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If you'd read the pages concerned you would have seen a solution had already been reached without your belatedly involvement. --Falcadore (talk) 16:41, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ANEW

I was literally just thinking of how to deal with this mess, again, so thank you for going straight to ANEW, that will suffice for me for now. The359 (Talk) 01:36, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

2014 International V8 Supercars Championship

Hi Falacadore, purpose of co-driver field is to allow cites to be added as they become available, rather than as on the 2013 page where it has yet to be done and will be a larger task done restropectively. Co-drivers start to be named as soon as straight after Bathurst.V7867 (talk) 10:51, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No they are not. There is speculation straight after Bathurst, but generally not confirmed. Additionally with so few main game drivers signed up for 2014 and with a few RECs on the move the co-driver market will start later this time around. Although it's very easy to call that speculation too.
At the very least there is no reason to create a co-driver column until any of them have been announced. Empty columns are not a good idea. They encourage editors to add every rumour they think.
The only reason you've named to put the column in is based on your prediction that drivers will be named next month. That's not good enough. Not close to good enough. Remove. --Falcadore (talk) 11:45, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Prisonermonkeys has managed to explain - in a far friendlier manner. The column wasn't added on the basis that co-drivers will be announced next month, just a bit of house keeping for when needed. But Prisonermonkeys has pointed out how this has been handled on the 2013 page.V7867 (talk)

Graphs of F1 Results

Hello Falcadore, My AFL 2012 is graph is genius, and showed you at a glance that the B Lions languished at 13-14th on the ladder, telling you what kind of year they, and all other teams had - succintly and elegantly. I've had 2 Falcons (XP and XC) and one Commodore (VB) - maybe I'm a Falcadore too. And I too remember the Formula One broadcasts in 1984 - Channel 9 with Peter Wherett in the chair. In fact, I was tuned in when Senna challenged Prost at the rained out Monaco GP that year... somewhat before the race at Detroit. johntcp — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johntcp (talk • contribs) 04:05, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The graph was a solid tangled block of colour, the lines were too similar (and too thick for the surrounding space), would be completely unreadable to anyone who has any form of colour sensitivity (Geelong, North Melbourne and Freemantle are much too similar as are Brisbane/Adelaide and Hawthorn/Richmond - refer WP:COLOR - it is more important to have your linetypes distinct [both in colour and pattern] from each other than to make them match club colours) and was too tightly packed. A good graph should have enough blank white space that it does not look like a brick wall.
It looks good to you, but it is more important that it look good to everyone rather than just those who are familiar with club colours, and can see the difference anyway. --Falcadore (talk) 10:17, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't actually deny reading the B Lions line on my graph ... I think you did, and instantly got why these graphs are good. Johntcp (talk) 01:40, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Umm, I don't know how you read that into what I said, so I'll give you the highlights version. The presentation of this chart as an example is borderline unreadable (and for those who are colourblind it is very much unreadable), primarily because of the insistence of using club colours. The existence of clash jerseys should tell you why it is a bad idea. --Falcadore (talk) 20:59, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Falcadore. You still haven't denied reading the Brisbane line on my graph, without needing a key, and instantly getting an overview of the season they had last year. Johntcp (talk) 10:27, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Whether I can read it or not complete ignores the problem. And as a Brisbane Lions member I know how the season went, I personally don't need a tool like that. We don't write wikipedia articles for people who know all about football, we write for those who know next-to-nothing. --Falcadore (talk) 15:17, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Falcadore. I have to admit you bring some powerful arguments. Good luck with the F1 2013 wiki. P.S. I put graph of the count on the 2013 Brownlow wiki - genius. Johntcp (talk) 10:11, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Blanking pages

Please don't remove all content from a page, leaving it blank, as you did at New Zealand Porsche GT3 Cup Challenge (with a few exceptions, such as pages in your own userspace). If you believe that the entire contents of a page should be removed, then you can nominate it for deletion in one or other of the accepted ways, in this case by taking it to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:40, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The suggested redirect was a bad one, being not related to the topic except obliquely and no alternative was available. --Falcadore (talk) 23:38, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I understood why you think it's a bad redirect, I was just explaining that blanking the page is not the way to get rid of it. If you knew of a better page for the redirect to point to, then you could retarget it, but since you don't then taking it to RfD is the way to suggest deletion. JamesBWatson (talk) 18:35, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
True, although restoring a bad link is not great idea either. --Falcadore (talk) 18:44, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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1988 Goodyear NASCAR 500

The race was a NASCAR Winston Cup exhibition race, not an AUSCAR race. Toa Nidhiki05 03:35, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say it was an AUSCAR race, I said it was an AUSCAR sanctioned race. Bob Jane's AUSCAR body sanctions a wide variety of events including circuit racing and drag racing at Calder. Certainly many NASCAR competitors were present but NASCAR of the 1980s always kept a long arms length distance from the folks at Calder. --Falcadore (talk) 06:37, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Alright. Toa Nidhiki05 15:00, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ford XC Falcon

Is there a way to make reference to the 1977 Bathurst? Perhaps Moffet and Bond raced a modified version of the Hardtop in the Bathurst 1000? Because while not a factory team, Ford still homologated parts for use by race teams.Space alligator (talk) 08:40, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, what's the link from the XC Falcon to the Bathurst winning car? --Falcadore (talk) 08:58, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In September 1977, Ford supplied CAMS with the Evolution package, it was successfully homologated and allowed to be raced. It was in this spec that Bond and Moffat drove the Hardtop to victory. No different to say, the Nissan GT-R page where vastly modified versions (more so then group c) of the GT-R have raced.Space alligator (talk) 10:20, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have in fact found evidence supporting the Factory involvement of the Moffat/Bond Finish. Ford had backed the Moffat Ford Dealers cars for the 1977 ATCC season, and it was under Ford's instructions that Moffat and Bond race in separate cars for that years Bathurst.Unique Cars: Bathurst legends: Ford XC Falcon HardtopSpace alligator (talk) 11:12, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Factory supported, but not a factory team. A factory team is one that operates right out of the factory like the original Ford Works team of the 1960s. Hence the name factory team. Holden Dealer Team was not a factory team anymore than the Holden Racing Team, Ford Performance Racing or Glenn Seton's Ford Credit Racing. If you sub contract the operation out to Allan Moffat Racing it doesn't matter if they give it the fancy Moffat Ford Dealers name, that don't make it a factory team.
Moffat's 1977 team got back door parts and homologation support that many Ford racing team got over the decades, some more than others.
But team orders and parts don't mean a thing. What is the connection from the Ford XC Falcon (not Ford the factory) to the racing car? And why is it so important to put it in the article lead which acts as a summary of the rest of the article and should only have the most important aspects of the topic? Why is the Bathurst victory one of THE most important facts about the XC Falcon, which primarily is supposed to be a passenger car first and foremost, not a racing car, like say the original Ford GT40? --Falcadore (talk) 12:00, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The article has already be rectified, with relevant information moved into a "motorsport" section, rather then the lead article.Space alligator (talk) 09:16, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Bob Forbes Motorsport

