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Without a source, that does not matter. Right now, we only have the entry list to go by and that is considered the most reliable source. If you can provide an alternative source, we can deal with it then. 1.144.105.172 (talk) 03:21, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Rollback

Sorry about rolling back your edits, that was just me not being thorough. My apologies. Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 13:50, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A Thank You Note

Hi John, just writing here to thank you for your tireless work covering the 2019 IMSA WeatherTech Sportscar Championship, making it the most complete season of the WTSC ever to be covered. It's no easy task to do so, and I'm glad that you did it for the community. Cheers! TJSRX (talk) 12:25, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey, I noticed you added that the 1953 British Grand Prix was the first to be televised live with this revision, I was wondering if you can remember where you got that citation from as I can find sources mentioning both that and the 1953 Italian Grand Prix, thanks! FozzieHey (talk) 15:37, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there Just want to re-iterate my big appreciation for your work on the aforementioned IMSA sports car series. Really enjoy the clarity, timeliness and accuracy of the information. Always my go-to choice for a new season (along with the Andy Blackmore's Spotters' Guides) to be ready to hunker down and watch the big enduro races at the start of the season and beyond. Great work - keen to see (and read about) the big changes coming up in the 2021 season. Cheers, Philby NZ (talk) 23:23, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pre-Formula 1 Seasons' results

Hi John

Have a content question for you. After distracted by another project for a couple of months I got back to finishing the 1932 Grand Prix Season page satisfactorily. And that obviously, leads me to roll into the interesting part of the next season - tha data collection. I see there is a good section on there already giving a table of race results for the season that I can see value in extending retroactively to other seasons (information I already have accumulated). Question is, do you think there is value in adding the other race result information to Championship Years, to the right of the existing points column (i.e. excluding assigning points, just noting 1st/2nd/3rd etc) or otherwise, as a second table beneath? I was only intending on including the dozen (at most) major races of the season, so I don't beleive it would be any more cluttered than what we already on Wikipedia have for the results of the current Formula 1 World Championship seasons

Appreciate your thoughts cheers, Philby NZ (talk) 22:43, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi mate

Thanks for dropping me a reply with your considered opinion. Glad you think it may well offer some value and information. I hope these articles aren't getting too long and overloaded. In the future, when a bigger range of race-reports have been done then they could be trimmed down a lot to just summaries and links. As a nerd-project a few years back I recalculated the racing seasons to all use the standard Points System from the 80s-90s (the height of the Group C seasons) which of course gave interesting variations, so I've got a nominal order of precedence for most successful racers. Snellman & TeamDan have comprehensive race-results tables to work off.

I do appreciate your comment on paragraph overload. I have tried to use a double-space to separate major sections but others in the past have edited them back to single space & I'm tired of changing it. Maybe its a standard Wiki-format I'm unaware of. So the idea of subsection headings is a very good alternative. And yes, I've started some reading on 1933 and the shenanigans between Ferrari & Maserati. Then there's the Tripoli race "myth" that Snellman/Etzrodt have written a very good review of and the stories around it all. I was also surprised to read than Giovannini died suddenly in '33 and, sadly, wouldn't have led Alfa Corse if they had still been competing.

cheers, Philby NZ (talk) 04:29, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

1925 Grand Prix Season

Hi John

I am delighted that there are people out there wanting to extend knowledge and understanding of pre-War motor racing - I get fed up with people who seem to think Grands Prix only came into existence after WW2, with the introduction of Formula 1, so it's good to know there are people who care...!

I noticed that in the 1925 Grand Prix Season page - and possibly in others - you have added a table showing drivers' results (places 1-6) in the "major" races of the year, which seem to follow Etzrodt/Snellman's selection on kolumbus but remains (inevitably) a fairly subjective list nonetheless. Rather than just "undo" any of the changes, I thought I should raise 2 points on this that may be worth a discussion - (i) I just wonder whether there is any particular value to the new table, given that the races did not form a coherent championship or series of events (the World Manufacturers' Championship being separately tabled) and that the winners of all the year's "Grands Prix" are already listed in one table and the World Championship (at least as far as manufacturers go) in another?; and (particularly) (ii) what value does the highlighting of the driver leading at the end of the first lap really have?

On point (ii), I get that you are trying to find an equivalent to a merit-based pole position, but surely the person who started in the most favourable grid slot is the pole-sitter, irrespective of how that position was determined (1925 still being in the days of grid ballots)? I personally query the true value of identifying the pole-sitter in the days when the grid formation had little or no influence on the final outcome, several hours later, and was randomly generated; but it is still a matter of fact and is at least a consistent approach with the later events. Adding the leader at the end of lap one also potentially opens a whole can of worms for consistency across every race summarised on wikipedia...! I do question the value, since there are huge differences in the opportunity for the field to arrange itself in a more meritorious order, depending on the venue - Monaco and the Nurburgring, for example.

I wonder if @A7V2: has any thoughts on this subject?

