User talk:Dauster

Welcome

Welcome!

Hello, Dauster, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  Karmafist 23:33, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome and thank you

Hi Bill: Welcome and thank you for your work with the Parsha pages, they needed help and you are doing it! Would you mind keeping track of Portal:Judaism and changing each week's Prasha in it? Also please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism that you could join. Be well. IZAK 11:27, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Parshiot templates

Hi Bill, I just came across this at User:Jnothman/Parshiot templates and I thought it may be of some help to you. Best wishes, IZAK 13:18, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Succession boxes

Hello Mr. Dauster,

First, I would like to thank you for the excellent work you have been doing by adding all of the parshiyot. However, I noticed that you placed the succession boxes at the top of the articles "to avoid conflict with category box". This is not the Wikipedia convention where the succession boxes are at the bottom of the articles. I have moved them back to the bottom for you.

Thanks again, YUL89YYZ 13:40, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vote for deletion

You may be interested in this vote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/A_wife_confused_for_a_sister. Yoninah 22:39, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pointers for the Parsha

Hi Dauster: Thank you for your regular, reliable, outstanding and meticulous work with keeping the Parsha segment in Portal:Judaism updated each week! I have noticed some small recurring issues, that I keep on "correcting", and that I wanted to bring to your attention and hopefully it will assist you and ensure the continued high quality of your edits.

  1. Firstly, Wikipedia technology does not require you to type in two complete words for many disambigs, as say when you want to type "Israelites" or "Jews" it is not necessary to type [[Israelite|Israelites]] or [[Jew|Jews]] because the correct way to do it is to just add the final letter/s after the final "]]" --> like so: [[Israelite]]s and [[Jew]]s which give you Israelites and Jews.
  2. Secondly, when typing in the word "God" please avoid linking it to "plain" [[God]] as that link does not lead to the God of the Torah, Jews and Judaism, but rather to all other types of "Gods" as well. Rather, please try to use the following disambig method, especially when writing about anything to do with the Parsha and Judaism's God: [[Names of God in Judaism|God]] which also reads as God and will direct the reader to Judaic notions of God rather than taking them away from it. I am sure that the importance of this is self-evident and does not need further elaboration.
  3. Finally, the summary of the Parsha in Portal:Judaism's Parsha section should not be in italics, but in regular font. Italics is almost always used when quoting from other books or sources, to show that the words are from another source, which is not the case in this instance since it's just a brief summary of the Parsha and not a "quote" from anywhere.

I hope that you will find these pointers of help as you continue your very helpful efforts with the project. If I notice anything else I will try to alert you to it in the future. Feel free to contact me at any time. Best wishes and thanks again! ShabbatShalom, IZAK 06:55, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bible verses and chapters on Wikipedia

Hi Bill: Shavua Tov ! It is important that you see the following proposed Wikipedia policy pages and their discussion pages at Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Verses of 1 Kings 4 and 5 AND Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Whole bible chapter text. Thanks for giving this matter your serious attention before discussion is closed and the "policy" is set. IZAK 09:39, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

bible verse

Good work on the Parsha summaries. I noticed that you directly link verse to machon mamre. There is a very good template Template:bibleverse that will do that for you. Also, if in the future machon mamre shuts down, or changes it system, having a centralized template allows all the links to be changed easily (instead of tracking down hundreds of links). Have a good shabbos. Jon513 09:57, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism

Dear Dauster! I have created Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism. Please put it on your watchlist, and please add relevant AfD's as you find them. Cheers. - CrazyRussian talk/email 19:48, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]


{{Torah portion}}

Hi Bill: See the following at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Template: Torah portion, it touches upon your "weekly work". Best wishes, IZAK 09:22, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi everyone:

User:msh210 has disagreed with me (see User talk:IZAK#Maftir) about placing {{Torah portion}} on each of the following articles. He has placed the following basic objection on each page: "What is {{Torah portion}} doing on this page? Completelt irrelevant.—msh210℠ 19:06, 2 July 2006 (UTC)."[reply]

In response I am centralizing the discussions here. I am also providing the full text of my first response on each article's talk page here, listed as point "Reason/s (1)" for each article, the other three reasons were the same on/for all the articles: That: (2) The template {{Torah portion}} is at the bottom of the Maftir article's page, so essentially it's part of the "See also" section which is a legitimate way of connecting related and connected topics on an article. (3) If a reader finds the {{Torah portion}} to be "too intrusive" then any reader is free to click "Hide" on the top right section of the template's heading which shrinks it to an unobtrusive one liner. Finally, (4) the {{Torah portion}} is presently diligently updated weekly by User:Dauster early each Sunday so that any readers may learn more about the weekly Parsha. User:Dauster summarizes each week's Parsha and adds some interesting graphics which surely adds life and color to a page that may gain the attention of readers who don't know much about this subject and may want to learn more. Please refer all further comments and discussions to one centralized location at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Template: Torah portion Thank you. IZAK 08:25, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The following were not mentioned by User:msh210 on User talk:IZAK, but should be included here to show their relevance:

Just Thank You

Thanks for the Parsha summaries. It seems like a lot of work. Good job. Onethang 03:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WoW!!

You have done an unbelievable job assembling summaries, pictures, links, and commentaries of each parasha. I am so happy that Wikipedia became an avenue to spread valuable teachings of Torah. Keep up the good work!David Betesh

Ditto!! Fantastic work - thanks very much. Fintor 07:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
still really marvelous Fintor (talk) 12:01, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit to Genesis

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Your contact info

Hi Bill: You have not enabled your Wikipedia Email feature in your "tool box" on the left hand side of your user page. Sometimes editors overlook that when it's a useful way of staying in touch with other editors. Best wishes. Great work with all the Parshah articles, I am sure that you must have learned tons! Shabbat Shalom. IZAK 14:11, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Noahide Laws cleanup

Hi, I was hoping we could collaborate on cleaning splitting and writing up more articles related to 7mBn. I've tagged Noahide laws for a cleanup. I'm not rushing in, I've read them all up, I'm waiting for the readiness of a few others so we can take this on together, and have it featured on the main page sometime. Its possible, there are quite a few of us and will potentialy be a subject of interest. Again, I'm one for words and think the parent article should be Seven Laws of Noach, as in 'Sheva Mitzvas Bnei Noach'. Anything that is should be another 'ism'. Chavatshimshon 01:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, please join in the discussion on the Noahide Laws talk page about cleaning it up etc. Thanks! Chavatshimshon 08:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Palestinian rabbis

