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April 2007

Dan Donegan

Nice job with Dan Donegan. Just thought I'd give you some appreciation as your edit summary kind of indicated that you were worried someone would consider you a vandal. :) Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 00:36, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

welcome

THANKS for the welcome message. LizzyNoir 15:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Les Légions Noires

Hey. I noticed that you have moved Les Legions Noires to Les Légions Noires through cut and paste. I agree about the renaming, but it should be done through the move function, to preserve edit history for convenience and GFDL reasons. Since it requires an admin action, I suggest that you list it at WP:RM#Uncontroversial proposals. Thanks, Prolog 17:57, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Alternative music and sources

As part of the Alternative music WikiProject, we're gathering a list of sources on this page. Could you take a look and perhaps add any written references you have access to? Thanks! CloudNine 10:06, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey

Hey Romaine! It is indeed I, Ustad Abdul Muhib. Hope you're doing well. I got to watch what I edit on wikipedia, now that my students are looking at some of my work!  :-)

No, I miss Morocco a good deal, and all of you :-) Yes, I heard that a number of staff are leaving, but some are staying too. I was actually involved in picking the new bio text, and we were all quite excited about the one you are using this year- I only wish I could have stayed around to use it. As for Yemen, no, I have felt that I need to put that off for awhile, and get over there one day in the future, insha'allah. So for now I'm still in Seattle. Hope all is well with you?

I'm doing admin work for United Way right now; perhaps I'll teach in the future, but I'm not sure when next I'll make it back to Morocco. I had not heard about the planet- missed reading about it- so thank you very much for pointing it out to me!

What?

Hey, I just had a question.

Why do you hate disturbed, system, linkin park, and korn? I think they are effing great. just wanted to know why.

Sacrublood 216.87.243.242 17:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

sorry for not signing

Лёха Фурсов: Sacrublood 17:02, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to VandalProof!

Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Zouavman Le Zouave! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. Ale_Jrb^talk 17:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative music WikiProject newsletter

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 1 - April 2007
"There are shitloads of meaning in the songs. I don't know what they mean, but there's still meaning there." - Liam Gallagher Project news Doolittle (album), "Smells Like Teen Spirit", Surfer Rosa, Adore (album) and "Bam Thwok" all reached featured article status in the past month! Well done to WesleyDodds, Brandt Luke Zorn and CloudNine. We've now written more featured articles in the past month than in the year to April. Portal:Alternative music achieved featured portal status, thanks to Teemu08 and CloudNine. More editors are needed to keep the portal up to date. We collaborated on Red Hot Chili Peppers, Zen Arcade, Radiohead and New Order during the past month. Kate Bush, Butthole Surfers, "Today (song)", Californication (album) and "Tonight, Tonight" reached good article status.	New members Swidden, CattleGirl, UncleMontezuma, Dark Devil, RedHotRageSlave, Kudasai, Sjones23, Triviumchick1990 and Mr Richardson joined the alternative music ranks during April. Editors User:CloudNine
To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please list yourself in the appropriate section here.

Delivered by CloudNine 14:26, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

May 2007

Korn

I can understand why you removed Dirge form Korn's genre list, but why acoustic? Acoustic has become apart of Korn and their live perfomences and I believe it should be listed. Also the Fantômas have no relation to Korn, other than Terry Bozzio who toured with Fantômas for less than one tour. The Fantômas should be removed and I also believe Otep should be removed because Rob Patterson was never an offical member and never helped Korn write any music.

ROSALES 27 05:30, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well I guess you're right about the "acoustic" part. My apologies. I guess I'll remove Fantômas from the list of associated bands as well, unless someone did it before me. I don't know about OTEP so I will probably discuss it on the discussion page. Zouavman Le Zouave _{(Talk to me!)} 09:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AWB regexps

I added some parentheses to your heavy metal addition to AWB Typo fixes. If you have a $1 in the replacement text, it corresponds to the text captured by the first set of parentheses in the match. AWB's own replacement section has the capability to test your regexps for you, which you should use before adding them to the Typo list, just to be sure they work. Yours at least compiled; some additions (missing a closing parenthesis usually) generate an error when AWB loads them. Cheers! -- JHunterJ 13:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dude

dude just wondering if you hate disturbed so much why edit it so much?GuyDoe 23:42, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't edited it in a while actually. ^^ The reason why I edited that page was because I felt like there was a neutrality issue, where the reader was simply told they were metal, when many people disagree with that judgement. I am often asked why I edit articles with subjects I don't like, and my answer is generally the same: I try to keep my opinions out of the way when I edit something. By editing the article, I am editing Wikipedia, not the subject of the article. If I messed up the article about Disturbed, for example, it would mess up Wikipedia, not the band. And since I love Wikipedia, I try not to do anything stupid. Hope that helps. Zouavman Le Zouave _{(Talk to me!)} 06:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

