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Hi GhostOfDanGurney :) I'm looking for experienced editors to interview here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240625214600","author":"Clovermoss","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Clovermoss-20240625214600-Editor_experience_invitation","replies":[],"displayName":"Clovermoss\ud83c\udf40"}}-->

Hi GhostOfDanGurney! I was wondering if we should merge the defunct Dover 400 into the Würth 400, as you usually do that with defunct races, like Michigan, Pocono, and Loudon. 45BearsFan (talk) 22:31, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240815223100","author":"45BearsFan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-45BearsFan-20240815223100-Potential_merge_of_Dover_400_to_W\u00fcrth_400?","replies":["c-GhostOfDanGurney-20240817010200-45BearsFan-20240815223100","c-GhostOfDanGurney-20240819045800-45BearsFan-20240815223100"]}}-->

Hi, @45BearsFan:

It's probably a good idea. Can you do it yourself, or were you wanting help? ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  01:02, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240817010200","author":"GhostOfDanGurney","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GhostOfDanGurney-20240817010200-45BearsFan-20240815223100","replies":["c-45BearsFan-20240817010400-GhostOfDanGurney-20240817010200"]}}-->

I'd love to do it myself but I don't know how. Can you possibly show me? 45BearsFan (talk) 01:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240817010400","author":"45BearsFan","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-45BearsFan-20240817010400-GhostOfDanGurney-20240817010200","replies":["c-45BearsFan-20240817011000-45BearsFan-20240817010400","c-GhostOfDanGurney-20240817011700-45BearsFan-20240817010400"]}}-->

@GhostOfDanGurney Do you just blank the page and add the redirect to the würth 400?? 45BearsFan (talk) 01:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240817011000","author":"45BearsFan","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-45BearsFan-20240817011000-45BearsFan-20240817010400","replies":[]}}-->

@45BearsFan: I have Sunday off of work so I can do it then, after which I can debrief the process with you; the instructions are at WP:MERGE (I recommend reading the whole page, but the specifics of the actual merge process are at WP:MERGETEXT).

What you described just now isn't a merge per se, but what's known as a "BLAR" (BLank-And-Redirect). That would be what you do if we didn't want to keep the content of Dover 400, but in this case we do, so basically, we'd have to cut-and-paste what we want from there into Würth 400 (with attribution).

It's nothing too urgent right now, so hold on until Sunday and I'll go through it with you. :) ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  01:17, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240817011700","author":"GhostOfDanGurney","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-GhostOfDanGurney-20240817011700-45BearsFan-20240817010400","replies":["c-45BearsFan-20240817012500-GhostOfDanGurney-20240817011700"]}}-->

Thank you!! (for both teaching me, in case a race were to lose a date, and for merging both Drydene 400 and Würth 400. I appriciate it!) 45BearsFan (talk) 01:25, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240817012500","author":"45BearsFan","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-45BearsFan-20240817012500-GhostOfDanGurney-20240817011700","replies":[]}}-->

@45BearsFan: I've done the merge.

• Step 1 was to copy and paste what I wanted to keep from Dover 400 into Würth 400. In this case, I copied some of the prose (the written text in the article) relevant to how the race was formerly in the playoffs from their beginning, then I copied the results tables. When I pasted those, I renamed the section titles or else they would have been identical to the ones already in the target article, and that would have caused problems with linking to those sections I just pasted. I then also copied the list of former race names from the infobox and put them in a collapsible list when pasting.
• I then did a page move of Würth 400 to NASCAR Cup Series race at Dover Motor Speedway. This isn't part of the merge itself, just something I prefer to do, as I find this way of naming race article is much more consistent, since we often have yearly sponsor changes in race articles which clutters up edit histories, and sources back up this naming convention as well.
• The real Step 2 is to replace the content of Dover 400 with a redirect to the target article. As you can see in the diff, I simply added #REDIRECT [[NASCAR Cup Series race at Dover Motor Speedway]] then some other lines indicating redirect categories.

That's basically it, from what I remember. Hopefully I explained myself well enough for you! Some other users will go further and merge the results tables together, which is cool, but I can let them do that if they wish. Happy editing. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  04:58, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240819045800","author":"GhostOfDanGurney","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GhostOfDanGurney-20240819045800-45BearsFan-20240815223100","replies":["c-GhostOfDanGurney-20240819051200-GhostOfDanGurney-20240819045800","c-45BearsFan-20240819123300-GhostOfDanGurney-20240819045800"]}}-->

Oh, I almost forgot to add the merged-from and merged-to templates on the talk pages! [1][2] ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  05:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240819051200","author":"GhostOfDanGurney","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-GhostOfDanGurney-20240819051200-GhostOfDanGurney-20240819045800","replies":[]}}-->

Great! Thank you so much!! 45BearsFan (talk) 12:33, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240819123300","author":"45BearsFan","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-45BearsFan-20240819123300-GhostOfDanGurney-20240819045800","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Ghost! (again)

I decided to make a new one to make this a new section as our last one is a bit confusing, but with everything you told me do you think I could give it a shot with O'Reilly Auto Parts 500 to Autotrader EchoPark Automotive 400? Thanks! 45BearsFan (talk) 19:56, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820195600","author":"45BearsFan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-45BearsFan-20240820195600-Can_I_try_myself_(Merging_Texas_2_to_current_Texas_race)","replies":["c-GhostOfDanGurney-20240820205100-45BearsFan-20240820195600"]}}-->