Don't the records show that the Bob Forbes team GIO Racing) ran VP Commodores for both Neil Crompton and Mark Gibbs in 1993? If not then the 1993 Australian Touring Car Championship page is also incorrectHoldenV8 (talk) 09:12, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

From what I know, Bob Forbes ran one car for the more 'media friendly' Crompton, but Gibbs ran a second GIO VP Commodore in the final round of the 1993 ATCC at Oran Park.HoldenV8 (talk) 09:17, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite, no. The team was more than happy for Gibbs to stay on, he'd been with them ever since 1989 and gotten all the team's could results. Gibbs would have stayed on in 1993 but he decided to retire from racing because his business interests demanded more time. Crompton was a natural replacement after his season with Advantage Racing came to a premature halt when Brock decided they couldn't run two cars anymore and had joined the team for the 1992 enduros after Rohan Onslow had also decided to concentrate on his business interests (as a gunsmith and a descendant of the famous Macarthur family of colonial days.
They completed the second car just in time from the Oran Park ATCC finale and the existing #7 was renumbered #4. Crompton raced the new car at Oran Park and Gibbs in his first drive of the year drove the #4. The #4 was almost immediately sold to SA privateer Stuart McColl who had been running a fuel-injected VL as #44. The team only raced the new car at the Sandown 500, and McColl's team did not repaint before Bathurst. McColl's team ran out of the same garage as the Forbes team at Bathurst as sort-of team mates then McColl raced in the same manner alongside Crompton at the Adelaide Grand Prix meeting. In 1994 McColl's team was now completed seperate after the change of ownership and another new car was built as the new #4 for Wayne Gardner. --Falcadore (talk) 09:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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V8 Supercar round results

Hi, Falcadore! How are you doing? I'm not sure if Whincup has 38, 39 or 40 round wins in V8 Supercars, and I have no information on round podiums. Do you have a reliable website with that information? Thanks! --NaBUru38 (talk) 19:47, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The person with the IP address 78.149.230.252

Hello, I see that you are active on international motorsports pages, and I would like to let you know that there is someone who has been cluttering up a number of Grand Prix pages and has been doing this on a consistent basis. Of course when this person strikes again he will be using a different ip address but I'm just letting you know about this specific person and advise you and everyone else to stay alert. --Hmdwgf (talk) 05:33, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I only just took all the (Year stuff) out of the headers on the basis that the text should carry the years rather than the heading. It is not the function of the headers to tell the story. Look at Belgian Grand Prix, I changed them deliberately because they are closer to sentences than headings. Would you really put chapter titles that long in a book?
You should see what the chapter headings at the Belgian Grand Prix article, ridiculously over-long. --Falcadore (talk) 09:45, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If necessary and appropriate, I would put long titles in a book if those long titles needed to be there. The initial problem is that some fool is putting very long titles close together in hap-hazarded attempts to organize the pages better, resulting in you, me and others having to fix those pages. I think you and I will both agree that those actions make the pages look bad. Since you seem to be active here in the international motorsports pages, I'm just letting you know about this trouble-maker- this is not the first time he has done these things- particularly to the Belgian and Brazilian Grand Prix pages. You know your way around here better than I do- I don't know who to actually report these problems to. --Hmdwgf (talk) 21:16, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Formula E teams

I don't understand why you deleted all the images and information about the Formula E teams without going on a talk page and start discussing what you want to do not just go and do it anyway when a lot of editors including me put their very time into making those articles could you explain yourself. Speedy Question Mark (talk) 18:22, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I made it very clear it the edit summaries, so I don't know how you can claim that you don't understand.
It is not wikipedia practice to create seperate article for existing teams competing in different formulae. You don't creat a seperate article for Andretti Autosport, you expand the existing Andretti Autosport article. Incredibly simple to understand. --Falcadore (talk) 03:37, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ATCC Records article

Do you have any ideas on what to use for references on this page? Since V8 Supercars removed the section on their website with all the records I can't think of another reliable source with such information. I do keep this page of records for my own personal use but I don't see it as an acceptable source. KytabuTalk 07:12, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Have to have a think about that. Using an archived version of the official v8 supercar site is a possibility.
Some good stuff in that page. --Falcadore (talk) 07:54, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

F1

It's not a case of ignoring you. You've probably made the best argument for your position out of everyone. I don't know how many people will go for the alphabetical idea, I just see it as the fastest way to reach a conclusion, hopefully not upsetting too many people along the way. I aim to have little or nothing to do with the 2014 season on Wikipedia, I just hoped to help out a bit. If not enough people go for it, I'll back off. I noticed you avoided the edit-warring. It might have been better if the warriors had been blocked... All the best, Bretonbanquet (talk) 01:06, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Advice

Just a friendly note of advice to you. I've noticed that you have warned some users for breaking WP:3RR after they made three reverts recently. This is no entirely correct however. The WP:3RR states that no user should make more than three reverts within the space of 24 hours. That means that one breaks 3RR once one has made at least four reverts within 24 hours. So the correct procedure to deal with such a situation is warn after 3 reverts and report if more reverts follow. Of course one does not have to break WP:3RR to be involved in an edit war an you can issue Edit War warnings if you feel it is justified. Hope I clarified this a bit for you. Tvx1 (talk) 22:15, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's why it was a WARNING, and not an actual report. --Falcadore (talk) 05:51, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but in your warnings you claimed that they were already in breach of WP:3RR by making three reverts, which is incorrect. That's why I decided to give you this friendly advice. Tvx1 (talk) 16:16, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Compromise

Yes, I saw it, and it's a fair compromise. I wasn't really referring to you at all when I said editors aren't willing to compromise, I should've clarified that. I've certainly lost patience with a number of those editors though, I must say. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:05, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not at all. nothing to apologise for :) Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:35, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Formula One race edits songs

Please comment on my latest posts to the talk page on the deletion of List of Formula One race edits songs article. Thanks. WesleyBranton (talk) 03:24, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I did. --Falcadore (talk) 03:25, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the page again WesleyBranton (talk) 03:31, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I did. --Falcadore (talk) 03:35, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You know what to do... check the page again :) WesleyBranton (talk) 03:53, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The purpose of the See Also section are for links of associated pages that carry additional information. There is NO additional information to the Formula One season pages carried in that list. --Falcadore (talk) 06:15, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

RE: WesleyBranton

These are not just songs that someone used in a video, they are songs that the official Formula One website has used.
These are basically the themes songs for each track for that season. The songs are not only used in the Official Race Edits, but is also played during the television broadcasts and radio broadcasts.

