this too? I was tempted to do it myself, but I thought it unpolite since you were the original nominator. Thank you! VladMV ٭ ^talk 15:18, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• I made it a double nomination. Thank you! VladMV ٭ ^talk 16:41, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Image move

I noticed as soon as I had done the edit on requested move that it inserted the image. Silly me. And I changed it to remove the link. Note that by the time you edited it the brackets had gone so it didnt load an image. But no, I cannot move the image to a new name hence the request. Please tell me where to make the request. If you cant I will revert your revert. Billlion 23:44, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)