My advice would be to do it in your sandbox (User:45BearsFan/sandbox) first to make sure that there are no errors. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  20:51, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820205100","author":"GhostOfDanGurney","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GhostOfDanGurney-20240820205100-45BearsFan-20240820195600","replies":[]}}-->

Hi. Could I try to move it to a Draft? The old article that was deleted admittedly had a whole lot of issues that warranted its deletion that I tried to fix, but I see it can't be recreated just like that. Do you have any other suggestion? EdgarCabreraFariña (talk) 20:40, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820204000","author":"EdgarCabreraFari\u00f1a","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EdgarCabreraFari\u00f1a-20240820204000-Re:_Viva_Van","replies":["c-GhostOfDanGurney-20240820205500-EdgarCabreraFari\u00f1a-20240820204000"]}}-->

@EdgarCabreraFariña: I believe that you should still raise that point at WP:DRV. I'll ping @OwenX: as the discussion closer at AfD and see if he can add anything (to OwenX, I initially messaged EdgarCabreraFariña at their talk about this). ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  20:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820205500","author":"GhostOfDanGurney","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GhostOfDanGurney-20240820205500-EdgarCabreraFari\u00f1a-20240820204000","replies":["c-EdgarCabreraFari\u00f1a-20240820205800-GhostOfDanGurney-20240820205500","c-OwenX-20240820221200-GhostOfDanGurney-20240820205500"]}}-->

Understood then. Thanks. (Edit: If you allow me, I'll ping @Thief-River-Faller:, who appears to be interested.) EdgarCabreraFariña (talk) 20:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820205800","author":"EdgarCabreraFari\u00f1a","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-EdgarCabreraFari\u00f1a-20240820205800-GhostOfDanGurney-20240820205500","replies":["c-GhostOfDanGurney-20240820210500-EdgarCabreraFari\u00f1a-20240820205800"]}}-->

I just noticed after sending the last message that Thief-River-Faller contested it. In that case, forget about DRV; it can be renominated at AfD and you guys can make your keep !votes there. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  21:05, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820210500","author":"GhostOfDanGurney","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-GhostOfDanGurney-20240820210500-EdgarCabreraFari\u00f1a-20240820205800","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for the ping! The AfD I closed was minimally attended - just enough to avoid a soft deletion. I see no harm in having this second AfD. Owen× ☎ 22:12, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820221200","author":"OwenX","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-OwenX-20240820221200-GhostOfDanGurney-20240820205500","replies":[],"displayName":"Owen\u00d7"}}-->

Hi, on my Canada–India relations & Hardeep Singh Nijjar edits, I had tried to record things as the sequence of events unfolded which is why news from Canada & USA appeared after what became public in India earlier. You were right re WP:NOTNEWS - I have re-written the paragraphs (Edit) to present a more coherent version in the former page, with citations from Washington Post, Globe & Mail, Toronto Star and CBC. Do take a look, and if it reads better, I'll also add it to the 2nd page given its relevance. Thanks for the help on the edits! JTF2020 (talk) 18:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014184500","author":"JTF2020","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JTF2020-20241014184500-Re:_Canada_-_India_Relations","replies":["c-GhostOfDanGurney-20241014205900-JTF2020-20241014184500"]}}-->

@JTF2020: I think that's much better. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  20:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014205900","author":"GhostOfDanGurney","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GhostOfDanGurney-20241014205900-JTF2020-20241014184500","replies":["c-JTF2020-20241014213400-GhostOfDanGurney-20241014205900"]}}-->

@GhostOfDanGurney: Thanks again! Have added some relevant info on the alleged links to India to Hardeep Singh Nijjar; the diplomatic aspects were already present in the article. - JTF2020 (talk) 21:34, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014213400","author":"JTF2020","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-JTF2020-20241014213400-GhostOfDanGurney-20241014205900","replies":[]}}-->

I know there is no need apologize but after reading you're revert on my move (also after reading WP:RMUM) I agree with it, I just thought after the NHMS shortened title I thought we could do something similar to articles about the same length in title. 45BearsFan (talk) 15:25, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241018152500","author":"45BearsFan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-45BearsFan-20241018152500-i_am_sorry","replies":["c-GhostOfDanGurney-20241019171400-45BearsFan-20241018152500"]}}-->

@45BearsFan: All good! Just keep in mind that every article stands on its own merit, which on Wikipedia means that doing something just because "X is like that" is usually not the best reason. Standardizing things can be good, but we can also leave some room for nuance. I recommend reading WP:OTHERSTUFF, which is specifically about deletion discussions, but can apply to other aspects such as article titles. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  17:14, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019171400","author":"GhostOfDanGurney","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GhostOfDanGurney-20241019171400-45BearsFan-20241018152500","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, I'm राजकुमार. I noticed that you recently removed content from Canada–India relations without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. राजकुमार^(talk) 18:37, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019183700","author":"\u0930\u093e\u091c\u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u0930\u093e\u091c\u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930-20241019183700-October_2024","replies":["c-GhostOfDanGurney-20241020181600-\u0930\u093e\u091c\u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930-20241019183700"]}}-->

For the record, I responded to this retaliatory template[3] on the user's talk page. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  18:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020181600","author":"GhostOfDanGurney","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GhostOfDanGurney-20241020181600-\u0930\u093e\u091c\u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930-20241019183700","replies":[]}}-->