that makes sence. how did you come to read the article in the first placeGuyDoe 21:04, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well I had heard their stuff before, and I had heard of them quite a bit, so at some point I was like "let's see what the Disturbed article says", and I ended up there. ^^ Zouavman Le Zouave _{(Talk to me!)} 06:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

thanksGuyDoe 20:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

System of a Down

its about system being called nu metal. i feel that maybe their first album had some similarities with nu metal, but even then, they still were missing a lot of nu metals main traits, ie. rapping, turntables, more personal lyrical themes. with all of that being different, i find it hard for system to be classified as nu metal. also, i think there sound has changed a lot. its more melodic and is no where near nu metal. i think that since there sound has evolved so much that nu metal shouldn't really be brought up. basically, the only reason they were classified as nu metal in the first place is because they came up around that time. if you compare them with bands like limp bizkit, korn, even slipknot, they don't sound the same at all really. also, you said they have a nu metal fan base. soad is my favourite band, and i don't listen to nu metal at all. my fav bands include Tool, The Mars Volta, Opeth and RATM(even though they include rapping). i know it may be easy to find sources saying they are nu metal, but its only because they came up around the nu metal boom and people just thought "all the other metal out right now is nu metal, so these guys are no different". hopefully you can see why most soad fans agree that they aren't nu metal. i agree with you that they aren't really avant-garde metal though. at least we agree on something ;). 74.124.28.243 21:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for leaving me a message on my talk page (it's always pleasant to get mail ^^). I have read your arguments and I wish to just give you some things to think about. You say that since they sound different from Slipknot and Limp Bizkit, they must not be nu metal. But do Slipknot and Limp Bizkit sound much alike? I think that SoaD's sound is as different from Slipknot's as Limp Bizkit is different from Slipknot. You also say that sources state they are nu metal because they popped up at the same time as Korn & other nu metal bands. I disagree. I classified them as nu metal from the first moment I heard their album (their first one), and I didn't even know they were around during the nu metal boom. If other people like me (there are many) classify them as nu metal because of their sound, then it's not because of the time period. I feel that the article is fine as it is. The genre dispute section is made for the purpose of informing the reader of the debate, and so far, I think it's doing an okay job at it. Anyways, by time is running out! ^^ Zouavman Le Zouave _{(Talk to me!)} 21:50, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

how do you see system of a down as unintelligent music? just wondering.74.124.28.243 22:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dragan

Hi ZLZ, I notice that you have created a sub-page about your band at User:Zouavman Le Zouave/Dragan. Wikipedia is not a web hosting service, and the page appears to fall afoul of this policy. From WP:NOT - "Wikipedians have their own user pages, but they may be used only to present information relevant to working on the encyclopedia. If you are looking to make a personal webpage or blog, please make use of one of the many free providers on the Internet." Standard practice is to have a link to an external site from your webpage rather than use Wikipedia to promote or showcase your own company, band, invention etc. If you could check out WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a blog, webspace provider, or social networking site I think you'll agree. The "soft landing" to this would be to redirect the page to your userpage, and include a quick mention and link (I play in a band called Dragan which you can check out at somespace.com/dragan" would be fine). Presenting userpages as Wikipedia articles, complete with bluelinks to userpages, redlinks to your friends, article infoboxes, WP:MOS formatting etc. is especially frowned upon. Also, your sub page at User:Zouavman Le Zouave/Stuff appears to contain nothing that could not appropriately be condensed or discarded and included on your userpage. It's fine to have a "workspace" type sub-page, but much of the information here really strays into blog/myspace territory.

Please don't take this as anything other than a routine policy matter, or see it as negatively related to our current conversation at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of avant-garde metal musical groups. You're clearly a dedicated Wikipedian with great taste in music :) Deiz talk 12:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey mate, thanks for warning me. Yes I did create that subpage, but is it really a problem? I mean, should we really propose it for deletion? I've been keeping this page for quite a while, it hasn't been a problem... I don't know. Zouavman Le Zouave _{(Talk to me!)} 22:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again, thanks for getting back to me.. Alas, they're against policy and really have to go... as noted above, I recommend you redirect both pages to your userpage and think carefully about what is appropriate on your userpage and how to present it... I'm not dying to take this to MfD but it could end up there. Deiz talk 02:00, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, just to close out this issue I've gone ahead and listed the pages (Dragan and Stuff) at WP:MFD. By the way, I found Ido from your page and found it really interesting.. if only Korean didn't take up my linguistic energies... Deiz talk 14:57, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I put them as speedy deletion to speed up the process ^^. Yeah Ido is a pretty wonderful language. Too bad so few people actually speak it fluently. I've created some pages on the Ido Wikipedia, but my lack of vocabulary makes it hard :p Zouavman Le Zouave _{(Talk to me!)} 13:51, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Bungle