Also, this information cannot be found on any websites.
Not even the Formula One credits artists and songs.
This is the only place on the web that this information can be found.
That is why it is important that we keep this information somewhere on Wikipedia. Otherwise this information will be forever lost.

What we are trying to keep this information alive. That is what we are trying to achieve.

WesleyBranton (talk) 14:50, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Except these videos are trivial. It has just as much relevancy as the songs NASCAR on Fox uses, along with NASCAR on TNT when they play ACDC's TNT every race. Additionally, there are other wikis that this info could be placed; there's a reason why Wikia exists. Finally, if you're so insistent on keeping the page, you could ask an administrator to userfy the article for you. ZappaOMati 16:42, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That the information is not kept on any other website should be a message to you that no-one else in the world considers the information important. --Falcadore (talk) 23:12, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

RE: WesleyBranton

I tried Wikia but it was removed there.
What is with all of you Wikipedia like places.

Your all the same!
WesleyBranton (talk) 17:11, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Figured it out, I didn't have the keep me logged in button checked. And to answer your question, they don't affect the race results but do affect the popularity and the media coverages of the races and sport as a whole. WesleyBranton (talk) 23:13, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tunis Grand Prix

I did not change the country info on the concerned articles to Tunisia but to the French protectorate of Tunisia, which was the state during that period, along with the flag in use a that time and not the current flag of Tunisia. Please read the related articles before reverting another user's good faith edits. The situation was much more complicate than you pretend and the French protectorate of Tunisia was more than simply a part of France. Most importantly, the flag of France was never, ever the official flag of that state and displaying the French flag is conveying incorrect information an thus outright wrong. The only correct information is showing the location's flag in use at that time. Tvx1 (talk) 16:52, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not saying that Tunisia was not a part a France at all. I tried to point out to you that the situation is much more complicate than you pretend it to be, but you chose to ignore that. Please do another user the basic courtesy of doing some research before criticizing that user's good faith contributions. I would like to draw your attention to the following passage from the article on the French protectorate of Tunisia:
As a protectorate, Tunisia's status was different, at least on paper, from that of Algeria. The Bey remained in office, and Tunisia was deemed nominally independent; existing treaties with other states continued in force. Yet the powers of the French Resident-General were great: he was prime minister, comptroller of the country's finances and commander of its armed forces. "The energetic Resident appointed in 1882, Paul Cambon, soon curbed the considerable prerogatives of foreign consuls, reduced the bey's government to a rubber stamp for French decisions," and brought in enough French administrators to reorganize the justice and finance systems. "France for all practical purposes ruled the country as another colony."
In essence this means that it was an "independent" country ruled by France. As result of that it had its own national symbols. As to the Olympic situation I don't know the exact explanation, but the Olympics have had more similar Olympic only situations and we can't continue this analogy to all the articles, especially some which deal with sports that aren't even Olympic. Lastly, this is not by any means continuance of previous flag related behavior. It it were, I would have suggested Tunis Grand Prix. The Project's preference is to use the flag of the actual location state and not of the entity named after and I acknowledged that and changed it to the flag of the Protectorate instead. My biggest issue with displaying the flag of France is that that flag of France was never used in the Protectorate by any means. Therefore displaying that flag is outright wrong. If you would bother to read the article for the French Protectorate and the one on the flags of Tunisia you would realize that. Tvx1 (talk) 23:57, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Race to the Sky

Hi Falcadore. I dabbed Race to the Sky because I just created Montana Race to the Sky, which is a major dog sled race in the United States, a prep for the Iditarod. The hillclimb race in New Zealand is now defunct, and so I moved it to Silverstone Race to the Sky. The New Zealand version of Race to the Sky had about 20 links to it, at least 1/3 of those talk archives, so I was Bold and moved it, trying to be a good person and fix every current article under "what links here" to the new name. I figured that it wasn't worth a WP:PRIMARY fight over which "race to the sky" was the "first" or major one (though, that said, note this) and so just named both of them with their geographic location. Hope that didn't cause problems elsewhere? I'll gladly try to clean up any messes I may have inadvertently left behind.  ;-) Montanabw(talk) 04:25, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, first off, "Montana Race to the Sky" has the same issue; it's also just called "Race to the Sky." (see here). We can do one of two things: Come up with a better disambiguation title that can be consistently applied to both (i.e. Race to the Sky (New Zealand) and Race to the Sky (Montana) ) or, we can have a discussion over whether the active Montana race, ongoing since 1986, is WP:PRIMARY and then the defunct road race can be renamed whatever dab or unique name anyone who follows that article wants it to be named. BTW, we can keep this discussion complete over here if you want; I've watchlisted your page for now. I'm glad to figure out a way to amicably resolve this issue, but I also want to put the Montana race up for DYK and have four days to do it, so sooner the better. Montanabw(talk) 18:23, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What was that moving stuff all about? --Falcadore (talk) 00:13, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, but Silverstone Race to the Sky isn't the proper name of the event. It was a short-lived sponsored identity for the race which is generally not used for motorsport event titles (outside of NASCAR). For example Australian Grand Prix is not called Qantas Australian Grand Prix is it? --Falcadore (talk) 05:51, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
I have no qualms with Race to the Sky (New Zealand/Montana) although a description of the event would be better I feel, Race to the Sky (hillclimb) for the NZ event, Race to the Sky (sled race [am unsure of correct terminology]). No idea how big the Montana race is, although as you've mentioned it's a qualifier for the Iditerod (sp) I would assume it would be of similar value to the qualifying races for the Hawaii Iron Man triathalon? --Falcadore (talk) 19:13, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I brought the whole conversation over here to keep it together (above). I took a look at WP:NCDAB and it looks like you are correct that it's good to avoid proper nouns when possible. I was looking at List of sled dog races and Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race, and I suppose [{Race to the Sky (sled dog race)]] would work. I think a bot will fix the double-redirects if you want to move the hillclimb one, otherwise, I can re-fix the links. Montanabw(talk) 19:28, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

