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User talk:GramaicI as a user of Wikipedia think, there should be a "History of the Mediterannean," that describes the whole Mediterannean region of Europe, the Middle East and North Africa. WelcomeWelcome! Hello, Gramaic, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place Welcome to Wikipedia! If you like the idea of an article about the history of the Mediterannean area then why not start it and invite others to join you? George 22:48, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
What's with the blanking and recreation of this article? Having a hard time making up your mind? I almost tagged your article for speedy deletion because it was empty. Need help? Rl 19:39, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks Rl. I think it's a very wonderful idea that you made Pan Aryanism a redirect to White supremacy.--Gramaic 07:32, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC) Syria, Lebanon and BeirutI realize you didn't ask me...but the name Syria is from the name of the city called Tyre in English, S.ur in Arabic, Tyrus in Greek, Tzor in Hebrew, which was apparently Tzur in Phoenician, and meant "rock". The historical name for the area that now comprises the modern nation-state of Syria is actually Aram (whence the language of its inhabitants before the muslim invasion, Aramic) (Far northern modern Syria was formerly Ashur, viz. Assyria, from the Greek name, which was modelled by analogy with Syria). So anyways, technically, Syria is "Phoenicia", although the current nation-state has nothing to do with the ancient Phoenicians, and indeed covers very little of the are of ancient Phoenicia, and a lot of area that was well beyond the influence of the Phoenicians. Lebanon is from the Hebrew word for white, "Labhan", whence the name of the perpetually snow-covered mountain in Hebrew, Levanon. Berut is an ancient Phoenician city, and if I recall correctly, its name means "Cypress" (a kind of tree). Tomer TALK 02:47, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC) PhoeniciaI didn't think you meant to put me in the wrong, but in general when altering a previous comment that has already been responded to it is much better to strike through it I have created a new article that is called Christian emigration. It focuses on Christian migration that is mainly from the Middle East, Indian Subcontinent and the Far East (Far Eastern countries such as China). So if anybody wants to visit that article, or add more useful information to it, be my guest.--Gramaic 01:00, 1 May 2005 (UTC) Famous White supremacistsWhen I first saw White_supremacy#Famous_White_supremacists I worried, fearing the potential POV such a list represents. But then I started checking out the entries and in each case I had to agree with its inclusion. I reluctantly agree to the merit of having such a list, but I enthusiastically applaud your care in assembling it. Good work. Cheers, -Willmcw 09:27, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
White SupremacyI added Miller and Lindstedt because they are (or were in the case of Lindstedt, who is currently in jail during his trial) quite active on the net. IIRC Alex Linder isn't on the list. Somebody, perhaps me if my laziness goes away, should add him, since he runs Vanguard News Network last I checked, or at least the forum. And it is true, they hate each other. Lindstedt and Miller especially, it sort of felt unfair to have one and not the other, so I did both. I think Lindstedt once challenged Miller to a fistfight in front of a Wal-Mart. It might have been the other way around. The PhoraI honestly think the Phora doesn't count as a white supremacist site. Chuck it in with the white nationalists, or call it "neutral". If a bunch of anti-racists wanted to show up, and didn't just generally behave in an abusive fashion, they would be allowed to post there, I believe.
