Vi que agregaste un párrafo sobre la posible inclusión de los países de Conmebol a la UEFA Nations League. Aunque hay varios rumores y algunos directivos de Conmebol lo dan por hecho, todavía no está confirmada esta inclusivo. Si quisieras hacer mención de esa posibilidad, entiendo que sería mejor darlo como potencial.
Hola, @Fmarinzalda: gracias por tu mensaje. En realidad, el párrafo al que se alude está como potencial, ya que puse (de acuerdo a la misma fuente de Conmebol citada) que ambas partes "acordaron" incluir equipos en la Nations League, lo cual interpreto como un acuerdo de palabra. Desde ya, eso no significa más que una confirmación 'oficial' por así decirlo, de una de las partes. De ahí a que se concrete a futuro, se verá con el tiempo.
Sinceramente no sé cómo podría enmendarse ese párrafo y poner de forma más explícita que dicho acuerdo es solamente de palabra y puede cristalizarse o no (desconozco si se firmaron documentos a manera de compromiso oficial, por eso no quiero arriesgar opinión). Te invito a que lo dejes más en claro, si es que podés ponerlo en palabras, aunque (es mi opinión personal) no creo que sea necesario agregar nada por ahora, a menos que a futuro se firme algún acuerdo a manera de documento oficial y obviamente, se agregaría en el artículo. Abrazo, Fma12 (talk) 13:18, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Podemos dejarlo tal como está escrito ahora. Otra opción sería decir que "se ratificaron acuerdos de nuevas competiciones incluyendo la posibilidad de la inclusión de los países de Conmebol a la UEFA Nations League". Saludos, Fmarinzalda (talk) 07:15, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Non-free use of File:Football Federation Islamic Republic of Iran (low res).png
Hi, @Marchjuly: thanks for the information. I was aware of that rule but unfortunately different criteria apply on different cases. For instance, File:Brazilian Football Confederation logo.svg is used on both, the CBF and the child entity Brazil national team. Other cases (such as File:Paris Saint-Germain F.C..svg) are still more extreme so that logo is used on three articles. Because of that, I have to admit that I'm a bit confused about NFC#UUI rules and how differently they put into effect here. Fma12 (talk) 22:14, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not if there's really a simple to answer your question. WP:OTHERIMAGE may apply in that each non-free use is supposed to be assessed on its individual merits. Trying to compare the way similar files are being used sometimes can help clarify things, but other times perhaps not so much. There have been a number attempts made over the years to try and clarify this type of non-free use, but none of them appear to have been very successful; so, there's been no change made to that part of WP:NFC#UUI and how it's been (being) interpreted or applied. If you feel that some type of general change is needed, then you can of course start another discussion about this at WT:NFCC. Perhaps this time, something will be able to be resolved.Having said that, if your main concern is the non-free use of this particular file, then starting a new FFD about it's non-free use might be more appropriate. I believe that's what was done in the case of the Brazilian logo. The initial discussion was that it should only be used in the main article about the confederation, but a subsequent discussion established a consensus for its use in the men's article. That might be an approach to try here as well, but you might want to run that by Graeme Bartlett as a courtesy first since you're basically going to be discussing a close he made. A consensus can change over time, but think it's better to seek a new consensus in case like this via discussion than via editing, particularly when there's a formally closed XfD type of discussion involved and you're sort of advocating that a "mistake" was made the first time.I've got no idea about the PSG logo. You brought it up for discussion at FFD, but others apparently weren't sure why you were discussing it (i.e. you clearly didn't state what outcome you were trying to achieve). It looks like you tried to have a general policy discussion in an FFD about the non-free use of an individual file, which is something FFD isn't really intended for. Since Explicit is the administrator who closed that FFD, you might want to ask him about this and why the discussion was closed as a "keep". For reference, that "keep" close doesn't (at least in my opinion) say that the non-free use of that PSG file was policy compliant. It just states that nobody could figure out what you specifically were asking (e.g. "keep", "delete", "remove", "add"); so, they didn't know what action to take and defaulted to "procedural keep".Finally, one thing about the Iran logo is that the main elements of the logo appear to be the Iranian flag, some text (both in English and Farsi) and a soccer ball. Considered individually, each of those elements is probably not eligible for copyright protection (at least under US copyright law); the combination of them, however, might be what makes the logo copyrightable. You might want to take a look at c:COM:Iran to see if there's anything in Iranian copyright law that might apply here. You might also want to consider asking about the logo at c:COM:VPC to see what some others might think. If it turns out that the logo isn't eligible for copyright protection for some reason, then its use would no longer be subject to WP:NFCC. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:35, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sincerely, my experience on this project along the years has proved me that criteria to determine the use of non-free images are, at less, contradictory. Not only in football badges but comics covers as well. To be honest and for the reasons explained above, I don't have the will to be involved in further debates about the use of such images. Unless until things change and similar criteria be applied to all the images with no exceptions. Fma12 (talk) 23:47, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I was actually blocked for sending too many of these 'Happy New Years' greetings just now. A most distressing turn of events for trying to spread joy! :( —Moops⋠T⋡18:51, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Chadnibal:, I'll try to improve the Ghia article but unfortunately it will not be an easy task. When an article is nominated for deletion due to lack of notability, most of times it is removed. :( Fma12 (talk) 19:19, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Looks to me like you are the expert on team kits.
