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Main event = final match?
This rule has produced some ridicuous results on some pages, for example light comic releif match Steiner & Missy vs Arn and Paul E as "main event" of the 1991 Great American Bash instead of the Luger/Windham world title match and various borderline TV enhancement matches as "main events" of SNME, which was deliberately structured (a la Saturday Night Live) to have the big Hulk Hogan world title defence at the start so that viewers could doze off in front of the support bouts afterwards. Some of these pages have had the main event relabelled "final match" but I think something should be done about this with this here style guide which seems to be at the root of the problem.Romomusicfan (talk) 11:02, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Number of reigns in the reigns table for tag team championships
Currently, the way we address an individual who has multiple reigns with a championship but different partners for those reigns, we list them in the reigns table as:
And in the "Reigns" column itself, we just put the number for the team only, so with the above example, it's just 1.
I've always found this to be odd. An issue with this is that we don't have any kind of key that actually says what that small number means. We just assume the reader is going to understand.
Something we've been doing over at List of current champions in WWE is that under that reigns column for a tag team, we put the reign number for the team and then in small text under that in parentheses, we have the individual numbers for each person if different.
Attaching them next to the wrestler names in the Champions column makes it clear who the reign number belongs to, but it is not immediately clear what that number means to an uninformed reader. Separating them from the overall reign number is also a bit strange functionally and aesthetically.
Attaching them to the Reign column makes it clear that there is a discrepancy with the overall reign number. However, this column is both disconnected from the wrestler names and is such a far distance away that it is not immediately clear which reign number refers to which wrestler. I just looked at one list and frequently had to double-check who was listed in which order to correlate the specific number.
Still, If I HAD to choose one approach, I suppose the second option would be better (moving individual reigns to the Reign column, in parenthesis). Prefall03:07, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Prefall what if we made a separate key for tag team championship articles in which the description for Reigns for the second option, it would cover what the parenthetical numbers mean and those numbers are in order based on the order of the individuals. Or just update the current key to reflect that. JDC808♫03:59, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, |team=yes already exists, so we could add something like:
Key
Wrestler (NUM)
NUM refers to the reign number for the specific wrestler
Could maybe take it a step further and change mentions of "champion" to "team" in the key/table header for extra clarity. (E.g., "Reign number for the specific champion" -> "Reign number for the specific team" in the Reigns key) Prefall13:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As long as we have something shows both the team reign and the individual reign, then I'm happy. But we do need something, because it needs to be pointed out - for example - that even though this is Ronda Rousey and Shayna Baszler's first reign as a team, it's Baszler's third reign individually. Can't just say it's Rousey and Baszler's first reign and leave it at that. Vjmlhds(talk)04:04, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Prefall wait, which did you implement? I thought individual reigns were going under the Reigns column as well (in parentheses), but it looks as if the key was updated to say what the number by the name means. JDC808♫22:50, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@JDC808: I'm confused. I implemented what I see is the only proposal in this section (the addition to the Key). Vjmlhds changed something on a specific article (which uses a completely different format to our championship history tables), but no verbiage or anything was relayed. Prefall23:00, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Something we've been doing over at List of current champions in WWE is that under that reigns column for a tag team, we put the reign number for the team and then in small text under that in parentheses, we have the individual numbers for each person if different.
I propose we start doing this for all tag team championship article.
And then (which was in regards to the Reigns column):
what if we made a separate key for tag team championship articles in which the description for Reigns for the second option, it would cover what the parenthetical numbers mean and those numbers are in order based on the order of the individuals. Or just update the current key to reflect that.
You had noted issues with both approaches (the current and my proposal), but said you leaned more towards all the numbers being in the Reigns column. I thought your proposal to the Key was to make it clear what all the numbers in the Reigns column meant. JDC808♫23:11, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@JDC808: From reading it back, I see I misread your response to my initial comment, and I think you misread my counter-proposal in turn. My mock-up proposal was an alternate approach to keep the status quo and explain the numbers in parenthesis beside the wrestler's names (hence "Wrestler (NUM)").
Crossed wires aside, I'm still fine with your proposal. But we need a new explanation for the Reigns column in the Key. Prefall23:26, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Prefall that appears to be what happened. As for a new explanation. When team is set to yes, the description for the Reign column could say "Reign number for the specific team. Parenthetical numbers beneath indicate reign number of the individuals if different from team number." Or something along those lines. JDC808♫01:13, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@JDC808: How about "Reign number for the specific team—reign numbers for the individuals are in parenthesis, if different"? Tried to make it as concise as possible. Prefall10:51, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It appears that a standard needs to be implemented for listing appearances on the PWI Tag Team 100 (previously PWI Tag Team 50). Many individual wrestler's pages list both their highest ranking in the PWI 500 and the PWI Tag Team 100 under Championships and accomplishments. See Jey Uso, Fénix (wrestler), Marti Belle, etc... I have seen the tag team listing for Mikey Nicholls, however, reverted multiple times for reasons of claiming it belonging under the tag teams page or 'prove it's notable'. I would like to see the style guide updated from "With regards to the PWI 500 and PWI Women's 250 rankings, only the wrestler's highest position is noted", to "With regards to the PWI 500, PWI Women's 250, and PWI Tag Team rankings, only the wrestler's highest position in each ranking is listed". I don't understand why a tag team wrestler's listing as in individual wrestler would warrant listing, and tag team championships won would warrant listing, but tag team rankings would not.Chuffman.mt (talk) 17:28, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The rankings are for tag teams, and tag teams ONLY. They are not individual accomplishments so they don't belong on the individual's articles because they aren't notable to the career of the individual one on one. Furthermore, championships do appear on a wrestler's resume tag team or otherwise. Rankings don't for the individual in a tag team. The two are separate. 2001:8003:5130:2601:9D8:E6BC:33AF:DD3F (talk) 00:45, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