Awesome, thanks for taking a look, I look forward to your comments or any changes you think might improve the article. Mr Bungle 06:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

June 2007

Your sandbox

During recent changes patrol I noticed this. I like the template, it looks good. Navou 16:10, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks :) I'm hoping to make a more professional looking userpage. ^^ Glad you like it! Zouavman Le Zouave _{(Talk to me!)} 16:25, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

golden rule

I removed an entry from the Golden Rule disamb page intentionally and the edit summary explained why I removed it. Did you revert it without checking the edit summary? Are you disagreeing with the accuracy of the removal? Please actually examine changes before reverting them, if you didn't. I'm going to unrevert, on the theory that the revert was an accident; if you disagree with the change, revert again if you must, but please discuss the issue at Talk:Golden Rule. In general, one should not use rollback tools like VP for reversions of this type (see WP:REVERT).

75.62.6.237 23:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alfred Deller

I can live with you know not knowing a thing about Alfred Deller (that requires education and musical taste) but your comments on the Talk are seriously wrong. First, the article very clearly is not a stub; second, the editors you are arguing with are vastly more experienced than you are. Please endeavour to acquire a clue. Guy (Help!) 18:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• I see this is a widespread problem. You need to read articles before rating them, or simply leave the rating blank and not edit war if people change ratings. It's pretty arbitrary anyway. Guy (Help!) 20:06, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please oh please

Can you not use that new sig. Its huge, unwieldy and very hard to read. Thanks. Viridae^Talk 07:35, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No offense but WP:SIG does not seem to forbid that. I do not use any images or templates, and my signature doesn't take much space in the editing box. I will make it smaller but I will keep the font, if you don't mind. ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 10:30, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well what you have now is good. The other one had a huge bold font. Viridae^Talk 10:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, good. :) I would just like to point out that other users have much bigger signatures and that mine really isn't a problem. ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 10:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

hey, man!!

Sorry i took so long in getting back to you about ur message. Thanx for ur very lengthy and informative comment :-). However, I just think the label nu metal is just used to label bands they don't like. Maybe we should just create a new name for Disturbed like music... How about disturbed metal? The reason I like Disturbed, Korn, and System of a Down, is cause I can actually hear the words when they sing, and understand what they are talking about, as opposed to music like Slipknot (Though I have nothing against them ;). I like loud, fast music that u can drive like a maniac to, or get in a fight with... Tell me, when you hear Down with Sickness, don't you just want to get in a fight with someone, or do some crazy s@#t?

But that's just my personal opinion. I have nothing against u dude, I just don't like that label.

Get back to me!!

Лёха Фурсов: Sacrublood 16:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Old Friends from Young Years

i see u edited this albums page, do u have a copy of this album>?

No, I do not have a copy of this album. The edit I made was simply a capitalization correction that I have made on many articles. ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 10:28, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ratings without recommendations

Dear Zouavman Le Zouave,

Please do not install boxes rating biography articles without first reading them carefully and making suggestions for improvement. If you use a bot to produce these boxes indiscriminately, you're not accomplishing anything, other than to annoy your fellow editors.

Sincerely, Opus33 17:21, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Slander, external links, and inappropiate sources

Hello Zouave, I've recently noticed that you have been reverting a series of my edits claiming them as vandalism. I think we both know that my edits were not vandalism, and calling them so is slander. While you may disagree with my edits this does not warrant you the right to call them vandalism.

In my edit summaries I have explained why I removed those external links and sources, but just in case you haven't been reading them, do read WP:EL and WP:RS. Metal-archives.com is not a reliable source since it is user edited. It can be used as a source of opinion, but not to source something claimed as a fact. Also, if an article already has enough content or external links, there is no need to spam the page with unnecessary links. --Leon Sword 21:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Help Desk Assignment

I was looking over the help desk, and couldn't find any posts from you on there. I'm looking forward to awarding you a barnstar when you reach 200 users helped. To get you started, I'm posting a question there about the assessment drive. The Transhumanist    02:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for your concern. In fact, I have not yet helped anyone. The help desks and reference desks that I could possibly help in were in my watchlist for a while, but several things came in my way. First, there was the assessment drive, which took a lot of my time and attention, and most importantly, I did not have access to the internet for about two weeks. Therefore, I could not contribute to Wikipedia as much (apart from some little apparitions during my free time at school). Now, my internet is back, and I am not spending too much time on the assessment drive, so I will see if I can help any users on the help desks and other pages. However, I will probably not reach 200 users helped after a long time. My point is to see how I can help users, not trying desperately to get a barnstar. ^^ Thanks a lot for reminding me! ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 12:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 2007

Service award

This editor is a Journeyman Editor, and is entitled to display this Service Badge.