I have not been able to figure out how to do the new SIU Edwardsville Cougars men's soccer kit. Home remains all white, but the road jersey is red & black diagonal stripes, high on right. Looks to be about 1 1/2-2" stripes.
Would appreciate it if you can help.
@GWFrog: Hi Michael. I don't know if I'm an expert but this is a topic I'm passionate about, be sure of that. I would like to help with the Cougars kits so I'm going to search for visual references to make those kit look as real as possible. Fma12 (talk) 17:07, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, @Drat8sub: to be sincere, I'm pretty busy with some NFL patterns in these days, but I could use some existing patterns at Template:Football kit/pattern list to update the India NT uniforms on the infobox. For example, the orange arc and black arc templates could be useful for both, home and away kit bodies. I'll take the color samples from the sources you gave me to replicate a similar HEX color as well.
Okay, for now the infobox is necessary. You update however best you can, update the men's team infobox, I will replicate in other national team info box. But after you finish with the NFL, which will undoubtedly take a lot of your time, please try to create the patterns, the present jersey is also not simple as you can see there are light tiger strips below chest and ofcourse the previous jersey that is needed for the kit evolution history has digitised tiger face pattern which seems more difficult. I know the pattern will be difficult to make but I have only hope with you mate, the people who helped me with kit pattern before have left wikipedia, I will really be thankful if you take the task to help me later on. Thank you for you response. Drat8sub (talk) 03:41, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The South American club championship of 1948 was held before 1955; only in 1955 FIFA determined that international club competitions should be seen as official only provided that they were organised by international confederations such as UEFA and CONMEBOL, while FIFA position until that moment was that the clubs themselves should organise their competitions (see www.uefa.com/newsfiles/240459.pdf ). Thus, labelling the South American tournament as "friendly" just because it was not organised by Conmebol is historicaly innacurate. The competition was played with the explicit purpose of determining the champion club of a given geographical area (South America), which is very different from the "spirit" of the kind of international competition we usually refer to as "friendly" (Teresa Herrera, etc). Yours Sincerely El cazador (talk) 04:33, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moreover, Conmebol can´t give official status to a tournament not organised by them. In the same way, FIFA has no influence on regional (in this case South American) competitions. As Conmebol was founded in 1916 and the 1948 Campeonato de Campeones" was held decades after, we can´t give official status to a competition organised by club Colo-Colo. Fma12 (talk) 22:11, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Johnny Lightning: Army Ambulance Photo
Hi,
Thanks for adding the image of the Johnny Lightning Dodge Army Ambulance. This page definitely needs more photos!
I noticed that you put the ambulance in the RC2 section. Actually, it was produced in 2001, making it a Playing Mantis release.
Here's a link to a great database of all releases of that casting. (I believe that yours is from Lightning Brigade Release 4.)
https://jlcollector.net/069.html
This is my first time to leave a comment on a Talk page so please excuse me if I didn't do it right. And thank you for helping improve the Johnny Lightning page!
@ToyFacts: thank you for your message!! Undoubtely the JL article needs more photos, in fact I've trying to get more images from sites such as Flickr or others that have free contents, but they are hard to find anyway.