Animated GIFDo you really need an animated GIF in your signature? I find it very distracting: it makes it hard to focus to read surrounding text. It seems to me to introduce the opposite of accessibility: I know from studies on web design that it will make it very hard for anyone with even mild ADD or dyslexia to read that portion of the page. -- Jmabel | Talk 21:29, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Poli. I've noticed that you've inserted an image of Mariska Hargitay into this article. Don't you think you're being a little too bold, because everybody knows what a white person looks like. Thanks, --Gramaic | Talk 07:59, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
I'm still getting up to speed on this group. Your participation in this and related articles would improve them, I'm sure. My initial 'take ' is that it is a one-man show, and that the one man (or a close associate) is trying to get additional attention for the group with vanity articles. Anyway, thanks for your contributions. Cheers, -Willmcw 11:19, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
list of white supremacistsGramaic, I've added a few obvious folks to the list (Jefferson Davis, Hitler). However, I'm still not sure a list of famous white supremacists is a great idea. White supremacy was pretty much the status quo assumption in the Western world from the 1600s to the mid-1900s, at least. Most any white person of note during that period could probably be described as a white supremacist (with a few notable exceptions, like John Brown and Eleanor Roosevelt). Any list by its nature is almost certainly going to both minimize the extent of the philosophy's sway and single out certain people unfairly and almost at random -- I mean, I've put Thomas Jefferson here simply because I've seen evidence that he was a white supremacist, but I'm pretty darn sure that virtually all the founding fathers were. I dunno -- you've creaed it now, and I'm not going to put it on Vfd or anything -- just thought you might want to think about whether this is really such a good idea..... (I've posted this message to both the white supremacist talk and list of white supremacist talk pages as well, which is probably more exposure than my prose really requires, but there you go....) NoahB 12:48, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
The "Lists" categoryPlease do not place any articles in Category:Lists. All articles should be placed in one of the sub categories. Thanks so much! -- Reinyday, 10 August 2005 You asked Why do the articles need to be put in sub categories? The "Lists" category, like all categories, exists to help people find what they want. There are thousands of lists, so having them all in one category doesn't help people navigate. By separating them, people can find what they want, like Lists of people or Nature lists. Cheers. -- Reinyday, 11 August 2005 Hello GramaicGramaic, I see that you have changed my introduction to "White" on the ==White people== page. I suppose that I can accept your definition as a standard U.S. government definition, but this is NOT the definition held by the American general public. If one calls himself an Arab, that almost invariably excludes him from being white. In fact, most Arabs I know don't like to be called white. They prefer the blanket term of Arab and/or Middle Eastern, in the same way that in America, white is a blanket term for Europeans. Also, Persians and Turks obviously like to be differentiated from Arabs, but still accept Middle-Eastern. In fact, Arabs and Persians are pushing the U.S. census bureau to add a 'Middle-Eastern' race category to future censuses. Your thoughts?...user: Antonucc
Alex LinderRegarding Alex Linder, he's one of the people formerly associated with Bill White (activist). Such people have been the particular targets of bad edits. So when an editor, possibly Linder himself, says "deleted subjective slurs which strongly deviate from NPOV, and deleted unsubstantiated gossip", it is quite possible that he is correct. White inserted slurs and gossip in many articles and I'm not sure that we got it all cleaned out. He edited as Baxter2 and as an anon before that. There are plenty of bad things that can be said about Linder, but we should only have the real ones. If you have a chance can you review that recent edit [1] and check to see if any of it looks like gossip or uncalled-for slurs? Thanks, -Willmcw 10:20, August 19, 2005 (UTC) Expediency(This is just a thought, not a campaign.) I've always considered the distinctions between White-supremacists/separatists/nationalists to be discernible yet relatively insignificant. However, such distinctions are important to the people who hold those views. I'm inclined to think that moving "nordish.net" from the "White supremacist" article to the "White nationalist" article might settle things down and bring Wikipeace. I see that there's a nice set of similar links already lined up in the "nationalist" article. Why not add it over there? It seems silly to keep restoring the link time and again in "supremacist" if a slightly different designation will make everyone happy-ish. Cheers, -Willmcw 10:27, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
Thank youSee you around at Mt. Sac. T-1000 20:18, 15 September 2005 (UTC) Jimbo Wales to Attend San Diego Meetup on October 18 2005Hello, Jimbo Wales will be in San Diego to attend OOPSLA and has agreed to come by and visit with the San Diego wikipedians. If you are interested, you will find more info on my talk page. Johntex\talk 00:54, 13 October 2005 (UTC) MootstormfrontI may be mitaken but I think it may be back up now. Btw, are you/were you registered on there? XYaAsehShalomX 15:37, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