You certainly didn't do anything but hamper when I was trying to fix the mess with Sirotkin. Maybe your goal is just to muck things up. There should be less bickering and more productivity, but it never seems to work out. Some people don't like progress or people that want progress.GeoJoe1000 (talk) 01:55, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Your edit to 2014 Malaysian Grand Prix

Hi Falcadore. FYI, I pointed out to Vegaswikian that you reverted his/her category change to 2014 Malaysian Grand Prix, with an explanation of why (i.e. that we don't maintain "YYYY in Malaysian motorsport" categories, because they would each contain only one article), and asked him/her whether he/she is happy for Category:2014 in Malaysian motorsport to be deleted. I thought it made sense to ask directly, rather than possibly go through another cycle of having the category deleted and then undeleted. Hope that was OK. DH85868993 (talk) 06:37, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Since I wrote the above, it has occurred to me that there are other articles which could go in "YYYY in Malaysian motorsport" categories (e.g. the "YYYY Malaysian motorcycle Grand Prix" articles, plus numerous others in recent seasons), so I have created the full series of "YYYY in Malaysian motorsport" categories and re-catted 2014 Malaysian Grand Prix accordingly. DH85868993 (talk) 04:43, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Australian GP 2014

Hi, I see you reverted my edit to Australian GP 2014 page, where I added a link to f1scope page. The comment says "spam". I was wondering why is it a spam ? This is a page where you can visualize GP laptimes and analyse them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Misw74 (talk • contribs) 07:59, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

F1scope.com provides dynamic and visual reconstruction of Formula 1 Grand Prix. The article itself describes the GP, F1Scope provides interesting complementary information. It allows to play it, observe changing lap times and track positions or see the complete GP timeline. That's why I belive that the link to the GP on f1scope.com is useful and belongs as an external link under the wikipedia article.

I'm still working on it and uploaded new version with more help on it. I hope it is more clear now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Misw74 (talk • contribs) 14:07, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Edit tags..

HI, thanks for the heads up. I'll try to be more precise in tagging edits. Let me know if you see anything I could be doing better... MotorOilStains (talk) 22:53, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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West German sport by year

Please see Category:1989 in West German sport for the category with a navbox and a parent category. Hugo999 (talk) 05:31, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Nomination of List of 2007 national Grands Prix for deletion

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hey back off

hey back off
hey why don't you just back off i know all the sponsers as i have been around the ATCC/V8 Supercar Series for a long time as a spectator and i know what cars the drivers were in and the numbers and the sponsers so don't give me that crap of me not knowing Therock9998 (talk) 00:55, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Help wanted

Hi, could you please help me, I want to update the Speedway league table at 2011 Speedway Premier League from the completly out of table that exists to this http://www.speedwaygb.co/extras/tables/tables.php?65. Cheers. Lukejordan02 (talk) 10:20, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

prod - removed

Hi I removed the prod you added to four articles of the same design like Greece at the team sports international competitions in addition these articles have had prior discussion about whether they should exist, as such they arent appropriate for being listed for deletion use the prod tag, please create an AFD which includes all four articles so they can be discussed and treated as one. Gnangarra 08:14, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sport in Melbourne

Hi Falcadore. Regarding this edit: is it your intention to de-populate Category:Sport in Melbourne? If not, I'm unsure what the difference is between the 2010 ANZAC Test and, say, the 2001 IAAF Grand Prix Final or the 2012 Australian Baseball League All-Star Game, which are almost certainly less notable than the opening of the Melbourne Rectangular Stadium. Cheers.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 09:29, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Toyota Team Australia

With respect, I don't think you have mentioned this before. The article was set up as Team Toyota Australia by me. On further investigation, it should have been done as Toyota Team Australia. I will rename and amend relevant wikilinks. V7867 (talk) 04:46, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Australian motorsport vehicles

There is a discussion at WikiProject Motorsport you may or may not have an opinion on. V7867 (talk) 17:38, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

bgcolor incompatibility

Can you point me at the discussion please? Thanks. Btljs (talk) 11:06, 16 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So was the upshot that every table in WP should be changed, or is this an issue that only applies to F1? Btljs (talk) 11:11, 16 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just curious, because I can't find anything anywhere being discussed and I would have thought something as basic as this would be a major topic unless its specific to the colours used in F1 tables. It needs a bot presumably. Btljs (talk) 11:17, 16 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) I have provided links to the discussions at Btljs's talk page. DH85868993 (talk) 12:40, 16 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2012 World Orienteering Championships

Please read WP:BEFORE. Bearian (talk) 17:12, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: V8 infobox

I thought that it may be confusing for someone unfamiliar with the series to have round starts, round wins, round podium finishes and race wins all together. Seeing as the series currently focuses on individual races, I thought it best to change the infobox to reflect this by having stats for individual races, not for rounds/events. KytabuTalk 10:22, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think that they refer equally to round and race starts now. During this season they have mentioned Tander's 500th race, Holdsworth's 300th and the Kelly's 400th/450th. On the website it says Mostert won in his 19th start, not his fifth. The event programmes from this year have race starts. KytabuTalk 22:35, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

With regards to

This edit, and the fact that IP reinstated their edit today (before I removed it); they pulled the exact same stunt on motorcycle racing last month, but with a different IP. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 18:44, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Brabham BT7

Hi Falcadore, Stumbled upon your edit on the BT7 page referring to the machine as a Repco Brabham. As I recall it Repco were an engine supplier and indeed Brabham used their engines to win WDCs in '66 & '67 whereas this particular machine used the Climax engine. I do have some vague recollection that Repco may have sponsored Brabham at some point but cannot be certain of this. Do you have any concrete information that would verify the name at all? Thanks. Regards, Eagleash (talk) 16:50, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hard to say really. If the position were reversed, would you accept that as strong enough evidence? I have no wish to create any sort of dispute over it so will take it on your say so. Thanks for responding. Regards, Eagleash (talk) 01:27, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) From Brabham: "During this period [the mid-60s] the cars were usually known as "Repco Brabhams", not because of the Repco engines used in Formula One between 1966 and 1968, but because of a smaller-scale sponsorship deal through which the Australian company had been providing parts to Jack Brabham since his Cooper days", citing page 53 of Alan Henry's Brabham, the Grand Prix Cars, as a reference. Also see this thread at Autosport's Nostalgia Forum. Hope this helps. DH85868993 (talk) 01:56, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, @DH85868993 Eagleash (talk) 02:47, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bathurst 12 Hour

So if the Eastern Creek 12 hour is part of the Bathurst 12 hour history why are the two 24 hours races shown in a separate article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.148.174.78 (talk) 07:19, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Because the 24 Hour was a completely different race. Different organisation and different types of cars.
A discussion has been opened at Talk:Bathurst 12 Hour for this. --Falcadore (talk) 07:24, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Patience!