Hi Fma12! Thanks for your answer! I have posted in the discussion page Argentina–Brazil football rivalry, where I clarify this issue of the count of matches. If you want to participate it would be great. [6]
Hello! Please, can you help me with a possible solution in this article? [7]. I asked for help in the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football here [8] and nobody came... I gave 10 sources in the talk page of the article (2 from FIFA) and the user Svartner doesn´t want to accept any change in the article (disrespecting 10 sources, a few of them with the complete list of games). It´s tottaly unacceptable to see only one vision (the brazilian one), with 3 o 4 sources (many of them not very serious) and leaving out the 10 sources that clarely say another count and show the count: 2 sources of FIFA, 2 sources of AFA, a source from El Gráfico, a source of TyC Sports, 2 sources of Rsssf.com, a source of Promiedos.com, a surce from goleamos.com... Please, can you help me? Regards, --Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk) 23:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Women's uniforms
Hi, yes it was reverted on Argentina women's U17, 'cause at the time as you well know they were playing a tournament in which they were still using the old kits, so I'm happy you waited until it was over to update them. I don't see why I would revert them? Thanks Bocafan76 (talk) 22:56, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi! I am writing to you again because the brazilian user Svartner has came back and he is reverting all the articles related to the count of matches between Argentina and Brzil football rivalry. He doesn´t respect 2 official FIFA´s sources and many others that even put Argentina above by one match (AFA, El Gráfico, TyC Sports, Promiedos), and he only puts 3 sources that say that Brazil is avobe. Only one source gave by him can be considered "serious" (rsssf.com), but the others (eloratings.net and 11v11.com) are a complete "joke" ( por no decirte que son una terrible joda... ;-) ). I think that any source can´t be above a single FIFA source... A single FIFA source "kills" any other source, because FIFA is the major world football organization... So, the user does not "recognize" 2 FIFA´s sources , one of them with the complete list of matches according to FIFA, and others from AFA, El Gráfico (with the list of matches), Promiedos (with the list of matches too), TyC Sports.
1)FIFA source number 1. Updated to the latest game (BRA 0 ARG 1, 21/11/2023):[9]. Tied in 42 each.
2)FIFA source number 2. Updated to the 21/11/2012 game. After that match, they played 11 matches, with 4 wins each, 2 ties and one suspended because of the circus made by the brazilian "Ministry of Health" or "Security"... The source shows all the lists of matches... To see the complete list of matches, please click in "Advanced search", and then in "Show all matches":[10]. Adding those games, Argentina is above by one match...
3)Argentine Football Association source number 1 (the major Argentina´s football organization). Updated to the 15/11/2019 game. After that, they played 4 games, with 2 Argentina´s wins, one tie and one suspended match because of the "circus". The source shows all the lists of matches... [11]. Adding those games, Argentina is above by one match.
4)AFA source number 2. Updated to the 16/11/2021 game. After that, they played only 1 match, won by Argentina. The source shows all the lists of matches... [12] Adding this game, Argentina is above by one match.
5)El Gráfico Magazine source (the major football Latin American magazine between 1919 to the middle 2000´s). Updated to the 16/11/2021 game. After that, they played 1 match, won by Argentina... The source shows all the lists of matches... [13]
6)Promiedos.com source. Updated to the latest game (BRA 0 ARG 1, 21/11/2023): [14]
7)TyC Sports source. Updated to the latest game (BRA 0 ARG 1, 21/11/2023). The source shows all the lists of matches... [15]. Argentina is above by one match.
To be "good" I think we should consider the FIFA´s sources. Beacause if we are "evil", we should even say that Argentina leads by one match, as many sources say...
I think it´s crazy and inconceivable, and the behavior of this user is capricious and unacceptable. Can you help me to stop this nonsense? How can we speak with a "biblio" to intervene in this issue? Can you do it for me? Thanks!