DamourJust checked the new Damour page and I think you handled it just right. The article should be there but it should include information on the town and only brief mention of the massacre. I say leave it as you have it and we'll hope somebody fills in more general info on the town itself. Regards, Babajobu 22:30, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Mark GabrielHi Gramiac, this was just an anon reviewer on Amazon, so we can't use it in the article, but if you're interested, you can find it here. If you scroll down, it's the review from Jeremy Block, and it says: "Now the bad news: This book is written in a horrible, inarticulate form. He writes as if he is a 10 year old student, with the most unenlightening thoughs [sic] and descriptions. It may be one of the worst books I ever read in this regard. For those wanting an insider account of how Muslims may think of Jews from someone who is from an Arab/Muslim country, it doesnt get any better than this. However, make sure you have the patience and sense of humor to sit through this guys style of writing, because it is quite bad." Note that I'm not saying I agree or disagree with this. Haven't read it, so I've no idea. Cheers, SlimVirgin (talk) 02:44, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Hey Gramaic. I know you are a contributor to Syria-related topics so I thought you would be interested in what's happening on these articles. A certain right-wing anti-Syrian has been making highly POV edits about how Syrian workers "colonized" Lebanon. If you could revert his edits it would be appreciated. Yuber(talk) 00:59, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
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Of interestHey Gramaic, from the previous discussions we had on the definitions of White (particularly the exlusion of Arabs outside the American context), I though you may find it interesting to know of recent events in Australia. As you probably have gathered, Arabs in Australia (the Lebanese to be specific, since they are the most numerous) are not White in popular or goverment definitions (unlike Italians or Greek which aren't white by the popular definition, they are wogs, but are white by the goverment definition). Due to escalating ethnic violence in Australia, now would be a good time to review the press here to get an insight on race relations in Australia (particularly Whiteness). In the past week there has been an increase of violent attacks and hostitlity between white Australian and Arab Australians. As a result of the understanding of racial defenition here, "Racial tensions errupting" is a common title of most media here. Here's an article of the Sydney Morning Herald yesterday which gives insight also on the popular Australian usages of both white and wog. By the way, in the article you will notice "Lebs and wogs" mentioned seperately, this is because Arabs here are de facto wogs, because technically the definition of "wog" also excludes Arabs (originally in Australia wogs were non-Whites from Europe only. Many wog purists still accept only this definition, rejecting the inclusion of Arabs and other Near Easterners).
I should point out that in Australia race is considered independantly from religious background. Thus an English Protestant, Irish Catholic, and German Ashkenazi Jew are all white. Meanwhile, an Iraqi Mizrahi Jew, a Syrian Muslim, and Lebanese Christian are not white, they are a seperate group. As a comparison, there are also Indian Muslims, Indian Christians, and Indian Jews, and they all are in the Indian group. An Indonesian Muslim, Filipino Catholic, and Thai Bhuddist are all in the Asian group. That's the Australian conocept. It is the Australian standard that racially categorises even Australia's Jewish community. "The Sydney Jewish community is dynamic and vibrant, with many communal, social and religious institutions. This book investigates the Sephardic community of Sydney – their history, their experiences as new immigrants in a host society after arriving from traditional Moslem cultures, as well as the changes they have undergone since they arrived in Australia. The Sephardic community comprises about 5,000 of the 50,000 Jews in Sydney, whose majority reside in the eastern suburbs, in Sydney's multicultural inner city “ethnic belt”. Although the Sephardim share some cultural features with the Jewish majority, there are substantial differences: they emphasize their cultural heterogeneity. Their experiences are viewed through the prism of their relationship to both the Ashkenazim and the larger Anglo-Australian society. Their inability to acculturate and assimilate into the Ashkenazi and Australian groups contributes profoundly to their self-image and to ethnic marginalization." "A negative ethnic identity and self-rejection, enhanced by rejection from the Ashkenazim and Australians, has a major impact on their everyday life and their perception of their social standing, especially on the younger Sephardic generation. This issue has been particularly relevant since 1988, when the Australian government moved to restrict Asian immigration. This became a media issue, with the [white] Ashkenazim taking the side of white Australians and seeing themselves as superior to the Afro-Asian Jewish Sephardim, who are viewed as “Asians” by both the [white] Ashkenazim and the white majority. The result is a sense of “double rejection”, which pervades this group’s political and social standing." Al-Andalus 06:04, 9 December 2005 (UTC).