Just to let you know, you qualify for this. This award is strictly based on how long you have been on Wikipedia and your edit count. Congrats! --BrokenSphere 23:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Talk:The Weather Channel (United States)

Could you please explain why you placed the {{WPBiography}} template on this page? I don't see how it qualifies as a biography. --Spring Rubber 00:31, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I see what I did. I did a mistake; sorry, my bad. Let me explain to you. I often go in the Category:Unassessed biography articles to assess articles for the Biography WikiProject. The category lists talk pages of articles who have not been assessed yet. One of those talk pages was that of an article that redirected to The Weather Channel (United States), so when I made my assessment, the template went on The Weather Channel talk page, and not on the talk page of the redirect page. When I noticed that the talk page I thought that I assessed was that of a redirect page, I put a speedy deletion template on the redirect page talk page, but did not think that my assessment could have gone on the wrong talk page. I have now reverted my erroneous edit. Sorry for the inconvenience, and thanks a lot for warning me! :) ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 02:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sandbox

It's quite humorous that you left me a warning message telling me to use the sandbox for test edits, when the page I edited was a sandbox page. Everyone is free to edit and/or blank sandbox pages, since their purpose is just test edits. — Carl (CBM · talk) 21:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, and I mean no offense by this, you are wrong. WP:BLANK esplains it all. Notice that it says "no blank pages" which makes no distinction between encyclopedic and non-encyclopedic content. The sandbox is used for test edits, yes. The sandbox subpages, not necessarily. ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 21:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's long standing practice that users can blank the sandbox, and this is not vandalism. I don't see any reason why a subpage of the sandbox should be treated differently than the sandbox itself. — Carl (CBM · talk) 21:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For the simple reason which is that they are not the same page. It's as simple as that. I have never labeled your contributions as vandalism, at least as of now. Leave the page as it is. If the page gets deleted through the MfD, then so be it. But until then, leave it as it is. ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 21:46, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This page is a subpage of the sandbox, however. I'm not planning to fight about the blanking, but I'm free to edit the page as much as the next guy. — Carl (CBM · talk) 21:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Therefore I am free to revert your edits. It can be a very useless waste of time. ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 21:55, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Smile

Connell66 has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Mallcore

Would you like the content through email or would you like me to paste it to a subpage of your userpage? Natalie 16:49, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for sending me this message. I think that sending the content through email would be best. My email is [email removed] com. (please erase the email from the talk page after you have sent it). Thanks a lot! ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 17:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Boo

Quite a rise you took on since i last came by. Ever thought about applying for adminship? :) ~ | twsx | ^talk_cont | 13:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there!

Thanks for the message. :) I would not mind being administrator, but I do not think I am quite ready for the whole nomination process; I have a lot to improve on. I will maybe go through some admin coaching, but it's only a vague idea in my mind at this stage. Plus, I do not quite feel I need the administrative privileges at this point to improve my work on Wikipedia. However, this may change in a couple of months. ^^

Zouavman Le Zouave 16:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alright. :) If you ever feel you're ready, and you don't happen to have a more credible user (shouldn't be hard to find though), tell me, i'd nominate you. ~ | twsx | ^talk_cont | 18:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I really appreciate it. :) Rock on! Zouavman Le Zouave 19:11, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

August 2007

Reply

I blocked him before I started reverting. :) —Kurykh 19:14, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

System of a Down and Nu Metal

I have read some of your comments both on the SoaD talk page, as well as other user pages, and i still feel they are not a Nu Metal band. I would also like to point out that you mention SoaD labeling themselves as a metal band, but in reality they don't beleive they are a metal band, which is cited in the band's article. I think User:Revan made some good points responding to your thoughts of why you think SoaD fits Nu Metal. He's a little rude at times, though.^^ Here is what he said:

I read the similarities that guy did between nu-metal and SOAD. First of all, I laughed out loud while reading them, your point being as shallow as glass, ignorant and plain stupid. What the hell are you trying to do, you little wiki-nerd. I HAVE AN IDEA! Why don't we compare another band to the nerd's genre-definitions. Like... TOOL! Yea, let's turn Tool into a nu-metal band! Hm.. 'motivating a crowd to move with the beat'. Check. On the song 'Vicarious' singer Maynard James Keenan repeatedly sings with a raised fist (lyrics being generally angsty and somewhat hostile) 'why can't we just admit it, why can't we just admit it' with a very, very catchy 5/4 guitar/bass/drum-pattern in the background. I sure get motivated to move with the beat. Nu-metal!