In all seriousness however, I can't see anything that I would have done personally myself. Let's face it, the link to the 1995 race at Eastern Creek should be the only applicable link for that race – there is no point creating an article for the 12 hour race there, considering it was only a one-off. The only other equivalent for an Australian endurance race in the same sort of category – that being a race that was only held once – was that New Year race in Adelaide; which was moved from its 2000 Race of a Thousand Years article title via RM in 2011. You've engaged the IP to explain their case on the talk page. If they continue to revert, it would be on the radar for them to break 3RR

I have found a link from the National Motor Racing Museum in Bathurst which has the 1995 race as the Bathurst 12 Hour, rather than the Eastern Creek title that the page is currently listed at. Is there anything else in the Australian motorsport history books regarding the 12 Hour that incorporates the Eastern Creek race into the statistics, that you are aware of, which had been listed as such on the 12 Hour article? Craig(talk) 18:53, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of news stories in the last month explaining what the 12 Hour race is all mention the Eastern Creek race, I've included one such reference already. --Falcadore (talk) 05:19, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Must've missed that reference; apologies about that. Including the EC race in the roll of honour is the most appropriate step, as currently listed on the page. Craig(talk) 20:07, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Hey, Falcadore. Earlier today, I notified Laura Hale of a pending TfD deletion discussion regarding four navboxes she had created, as required by the standard TfD instructions. An hour or so later, you deleted that notice: [1]. I'm not sure why you would do this, but I assume you have a pretty good reason -- are you tending Laura's talk page during her wikibreak or something like that? In any event, I would be grateful if you would revert your deletion of the TfD notice and leave it for at least several days so I can show good-faith compliance with the TfD rules. Thanks for understanding. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:22, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have an excellent reason. It was an accident. Must have touched the "rollback" button without being aware of it. Fixed it. My apologies. --Falcadore (talk) 04:37, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
LOL Thanks, Falcadore. I've done that once or twice myself. Damn rollback button is good for nothing! Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:23, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Customer car

I don't know what you meant regarding "practice that is now banned from F1", so I can't correct the grammar :-) Mark Hurd (talk) 12:22, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

FYI I've just corrected the {{diff}} usage above that already worked fine when displayed using Popups, but when followed, the link showed the diff previous to the one intended. You obviously worked that out anyway :-) Mark Hurd (talk) 05:01, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Don't worry, I've worked it out based upon the indirect information at Formula One#Future Mark Hurd (talk) 12:37, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2014 Russian Grand Prix

Just as you predicted, there's edit warring.[2][3][4][5][6][7] Tvx1 22:40, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2015 F1 season

You don't seriously think that is really Prisonermonkeys socking there, do you? Tvx1 10:57, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. That's why I said so on his talk page. --Falcadore (talk) 11:00, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should report this to WP:ANI as an impersonation account. Tvx1 12:06, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. --Falcadore (talk) 14:35, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bitter

Wow, first time I stop by your page - quite a long list of authored and edited pages! About the Bitter, I can see where you are coming from. Having searched a bit more, Holden's involvement was just to sell the complete donor cars as they would to any buyer (supporting your position). However, surely the Vero ought to be listed as related to the Caprice? I don't understand its removal from Holden Caprice (WM)'s "Related" but agree with the removal from "Also called" list. CtrlXctrlV (talk) 09:02, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hrmmm... fair point. --Falcadore (talk) 09:29, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Question answered

It seems that I now better understand how and why you operate because while I see you doing it more often, everyone does it. It seems when needed, I'll just have to operate the same way. Acting aggressively and authoritarian is just how Wikipedia works, and it's better to accept that than change it, I suppose. I shouldn't have called you out for doing what it takes to manage the F1 Project. I just have to be louder and meaner if I want anything done when the time comes again. Sorry for the inconvenience. GeoJoe1000 (talk) 03:20, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

GeoJoe

I looked through your contributions and his contributions when the question was first put forward, and could not easily find anything that would stir things up, so I was just as confused as you probably are. With the recent run of sockpuppets and trolls around the project lately, I have no patience for people aiming to stir up trouble. With there being no provocation for the posting on the project, and the fact that this seems to have drawn others into the fray, this whole thing seems highly suspect. The fact that GeoJoe seems to not want to drop it makes me want to nip it in the bud even more. The359 (Talk) 07:52, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

See now this is the kind of stuff that has become my problem. I think I wanted to test the waters to see what kind of people I need to avoid. Thankfully, it seems you've much more helpful than others. From my perspective, the goal of your project is to alienate everyone who isn't already a long-time member, basically shoving them off as idiots with no ideas. I know it's not true, but that's how it feels, especially with the language you might use. When I see you going after someone who wanted to help (even if it wasn't going to work), I get frustrated because I know that you told me I was wrong when I wasn't. How many good ideas have been turned away? The system just seems authoritarian, and I often see your name come up in those types of interactions. GeoJoe1000 (talk) 12:41, 21 April 2015 (UTC) 12:41, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I remember fighting for test drivers... and then being happier when they were gone. Okay. Like I said, I feel like I'm understanding this more. I suppose one more thing that played into my decision to go after you was the fact that I usually see you deciding when consensus has been reached. If decisions are made through consensus, at what point can someone actually say there's a legitimate consensus? How can that be a decision for one person? GeoJoe1000 (talk) 13:21, 21 April 2015 (UTC) 13:21, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