What does one make of the new Category:Palestinian rabbis and Category:Talmud rabbis in Palestine, should they be renamed to something like Category:Rabbis of ancient Palestine? so that it does not connect, and become confused with, the way the word "Palestinian" is used today (meaning the very unJewish modern Arab Palestinians, who have nothing to do with these rabbis!) Thanks. IZAK 09:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not using "Palestine" or "Palestinian" for Talmud and rabbis to avoid confusion

Note: Many articles about the rabbis of the Talmud and Mishnah are derived from the archaic Jewish Encyclopedia, published between 1901-1906, over one hundred years ago (when the Middle East was still under the thumb of the Ottoman Turks) and which used the archaic expressions "Palestine" when referring to the Land of Israel, and to the Jews living in the areas of the historical Land of Israel as "Palestinians." This is a big mistake that requires constant attention and correction, especially when copying and editing articles from the Jewish Encyclopedia or from similarly archaic sources such as Easton's Bible Dictionary (1897). At this time, no-one uses the term/s "Palestinian/s" (in relation to anything associated with Jews or the land they lived in and which they regarded as their homeland) nor by any type of conventional Jewish scholarship, particularly at the present time when the label "Palestinian" is almost entirely identified with the Palestinian Arabs who are mostly Muslims. Finally, kindly take note that the name Palestinian Talmud is also not used and it redirects to the conventional term Jerusalem Talmud used in Jewish scholarship. Thank you. IZAK 13:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not using "Palestine" or "Palestinian" for Talmud and rabbis

Makes sense, I'll try to remember. However, there was a period when everyone referred to the land of Israel as Palestine. Therefore, to say something like "in 1940 Shlomo Pines emigrated to Israel" would appear to be an anachronism. Don't we have to use the term "Palestine" during a certain period for historical accuracy? What is this period? From Roman conquest until 1948? Thanks. Dfass 15:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi Dfass: Note: The term "Land of Israel" is an old one of Biblical origin, whereas the name "Palestine" is considered offensive by many Jews because it was coined by the Romans after they crushed the Jews of Judea-- and needless to say today it refers exclusively to the Arab Palestinians and never to Jews. Note also that the "Land of Israel" article is not the same as the "Israel" article because the latter refers to the modern post-1948 Jewish state. My main concern was about rabbis from the Mishnaic and Talmudic eras, up until about a hundred years ago being called "Palestinians" on Wikipedia as a follow-through from the many articles that have been copied and pasted from the old Jewish Encyclopedia and which collectively create the wrong impression. Such are the hazards of relying on dated information, long-discarded terminology, and unsuitable writing and communication styles. Wikipedia as a modern encyclopedia should not be relying on archaic terms such as "Palestinian rabbis" that could potentially cause grave misunderstanding. I think that from the time of the British Mandate of Palestine, also shortened to "the British Mandate" and sometimes "Palestine," that Jews were associated with those terms from 1923 until 1948 when the modern State of Israel was declared. I hope that you have noted that I am most definitely NOT saying that whenever the Jewish Encyclopedia uses the term "Palestine" that the single word "Israel" should be used -- obviously I do not mean that because when Israel is used alone on Wikipedia it refers to the MODERN State of Israel only. On the other hand, what I am saying is that when the word "Palestine" is used in archaic sources that predate modern Israel, and when writing about Judaic topics that relate to the Middle Ages, Talmudic, or Biblical times, then the better, more accurate, less controversial term for Wikipedia to use is "Land of Israel" which is historically what the Jewish people, and everyone else in academic life, have and do still call it. Hope I have clarified myself, and thanks for caring. IZAK 12:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • OK, I think I get the drift. I will pay attention to it in the future. (Don't be so down on the Jewish Encyclopedia though! It's an incredible work, written by some tremendous scholars. I think these articles significantly raise the quality of Wikipedia, whether their English is somewhat archaic or not. If you compare a JE-borrowed Wikipedia article to one written by "the masses," you can't but be struck by the difference in quality and scholarship. The typical Jewish Wikipedian (myself included) is not capable of producing articles of anything like that caliber. Most Wikipedians cannot even be bothered to cite the sources for the couple of factoids they manage to dredge up from their memory of 10th grade.) Thanks again for the clarification. Dfass 15:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Hi Dfass: I am not down on the old Jewish Encyclopedia at all, and I fully agree with you that it is a more than masterly work of scholarship. But is was written in the context of the culture of over a hundred years ago as a product of the nineteenth century! My specific concern at this stage was only about how the meaning and application of the word/s "Palestine" and "Palestinian" are getting "lost in the cut-and-paste process" because one hundred years ago, "Palestinian" was used as an academic adjective as for example, together with "rabbis" ("Palestinian rabbi/s") or the Talmud ("Palestinian Talmud"). Up until 1948 the words "Palestine" and "Palestinians" still had application/s to Jews because of the existaence of the British Mandate of Palestine until 1948 in the territories of historically Jewish Land of Israel. Since then, the name "Palestine" and "Palestinians" has shed any connection to Jews and the modern Jewish State of Israel which was set up in contradistinction to an Arab Palestine. Particularly since the rise of the PLO (the Palestine Liberation Organization), following the 1967 Six-Day War, the term and notion of "Palestine" and "Palestinians" has become thoroughly and exclusively connected with the Arab Palestinians to the point that no-one (not in politics, academics, the media, religion, etc) associates the name "Palestine" and "Palestinians" with the Jews or Judaism, so that it can safely be said that the notion of a "Palestinian Jew" is an archaic anachronistic discarded notion. So when cutting and pasting articles from the one hundred year old Jewish Encyclopedia, one should not fall into a "time warp trap" by blindly pasting articles from it without some sensible updates, and not to inadvertantly recreate and foster terminology for Jews and Jewish Israelis that neither they nor the world accepts or recognizes. One needs to be conscious that the term "Land of Israel" is a well-established name that has survived for a long time and is still the preferred term of choice when speaking in modern terms, so that Jews not be confused with Arabs and vice versa. By speaking of the Category:Rabbis of the Land of Israel, meaning rabbis (or any Jews) associated with a historic geographic area, one also avoids problems such as calling pre-1948 rabbis or people "Israelites" -- used only for people in the Biblical era or "Israelis" -- which refers to citizens of the modern State of Israel. Thanks for your input. IZAK 07:47, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion

Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion FYI: Hi Tomer! A Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion has asserted itself in the Korban article. The project indicates that it is an umbrella project for all of religion and that the current religion projects are subprojects of it, yet its member directory lists only six members. Where is the project coming from? Is it a broadbased project, a very small group with a very big reach, or what? If you know some background or some of its people, would be much appreciated. Best, --Shirahadasha 03:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi Shira: I noticed this comment. Their assertion is outrageous and false and should be rejected and disputed to the full. There is no "supreme council of religion" on Wikipedia and there never will be. Each religion has its experts and contributors on Wikipedia and none of them will ever tolerate interference from outside busy-bodies. Judging by their user pages, the members of this "religion" project are obviously coming from a Christian POV and seems they now wish to "double dip," pretty funny actually. See my notice on that page, below. Thanks, and may the Lights of Chanukah dispel all ignorance and darkness. IZAK 10:48, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NOTICE and OBJECTIONS to WikiProject Religion vs. Judaism

Hi: Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion#Judaism. Thanks, IZAK 10:48, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NOTICE and OBJECTIONS:

  1. No-one has the right to take upon themselves to be the controlling "project" for every religion on Earth!
  2. Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism has been, and shall remain an independent project and will not accept interference in its work based on the assertion that editors not familiar with Judaism's traditions have a self-appointed "right" to interfere with Judaism-related articles by mere dint of being members of a "religion" project.
  3. So far, as of 12/21/06 the mere six members of this project, are mostly Christian, (as self-described on their user pages) and raises the question, why don't they do their work in Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity (81 members as of 12/21/06)? How can a project with six members "pass judgment" on other projects with one hundred and twenty four members?
  4. What will members of other projects, such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam (64 members as of 12/21/06) think and react when "religion project" editors will advise what's best for Islam-related articles or not?
  5. Note: Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism adheres to WP:NPOV and is one of the oldest Wikipedia projects with over one hundred and twenty members (as of 12/21/06), a number of whom are respected sysops as well, highly knowledgeable about many matters relating to Category:Jews and Judaism.
  6. It would not be advisable for anyone to interfere with Judaism-related articles or Hebrew Bible-related topics that ignores the broad based consensus and general agreement that exists between Jewishly-oriented editors of Judaic articles, many of which touch upon Jews because being Jewish includes being both a part of Judaism as well as being part of an ethnicity, and a project on "religion" alone cannot and does not have the scope to touch upon issues that effects not just Jews and Judaism, but also Israel and Jewish history, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Jewish history (with 33 members as of 12/21/06) and a broad range of related issues and projects, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Jewish culture (19 members as of 12/21/06) and Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel (23 members as of 12/21/06).
  7. Finally, Wikipedia is not the forum to create a de facto neo-"ecumenical project" which is only bound to cause confusion and resentment and will result in confusion and chaos and inevitabley violate Wikipedia:No original research; Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought; and Wikipedia:Avoid neologisms.

Thank you for taking this matter seriously. IZAK 09:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Parasha pages

I mentioned this once, but I will mention it again. I would really like to commend you on the beautiful parasha pages. I visit it each week, I print it out, along with other divrei torah that you provided the links to (the JTS, OU, URJ, Judaic Seminar etc.). My family and I enjoy it a lot and appreciate all your hard and creative work. Thank you.David Betesh

Bill, I wanted to ask you: are you familiar about The Weekly Maqam? The Sephardic Jews each week, base the songs of the services on the content of that weeks Parasha. Would you be interested in including that each week to your parasha pages. For example concerning last week's parasha. "For Sephardic Jews, Maqam Ajam, the maqam that expresses happiness, is applied to Parashat Beshallach commemorating the joy and song of the Israelites as they crossed the sea." Would you be interested if I develop one sentence on each parasha to be included on your parasha pages? David Betesh

Ok, it'll take a week or two, and I will not be doing every parasha, only those that have a clear connection between the story/theme of the parasha and the maqam of the week. I will insert them into each respective week. David Betesh

Ok, I did what I can for the time being. Let me know if you like it. I have only inserted the Weekly Maqam into the parashas in which I am certain 100% that the maqams and the explanations are undisputed. I will provide the maqams for the rest in the near future. Let me know what you think. Thank you. David Betesh

Beshalach

Wow. And, like, wow. What a wonderful job you're doing there. I'm stunned. --Dweller 23:15, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rabbinical Literature

Hey, thanks a ton! It's still a work in progress, as you can probably tell. But I really appreciate the kind words! —Dfass 19:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tehillim

Dear Sir,

I translate every week the work you have done on the parshiot on fr.wikipedia. Like everybody, I think that it is just one of the best things that can be done on wikipedia, and cleverly uses wikipedia's resources.

May I however suggest you to add in the further readings sections the parallels of the parshiot in the Book of Psalms? I think it is for example at this point that events in Egypt and the Israelites' attitude towards God and Moses are interpreted the way we know it nowadays. I mean : by reading Exodus' first parshiot, one could still contend that these are natural events reinterpreted and explain thus the defiance of the people against Moses until the Sea of Reeds; whereas Psalm 105 clearly presents these events in a way that admits no denial, safe by heresy, and Psalm 106 actually denigrates Israelites for having been of so little faith. In short, I think that in this way, Book of Psalms is a rereading of the Torah, a step further in religious thought

What do you think? --Inyan 12:49, 21 February 2007 (UTC) (Also available here)[reply]

Parsha en français

Thank you

At the moment, it is just at start level form most all of them, containing but a résumé, hafatarah, mitzvot, maqam and external links. I am planning to develop the further references in the text, in order to point to the specific reading each faith is making (we have the midrash, muslims have the Qur'an, christians the New Testament and christological interpretations, which are sometimes underlying their translations). I have started with Bereishit. Tell me what you think about it.