Hm.. Guitarists making use of liberal palm muting. Man, If you tried to make yourself look like a fool, you succeeded. ALL OF METAL USE PALM MUTING!! Then, according to you, all metal bands in the world should be called nu-metal! Has it ever occured to you that maybe, uh, a band called, like, BLACK SABBATH influenced some metal bands in the world with that technique? You might as well say, like, 'Nu-metal makes use of distortioned guitars, whereas SOAD is a nu-metal band'. And Tool too, making more than just a liberal use of it. Check!

Hm.. First of all, B.Y.O.B. is dropped C#, a tuning which Tony Iommi used on 1972's genre-defining masterpiece 'Sabbath Bloody Sabbath'. Tool also have dropped guitars. And probably EVERY FUCKING METAL BAND IN THE WORLD! Not every, but you get my point. Once again making a fool out of yourself. Check! Hm.. Yea, solos. Tool guitarist Adam Jones does even fewer solos than Daron Malakian, which basically (according to you) makes Adam more nu-metal than Daron. You claim that the solos that are there don't emphasize on technicality and that most metal bands do that in general. Once again, making yourself look like a fool. I suspect your metal-knowledge doesn't reach any further than Iron Maiden's 'Belly of the Beast' or Sabbath's 'Paranoid'. Have you even hard Daron's solo on 'Lonely Day'? That's a hell of a technichal performance, if you ask me. Much more technically difficult than Adam's solo on 'Jambi'. Hell, it's going real good for Tool here! Check!

Hm.. 'Nu metal bands often feature aggressive vocals that range from melodic singing akin to pop and rock, guttural screaming and shouting from various forms of metal, hardcore punk, and rapping'. You say that the link between the VERBAL DECORATIONS on 'Chop Suey' should be considered. I'm turning you into a retard, sorry, but when one relies that much on a stupid article and with, obviously, no knowledge at all, it's hard to avoid. Tool will have no problem with this one. The 'rapping' and guttural screaming on 'Ticks & Leeches' is, like, nu-metal. Not to mention the contrasts between soft vocals and pure screaming on 'The Grudge'. Not to mention the 'rapping' on 'Rosetta Stoned'!! Geez, this covers a hell of alot bands. Nine Inch Nails! Nu-metal?? Nu-metal! Hm.. Yea, the song structure thing. The only 'nu-metal characteristic' (lol) that Tool ain't THAT big part of.. But we can't forget the verses on 'The Pot' and the many different verses and choruses on 'The Patient', 'Parabola', 'Ticks & Leeches' and the title song 'Lateralus' from 'Lateralus. In case you didn't know, man, verses and choruses existed a hundred years ago and your point weighs as much as helium. Geez, it's barely worth commenting.

Hm.. 'It is generally louder in the instrumental parts and the choruses than in the verses'. FOR FUCK'S SAKE! IS THIS ALL YOU GOT?! Oh man.. what a big genius you are, it's louder in the chorus than in the verse... Yea, wikipedia deals with absolutes, didn't you know? Hmm.. so to prove Tool also does this. Listen to the title song on 'Lateralus', you'll hear that the chorus is louder than the verse.

Hm.. Yea, Serj Tankian's work with other artists, nu-metal artists and hip hop artists. THIS SHOULDN'T EVEN BE CONSIDERED. WHAT A BAND MEMBER DOES OUTSIDE THE BAND DOESN'T MATTER! Did you know that Serj also've worked with Tool? In your case, that's a CLEAR proof to add 'progressive metal' to SOAD's infobox. Saul Williams did guest vocals on Nine Inch Nail's latest album, let's call Trent Reznor a hip hopper!