When a subject has gone quiet for a few days I call for a summary. By then peoples tempers (there frequently are) have cooled. I prefer conclusions to leaving things hanging. Then it can be wrapped up and referred to later. Without that conclusion, things have a tendancy to fester. It's not always me whodoes this though. If I've been one of the most vocal in the discussion it is better that others do the wrapping up as some contributors will distrust the outcome.
This group has the appearance of a team but it's not formalised in any way shape or form. Sometimes The359 starts the summing up, some times its Bretonbanquet, sometimes its Prisonermonkeys (although he's being regularly attacked these days) and increasingly Tvx1 is also making these calls.
Some topics come up frequently - flags is one that comes up a lot - if we have wrapped up conclusions we can point to it when new editors come in and say, look we discussed this to death two years ago and everything you are saying now was covered then. It can come across as authoritarian I grant, but what is the alternative, to re-hash the same arguements over and over again?
When editors bring new ideas in it gets discussed. When they aren't new they are refered to previous discussion.
Because editors are frequently very personal involved with their ideas (I'm guilty of this too) often they don't like to let it go.
The biggest problems are always with teenagers. We were all teeneagers once. Teenagers are fundamentally selfish and they come out of that phase at different ages, which is one of the beauties of the anonymity of the internet, no-one judges by age, sex or nationality because we don't know. Even amongst editors who have been working here for years. It isn't knowledge I persue, nor is it (so far as I am aware) that of most others.
By teenagers I mean immature by the way. Guess that was judging by age, if only by terminology. But the immature will frequently argue well beyond the point where a decision has been finalised. There are numerous examples if you need to be pointed to any. Wikipedia itself is conscious of this, which is why the actual staff have wikipedia have specific policies set up for stuff like begging for content to be preserved (WP:MERCY) and It doesn't do any harm/doesn't hurt anyone (WP:NOHARM). If it comes off as authoritarian, then sometimes it can also be because some editors just refuse to work with others. Sadly we get more of those than than consensus builders. --Falcadore (talk) 13:51, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And of course, if a consensus is not that clear or if too many are involved we post a Request for Closure and an involved user (often an administrator) will read the entire discussion, weigh up the arguments and assess the discussion. These types of consensi are easily identified because they will be wrapped with a blue frame with a closing rationale on top. Tvx1 17:05, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not abuse of color

Regarding the issue of livery colors int he qualifying tables in the IndyCar series race articles, I have indeed read the WP on Color and this was and is not "abuse". And to answer the salient point/question yes, the livery colors are there to convey the color of cars in a race in the quaffing tables (but not on the race results table). Again I have read the Colors WP and this is not violation of it since it does in fact convey useful information and does not prevent color blind people from reading the numbers, particularly sine the car/driver numbers are repeated int he race results table. So I will be doing re-adding the colors again because your opinion is not the arbiter of the applicability of livery colors (which have been used in many previous articles on races). Lestatdelc (talk) 22:41, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just to let you know, there are still livery colors in the 2015 Indianapolis 500 article. Tvx1 21:37, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that all the Indy 500 articles from 2005-present are filled with these coloured numbers. Tvx1 10:37, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

CLM P1/01

That would explain why I suddenly had two people linking CLM P1/01 to Lotus T128 out of the blue. Kodewa initially claimed the LMP1 car, called T129, would be based on the T128, but when the car actually showed up as the CLM P1/01 that was proven otherwise. It has been corrected. The359 (Talk) 16:49, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Safety cars

They go back to the 1993 season from what I could tell, maybe even the 1992 when it was tested out for a whole TWO Grands Prix. If I remember correctly, there was a heavy concensus against having repeated mentionings of what model the safety car was for each season, but somehow it was added anyway/never removed. Twirlypen (talk) 10:33, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Redesigned event infobox for V8SC

What do you think of this style for the infobox of V8 Supercar events? I've based it on the F1 version and think it is a better summary of the event than the current infobox. KytabuTalk 10:28, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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XC Fairmont GXL page

I've just noticed that you merged the "XC Fairmont GXL" page into the "Ford Falcon (XC)" article. Thanks for doing that. GTHO (talk) 23:11, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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2012 Australia national soccer team season‎

Why change the name of this article? It contains no season review - only statistics. Add some prose then move it. --Falcadore (talk) 12:32, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Falcadore. I would say that whoever set these pages up initially, did so with the primary intention to catalogue the results and match details of the Australian National Football/Soccer teams results by year. (As confirmed at the bottom of the page where it says "season results for Australian national soccer teams".) Additionally the pages include statistics. The page was originally called 2012 Australia national soccer team season, it makes no reference to it being a season 'review'. So by changing the name to 2012 Australia national soccer team statistics doesn't actually make it any more or less accurate, it just makes it inconsistent with the rest of the annual result pages. So I would think that either the page is reverted back to what is was for consistency, or you go to the trouble of changing every year. I do think the pages could do with a bit more text but that will take some time to work through them all. Umarghdunno (talk) 08:45, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Australian Vehicle Generation / Series

Hi, OSX is in the practice of deleting unfavourable and undesiderable comments about his actions on his Talk Page... fair enough. But, as a consequence, I paste here my deleted comment (with subsequent edits), which might directly interest you:

Falcadore, I read your comments here with interest and surprise. OSX has tried to pass this "general convention" as gospel - in some cases, compromising the consistency in which vehicle generations are stated in prose. I cannot recall which articles, but I came across a situation where, in one article we had CAR (SERIES) MODEL BODY (e.g. "COMMODORE (VF) SS sedan") and in others CAR MODEL (SERIES) BODY (e.g. "FALCON XR8 (FG) sedan")... it might have actually been something like "MAGNA (TM) SE sedan" vs "MAGNA SE sedan (TM)"... which does read silly. When I queried this with OSX, it was obvious that this is just his preference. I did not dispute it because I had no idea the position reached was just about the TITLE of articles. Is this worthy of a new broader discussion? I think going against what is the practice in the Australian automotive media (i.e. SERIES CAR MODEL, like "TM MAGNA SE") for each Wiki article on Australian cars is very questionable and OSX's position obnoxious. CtrlXctrlV (talk) 14:18, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, CtrlXctrlV (talk) 14:53, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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British F3

On the British Formula Three articles, it's worth pointing out that many of the older articles cover multiple championships and non-championship races (example), similar to the F1 season pages. I'm not sure if we should be moving the more modern articles that only cover one championship, or whether it would be better to keep those articles in the British Formula Three season format to keep a consistent format. QueenCake (talk) 23:12, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Later articles don't include multiple championships, even though they continued. The difference needs to acknowledged. --Falcadore (talk) 00:15, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lap record

Hello. I saw discussion form talk of Melbourne Grand Prix Circuit article were you told lap record is racing lap. I come hear to ask you why. In my opinion there are better times from qualification. And what about pre-seasson tests? Eurohunter (talk) 13:35, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for answer. So what do think to keep them both, lap record and fastest lap? Eurohunter (talk) 09:25, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism in F4-themed pages