Yours--Inyan 12:41, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Sir, please continue to add links, it keeps me on going. More seriously, would you by chance have access to one on the articles you pointed, Tikva Frymer-Kensky. “The Atrahasis Epic and Its Significance for Our Understanding of Genesis 1–9.” Biblical Archaeologist. 40 (4) (1977)? This one is especially important in a culture such as the french one, which is very attracted by laicity, as you probably know. Yours thankfully--Inyan 21:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Serious discussions about using the names Reform vs. Progressive Judaism

Hi Bill: Please see the present discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countering systemic bias/open tasks#WikiProject Judaism needs help - geographical bias concerns. Your input would be greatly appreciated. (They are the result of discussions that unfolded at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Concern about duplicating Reform and Progressive labels.) I believe that you may be uniquely qualified to give some sound advice and input. There is a struggle between some editors whether the term "Progressive" should subsume the term "Reform" across the board. Thanks so much, IZAK 08:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

genesis

Could you join the discussion on the Talk:Genesis about moving the article and share your thoughts.--Rtphokie (talk) 07:12, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Jewish Barnstar

The Jewish Barnstar
Dear Bill: It is a true honor to present you with this Jewish Barnstar award, particularly for your diligence and skill in writing up the vast majority of the Weekly Torah portion articles and for the weekly upkeep of each week's Parashah in the Template:Torah portion. See Wikipedia:Barnstars: "The Jewish barnstar may be awarded to editors who greatly and positively contribute to articles relating to Jews and Judaism-related topics" -- you most certainly qualify and deserve recognition. Mazel Tov and thank you and keep on going strong! IZAK (talk) 15:12, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, your work is fabulous and admirable. I'm wondering, have you brought any of your articles up to GA level? Perhaps we could work on getting something for GA, e.g. Shoftim? Pls reply to my Talk. Thanks, HG | Talk 12:49, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again. Maybe we can get somebody to give it an initial assessment so we can gauge the work involved. How about if we start with Mishpatim? I do have a general concern: How can we possibly claim to cover rabbinic interpretation of even the highlights, or maybe there's a secondary/tertiary source that would identify the key interpretations for us? Sometimes you've listed the tractate that deals with a section (e.g., Sukkah), but that seems more like background info that encyclopedic narrative, if you know what I mean. (Sometimes you have similar info in further reading.) Thanks, terrific articles, HG | Talk 19:15, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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This newsletter was automatically delivered because you are a member of one or more Judaism related WikiProjects. If you would like to opt out of future mailings, please remove your name from this list. As always, please direct all questions, comments, requests, barnstars, offers of help, and angry all-caps anti-semitic rants to my talk page. Thanks, and have a great month. L'Aquatique[approves|this|message] 20:31, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your Edits to Parsha Bamidbar

In the Modern section at the bottom you include a link to a RFK speech. I read the part you referenced and I don't see the connection. Swingout (talk) 10:08, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good work

You're doing good work in the parshot hashavua. Keep up the good work! Debresser (talk) 00:30, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Printable parasha hashevuah.

I am trying to make a printable version of all the parsha hashuvah articles. See [[1]]. Because of the way external links print, I am editing the articles to remove direct links machon mamre bible verse and replacing them with bibleverse templates. I am also removing direct links to for the mishna since the link is not the source and the source is well known. Please see this edit for an idea of what I am doing. Also I expanding the bible verse template to have printable versions (Template:Bibleverse-nb/Print, and Template:Bibleverse/Print) to make bible verse more print friendly. Jon513 (talk) 15:03, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I understand the reasoning behind linking to mishna links. It makes it easier for online reader. At the same time it implies a certain authority to the link which is unwarranted. It almost saying that this link is the place for mishna; this website is the source and other sites (and books) are copies of this website.
There was a similar problem with ISBN numbers being linked to amazon.com. On the one hand it is very convenient for users who want to know more about the book, but it is also in some way unseemly to cite amazon as the source for books. The solution was to create Special:BookSources which links to all book information on the internet. I think that would be the best solution both for bible verses and for minsha sources. It give the reader appropriate links without forcing a choice on them.
Until there is a better technical solution I think it is best to not link sources to website that are not really the source. Jon513 (talk) 19:23, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

External links should not be in a navbox, this is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:External links. In addition, the navbox had far too many links, many of which may not meet our criteria at WP:EL anyway. Thank you. Dougweller (talk) 16:44, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Dauster. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Finding a HEBREW name

Hi. I'm going to write an article about one of Solomon's companions whose name is "Asif bin Barkhia" (Arabic:آصف بن برخیا).I need your help to find it's proper HEBREW name.could you find it please? Bbadree (talk) 18:33, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I see you are adding links to the Soncino talmud in English, which, in general, is a good thing. However, perhaps you were unaware that the site you were using, come-and-hear, is actually rather anti-semitic. Could you please replace those links with the ones found here: http://www.halakhah.com/, a site which is neither "anti-Semitic or polemical". Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 15:43, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing that out to me. I was not aware of the problem. But now that I am, I will start systematically changing the links on the parshah pages. Thanks again. -- Dauster (talk) 23:04, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much, Dauster. -- Avi (talk) 00:27, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to echo Avi's thanks. Jayjg (talk) 03:12, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, IZAK (talk) 06:08, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Final arguments in COI complaint against Yehoishophot Oliver, Shlomke, Zsero, Debresser

The WP:COI complaint of pro-Chabad POV editing and violations of WP:OWN in Chabad-related articles against Users Yehoishophot Oliver (talk · contribs) and Shlomke (talk · contribs) and Zsero (talk · contribs) and Debresser (talk · contribs), is now in its final stages as admins review it. The debate and discussions have expanded greatly since their start. If any outside party still wishes to add their comments and observations, now is the time. New sections have been added at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#User:Yehoishophot Oliver. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 06:09, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is everything okay?

When I noticed that Portal:Judaism/Weekly Torah portion hadn't been updated again for a second week, I looked and noticed that you've made no edits at all for the past couple weeks!

Is all well with you? Please let me know if I can be of help.

Good Shabbos. —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 17:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your kind note. I have just returned from a trip to Israel, where I did not have the time to keep up my Wikipedia duties. I hope to resume my regular schedule now. Thanks again. I appreciate it. -- Dauster (talk) 10:57, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am very glad all is well! Hoping you enjoyed your trip - it had to have been interesting considering recent events! Glad you're back! —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 12:38, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! -- Dauster (talk) 01:13, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weekly Torah Portion

Hey Dauster, I just stumbled upon the parsha template and noticed that you manually update it invariably each week. Would you be interested in some system that will automatically update it? I have an idea in mind that would involve just one edit each year. 930913 (UTC) ‏ה' {{subst:hebrewmonth}} תשפ"ה ‎05:25