'Now with all these similarities between System of a Down and the nu metal sound and scene, I think that it is more than legitimate that nu metal remains in the infobox while progressive metal departs it'. Well, I object. I object as hell! These so called 'similarities' are as cheap as Bush is intelligent. If you all are okay with this, I'll go right away and add 'nu-metal' on Tool's infobox. Because what the fool did was stupid as hell, pure incompetence, relying on a stupid, shallow article. What we all know is that SOAD is an organic band with organic sounds. Their sounds and atmospheres don't recall the studio over-production that flourish Nu-metal, SOAD's atmosphere recall politics and action, in the name of themes, and influences from armeninan, greek and world music, pure creative freedom, in the name of music. As far as Mezmerize/Hypnotize go, they're a hell lot of more prog metal, than their previous albums are nu-metal, which they are not.Revan ltrl 23:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Now, as you can see, he did an extensive job of proving your similarities wrong. i would also like to point out that if you go to the palm muting article, it says the technique is most commonly found in thrash, speed and death metal. also, what you said on the SoaD talk page about BYOB and its verses everybodys going to the party..... being pop-like, those lines are metaphorical. the party is the war, dancing in the desert and blowing up the sunshine is like dropping bombs and going to war in iraq. BYOB stands for bring your own bombs. so i feel that the info box should be limited to alternative metal and the various influences link, and maybe experimental rock due to the different genres and elements they have brought into their music. Dissectional 04:50, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Thank you for sending me this message. I have nothing to add to my comments on System of a Down and the nu metal musical genre, and this is for the simple reason that this will never end. However, I think I will comment on the uncivility of the Wikipedian who wrote those counter-arguments. Calling my arguments stupid, I can accept. But the user goes on to call me names! This goes against WP:CIVIL, which is an Official Policy adopted by the Wikipeedia Community. These comments show an incredible amount of immaturity. Finally, the user threatens to harm another article's quality (Tool) to make a point. If this threat was to be put into execution, it would sound pretty much like something that would go against Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point, a well known behavioral guideline in the Wikipedia Community. The user you describe (User:Revan ltrl) has had previous disputes with Wikipedians. Here, the user does not take into consideration another user's point of view and does not attempt to reach Consensus as the Official Wikipedia Policy suggests. The user ends his message with "fuck you", and I don't think I really need to explain how uncivil that is. Here, the user chooses to edit right away before trying to discuss what could be a very important part of the article. He/She claims "we all know" as if everyone agreed with him/her. Here, the user claims "It IS the turntables that makes nu-metal nu-metal!", which is factually incorrect (see the Nu metal article). I'm not going to review all of the user's contributions because I honestly have better to do with my time, but so far, I think that this user's way of editing isn't the worst way to get into trouble.

Anyways, have a nice time editing!
Zouavman Le Zouave 05:44, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: PLease Stop

im not sure what i did for you to say this, i havent deleted portions of th System of a Down article. Dissectional 06:19, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is the diff in question. Zouavman Le Zouave 06:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the article discussion, more people agree on removing nu metal then those who think it should be kept. therefore, i felt i should remove the genre. Dissectional 06:24, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Next time, wait until consensus has been reached to make such edits. This can easily turn into a revert war. Zouavman Le Zouave 06:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have made a little survey in the SoaD talk page. The users will respond with Keep or Remove based on what they think should be done with Nu Metal. Hopefully we can get quite a few people to make the answer concrete. Dissectional 06:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just replied to the little survey with an official policy and an editing guideline. I would consider cancelling the "little survey". Zouavman Le Zouave 06:54, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AFC Drive - Last Day!

As I write this message, we officially have 2 hours left before the end of the drive. Prizes will be awarded tomorrow, so don't worry, I haven't forgotten. It's been a great drive, with tons of work accomplished. Thanks, everyone. GrooveDog GrooveBot 21:13, 15 August 2007 (UTC) Automaticlly delivered by GrooveBot at 21:13, 15 August 2007 (UTC) [reply]

AFC Drive Award

		The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
		You accumulated 50 total articles reviewed in the last month! Great job, and thanks for your help! I will DEFINITELY be planning another drive sometime in the future, so keep posted and keep reviewing! GrooveDog (talk) (Review) 13:06, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RE: User:Dissectional

Hey, I saw the message you left Dissectional on his/her talk page. I actually didn't even think that the IP and the user could possibly be connected. Good job on the little investigation. :) Would that count as a sock puppetry case, even if it's an IP address? If the IP and the user are the same person (I'm not saying they are, I'm just saying "if"), then the user is definitely trying to "give the impression of more support for a viewpoint," which is mentionned on WP:SOCK. At some point, the IP user said "i fell there has been more said to remove nu metal," which could be a little hint. What should we do if both users display more common points? Should we report this to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets, if this continues? Anyways, keep me updated on any new info concerning those users. Thanks in advance! Zouavman Le Zouave 12:41, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The IP was definitely Dissectional as the recent attack re-post on the SOAD talk page shows. To be honest, I'm not a fan of Dissectional because they're kinda disruptive. I'd say make a SSP report...

Seraphim ^Whipp 23:32, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you, and I also think that Dissectional is causing some trouble. Should we gather some hints (I don't want to say "evidence") and file a report at WP:SSP now or wait until more hints show up? The advantage of the former solution is that the trouble caused by the IP and Dissectional will be stopped sooner, but the latter solution would give us a stronger "case". What do you think? Zouavman Le Zouave 23:40, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm all good points. I think building up a stronger case is a good idea, although I'm pretty sure that right now, there is enough hints, such as editing patterns and style of talking e.g Dissectional says "Ill" in place of "I'll" and so does the IP. We can handle his edits for now... Thoughts?