Hi, Falcadore. I'm just witnessing live how an user called Andrusha01 is creating a season article on a championship called Las Américas F4. That article is completely unsourced: 2016 Las Americas Formula 4 Championships. Since I follow very closely all the Formula 4 activity and never heard of such a plan, I suspect the whole page is an act of vandalism. However, I'm not very skilled at all the Wikipedia deletion proposal system, and as I've seen you mediating on motorsport-themed articles, I'd like to ask you to check this out. Many thanks! Sjælefred Herm (talk) 19:59, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Soccer

I believe the term "soccer" originated in England. Anyway, the point I was making is that "soccer"/"association football" refers to the modern code, which began in 1863. It's misleading to say that an impromptu game of football in Australia in the 1810s is connected to that modern code. (Also as far as I'm aware, the earliest documented game of football in Australia occurred in Sydney in 1829). There may have been superficial similarities, but it's still not "soccer"/"association football". "Association football was the first football" It's not the first major code because Australian rules football was codified in 1859, nor is it the first code in England. Several English public schools had written laws for football in the couple of decades prior. And of course, football in its generic sense extends back millennia throughout the world. - HappyWaldo (talk) 05:11, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tweaked track record at Anderstorp

Sir,I made changes in that page.For times I made table for Qualifying and in race lap records separately with suitable title.Please discuss it on my talk page if you have any problems with my edit and before reverting,also most of the race track page have lap record section which includes in race lap and qualifying lap,so I don't know why this page shouldn't have one.ThanksAbc12345 03:44, 18 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AVP1234 (talk • contribs)

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Youngest F1 Champions tables in F1 Records Page

Howdy! Added links to external sources discussing the significance of these events when they hapenned. Real tlhingan (talk) 19:24, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

These tables tell us who is the youngest double-champion, youngest triple-champion. Real tlhingan (talk) 19:26, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Cayman GT4

Sorry for the mistake. Now it's fixed. In any case, please check it out. I'm not sure if I've put the right link. --62.173.162.187 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.173.162.187 (talk) 17:11, 6 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bathurst References

I didn't restored the references for McElrea Racing and Melbourne Performance because they didn't say explicitly that their cars were entered under another name in the 2017 Bathurst 12 Hour. --62.173.162.187 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.173.162.187 (talk) 13:06, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Check the other pages. The cars are entered under a specific name. Doesn't matter if the cars are entered by Melbourne Performance, they are entered under "Jamec Pem Racing". Check, for example, the 2017 IMSA Championship page. The two Action Express cars race with different names. --62.173.162.187 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.173.162.187 (talk) 12:47, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I know that what is written on Bathurst's page is more important than what's on other series' pages. But I think we have to adopt a standard mode to write the results. So, in my opinion, it's better to write the teams' names as they are in the official entry list. We already do this on every series' page.

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List of 2015 motorsport champions

Hello! Probably you are correct but what about "national or international auto racing series with a Championship decided by the points or positions earned by a driver from multiple races" which is mentioned on every list? Corvus tristis (talk) 10:45, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Triple Crown

The section title is "Active competitors", and he's actively competing for it. I can't say I know of any others, the fact he's missing a Grand Prix to compete in the Indy 500 is newsworthy. I see now in the history that I'm not the first to add it, nor are you the first to revert, so I'll leave well enough alone. TRS-80 (talk) 12:16, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

1983 Brazilian Grand Prix

You've twice now removed the Notes section from 1983 Brazilian Grand Prix, with the summary "trivia removed - no notes sections please - if it is important place it in the body of the race report". The Notes section is repeatedly referred to within the article, and is extremely necessary to explain the race results (the lack of a second place being awarded). I do not know enough of the race to write a complete report (as there currently is not one at all in the article), and simply removing the notes section without yourself writing a report is removing vital information from the article. The notes section and the information therein must remain until a full report is submitted --PratstercsTalk to me 14:28, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: I'd also like to add, there are numerous other race pages with Notes sections, with argubably less important content, for example 1982 Caesars Palace Grand Prix and 1982 Brazilian Grand Prix, thus is not specifically out of style for articles from races of this era --PratstercsTalk to me 14:39, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
All notes sections were originally called Trivia, which as you know by wikipedia practice is frowned upon as articles should be written without an emphasis on partially related text. Refer Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trivia sections. A few years back some edittors only capable of writing in trivia bullet points changed the name of Trivia to Notes. A cynical exercise that was immediately frowned upon and the Notes sections were pretty much all deleted.
The Notes section is repeatedly referred to within the article - there is no article! There are two sentences and four tables and none of them refer to the notes section. So please let's not be disingenuous.
If it was vital information it would not be a "note". That is the thrust of the exercise. And there is no policy anywhere in wikipedia saying data that is challenged must remain for any reason.
Also the fact that other races have these sections does not make them worthwhile, they've just escaped scrutiny. --Falcadore (talk) 14:43, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
From 1982 Brazilian Grand Prix:
Last race for Carlos Reutemann.
The first win in the Brazilian GP for Alain Prost, who recorded six wins in total in the Brazilian GP (1982, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1988 and 1990).
First and only points: Manfred Winkelhock.
All trivia and obviously so. --Falcadore (talk) 14:46, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I agree many of the notes could be considered trivia, and as such, individual points could be removed. The notes section is referred to in the infobox and in the race results table, and is required for the understanding of the race. In fact, I only found this article when it was posted elsewhere by someone looking for an explanation of the results, as the required information had been in the notes section which was removed. I only reverted this edit to add clarity. If you do not feel there is an article, then it could be deleted, no?
Without the notes section being present, could you please explain the lack of a second place being awarded in the race results? I do not argue that the article is in need of renovation, but simply removing this vital information is not the way forward, and certainly should not be the first and only step. --PratstercsTalk to me 15:18, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]


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you don't know anything about motorsport

you don't know anything about motorsport
you need to learn that as in sports sedans go if you were the one who made it go on youtube and you will see results from 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 Murdernova98 (talk) 01:12, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I see. Thanks for the answer, anyway. JSH-alive/talk/cont/mail 13:24, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(talk page watcher) I've fixed all the motorsport ones, noting that Category:1996–97 in IndyCar still remains in the tracking category, due to its nature. (I'm considering whether that category should be changed to Category:1997 in IndyCar. There are pros and cons). DH85868993 (talk) 21:43, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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José Fernández