Thanks for your thoughtful offer. So what would the system you have in mind do? -- Dauster (talk) 02:18, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Good morning Dauster! This greeting will change depending on the time that you view it. I can do a similar thing so that it will change each week (this is week number 1 of the year). 930913 (Congratulate/Complaints) 02:39, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Cool. Alas, the calendar for when a Torah portion comes up is pretty darned complicated, and thus the program would take a good deal of work. In the meantime, I am happy to keep updating by hand. Thanks again for the kind offer. -- Dauster (talk) 02:43, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's why there would need to be a set up edit about once a year. This would link each week to the sedra. It is not too difficult to have it change at midnight on Friday night/Shabbat morning for the next week. 930913 (Congratulate/Complaints) 03:02, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Very good. The program for which sedra comes up next appears on (among other sites) Hebcal. By now, the content that we know will change is mostly the date of the Sabbath. I can supply a set of 54 articles, plus combinations of double parshiot. The rest would be Greek to me. -- Dauster (talk) <style>span.GerbrantEditRegexReplaceHit{font-weight:bold;background:lightsteelblue}span.GerbrantEditRegexReplaceHitOff{font-weight:bold;background:mistyrose}span.GerbrantEditRegexReplaceMaskFailed{font-weight:normal;color:red}</style>10:52, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If you start putting the respective content (correct for this year) into Portal:Judaism/Weekly_Torah_portion/Devarim, Portal:Judaism/Weekly_Torah_portion/Vaetchanan etc. I can start to make the system. I'll start it off in my userspace at User:A930913/Parsha(Automagical update: Done) and then move it when it works. 930913 (Congratulate/Complaints) 18:33, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Roger that. It will take a bit of time. Thanks again. -- Dauster (talk) 23:48, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't mean to rush you, but I'm going on Machane in a week. The autoupdate template is ready, it changes on Shabbat afternoon (around mincha time). Even if you do a few weeks, I can link it in and it will update while I'm away, and then we can continue afterwards. 930913 (Congratulate/Complaints) 15:14, 18 July 2010 (UTC) [reply]

I've created those pages for the next 8 week, through Yom Kippur. Please let me know if it looks right to you. -- Dauster (talk) 19:25, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Lovely, we just need to keep an eye out in case it malfunctions. Other than that, we shouldn't have to edit it for the next few weeks 930913 (Congratulate/Complaints) 05:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your good thought and work. -- Dauster (talk) 10:34, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. Anything else you are manually updating regularly? 930913 (Congratulate/Complaints) 16:27, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing comes to mind. But I appreciate your offer. -- Dauster (talk) 21:45, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've plotted out through the end of December. Does something funky need to be done to Portal:Judaism/Weekly Torah portion after that? If you could plot out the format further, I would appreciate it. And l'shana tova. -- Dauster (talk) 10:46, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've added some code so that it will go beyond 51 for next year, I hope it works, but it might need a retouch at the end of the year. Shana tova, 930913 (Congratulate/Complaints) 23:13, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! And may you, we, and the site all have a sweet year. -- Dauster (talk) 23:19, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've noticed that sometimes the server doesn't always update the page and it needs to be purged. Would it be worth having at the top 'Wrong portion? Click here to purge'? 930913 (Congratulate/Complaints) 11:02, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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you're welcome. someone else added it to Death panel so i just saw the need and brought it over. i see a user (who i think can be too bold sometimes) has removed some material at IPAB (including what i added). perhaps they are appropriate. i'll keep an eye on the talk page to see if you comment, thanks. Jesanj (talk) 02:54, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Xlnt. Thanks for keeping an eye on that. I am comfortable with the recent changes by Hauskalainen, although I suspect that Intermittentgardener may have a different view. Thanks again. -- Dauster (talk) 10:36, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello again. In case you didn't see, I added this section to the talk page because I thought some of the content was not sourced or on-topic. Could you comment? Or maybe provide additional source(s)? Thanks. Jesanj (talk) 13:30, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I replied in that section. I don't doubt you. But, as you know, we have to have sources. If your job doesn't restrict it maybe you could write an op-ed (here's a recent one from a Henry Aaron[2]) or a blog (because Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications) and then we could use it in the article. Or here's an idea that might work: self-publish a user subpage like User:Dauster/IPAB and then we could attribute it to you. Jesanj (talk) 14:21, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There was a footnote with the source, the Finance Committee page. Dauster (talk) 09:49, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't follow. I was talking about when you said "It is important to understanding the creation of IPAB to know that it started as a bipartisan proposal", if that makes a difference. Could you reply at the talk page to the question(s) there? Thanks. Jesanj (talk) 12:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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User:Dauster, I will help fight to keep the Noach (parsha) page! We are going to have to stand together on this one. My voice alone may not be strong enough. Jasonasosa (talk) 13:37, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I'm sorry I didn't get your message on the talk page about holding off on "gutting" the article. Even though I stuck my knife into it... I had to in order to make my final decision on it. Due to the sensitivity of the subject, I tried to be easy on the knife by making some improvements to the article rather than just stripping it apart. Please understand. Thanks, Jasonasosa (talk) 13:58, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. I know you are on the right side of this. -- Dauster (talk) 17:38, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, this is the second TB notice. But at this point, look at what I wrote back to Cullen328, even though it is really meant for both of you. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:58, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again. -- Dauster (talk) 18:01, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I blew the previous: I posted the TB template but failed to save the content over on my page. But I've done so now, and would greatly appreciate your thoughts. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:16, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
User:Mann_jess almost convinced me that the parsha pages were worthless... I'm very glad I was not swayed... as I was careful in my initial edit of the Noach parsha page. I'm very happy that we stuck together and fought for these pages. It was a good fight and we won! Had we lost this one, we would have lost them all. This was a big victory for the future of the Parshas on wiki. Thanks,   — Jasonasosa 06:12, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much for your kind note and your constructive input. I very much appreciate it. -- Dauster (talk) 09:38, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for all your efforts to improve and develop material related to the weekly Torah portions. John Carter (talk) 17:30, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't check your record, so I don't know whether you have already gotten the Jewish barnstar, and I assumed that you did. If you haven't, I would wonder why, because I think you certainly have earned it.

Yes, I know that I may be someone you see as being the biggest adversary in the dispute about those articles, and I will be honest that maybe I am. I just hope that you know that my disagreement with the articles existing in the encyclopedia is more motivated by my concern about the deluge of POV forking that I anticipate regarding similar articles relating to the Bible, Bhagavad Gita, Vedas, Puranas, and other sources, with probable separate articles regarding each individual related group's individual spin on each of them, than in any sort of reservation about the quality or utility of the material of these articles themselves. If I am wrong, which for the reasons above I hope I'm not, like I said, I intend to copy your efforts with similar articles for each of the groups that don't have them yet. I think you can see I wouldn't want to do that if I thought they were useless or do not deserve to exist somewhere.