Seraphim ^Whipp 23:58, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think we should wait a little longer as well. I have another style pattern for you. Both the IP and the user do not capitalize their "I" when they refer to themselves. This can be seen here for the IP and here for the user. The user claims to come from Toronto, Ontario, Canada, as can be seen on his talk page, and you have reported the IP as coming from the same location. So far we have three unquestionable common points, not counting the behavior and the point of view regarding the band's genre and the article's infobox. I think we should wait a little longer. However, if the editor in question comes to read this discussion, he may change his way of editing and start, for example, to capitalize his "I" and to use apostrophes. Zouavman Le Zouave 00:11, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's quite true, although wouldn't that action look a bit peculiar in itself and look like another hint? A personal grievance I have is the re-post of Revan ltrl's message by both IP and Dissectional; it's like abuse! He's attacking people using someone else's words and he thinks that is acceptable, simply because the words aren't his. He says, "he may be a little rude", then he says, "his answers are correct". It's like saying "My mum thinks you smell...it's a bit rude but I agree with her".

Seraphim ^Whipp 00:21, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hahaha, yes that's exactly so. I like to assume good faith, so I didn't take it as a personal attack, but I do think that they are indirectly attacking me. I don't particularly care about that, but I'm more worried about the stability of the article (which was obtained through consensus and lots of compromises). Actually, you bring up an important point: Both the user and the IP have copied and re-posted User:Revan ltrl's message! First on my talk page (Dissectional) and on the SoaD talk page (IP). Both are against nu metal being associated with SoaD, both do not use apostrophes in words such as "I'll" or "Here's", both do not capitalize their "I", both come from Toronto, and both have copied the same message and expressed how they agreed with it. So far five similarities. We can easily get some more! ^^ Zouavman Le Zouave 00:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Easily! :). I would have found it difficult to stay cool if I had been on the other end of that bashing.

I also think that the editors at that page have done a very good job to build consensus. If it looks like nu-metal, smells like nu-metal, walks like nu-metal and gets labelled nu-metal by multiple reliable third party sources; it's probably nu-metal :P. Despite my inital inclination, that's what I've come to accept. It's not like there has even been a reasonable or rational discussion to dispute the nu-metal claims! The people who oppose it can't really argue the sources and that's what Dissectional wants to do...using IP's to back him up... Oh well... we've certainly got a lot of hints already....

Seraphim ^Whipp 00:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. So do you think it would be best to start the SSP report now, while Dissectional and the anonymous editor are inactive? I can continue to look for more hints if we need some. Or do you think we need more "concrete" hints, and that we should wait a while? One of the problems with waiting is that the IP and/or the user might come across our discussion. What do you think? Zouavman Le Zouave 00:51, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since we have uncovered quite a lot of significant likely factors, it might be best to begin a report and continue to add to it if more actions accumulate. I'd say these hints are pretty strong.

Seraphim ^Whipp 00:55, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I'll start the report. I'll add the link as soon as it's ready. Feel free to add more info as soon as you get some! ;-) Zouavman Le Zouave 00:57, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Right, I looked at the report and added some evidence too. It's a shame the guy wasn't actually just lazy as he said. I've provided evidence that shows that it was his intention to mislead using the IPs.

Seraphim ^Whipp 09:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I don't think the user is being completly honest with us on that point. Dissectional has had no problem with logging in since July 14th, the date of his first contribution. It was on July 26 that he started to use the IP address, but he didn't stop editing with his account until August 17, just before you sent him that message (and I think he actually read it). As for the "nu metal survey", Dissectional removed the poll with his account after seeing that a poll was not a good idea, but nevertheless pushed the idea further with his IP, claiming that "this poll will reinforce the answer". While I want to AGF, I have to admit that the most rational hypothesis is that User:Dissectional was using his IP to give the impression there were more people agreeing with him. Zouavman Le Zouave 10:00, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your message

Yeah no worries. He didn't seem too happy about System of a Down being called as nu metal. I've noticed there tends to be a lot of emotion in Wikipedia when it comes to classifying genres for rock bands. Spellcast 19:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Thanks!

Seraphim ^Whipp has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Ooh. I've never been awarded anything before; thank you for my wikithanks flower. I would also like to thank you too, for similar reasons, as you have managed to keep your cool, and in the face of passive agressiveness from certain editors, you presented clear and rational answers without succumbing to agression.

