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WP:FILMNAV says, "Filmographies (and similar) of individuals should also not be included in navboxes, unless the individual concerned could be considered a primary creator of the material in question. This avoids over-proliferation of individuals' navboxes on each production's article, and avoids putting undue weight on the contributions of certain individuals over others." This means that we should not have navboxes listing writing or producing credits because these credits often have more than one person. I'm concerned that this has been ignored, judging from the bloat I see at Category:Film writer navigational boxes, which proves the point of the above guideline in creating bloat and misframing the person as the sole writer for the given set of films. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me)23:13, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion about what to credit actors for at Rosie O'Donnell
There's a discussion on Talk:Rosie O'Donnell about what roles should be credited and what the requirements should be for those credits to be included. I've been told by User:ObserveOwl to ask for your guys' input on that.
I'm rather new to all this so I apologise if I've done something wrong here but it would be good to get a clear consensus on how stuff like this would work as to prevent future edit wars. ZestySourBoy (talk) 03:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not included in Films James Rebhorn
James Rebhorn appeared in the 1983 film '"Brainstorm,”' where he played the character of Alex. In the movie, Alex is a scientist who works on the Project Brainstorm, an invention that can record and play back human experiences. Michael, played by Christopher Walken, confronts Alex about the project, blaming him for his son’s condition after the son inadvertently viewed a disturbing tape. Alex denies any knowledge of the project and informs Michael about the death of Gordy, another scientist involved in the project. Dr Jahoda (talk) 00:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It makes a whole lot more sense to change the !scope="row" scope to the title of the works instead of the year as the year isn't the main focus in a filmography, its the title of the work. The scope doesn't have to be the first square on the most left part of the table, it can be anywhere on the table. Also changing the way that the table captions are structured so that the information is actually helpful to those with screen readers. "Film performances" doesn't really convey all the information but "Film appearances with year, title, role, and other selected details" is so much better.
TLDR: I am proposing to change:
The row scope to the title of the work and not the year.
To fix the captions to help convey proper information.
Are you talking about switching the "Year" and "Title" columns? From a data-sorting standpoint, it is a best practice for the columns to be sorted from left to right, and lists of works are preferred chronologically.
@Erik, No, I am talking about the scopes and not switching the columns. You can see the change that I did at Migos#Filmography that reflects this. I also never said to completely get rid of the table captions but to change the usual way that information is conveyed with it. Putting just “Films” or “Film appearances” doesn’t help anyone with a screen reader to quickly hear what the table offers so putting “Film appearances with year, role, and other details” works better. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥20:53, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, that makes sense now. I think I'm used to seeing no scope beyond the columns. From what I can tell, it seems fine to implement, but I would like to hear from others. So you are saying that doing this helps with screen readers, right?
Basically, yes. Using !scope="row" will help identify what is the main topic of the row. For more information about the general usage of it, check out this."List of television appearances and roles" makes sense to have it but I also thing it should have like "List of television appearances and roles, with relevant details" if there is an actual notes section, as I know some filmographies don't always have a notes section. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥04:52, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This seems to indicate that such a table caption should be relatively straightforward. The Bell caption example fits that more than what you suggested. Is there an accessibility standard that says the caption needs to be more descriptive than that? Erik (talk | contrib) 21:21, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