I would love to see articles devotional practices of Judaism, and of many if not most other religious groups. Hell, I would love to see matching articles for every subject which has articles in multiple specialist encyclopedias. And I am stunned at the number we still don't have, or have in very poor quality. {{Narses of Kla]] is one of the latter. When I first saw that he had an article in the Christianity content of the Eliade/Jones Encyclopedia of Religion, my reaction was "wtf? who?" But he is important, I guess, and we have at least a stub on him, which is more than can be said about several articles that source has we don't have at all. I wish circumstances allowed us to work on them. But at the same time I think we have to try to enforce our guidelines to keep us from being overrun with trivial articles. I don't think the weekly Torah readings are "trivial" or anything like that, but I do think similar articles about the liturgical readings of some of the really small Christian denominations would be, and "slippery slope" arguments would probably let them qualify for inclusion if these articles remain. Unfortunately.

Anyway, thank you for the effort, and you have my strongest hope that the content of the article remains somewhere in the WF. I would myself be more than happy to help if they wind up being moved elsewhere, and maybe add to them based on the sources I have.

Oh, I think you made a good choice of colleges. I went to USC myself. And thanks again. John Carter (talk) 17:30, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And my daughter is a senior at USC now, too. ;-) -- Dauster (talk) 09:39, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Parsha articles

I would be willing to help develop the articles in an encyclopedic fashion if I knew of any encyclopedic sources which had extensive content on them. Unfortunately, I don't. I have in fact checked just about every religious reference book available to me, and there are a lot of them, for encyclopedic articles on them, or any of the other liturgical readings of other faiths. So far, I haven't seen any. Given your position in Washington, I'm thinking maybe you probably have access to some I don't. Honestly, without extant guidelines on how such articles could be constructed, and the Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion/Manual of style is only a proposal at this point, I don't have any clear idea how to proceed. Unfortunately.

I know that the next couple of months are probably going to be among the busiest for you, given your profession. But, at this point, although I will try to hit some of the seminary libraries around town here, I don't know what to do to help improve the articles, other than to hope that someone finds some reference sources with articles on such topics that can be used as some form of template.

Anyway, if I am right about your schedule in the future, best of luck with your work, although I think we both hope that luck per se winds up not playing a bigger role than necessary. John Carter (talk) 01:14, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, John, for your offer to help and good wishes. I've started work to revise the articles along the ways that I perceive the group discussed, and have been working through Deuteronomy, which is read this time of year. So far, I've revised Devarim, Va'etchanan, Eikev, Re'eh, Shoftim, Ki Teitzei, Ki Tavo, and Nitzavim. After I plow through the balance of Deuteronomy, I'll turn to Genesis (as is the Jewish practice). Thanks again for the good wishes for the fall events in my job (for which I must admit that I keep my fingers crossed, as well). All the best -- Dauster (talk) 09:38, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Mishneh Torah: Hilchot Teshuvah: The Laws of Repentance

Hi, Dauster:

Let's see whether I can concisely explain the edit to numerous Torah-related articles today.

The original problem concerns citations for Mishneh Torah: Hilchot Teshuvah: The Laws of Repentance, specifically the invalid ISBN 0940118-48-9 Parameter error in {{ISBN}}: checksum; it causes a checksum error, which appears on listings for Checkwiki.

On previous days, I could not find an exact fix for this invalid ISBN, so I replaced it with {{oclc|28239393}} {{asin|B000AO991C}}.

For the thousands of ISBNs that I've fixed, only ONE has been nagging at me--Mishneh Torah: Hilchot Teshuvah: The Laws of Repentance. Today, another invalid ISBN 0940118-48-9 Parameter error in {{ISBN}}: checksum appeared, so I decided to double my efforts to find a suitable ISBN. I settled on 978-0-940118-20-1.

You can see that 978-0-940118-20-1 is not an exact fix; it ends with "20" rather than "48". However, it does point to the proper edition of Mishneh Torah: Hilchot Teshuvah: The Laws of Repentance.

Today, I went back to every Torah-related article that I've edited...and I encountered along the way more instances of the invalid ISBN 0940118-48-9 Parameter error in {{ISBN}}: checksum in other articles. Here's the fix that I've settled upon:

{{oclc|28239393}} {{asin|B000AO991C}} ISBN 978-0-940118-20-1

Although ISBNs are the the preferred choice because they create a link to the "Book sources" page, for Mishneh Torah: Hilchot Teshuvah: The Laws of Repentance, ISBN 978-0-940118-20-1 appears last in the fix because 1) it's not an exact fix and 2) its "Book sources" page gives no hits for Amazon or WorldCat. However, it does provide a hit on Google Books.

oclc appears first in the fix because it's my #2 preferred choice. A page on WorldCat offers many links for a document (second only to an ISBN and its "Book sources" page).

asin uses Amazon's unique id for Mishneh Torah: Hilchot Teshuvah: The Laws of Repentance because Amazon does not have this book indexed by an ISBN.

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Second round of extensive ISBN edits

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Chizkuni: Torah Commentary. Translated and annotated by Eliyahu Munk, volume 4 ISBN 1602-802-612 Parameter error in {{ISBN}}: checksum ISBN 978-1-60280-261-2
Koren Talmud Bavli: Tractate Berakhot. Commentary by Adin Even-Israel (Steinsaltz), volume 1 ISBN 965-301-5630 Parameter error in {{ISBN}}: checksum
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ISBN 965-301-563-0 Parameter error in {{ISBN}}: checksum 		ISBN 978-965-301-563-0
Mishneh Torah: Hilchot Avodat Kochavim V’Chukkoteihem: The Laws of the Worship of Stars and their Statutes ISBN 0940118-48-8 Parameter error in {{ISBN}}: checksum OCLC 23834932 ASIN B000L88PUS
Mishneh Torah: Hilchot De'ot: The Laws of Personality Development: and Hilchot Talmud Torah: The Laws of Torah Study ISBN 0940118-48-7 Parameter error in {{ISBN}}: checksum OCLC 122956037 ASIN B00071PPDE (1991)
Mishneh Torah: Hilchot Yesodei HaTorah: The Laws [which Are] the Foundations of the Torah ISBN 0940118-48-6 Parameter error in {{ISBN}}: checksum ISBN 978-0-940118-41-6
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Weekly Torah Portion section of Portal

Shalom aleikhem, Dauster:

You seem to be the one who has been working on these things recently, so I thought I'd approach you on this topic.

