Paul 012, it looks like I listed it incorrectly. The easiest way to resolve this is probably to revert the bot and then get the bot to handle it with the correct targets, which will unfortunately create a bunch of red-linked categories briefly. — Qwerfjkltalk08:29, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
*[[:Category:Arabic-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Arabic-language films]]*[[:Category:Dutch-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Dutch-language films]]*[[:Category:English-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:English-language films]]*[[:Category:Filipino-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Filipino-language films]]*[[:Category:French-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:French-language films]]*[[:Category:Hebrew-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Hebrew-language films]]*[[:Category:Hindi-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Hindi-language films]]*[[:Category:Indonesian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Indonesian-language films]]*[[:Category:Italian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Italian-language films]]*[[:Category:Japanese-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Japanese-language films]]*[[:Category:Korean-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Korean-language films]]*[[:Category:Malayalam-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Malayalam-language films]]*[[:Category:Mandarin-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Mandarin-language films]]*[[:Category:Marathi-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Marathi-language films]]*[[:Category:Norwegian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Norwegian-language films]]*[[:Category:Polish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Polish-language films]]*[[:Category:Portuguese-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Portuguese-language films]]*[[:Category:Russian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Russian-language films]]*[[:Category:Spanish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Spanish-language films]]*[[:Category:Swedish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Swedish-language films]]*[[:Category:Tamil-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Tamil-language films]]*[[:Category:Telugu-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Telugu-language films]]*[[:Category:Thai-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Thai-language films]]*[[:Category:Turkish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Turkish-language films]]*[[:Category:English-language Amazon Prime Video original films]] to [[:Category:English-language films]], [[:Category:Amazon Prime Video original films]] and [[:Category:English-language Amazon Prime Video original programming]]
Corrected targets
*[[:Category:Arabic-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Arabic-language films]]*[[:Category:Dutch-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Dutch-language films]]*[[:Category:English-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:English-language films]]*[[:Category:Filipino-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Filipino-language films]]*[[:Category:French-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:French-language films]]*[[:Category:Hebrew-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Hebrew-language films]]*[[:Category:Hindi-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Hindi-language films]]*[[:Category:Indonesian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Indonesian-language films]]*[[:Category:Italian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Italian-language films]]*[[:Category:Japanese-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Japanese-language films]]*[[:Category:Korean-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Korean-language films]]*[[:Category:Malayalam-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Malayalam-language films]]*[[:Category:Mandarin-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Mandarin-language films]]*[[:Category:Marathi-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Marathi-language films]]*[[:Category:Norwegian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Norwegian-language films]]*[[:Category:Polish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Polish-language films]]*[[:Category:Portuguese-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Portuguese-language films]]*[[:Category:Russian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Russian-language films]]*[[:Category:Spanish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Spanish-language films]]*[[:Category:Swedish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Swedish-language films]]*[[:Category:Tamil-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Tamil-language films]]*[[:Category:Telugu-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Telugu-language films]]*[[:Category:Thai-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Thai-language films]]*[[:Category:Turkish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Turkish-language films]]*[[:Category:English-language Amazon Prime Video original films]] to [[:Category:English-language films]] and [[:Category:Amazon Prime Video original films]]
That's what I said. "A CFDS nomination by Davidgoodheart". Here's the version of the CFDS page before the discussion was removed for processing, for your convenience. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:01, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I indeed processed the speedy yesterday. I overlooked the existence of the other nomination )or may be the template was not there). Ymblanter (talk) 06:24, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
The category had been populated by moving people from the parent, so it seemed correct to revert to status quo ante by merging. If there is consensus to exclude people who did not survive, Category:Formerly missing people should state this, with documentation on its talk page. – FayenaticLondon08:31, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
It was easy to overlook. I only saw the nom because I was looking at someone's edit history. The nomination placed on a typo "Janruary 28", and I suspect that the template wasn't there. I also agree with FL, that the merge as implemented seemed to restore the status quo. Furthermore, I would argue that you can be notably missing and eventually turn up deceased. (Many of the examples in the discussion focused on how some people who were murdered might be reported as missing. But that's not really the same as being notable for being missing) Mason (talk) 22:33, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Well, there's clearly a big difference between people who went missing then turned up alive and those who were found dead. They were presumably separately categorised at the time of the 2020 CfD, but following the deletion of Category:Formerly missing people found dead, editors then lumped them together in Category:Formerly missing people. This seems to go against the intent of that CfD and is quite clearly undesirable if you ask me; I can see why Minerva97 (whom I forgot to ping earlier) re-created and populated it as Category:Missing people found deceased, even if she was unaware of the previous discussion.
Anyway, however we got here, the more relevant question is how to move forward. We could start a new CfD to either (A) re-split Category:Formerly missing people into missing-then-alive and missing-then-dead people (overturning the previous CfD result), or (B) rename it to more clearly reflect what I assume is the original intended scope and purge the missing-then-dead to enforce the previous CfD outcome. However, maybe this discussion alone is enough indication that the situation and consensus has changed in the intervening three years, so "the reason for the deletion no longer applies", negating G4. In that case (C) the bot actions can simply be reverted, restoring Minerva97's split. That would avoid the need to manually purge or re-split the category again, which would be needed should we go the new CfD route. Or we could also (D) do nothing.
Since there was a unanimous decision to merge I think that we should leave it the way it is and as I stated being a formerly missing person can apply to someone being found either alive or dead and being found dead in NOT defining. Davidgoodheart (talk) 16:52, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
While I could see the justification for a divide between the living and the dead, I don't see any need to make it at the moment:
I think less than 5 percent of all missing persons cases we have articles about that have been resolved have been resolved with the MP turning up alive. That might justify such a category, but ... not right now, I think. There are more articles we could write about such cases, but for now we haven't written them.