Council of Conservative CitizensYou might be interested in the discussion at talk:Council of Conservative Citizens over what terms to use to describe that organization. Regardless, I hope you're having a nice holiday. Cheers, -Willmcw 23:12, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Erwin LohThis article was deleted as it failed to estabilish any reason why the subject was notable enouth to warrant an entry in an encyclopedia.--nixie 03:15, 31 December 2005 (UTC) CaucasoidWest Asia is not caucasoid because Egypt is in West Asia, and currently wiki disputes egyptians and some other groups in the west asian region origins. Other than Egyptians, take african israelis from ethiopia or and other places in africa. They are black but Israel recognizes them as jews so they are black people indeginous to Israel. There are also some Asian jews but tIsrael doesn't recognize them so I won't get into that. The point is there are a substanial number of people in West Asia who wiki does not define as caucasoid in West Asia that it would unfair to claim them as all Caucasoid. Also Yemen was part of an ethiopian empire for some time so thats just one more reason why it doesn't make sense to claim all of West Asia is caucasoid in origin. As well Somalians come from Yemen and they are considered negroid. This means there must have been a large number of indigenous negroid living in Yemen for some time. I won't speculate further if they were indegnous but there is too much evidence to claim all of wesr asia as caucasoid in indegnous.(--````)(Dualldual 01:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC))
"Brown" usageHi. I noticed that, in the "Use of the term outside the United States" section of White (people), you removed "and Middle Easterners/North Africans" from the end of this passage:
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I have not read this article in detail yet; but it is in my watch list because I want to read it fully and then monitor it. So I noticed your edit. And I must say that I question your edit, for two reasons: 1. Wikipedia edits should be made on the basis of something stronger that what the editor has or hasn't heard. 2. When an article, or a section of an article, is about use of the term, isn't it better to specify different groups' different usages of the term, rather than simply to operate on the basis of "Well, I've only ever heard group X use this term in this way; I dislike that group (or that group doesn't represent the majority), and so I'm just gonna remove all mention of that group's use of the term"? Imagine if there were a dictionary giving two definitions of the word jumper as a garment—one being the American definition (a kind of dress), the other being the British (a sweater)—, and an editor came along and said "I've only ever heard British people use jumper as a name for a sweater—and the U.S. has a much bigger population than the U.K., so let's just cut out the British definition." Just two points to consider. I think this White (people) article could use a lot of improvement (I plan to work on it later); but I can at least suggest that your point might better have been made by adding something like "White supremacists also use 'Brown' to describe Middle Easterners and North Africans." Better to ADD specificity than simply to DELETE something that's too general. And, as I tried to convey in point 1, I think there should be more support for the possibly factual basis for your deletion than merely your own recollection of the only group you've heard use a term in a certain way. I know it can be hard to judge tone of voice in written words; so I'll just end by saying none of this was written with hostility. :-) I hope you're enjoying the start of spring. President Lethe 04:44, 23 March 2006 (UTC) AfD nomination of Prussian Blue (duo) An editor has nominated Prussian Blue (duo), an article on which you have worked or that you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not"). Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prussian Blue (duo) (2nd nomination) and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 02:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC) First off, I apologize for the spam. You are receiving this message because you have indicated that you are in Southern California or interested in Southern California topics (either via category or WikiProject). I would like to invite you to the Los Angeles edition of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art, a photography scavenger hunt to be held at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art (LACMA) on Saturday, February 28, 2009, from 1:00 to 7:00 PM. All photos are intended for use in Wikipedia articles or on Wikimedia Commons. There will be a prize available for the person who gets the most photos on the list. If you don't like art, why not come just to meet your fellow Wikipedians. Apparently, we haven't had a meetup in this area since June 2006! If you are interested in attending, please add your name to Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art#Los Angeles County Museum of Art. Please make a note if you are traveling to the area (train or plane) and need transportation, which can probably be arranged via carpool, but we need time to coordinate. Lodging is as of right now out of scope, but we could discuss that if enough people are interested. Thank you and I hope to see you there! howcheng {chat} 23:56, 9 January 2009 (UTC) LA-area Meetup: Saturday, November 19