Please have a look at my sandbox, as well as its two subpages User:StevenJ81/sandbox/testpage and User:StevenJ81/sandbox/WTpI. The purpose of this is to reduce the amount of oversight this section of the portal page requires going forward. The specific things that it accomplishes are:

  • Making the section about the parsha transclude with the correct dates perpetually, without the need to update each parsha's page every year. (At most, it would require the page cache to be refreshed, and it may not even require that.)
  • Adding a footer pointing to the parsha in Israel when it differs from that outside Israel (as is currently true).
  • Reducing the number of pages requiring manual oversight to one (the driving template at Portal:Judaism/Weekly Torah portion itself).

I suppose the one negative to this approach is that opening any of the individual parsha pages ([[:Portal:Judaism/Weekly Torah portion/xxx]]) will display the current week's dates, no matter what time of year it is. But my assumption here is that people don't visit these short description pages except when going through the portal during that particular week of the year. If people are looking for information about any parsha in general terms, they'll go to the standard page in article space.

Let me know what you think about this approach. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:47, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Steven, you appear to have done a nice job addressing this. I appreciate your work on this. -- Dauster (talk) 10:11, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. So far, I have adjusted the main template through 5776, imported the "Weekly Torah portion in Israel" subpage into the Portal space, and edited all of the "Weekly Torah portion/xxx" pages that are sometimes read on different dates in Israel and chutz la'aretz (Vayakhel through Masei, including both combined and separate parshiot, and including Pesach Day VIII). I think I'll leave things alone for a couple of weeks now and make sure everything is working properly before I update the rest of the parsha pages.
I also created portal pages for "Shavuot Day II" and "Chukat-Balak"; these don't happen for a while, but I decided to do this while I was paging through the parshiot of that time of year.
The links to the Conservative movement Torah commentaries are all stale. Any thoughts about how to handle? If we find live links, you don't happen to have a bot that can update all the pages automatically, do you? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:34, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Steven, for flagging those dead JTS links. I'll systematically start to address those. -- Dauster (talk) 23:37, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good. In order to be efficient about it, we should leave each other the basic coding of what we're doing, so that we don't have to go into the parsha pages twice. As I said, I've done the year between Vayakhel and Masei. Once you've found live links for these Conservative-movement pages—they're not all JTS, I don't think—there's no reason I shouldn't fix them once I jump back in at Devarim and work my way back around to Ki Tissa. In any event, שבת שלום. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:12, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
שבת שלום Steven. Dauster (talk) 14:00, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Parsha/ Parashah disambiguation

Hi,

First off thanks again for your excellent and very hard work. I read it weekly.

I have noticed that your article titles use "parsha", and the body uses "parashah". Also in Wikipedia, "Parsha" redirects to "Parashah". You may want to consider switching the titles to match the body to avoid any confusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vitzijak (talk • contribs) 15:14, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Vitzijak. I do think that "parashah" is the truer transliteration. But others have changed the names of the pages, and I hesitate to make a change like that with all the downstream effects. Thanks, again. -- Dauster (talk) 22:04, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Early nonrabinnic interpretations

Hi, I have recently noticed this section.

I understand there may be significant history and controversy regarding this. I question whether this section is on or off topic. While it obviously refers to the parashah, the interpretive lens and purpose is vastly different from other rabbinical and more modern sources that are inherent in your topic. Thus it may be divergent enough from the overall historical study of this parashah as to be considered its own/different topic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vitzijak (talk • contribs) 22:03, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the guidance, Vitzijak. -- Dauster (talk) 16:50, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dauster,

I saw you undid my earlier deletion. I understand your viewpoint, but I still think it is off topic and should be removed. "Parashah", and therefore the Parashah page, is inherently and largely exclusively a Jewish interpretation of biblical text. While I agree diversity of opinion is important and useful for this interpretation there is a big difference between adding more essential non religious or external interpetation (such as old and new scholarly work), and nonessential interpretations which could be considered antithetical to the whole idea of Parashah.

I really don't see how this adds anything to the article. Please reconsider its (and similar entry) deletion or movement to its own page.

Thanks Vitzijak (talk) 20:47, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Vitzijak. I am concerned that your position reduces into antipathy toward Christian sources even when they buttress Jewish concepts in the parashah. But I am not looking for an edit war, and will find other interpretations to add. -- Dauster (talk) 12:05, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dauster,

While I do truly appreciate your concern and agree that we need to be hypervigilant to negative bias, the significance of your assertion is powerful and without any supportive evidence. I also have no interest in an edit war, nor have I started one. Perhaps I am reading too much into your comment due to the nature of written discussion, but I believe your statement merits a response, at least to clear my head. A review of my numerous reasonably regular small positive edits on multiple topics over multiple years would point to my being a positive editor. I have also brought up this topic in a positive thoughtful talk page, and made these deletions only once and with edit commentary. I believe your assertion is unfounded.

I believe the issue here is not source bias, but rather page definition. I think a reasonable definiton of "Parashah" is a Jewish interpretation of a defined section of bible- something that might be found in any reasonable Jewish torah commentary from any number of Jewish denominations. I think the sections we are discussing fall distinctly under Messianic Judiasm, which has it's own wikipedia page. I struggle to see how those comments would be found in any jewish denomination's torah commentary - perhaps I am wrong.

I must further note for the record wikipedia's quote: "All denominations of Judaism, as well as national Jewish organizations, reject Messianic Judaism as a form of Judaism.[18][20][243"

I do not intend any counter assertion from the above, but am making a point as to the can of worms that I am trying to close to help keep the Parashah pages on topic.

I really do appreciate your excellent and thoughtful work, and am trying to keep wiki space a positive one in this obviously controversial topic as we continue to improve wikipedia. I sincerely hope that you interpret this in a positive way.

Best, Vitzijak Vitzijak (talk) 15:54, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I do not question your motives, Vitzijak. And in the other direction, I should note that not all uses of Christian sources evince Messianic Judaism. I've agreed to you proposal and we can leave it at that and move on. Be well. -- Dauster (talk) 10:32, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Portal/Weekly Torah Portion

Hi, Bill. First, גמר חתימה טובה to you. I noticed you are involved at Beth El in Bethesda. My late teens and early twenties were spent at Har Shalom in Potomac, way before it became the gigantic place it is now. It was truly tiny when I first went there. If you can date it (and me) from that, hamevin yavin.