Seraphim ^Whipp 17:17, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Disturbed Song Articles

Hey, I was about to post the articles in question through the AfD process, but I was thinking that (since you apparently seem to cooperate pretty well) you could make things easier by tagging the articles in question (the songs that are not singles) with the [Template:M used with invalid code 'db-author'. See documentation.] template for speedy deletion. Is that okay with you? Thanks in advance! Zouavman Le Zouave 18:18, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, that's okay with me... will you do it, or will I? Dan 18:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I'll be willing to do it. I will put the tags later tonight. Thanks for your cooperation! Zouavman Le Zouave 19:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, thanks for the initiative. Dan 19:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

{{db-author}}

This speedy deletion template is designed to be placed on a page by the actual author of the page...I've noticed a couple of occasion in which you have placed this on a page you had not authored. Please use a different template in the future. — Scientizzle 23:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see now that you were doing this for another user[1], so that helps explain it. In the end, all of the articles were redirected instead. — Scientizzle 00:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Sorry for the misunderstanding. Zouavman Le Zouave 06:16, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

September 2007

Notability of Hypno5e

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Hypno5e

The editor who tagged it for deletion was Nuttah68. However, I can probably tell you what they're going to say. You did not cite any reliable sources to establish notability, thus why it was deleted under CSD A7. That's what I see as the kicker. SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:21, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

End of WP:Bio assessment drive

I have reraised the issue (see towards the bottom) as to whether assessors should receive all the awards they qualify for or only the highest one. Your input is appreciated. BrokenSphere^Msg me 15:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipoem

Using my magic psycic-ness(or maybe just the history page), I'm aware that you have participated in Wikistory. Inspired by Wikistory, I created Wikipoem, which is pretty similar to Wikistory, except that it's supposed to rhyme. I created the game today, and I'm looking for more players to join. Play now! Oddmartian2 15:13, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for telling me about it! I like the idea a lot, and I am proud to be the author of the second word of the poem! ^^ I proposed something on the talk page of the Wikipoem, you might want to check that out. Zouavman Le Zouave 15:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hypno5e

I nominated this article for deletion as there was no indication of how the subject met the guidelines at WP:BAND. If you feel that there was an error you need to take it up with the admin who deleted the article. Nuttah68 15:57, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Solar wind

In the future when you revert vandalism you might want to check what you're reverting it to. You only reverted it to an older (and possibly worse) form of vandalism on that page. Just giving you the heads up for the future. 66.189.137.113 21:32, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Award

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		I hereby award The Tireless Contributor Barnstar to Zouavman Le Zouave in recognition of assessing over 2001 articles for WikiProject Biography's Summer 2007 Assessment Drive. Psychless 00:42, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Astral projection course

I know of a very good course. It is called Dream Yoga and is a very comprehensive course consisting of six online written lectures. Take a look. Anton H 13:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for the link, I'm definitely trying this out! Just out of curiosity: have you ever tried astral projection? Zouavman Le Zouave 17:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I answered on my talk page, but in case you're not watching that I post it here too: "Yes, I have, but I haven't succeeded yet. But that is just because I haven't tried hard enough; usually I try for a couple of days and then stop for one reason or another, one needs more consistancy than that. I have experienced lucid dreams though. There is a forum connected to the website I gave you, if you have any questions you can ask them there." Anton H 19:18, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Userbox

Hi, I have seen the changes you have made to the userbox located in my userspace, User:Zouavman Le Zouave/User Metal. As I said in my edit summary, the point of the userbox is to mention the user's dislike for mallcore, not only his love for metal. The first template criterium for speedy deletion only applies to pages in the Template: namespace (see WP:CSD). If a userbox is divisive, then it should be migrated to userspace. The concerned userbox, however, is already in my userspace, so there is no need to migrate it and no need to change a potentially divisive statement. There is already a userbox for "This user loves metal": Template:User Metal. If you really feel that divisive userboxes (even in the User: namespace) should be deleted, then I think you should first start with User:TurtleShroom/Userboxes/JimmyCarterHate. While this one clearly insults a political figure, my userbox simply states a dislike for mallcore, which is a derogatory term in all its uses. I have not found a single page that states that divisive userboxes in the User: namespace should be CSD'd per T1 (in fact, as I stated above, I found a page that states the opposite). Thanks in advance for your cooperation. Zouavman Le Zouave 12:10, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, you seem to be confused on a point. While, in general, a wider latitude is given to userspace, moving something that is divisive to userspace will not prevent its deletion.

WP:USER explains that such content may be removed "by any user", and Wikipedia:Userboxes makes it even clearer. But that said, sometimes it's better to attempt to merely edit the content (if possible) rather than just deleting, which is what I chose to do in this case. If after reading both pages, you still would like further clarification, I would be happy to help. - jc37 12:28, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I didn't see this one part on WP:UBX. I modified the userbox to make it more neutral and to avoid negative verbs such as "despises". Tell me what you think about it. Zouavman Le Zouave 12:57, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That makes it a classic example of:

• This user likes this but doesn't like that.

Essentially what you have is a "positive and negative" userbox. Stick to the positive. Or to quote the page: "State what you like, not what you dislike".

I hope this helps. - jc37 13:10, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]