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'Antiochian Greeks' vs “Antiochian Greek Orthodox". Important NuancesDear Gramaic, One has to be careful here: I think your ‘merger’ of the two categories is unwarranted at this stage. I’m one of the original drafters of the “Antiochian Greeks” article and also one of the main contributors to the “Antiochian Greek Orthodox Christians” article, and I share some of your ideas and concerns. BUT: 1) It’s true “not all Antiochian Greeks are Greek Orthodox”… but 98%+ of Anticohian Greeks are Greek Orthodox! The bulk of the remaining ≈ 2% being “Uniat” Greek Catholics = who belong to an offshoot of the Greek Orthodox community More importantly 2) “Antiochian Greek Orthodox Christians” simply + CLEARLY means members of the “Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch and the East” = a (relatively) easy to define religious and ethno-cultural group… Things are more complicated with “Antiochian Greeks” which can EITHER be used as a mere synonym of “Antiochian Greek Orthodox Christians” = a rather recent convention, which, I personally, quite like… BUT it can still also be used in an older, much narrower sense.
as opposed to the autochthonous “Greco-Syrian” or “Greco-Semitic” or “Syro-Lebanese” Byzantine “Rûm” Christians = descended from earlier, much older waves of gentile European Greek, Greco-Macedonian, Greco-Syrian, Hellenized Syrians, local/Syro-Cilician Hellenized Jewish, Cypriot and North African Hellenized Jewish, Galilean/Palestinian Hellenized Jewish and also gentile Hellenized Italian migrants...etc. Their descendants are called “Antiochian Greek Orthodox Christians” and “Antiochian Uniat Greek Catholic Christians” in modern English.
 You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Antiochian Greeks/Antiochian Greek OrthodoxPlease stop adding Tony Clement (his father is from Cyprus. The mother is Syrian Jewish) and do not delete population sources for Syria and Lebanon. MaronitePride (talk) 19:04, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
You wrote: "Why do have a problem with Levantine Greeks identifying as Greeks??? Why do you keep changing Syriac to Ghassanid??? Antiochian Greeks are Greeks, not Arabs or 'Arab Christians...'" For the Ghassanids there is a source that you keep deleting. If you were full Greeks why you do not speak Greek language and do not have Greek sounding surnames? Currently, most of you speak Levantine Arabic (Lebanese, Syrian) and all this makes you Arabic-speaking Christians. We Maronites, also belong to this category and we do not have any issues with this. (Of course, there is always an exception, especially far right Maronites). MaronitePride (talk) 19:21, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
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Hello George, Sources have been provided, one of them being from Pavlos Koralidis...More sources will be provided in the future... :-) Gramaic | Talk 05:52, 7 June 2015 (UTC) Consider yourself whateverYou can consider yourself a martian, it doesnt matter. You need reliable sources to add this on Wikipedia and since the academic consensus is that you are native syrians who adhered to the old church of the county who occupied Syria then you cant present yourself as Greeks on Wikipedia. You can do it out of it nobody care.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 03:21, 7 June 2015 (UTC) Mentioned at WP:SPIAt Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Gramaic an editor has suggested you might be operating multiple accounts, or joining in an effort to affect Wikipedia with people you are affiliated with off-wiki. You may respond to that report if you wish. I'm also leaving you a notice of the discretionary sanctions under WP:ARBMAC, below. When I reviewed the complaint at WP:ANI it seemed to me that some organized POV-pushing might be going on, since links were being added to an apparently small association concerned with a group of people they call Antiochian Greeks. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 04:38, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello there, My intention was not to violate any rules. My changes under the IP address was an honest mistake on my part, due to the fact that I have forgotten to log in to my account at times... Gramaic | Talk 05:07, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
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