Mostly, I wanted to let you know that I updated all of the portal pages in Bereshit to the universal date template format I started putting in place during the summer. I think the only things that are left to do in that regard are (most of) Sefer Shemot, along with putting in a few additional pages for other year configurations (mostly the RH-Sukkot-SA-on Shabbat configuration, which we are still four years away from). When I create those pages, I'm simply going to cut-and-paste from the appropriate parsha pages. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:34, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much Steven, for your kind note and useful work on the portal pages. I really appreciate it. And גמר חתימה טובה to you, as well. Be well. Dauster (talk) 10:49, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Suggestion for intro sentence order in parashahs

Hi,

When I read the intros in the parashah page and get to numbers of words and letters, my eyes tend to glaze over and I often miss the more important parashah summary. Might I suggest the order be switched so it looks like:

Toledot, Toldos, or Tol'doth (תּוֹלְדֹת — Hebrew for "generations" or "descendants," the second word and the first distinctive word in the parashah) is the sixth weekly Torah portion (פָּרָשָׁה, parashah) in the annual Jewish cycle of Torah reading. The parashah tells of the conflict between Jacob and Esau, of Isaac's passing off his wife Rebekah as his sister, and of Isaac's blessing of his sons.

It constitutes Genesis 25:19–28:9. The parashah is made up of 5,426 Hebrew letters, 1,432 Hebrew words, and 106 verses, and can occupy about 173 lines in a Torah Scroll (סֵפֶר תּוֹרָה, Sefer Torah).[1] Jews read it the sixth Sabbath after Simchat Torah, generally in November, or rarely in early December.[2]

As always, thanks for your great work! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vitzijak (talk • contribs) 02:09, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Vitzijak. That's a good idea. I'll start making that change week by week as I go through. Thanks again. -- Dauster (talk) 10:32, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

...and while we're on the subject...

You're welcome. I think at this point I've made it all the way around the year on the Portal subpages, substituting the "perpetual" code for specific dates. The only ones left to do, I think, are the holiday ones (the ones where Shabbat is a Yom Tov). Shabbat Chol Hamoed Pesach, the one you just saw, is done, but I'll check on the rest.

While I'm at it, I'm fixing up the French portal pages on the parsha, and connecting the French, Hebrew and English versions on Wikidata. (Those are the only three wikis where I've found portal versions; if you find others, let me know.) שבוע טוב. StevenJ81 (talk) 00:09, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

excellent. Good job, StevenJ81! -- Dauster (talk) 03:28, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

critical analysis sub section

Hi Dauster,

Thanks for your ongoing improvements!

I see you undid the critical analysis title deletion I made.

To me, this subsection is confusing as the contents are essentially the same as the modern interpretation section above. Also as critical analysis is all modern, to me it makes more sense to have it all under modern, or at least a subsection under modern, so then it would stay in line with the other time based subsections.

Best, Vitzijak — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vitzijak (talk • contribs) 17:46, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]


My apologies; after further review, it appears I was mistaken and many parsha articles have a subsection in critical analysis, so Naso's was not an anomaly.

I still makes sense to me have this section under modern, but it is a trifle... :)

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vitzijak (talk • contribs) 22:10, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Shana tova/mo'ed tov and a suggestion for next year

Hi, Bill, and mo'ed tov to you.

I was thinking that it would be worth creating a [[Portal:Judaism/Weekly Torah portion/V'zot Haberacha]] (or however you'd spell it). If you compare Portal:Judaism/Weekly Torah portion to its French and Hebrew counterparts, you'll see that they're set up to show V'zot Haberacha as the parashah through Simchat Torah, then switch to Bereshit for the rest of the week. (The coding in the Hebrew version is more elaborate, but I assume it changes over either Thursday night after the hour in the שקיעה template over there or else on Friday. The coding in the French version changes over for Saturday.) Since you've worked on most of these summaries for the Portal, I thought I'd ask you about this one. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:09, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much, StevenJ81. That's a good thought. While I could create the content, I am afraid that the coding to make it work is beyond me. Thanks again. -- Dauster (talk) 10:24, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If you create the content, I'll make it work. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:32, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, StevenJ81. I've put some content at Portal:Judaism/Weekly Torah portion/V'Zot HaBerachah. Thanks again. -- Dauster (talk) 18:11, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Have a peek. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:03, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, StevenJ81. -- Dauster (talk) 23:54, 14 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Portal Parashah pages

I happen to be in Eretz Yisrael now, and I discovered that the automatic dating code I put in on these pages fails during the period between Saturday 12:00 UTC, when the Parshah changes, and Sunday 00:00 UTC. During that period, it says "next week's Parshah," but on today's date. So I'll figure out a fix in the next little while. StevenJ81 (talk) 08:06, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much Steven. You are doing a real service and have skills far beyond mine on this. Thanks again. -- Dauster (talk) 12:50, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Update (over a year later): You're welcome. I finally started copying the revised code from Shemini, where I tested it a year ago, to the rest of Vayikra (following), plus the three Pesach subpages. I'll finish that little chore over the next several weeks. But more work to do: I have to create the subpages for Shabbat on Shavuot II, Rosh Hashanah, Sukkot and Shemini Atzeret, because we finally get those in 2020. Anyway, שבת שלום וחג שמח! StevenJ81 (talk) 22:00, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Text sandwiched between images

Hi Bill, your image-layout style tends to sandwich text quite severely between images, for example in the article Shemot (parsha) where several paragraphs, and even a few section headers, are sandwiched between two images. This makes text flow a little erratic. Please consider, in articles with many images, placing the images in a gallery or at least not placing images at both sides of a paragraph or header. Bright☀ 09:15, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Bright☀. I appreciate your good counsel and will try to address your suggestion systematically as I edit through the coming Torah readings. Thanks again. -- Dauster (talk) 10:24, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Pinechas

Hi Dauster,

You are absoloutely right. Somehow when I was reviewing this, I stopped at the fifth aliyah dealing with more priestly issues, and so didn’t see how the comment fit. It fits well, especiialy with the daughters of Zelophehad earlier. My apologies, I have undone it.

Another thing I have noticed is that throughout the article, Pinechas is spelled many different ways, sometimes in the same paragraph. I know you start with a spelling disambiguation, but perhaps a find and replace could be done to unify all spellings to the title spelling of Pinechas?

Best, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vitzijak (talk • contribs) 16:12, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Vitzijak. Good suggestion. Dauster (talk) 16:45, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I didn't realize that I deleted all those sections

Hi Dauster,

I was just using the Bare Reference Refill 2 tool on long pages. I had no idea that so much material was being deleted. I'm happy to fix it, if you wish. I'm so sorry. Hammelsmith (talk) 17:00, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Dauster (talk) 21:14, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Dauster, is there anything you can please do to clean up all the blatant inaccuracies in this abomination: Superstition in Judaism. Thanks so much, IZAK (talk) 22:59, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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