Cheers, Saludos! --Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk) 04:21, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, @Raúl Quintana Tarufetti: I see that (unlike the previous discussion) you have been involved in an edit war with user Svarter, which could bring a punishment to you. I strongly recommend you to report him at WP:ANI before taking further actions. Fma12 (talk) 20:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! I´m back, but I will not revert until many users see the talk page and participate. Please, I ask you with my heart to participate in the discussion here [16]. Please... How can invite other users interested in football in the english wikipedia to participate? Any page to do it? Thanks! Regards, --Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk) 00:05, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Fma12. I work at TaskUs employee, and need some help with making changes to the the company's Wiki which was created in 2021 and has not been thoroughly updated since. You've done some impressive editing on other related articles, and I'd be grateful if you took a look at my suggestions for expanding and updating the TaskUs article. My understanding is that my COI prevents me from making these kinds of major changes on my own. Please review and let me know what you think. I appreciate your time and input. If you give me the green light, I can implement independently. Thank you in advance, RK at TaskUs (talk) 13:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, @RK at TaskUs: thanks for your cumpliments and kind words to me. I would be glad to assist you with the article, I will leave a feedback on TaskUs' talk page and I hope it helps. Best regards, Fma12 (talk) 20:35, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much Fma12! Really appreciate you taking the time to work with me on this. I look forward to hearing from you and collaborating to update the article. RK at TaskUs (talk) 15:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ovens & King FNL logo
Hi, I noticed that you uploaded the Ovens & Murray FNL logo, which is great & was wondering if you would be able to upload the Ovens & King Football Netball League logo as well. I'm not sure how to do, without breaching Wikipedia's copyright standards. Thanks! Justin J. Kelly (talk) 10:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JackkBrown: I think you are giving an opinion rather than a real fact. I'm an Argentinian and know the Fiat brand well so the brand has had a long presence in my country and is one of the most beloved automotive brands here.
I did not cite imaginary or fake sources but official sites. What what makes you think that the logo is "not official"? As I told you before, you can open a discussion on Talk:Fiat to know what other users think about it. Fma12 (talk) 20:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ShowierData9978: Hello! Well, in this case you committed a mistake reverting the changes for two reasons: 1) I had done other useful and good faith edits apart from the link to the stadium official site. 2) I've just added the link (missing until then) on wikidata (probably it was not showed on the article until the addition was done).
I also didn't see any discussion on the Harry Holden image, Paterson True Blues and a number of other edits to American Cup articles all without discussion. Some of these edits are questionable as to their improvement of the article. I would almost say they were shy of vandalism. I really hate to make that statement but saying an image had better detail when it is the same image is an extremely weak argument. Libro0 (talk) 03:04, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Fma12! I noticed that you have been going through and making all the winners of soccer conference tournaments bold. As shown in the header, bold should indicate when the tournament winning team also won (or shared a portion of) the regular season championship. If I've made some errors going through the record books, I am appreciative of corrections, but every winner should not be bold.
Hi @Swimmer33: thanks for your message; at first, I considered your reversions were wrong and even disrupting so in association football tables of titles / championships (p.e. Copa América), winning teams are usually marked in bold. But then I realised that in NCAA competitions things are more complex because being a "winning" teams of the competition also includes winning regular season, and national championships.
Therefore I prefer to trust your bigger experience as an editor of US competitions and let things flow. Regards,
I see where you're coming from. Thanks for understanding. To be honest, I made a majority of the women's tournament pages last year and I just copied the formatting over from the men's versions. I do appreciate the facelift of the tables! Swimmer33 (talk) 18:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Sólo fotos de Rosario Central vas a denunciar en Commons?
Hola. Me parece que denunciaste solo fotos de Central en Commons... Como si fuera el único club que tiene fotos supuestamente prohibidas en EEUU y no sé cuántas formalidades tontas más... Te dejo unas cuántas de Newell´s, por si las querés denunciar también...
Hola @Raúl Quintana Tarufetti:, si algo me provoca bastante rechazo, es la parcialidad de los hinchas en esta página. Yo soy de Boca y sin embargo he subido fotos de River (y otros equipos tb) sin ningún problema, porque me saco la camiseta cuando estoy acá, ya que me interesa el deporte en general. ¿Sabés la cantidad de fotos que por ese pxxx URAA me han borrado de Commons? o te pensás que los de CARC son los únicos "afectados" por eso? Si no soy yo, te las va a nominar otro, están muy jodidos con eso del copyright en USA, y vos lo sabés tan bien como yo.