Just read through this and there are several completely reasonable options here but I favor B. It appears to me that the naming of Category:Formerly missing people lends itself to including people found dead (whether through an automated merge or manually per article). I would leave this merge in place and leave it up to anyone who felt strongly to open a new CFD to rename the category to something like Category:Formerly missing people found alive and then we can purge if that passes. (This is a just suggestion though and I favor any path forward that has anything close to a consensus.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:57, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
My slight inclination is D (but B is fine if sometone is so motivated), as that requires less action, effectively leaving the merge in place, and I like your suggestion of being open to missing people found alive. (There is a category that captures something close that, effectively temporarily missing people). I don't feel strongly about it.) Mason (talk) 02:41, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia Administrator Daniel Case has stated The CFD is closed and I think that the unanimous decision should remain, since he is an administrator I think we should do what he says. Davidgoodheart (talk) 03:55, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Deferring to an admin's opinion because they are an admin, isn't a compelling reason. (Sorry, @Daniel Case). I happen to agree with them. Hence lean D. But, their status as an admin wasn't part of my reasoning. Mason (talk) 04:28, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Unless you want to propose an actual rename to facilitate B. It seems that everyone is indifferent (either directly or indirectly) to make another change, except you. So, I think that we should just do D, which is nothing.Mason (talk) 01:54, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Following the British, Scottish, English and Northern Ireland cats, which have now all been moved from Queen's Counsel to King's Counsel, shouldn't the same be done for this category?
Yep, already done. That was just me being a lazy bastard (not having used the process for some time) and hoping someone would do it for me. Anyway, I've done it now. --NSH001 (talk) 21:21, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Yes. If it's been a long time (several years) since the CfD and the reasoning from the CfD clearly no longer holds, a category can usually be re-created without issue. But if it's more recent, or if the situation isn't clear, the safest route I think would be to open a WP:deletion review to discuss whether the previous consensus still holds. In any case, the category would have to be manually re-populated. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:42, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
In most cases such an outcome probably indicates that consensus is against re-creating such a category, and that should be respected. There may be exceptions, such as a case being misunderstood, but the way forward will depend on the exact circumstances. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:20, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
I just want some feedback before I decide on whether to nominate these categories.
What do you think about upmerging all team categories in Category:Minor league baseball coaches? My argument is:
a) there are very few articles for minor league coaches in general; mostly, these are often retired major leaguers.
b) for some teams, especially older ones, there aren't records for coaches so there isn't really a way to verify if they actually coached that team or not.
Basically, I question whether making baseball coaching categories by team, especially for obscure and/or defunct teams is helpful for navigation. My own personal opinion is to merge the team coach categories with Category:Minor league baseball coaches and simplify navigation. But I want some feedback on this. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:15, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
I see there are some categories with over 10 entries, and these are probably legit, and there are others with two or three, these can be upmerged. Ymblanter (talk) 08:40, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
@Ymblanter, the size isn't what I meant. I think these are trivial because most of these are former major league players so short minor league coaching stints - since minor leagues coaches are shifted around a lot in the farm system of a major league team - aren't defining to their career. Does that make sense? Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:06, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
@Ymblanter, of course. I put two categories up before because the teams were defunct and had one article in each - and hence not likely to grow - so I'm just waiting for that to close. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:47, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Cfds not going through
I've noticed at a lot of recent Cfds which were nominated and have since been closed as 'merge', 'delete', or 'rename' (and so on) have been stalled for some reason have been stalled and haven't gone through. They are starting to pile up I feel and I think something should be done about it.
Thank you for the reply. I was concerned that it may have been a bot issue (Mason suggested it might be) or something else as, usually, these go through within a week or some and there are a lot that have been stalled for over a month (and some even earlier). Hence why I brought it up. But there isn't any issue then I understand. Omnis Scientia (talk) 01:38, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
This is indeed lack of admins who add closed nominations to the page for bot. It does not help much that I am leaving for holidays today, but we will eventually sort it out. Ymblanter (talk) 07:26, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
The top half of the page Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy, i.e. everything above section "Current requests", contains the description of the procedure for speedy renaming and speedy merging of categories. This content is in the same page as the requests themselves.
The criteria used to be at WP:CFSD rather than WP:CFDS until 2016.[1] Since then, you can search the archives of this talk page for "speedy criteria" if that's what interests you, as changes are generally proposed here before implementation. – FayenaticLondon14:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion, I have done this after skimming over some of the speedy merge criteria for CfD. It seems to qualify for WP:C2A and WP:C2D, but bots will clean up it up anyways per the info at the category redirect template. No fuss, thanks again. ― Synpath03:47, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Fair enough, my sensibilities probably skew too much to RfD where the alternate captilization could be considered helpful as 'chemical biology' appears often enough as a proper noun in university course titles and textbooks. ― Synpath18:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Mass-renaming (probably) needed
I don't have the bandwidth for it right this moment, but I wanted to leave a note here in case another editor has the bandwidth, or at least so I wouldn't forget about it entirely...Category:Alien invasions in fiction and related categories should likely be renamed to Category:Fiction about alien invasions et al. in accordance with other renames that have been performed more recently. Please let me know if you have any questions about this, or just want to poke me to try to get the ball rolling on it when I have more bandwidth. :) DonIago (talk) 14:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
The category was speedy moved but still has a large amount of red links. This is not a caching issue, since they are sitting there over a week. I made several attempts but I can not figure out where they are coming from. Could somebody help please? Thanks. Ymblanter (talk) 14:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Fixed. It was some template doing funky stuff it shouldn't do (autogenerating categories). Rather than deal with the underling issue I just used AWB to update the template params. * Pppery *it has begun...16:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
