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Hi, I noticed you edit Kurdistan related articles. I have several scholarly and western articles on Kurdistan history in particular. I was wondering if you are interested in reading them and it might help your edits. Feel free to activate your e-mail(see the toolbox on the left) and then e-mail me. I think these articles can help in writing better articles. Thank you.--Nepaheshgar (talk) 22:57, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hazza
Hello Ellipi, sorry for my edit on Hazza (Kurdistan). You're completely right, I misunderstood the wording of the article. I'm happy you fixed it in way which can't no longer been misunderstood. --Ilyacadiz (talk) 17:51, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
please be objective, you don't have the opposite proof either. One of the sources is the official site of UNPO, so they're quite reliable, and it is NOT for encylopedic to "nationalize" sources. Besides, do not undo my contribution, as you also removing other changes than the number of population, like spelling errors etc.--Bunifa88 (talk) 21:28, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My only concern is that you label the sources Western if the number is low, and Turkish if the number is high. This is obviously NOT impartial. Go ahead and ask the admins. --Bunifa88 (talk) 01:23, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There are a lot of sources which explicitly say that Turkish estimates that put population of Iraqi Turkoman at millions are exaggeration and they are no more than 2% percent of the Iraqi population. Ellipi (talk) 09:00, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! I don’t think there is any need for you to delete my contributions... especially since your reference is still there. We are a community here at wikipedia. Lets help each other and reach compromises rather than getting into childish edit wars. I think its very unfair to say that a 'western' source is reliable and that anything which is non-western must be incorrect. Don’t you think? Turco85 (Talk) 16:49, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The western sources are the view of mainstream scholars and have much more weight than nationalist claims which often have no base. Ellipi (talk) 17:13, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Have to disagree with you. I will give you an example for this. The Greeks article states 15,000 Greeks in Turkey- they are using a Turkish source even though western sources all state 5,000 Greeks live in Turkey. So it seems as though people only use Turkish sources when it suits them. I am for you keeping your sources... but it does not mean we should delete my references. I say leave all figures so that this conflict can finally end :D Turco85 (Talk) 17:48, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea what is going on regarding Greeks' figures. But It is a proven fact that the number claimed by Turkish nationalists for Turkmens in Iraq is wrong and according to wikipedia policy should not be given undue weight. Moreover, I have not deleted the Turkish nationalist claims that there are billions of Turkomans in Iraq, but just removed it from infobox where only mainstream facts should be reflected. Yet, if you still insist to add it to the infobox, no matter, just make it clear that it is only a Turkish nationalistic nonsense and mainstream scholars see it simply as a desperate lie. Ellipi (talk) 17:56, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Turkish ethnicity
Hello Ellipi. For now I will consider your edits in good faith as you are a relatively new user to Wikipedia. I advice you to discuss all matters in the discussion page in order for us to come to a solution as a wiki community. I hope that your edits are not based on nationalism and for now will be acting in good faith, however if you continue to act in this way (especially whilst contradicting facts with references) then I may have to report you. Thetruthonly (talk) 21:44, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for finally adding references. Ellipi you have to understand that we can not state something without citations- I don’t want to be harsh towards you but we can not just state figures out of fine air. I hope you understand this. However, I am pretty sure that your reference is about Turkmen people rather than Iraqi Turkmen- I hope your familiar with the difference as many wiki users often confuse the two. For now I will leave your figures as well but please use the correct citation format when adding references. If you are not sure which one is appropriate, please see WP:CITE.
I am sure you can now see my objection towards the template being deleted. As it needs much attention, and therefore the rest of the Turkish people article would be neglected due to this subject. If you still find the need for mediation then let me know. Thetruthonly (talk) 23:02, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is clear that Turkmens of Iraq are actually neither Turks nor Turkmens, but Azerbaijanis. But They've been historically called Turkmens, and that's why they have been mentioned in that certain source. Moreover, this dispute about tiny minorities of Tukmens in Syria and Iraq needs more attention by admins, for the exaggerated numbers should be removed from the templates, and must only be discussed in the article under Demographics/population section and just as oponion of some Iraqi Turkmens. Ellipi (talk) 13:20, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! Thanks for your recent contribution! However I have just removed your references and added [citation needed] because the references you gave are clearly are about the Turkmen people as your references state that there is 500,000 Turkmen in Afghanistan... this obviously means all the other countries listed in your reference is about the Turkmen rather than Syrian Turks or Iraqi Turks who descend from the Seljuk’s and the Ottomans. Please make sure that your references on this topic specifically says Iraqi Turks or Syrian Turks because they differ from the Turkmen immensly. Happy wiki editing :D Turco85 (talk) 15:30, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well I would have to disagree that they are Azeri's (see also Azerbaijani people)... Maybe your confusing yourself because of their large population in Iran? Anyway loool, leaving that aside we still have to remember that it is about the Turkish peoples population (not that Azeris or Turkmen's) and therefore it is best (in my opinion) to use Iraqi Turks or Syrian Turks sources in order to avoid confusion. I myself have grandparents from Iraq and they have always considered themselves Turkish. Hence the reason why the Iraqi Turkmen flag is the same as the Republic of Turkey but with a blue background. Have a look at these references as well if you wish: [1], [2], [3]
Also I am actually going to remove Syria from the template completely until we can find a solid figure... Feel free to message me if you have any concerns or if you think you can help! Happy editing! :D FYI I am going to add a heading to your message on my user page :D. Turco85 (talk) 18:57, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Their name for themselves as well as the way they have been historically called is Turkman not Turk. at least in nearly all cases this is the reality. Ellipi (talk) 20:28, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Of course I know that, but the order was wrong, as the (also spelled bla bla) should come AFTER Iraqi Turkmen not after Iraqi Turks.--Bunifa88 (talk) 20:33, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There are two documents that give guidance on the subject; WP:ENGLISH mainly says that you shouldn't use too many foreign words, as we don't want entire articles in other languages. WP:MOS#Foreign_terms says a little about the formatting style.