Así que por favor, no vengas a increparme justo a mí, que me han borrado más archivos de los que te podés imaginar. PD: Los archivos de Newell's podés nominarlos vos mismo; no soy mandadero de nadie, y tampoco me voy a ofender si los suprimen, tarde o temprano alguien lo hará. Fma12 (talk) 18:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Denunciaste a varias de RC que estaban en El Gráfico y que fueron anteriores a 1989. Por supuesto que las voy a volver a subir con tiempo, porque son legales... Y a las de Newell´s, claro que las voy a denunciar. Obvio lo haré. Yo no soy alcahuete de nadie tampoco, pero no voy a permitir que se metan solo con mi club, dejando pasar a todos los demás alegremente. Lamentablemente, van a salir "perjudicados" varios por "purismos" que no tienen sentido: en vez de enriquecer la enciclopedia algunos se ensañan en achicarla y quitarle imágenes... Lamentable... --Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk) 18:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Raúl Quintana Tarufetti: Si estaban en El Gráfico y podés demostrar la fuente, subilas tranquilo. Es una pena que lo tomes personal, y que creas que es una persecución contra los de RC, me parece que estás muy equivocado. Ya te dije, si vas a hacer un clásico barrial futbolero de esto, vas por mal camino, esta web no es un blog de Central. Espero que lo entiendas, quedo atento a que me lleguen las notificaciones por las imágenes que nomines, pero si son anteriores al 89, no vas a llegar muy lejos. Sólo aviso. Fma12 (talk) 19:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sé que no es un blog personal de Central, y colaboro activamente en wikipedia desde 2006, así que imaginate que lo sé MUY bien; llevo AÑOS trabajando acá, incluso en Commons, subiendo fotos... Y sabés qué? Me molesta cuando se ensañan con un solo lado, ya que lo tuyo fue alevoso. Hiciste una batería de denuncias; todas a fotos de Central, y fue tremendo cómo las direron de baja solo por meras formalidades que nadie se quejaba... Porque nadie se quejaba, fue de puro... bue, mejor no nombro la palabra que empieza con a y termina con e... Esto que hiciste, es de no creer [18]... Tooodas tuyas... Toditas... Y de otros clubes, nada, cero, dale que va, se que que no te "molestaron" o te parecieron "legales" esas... Mirá, no hago un clásico barrial (en todo caso es provincial dado la magnitud de los clubes), sino que me jode que se arruine el trabajo de años por burócratas parciales. Sobre las de Newell´s, si, ya denuncié a varias, quedate tranquilo. Y seguiré más adelante... Y sobre las de RC de El Gráfico, quedate también tranquilo que las iré subiendo a todas con tiempo: de 1971, de 1973, de 1980...
Y otra cosa, cuando te pedí que te involucraras con el historial REAL de Argentina vs Brasil te hiciste bien el distraido, y me la banqué solo contra varios ingleses y brasileros que querían mentir, devirtuar, manipular las estadísticas en favor de Brasil. A vos no te pido más nada, solo que seas ecuánime y no estropees el trabajo de años. No me contestes más, no te voy a leer. Me quedo con esto. Bye, --Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk) 20:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Raúl Quintana Tarufetti: Te respondo lo último y cierro con vos y tu fanatismo ciego. Subí y denunciá lo que quieras, no me mueve la aguja ni RC ni NOB aunque vos quieras creer otra cosa. Y otra cosa, cuando te pedí que te involucraras con el historial REAL de Argentina vs Brasil te hiciste bien el distraido, y me la banqué solo contra varios ingleses y brasileros que querían mentir, devirtuar, manipular las estadísticas en favor de Brasil: respuesta: una sóla vez complací tu pedido, después no quise involucrarme más en tu guerra de ediciones. No tengo obligación de nada, esto no es un trabajo, edito lo que quiero y cuando quiero. Espero que te quede claro y me dejes tranquilo con tus planteos infantiles. Ya me tomé bastante trabajo en leerte y contestarte. Agradezco que no me escribas más. Fma12 (talk) 20:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No era guerra de ediciones, era justicia, realidad y nivel enciclopédico neutral... Pero bueno, no te quisiste meter, teniendo 1000 fuentes, que encima, me dieron la razón dado que no pudieron torcerme ni poner lo que se les cantaba en favor de Brasil.
Respecto a las fotos, quedaste muy expuesto con esto [19], demasiado anti, demasiado ensañamiento... Años de trabajo tirados a la basura por un mero burócrata... Y resulta que el "fanático" soy yo... Bue, al menos no soy a1c4*u3*3 de commons como otros... Yo también agradezco que no me escribas más ni te cruces conmigo. Hasta nunca, ahora si. --Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk) 20:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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