Meanwhile, keep up the good work! Best wishes,

--JamesHT1967 (talk) 15:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@JamesHT1967 and Philby NZ:

(responding to both JamesHT's comment here, and Johannes275's on Philby's talk page) I had planned to mention this myself actually. I don't have a problem with these tables, they provide a nice summary of the major results, and I don't think having them even when there's no championship is a problem. I think so long as we go with the selections of some sources then this shouldn't be a problem. William Court's Power and Glory (for example) has similar choices of "major races" to Etzrodt/Snellman.

That said, I don't like having this highlighting drivers who lead the first lap. Apart from being borderline original research (certainly it's not a stat I've seen anywhere else before), I feel it places undue weight on something which, as JamesHT points out, is quite arbitrary, and leads to problems when other articles don't do it this way (and then what happens in the years where some races had "merit order", and others had a ballot?). I think pole should only be mentioned where starting positions were determined by practice times or similar, and I think where there is no pole, then there's no need for a substitute. As a side note, can we please try to keep this discussion in one place? A7V2 (talk) 05:50, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@JamesHT1967 and A7V2:

I don't mind discussing this here or over on a Motorsport page. personally, I'm ambivalent about the "leading on the first lap" option. Pole position was only calculated by practice time at Indianapolis and then French events in 1933 (incl. Monaco). The information of who was 1st-lap leader may only be gleaned for maybe 60% of races via Etzrodt/Snellman. Thereafter pole posiiton became far more commonplace Philby NZ (talk) 00:54, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Philby NZ and A7V2: There seem to me to be 2 fundamental questions here. First, although it has been noted elsewhere that pole position corresponds (at least in recent F1 generally, and particularly in certain races) to a higher statistical probability of victory (and hence an advantage), should the pole-sitter be shown in absolutely every case, whether or not there has been some form of contest to win the spot?

My personal view is that "pole advantage" (if any) is a relatively recent phenomenon, and that starting at the front actually conferred very little (if any) real advantage in pre-war races, which tended to be longer and with (for example) mechanical wear and unreliability having a much greater influence on the outcome than whether you happened to start in front of or behind a number of other competitors. The safety aspect, of avoiding having slower cars starting in front of quicker ones, was probably a more obvious/beneficial/desirable outcome originally of having a contest to determine the starting order. A possible approach would be to identify the pole-sitter ONLY where there had been a qualifying contest (and thus the position had been achieved by merit); and for those races where starting positions were allocated by ballot, have a standard rubric (e.g. "Pole Position: Not applicable (starting order determined by ballot)") and omit the identity of the competitor who had been randomly assigned the pole slot?

Second, I had immediate doubts about the "first lap leader" proposition, but the more I think about it, the less I like it! I think the Monaco v Nurburgring comparison is enough of a reason in itself, but I also agree that the likely lack of complete information would make it impossible to apply consistently.

Look forward to hearing your thoughts. JamesHT1967 (talk) 15:12, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@JamesHT1967, A7V2, and Philby NZ: I agree with what you are saying James, and in hindsight I regret suggesting the first lap idea. It's a very subjective metric without much information given to it and is very original research, not to mention completely brought down by differing track lengths. As you said, initial advantage doesn't really have much of any meaning in pre-war racing with so little reliability to make it through a full race. I would love to see other suggestions to potentially improve the results tables, however! It generally seems agreed upon that the results tables are fine additions, especially if they have been compiled by prior sources and thus don't constitute original research. Once again, thanks for the constructive criticism and points, James and A7V2. Looking forward to work together on making a great 1933 article Johannes275 (talk) 17:00, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@JamesHT1967, Johannes275, and Philby NZ: Sorry Johannes to keep cluttering up your talk page... I think it's good to come up with ideas to improve readership of early motorsport articles, and thank you all for your contributions (hopefully I can get on with it a bit more now myself as I've been very busy IRL). In answer to Philby's question (well, not really a question!), perhaps we should revive Wikipedia:WikiProject Motorsport/History of Motorsport and have a scope, initially at least, of pre WW2 Grand Prix racing and similar? A7V2 (talk) 09:25, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ranking of Maxime Vachier-Lagrave

Hi –– in this edit you entered the ranking of Maxime Vachier-Lagrave as No. 10 for April 2021. His ranking for April was in fact No. 15; see here (and the ranking for the two adjacent months wasn't No. 10, either). I've updated the ranking, so it's no longer relevant, but I wanted to let you know in case you were using an unreliable source. Joriki (talk) 21:05, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

SC365

I couldn't help but notice this summary in my watchlist. Was there a discussion on John Dagys Media that I missed? I know he has a tendency to report things that end up not being true so if there's a consensus building to include them on WP:RSP, I'm all ears. GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 17:37, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi John, exciting to see the new IMSA season underway. We have another co-inciding holiday weekend here in NZ so I can watch the Daytona race live right now. if you wanted to chat offline about that and other IMSA news, catch me at philby at outlook.co.nz Philby NZ (talk) 23:49, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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