My first thought was to borrow the style of Japanese articles, for example;
(The Japan page uses a template to achieve this, but for your purposes it's probably not worth constructing all the templates, but rather just to copy the code for each instance)
Unfortunately...
Your 'code' will not work, for most people. It uses a non-standard font, so unless the user has installed that font, they will just see letters. Hence, I saw 'awEad' in place of 'awEad' (which YOU will see, because you have the font).
There are no unicode characters for this language (there is a proposal for the future), so there is no way to have lettering within text. The only remaining option is a picture. So I installed a font (I used 'Avestran 1.0' which I found on the web; I tried jamaspa, but found the former to be clearer). I then typed big leters in word, did a screenprint, pasted into photoshop, cropped the pic and uploaded it. That gives this image;
I experimented with putting this image into the 'Japanese' style format;
Daeva (? daēuua, daāua, daēva) is is the Avestan term for...
The problem with that is, it won't scale. It has to be fixed pixel height, so it will mess up for people using different font size in their browser, etc. Also, it's a bit 'clumsy'.
Given all of the above, the best answer I can give would be, to use the 'Japanese style' for the romanization of the term, and use an image in association. Like this;
Daeva (daēuua, daāua, daēva?) is is the Avestan term for the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
Please note that that is a 'quick and dirty' picture; it's not in the best format, and could be bigger/clearer. I expect the folk at WP:Image requests could make a much better job of it.
I hope that this is helpful; if you'd like more input from me, it would be best to reply below, but please let me know on my own talk page.
Happy Nowruz.Nowruz Piruz Bet. I hope you have a good and prosperous new year alongside your family and have a year full f success! --Nepaheshgar (talk) 16:35, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Mofak Salman Kerkuklu / Muhammad Shamsaddin Megalommatis
Hello there. Thank you for your comment. From what I could see from this particular web page entry put online by Prof. Dr. Muhammad Shamsaddin Megalommatis, he was referring to a book written by Mofak Salman Kerkuklu, and I felt that the majority of this web page was the writings of Mofak Salman Kerkuklu. I do not know how you feel about Kerkuklu. In this case I was using this particular web page to verify that Turkmeneli had a capital city named Kerkuk as the article had zero references in regards to any facts to date, and should really be tagged as an article needing references. If you can replace the reference with another reliable source that is OK. As it currently stands, I do not think that the source, if it is extremist, is introducing extremist views to the article. As it stands now the citation is verifying that the capital is Kerkuk of Turkmeneli. It is important to me not to add any information or sentences into wikipedia without saying where I got it, as that would be original research, and I haven't been to Turkmeneli nor Kerkuk, so I have to use sources. In this way I abide by What wikipedia is and avoid What wikipedia is not. Please comment further or add references and sources to the article to support the sentences and facts thereon. SriMesh | talk23:12, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
relevant
Hi!. How is that relavant with Turkmen PRESENCE?: "In pre-modern era, Iraq denoted south of Hamrin Mountains."
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Ellipi (talk | contribs) (5,498 bytes) (rv edit by Buhanifas sockpuppet and added tag): WHAT THE HELL? get your facts straight!--Bunifa88 (talk) 19:08, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
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Thank you for your effort in Wikipedia. Specially for your excellent work on Iran, Iranian languages and Kurdistan. I award you this Barnstar as a token of appreciation for your continuing presence in Wikipedia. Piruz Bet.
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Original research. The author has concluded from a discussion among historians (see for example page 24-on of the Cambridge ancient history) that "Achaemenians may have been in two lines one related to Teispid and one related to Darius" (this is an ongoing discussion among historians) and the wiki author concludes that "Teispid was a dynasty in ancient Anshan, with Teispes as...". This pure Original Research.
Dear Ellipi, I am a bit busy and can not take care of the article Teipids to be deleted. But I guess (as you see from my comments in the talk page of Cyrus the Great and the deletion reaseon) that you misunderstood some of the articles of Iranica. The discussion by one writer does seem to me enough for creation of an article on Teipids. what do you think? If my proposal is a mistake please excuse me. In any case, I was concerned about wp:OR otherwise the article you use (Iranica article on Fars) is fine with me if used within appropriate section of other articles. Thank you. Xashaiar (talk) 05:29, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is not just Waters. The article, (though currently just a short stup) is significant and is about another pre-achaemenid Iranian dynasty.
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