Do you know José personally, Mark? Undo the move until you provide me a source or personal guarantee that states he wants it spelt that way, considering the accents are used everywhere else on Wiki. Same reasoning as went with Van Gisbergen's name change a few years ago. Holdenman05 (talk) 00:09, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Plenty of photos of his cars going about and none of the have accents. Don't be so dramatic. --Falcadore (talk) 05:38, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Driver names on car windows simply isn't a good enough excuse as accented names in this country are rare enough for a series to not think about acquiring accented characters. There are other examples too where accented characters aren't used where they should - Formula One timing screens and graphics don't use accented characters for Pérez, Räikkönen or Hülkenberg; FIA entry lists such as the ones found here do not use accented characters; etc. If you think that's 'dramatic', then I don't think you'll mind me reverting it - particularly considering that in this case no source = original research given your edit summary. Holdenman05 (talk) 06:52, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The way you are carrying on is the very definition of dramatic. All the passive agressive language.
And allow me to respond in kind - is there a single example of where Fernandez has used the accents? I know they say you can't draw a conclusion from the lack of evidence, but you completely lack any evidence he uses the accents at all. --Falcadore (talk) 13:28, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In the interest of fairness, I've emailed the man himself to get a direct answer - something I asked you to do, considering your position in the industry, and will again give you the opportunity to also do at jose@fernandezmotorsport.com. I will leave you his word-for-word response here when I get one - both in regard to spelling and preference, as spelling is the key here and all forms of the surname 'Fernández' that are Spanish-descended use the accents.
As for 'passive aggressive', "Treat others how you want to be treated". You play that game with me, I'm more than happy to play it back - you can't twist policy just because it doesn't fit your agenda. Holdenman05 (talk) 07:53, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You know, you tire me out. "Games" "agendas", what the hell is that supposed to mean? I don't care. I don't know you. Never met and unlikely to. What interests me is that Fernandez has never used these accents in his name across a wide variety of purposes in racing and in business. When you find an example where he does use the accents then by all means cite it and use it. Until then, follow wikipedia policy, where challenged, prove it or lose it. --Falcadore (talk) 09:06, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If I really wanted to, Fernandez and I do have mutual friends. If it is that important to you I could get in contact, but personally I think it is a stupid thing to put that much effort into when there is no supporting evidence. Is it really so important to you? The answer is almost certainly that he doesn't care either and he doesn't do it because nobody else does it, what is the point of the effort? Don't you think the fact that he's never e-mailed you back might be a big hint how little he cares about the subject? I'm not going to e-mail him for exactly the reasons you haven't received a reply. I haven't done it previously because it is so low on the list of priorities. --Falcadore (talk) 09:10, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It matters for the purpose of factual accuracy, which is part of the Wikipedia policy you spruik. Do you really think he's gonna reply to me on a weekend? As for the rest, it's your opinion and doesn't affect how I go about my business − all I will say is that I'm glad I don't know you personally and you've wasted quite enough of my time already. Holdenman05 (talk) 09:25, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
By your tone I assumed you'd written some time ago. You know what they say about "assume". --Falcadore (talk) 09:55, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have received a response from Mr Fernández, and is written as follows:

To Mr ------,
Thank you for your enquiry and your patience.
I personally have no preference as to which is used, however the technically correct version is José Fernández (with accents) due to my background.
I hope this helps settle your debate and look forward to doing business with you in the future :)
José Fernández

For the purposes of factual accuracy, I suggest you return the page to its' original state. Holdenman05 (talk) 01:19, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done and done. --Falcadore (talk) 08:52, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore I'm sorry for over reacting. --Falcadore (talk) 08:55, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I just noticed the redirect you created from Obermaier Racing to Courage Compétition. I'm a little confused on the reasoning behind this redirect, unless there is some bit of history I am missing here? What is the relation between Obermaier and Courage? The359 (Talk) 01:04, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

They have a history of running simultaneous Primagaz sponsorship at Le Mans. But that's the only similarity, and Obermaier always ran Porsche 956/962s, not Cougars. Obermaier also ran in Porsche one-make competitions and GT. They have never been connected apart from the Primagaz coincidence. --95.95.60.225 (talk) 11:09, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would add that Swiss Team Salamin also ran Primagaz sponsorship, but as far as I am aware there is no relation between these three teams, so this redirect really should not exist as there is no reasonable expectatin for someone researching Obermaier to be directed to Courage. The359 (Talk) 16:43, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I do not recall my reasoning beyond that similar redlinks may have already existed, most likely at the relevant Sportscar World Championship season articles. It would have been loosely connected to the creation of the Gebhardt Motorsport article which in turn came from work undergoing at Driver Database. Beyond that I have too many projects undergoing at the same time to recall specifics. COVID-19 shut in has sent me a little work bonkers. I won't argue any changes. --Falcadore (talk) 09:07, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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PONOS Racing

Your assistance would be appreciated at PONOS Racing - a user has created the article, a sponsorship identity like Supercheap Auto Racing, and insists on making the article misleadingly read like it's a team in its' own right and has used convoluted and promotional language throughout, but refuses to change it. 2001:8003:268E:A800:DD52:3678:1A61:B4C7 (talk) 22:37, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I get what you mean. But previous years in motorsport there is plenty of sponsorship that really owns the team like British American Racing which owned by British American Tobacco, Super Nova Racing is sponsored by Nova a Japanese company, and Leyton House Racing which a rebranded team from March by Leyton House a Japanese company. The team itself started sponsoring other teams and use PONOS Racing on their entry list, and now they have run independently. Also I did not write to mislead, and not intended using convoluted and promotional language which according to the person mention. I did not have the intention to promote and advertising as what is the point doing that, and I did not get money out of it. It is you feel like the page act like an advertisment. Thfeeder (talk) 01:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
PONOS should be written as Ponos unless it is an acronym. I don't think it is though. MOS:CAPS
Important question - does Ponos own or operate any of the branded Ponos cars or do the lease/sponsor other teams. It's a simple question. Sponsor or owner. --Falcadore (talk) 13:34, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Previously they act as a sponsor, but last 2 years from 2023 they run as their own team in F4, then Super GT. Thfeeder (talk) 14:35, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They don't run a car in Super GT. GAINER run the Super GT car. --Falcadore (talk) 15:14, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
GAINER did run for couple of rounds. I link up the article said Ponos Racing run independently.[1] Thfeeder (talk) 15:23, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ https://sportscar365.com/other-series/super-gt/upgarage-set-for-final-race-with-honda-nsx-gt3/

 

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