Noticed you converted his infobox to retired. He has not retired yet and is still actively seeking an NFL team. Therefore he has not retired nor has he announced his retirement. Converting his infobox to retired is assuming he will not play again which I believe violates WP:CRYSTALBALL because you are predicting his career his over without any official announcement from Quinn himself. Now if he makes through 2016 without a team, then he's done. Just because he's not on a team and he is working for FOX does not mean he's retired--Rockchalk71703:54, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Hey, WO-9. I saw that you switched several template names from Infobox NFL player to Infobox NFL biography. We are in midstream of executing a merge of Infobox NFL coach into Infobox NFL player, with the new surviving template to be called Infobox NFL biography. At current count, there remain 59 instances of Infobox NFL coach to be manually replaced, and that process should be completed in the next few days. At present, "Infobox NFL biography" simply redirects to the improved (but not yet finalized) version of Infobox NFL player which will become Infobox NFL biography in the near future. As I have been manually replacing Infobox NFL coach, I have been using the Infobox NFL biography template name so I can track which articles have already been critically reviewed for template replacement and standardized formatting. So, I'm going to ask you to hold off on changing any more template names for a bit. If you're looking for something constructive to do with the new standardized template, you may want to review the infoboxes for the 32 current NFL head coaches all of which have had their infoboxes manually replaced and their infobox input data conformed to the standard format. I have already done this for the position coaches that were previously using Infobox NFL coach, but I skipped those that were already using Infobox NFL player. Take a look, and let me know if you're willing to help with the manual replacement and standard formatting of the remaining current position coaches (best guess, 100+ of them). After that's done, I want to perform the same manual template replacement and standard formatting job on the head coaching succession for every NFL team (including the defunct ones). At that point, the new template and standard formatting will be unavoidably established with plenty of examples for everyone to follow . . . . Please let me know what you think. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:11, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hey. Can you take charge of converting articles nos. 1, 2, 4 and 5 at WT:CFL#Template:Infobox NFL coach is being merged, replaced and deleted? They need to be converted from Infobox NFL coach to Infobox gridiron football person, which is similar but different. I've got about 50 or so others remaining to convert to Infobox NFL biography, and Jweiss picking up 7 to convert to Infobox college coach. I'm hopeful I can get through this in the next four days or so. Let me know if you're up for it. I'm happy to review after you complete the conversion. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:31, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
On balance, Pop Ivy's CFL career (3 Grey Cups) is probably more important than his time as an NFL player and coach. Can you convert this one to Infobox gridiron football person, too? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:15, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Could you please explain why you changed [[Safety (gridiron football)]] to [[safety (gridiron football)]]? Why uncapitalize something when it really doesn't matter? CrashUnderride21:53, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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I am aware "that's how it works" regarding Super Bowl championships but I thought the article regarding his "mixed feelings" about it was interesting and warranted inclusion. I see you disagree and that's fine, but I didn't appreciate the dismissive tone of the edit summary. Thanks. Skudrafan1 (talk) 18:54, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You can add it back if you want. Someone could read the only two weeks thing and practice squad as kind of making fun of him like he didn't deserve the ring. Also, it does kind of state what's already been said as it says he signed with the practice squad on January whatever, so they know it hasn't been very long and that he didn't play in the Super Bowl since he was on the PS. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 19:46, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
AFL player articles
I'm currently going down the list of American Football League players and cleaning up articles, and I just thought I'd let you know it's a little disappointing when I find articles created by you and there's nothing to clean up. Haha, really it's good to know someone actually takes the time to make well-written articles of those older players instead of just slapping in a sentence or two and calling it a day. Lizard (talk) 04:40, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Lol, thanks for the compliment. If there's info out there, I usually put it in the article but it's sometimes hard to find stuff on some of the older players. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 04:49, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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I think we should choose an article to make better an then work on it until it's really good. I need something to do and I'd rather not go all-in on an article by myself so want to help? You can choose the article. Leggomygreggo8 (talk) 17:57, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, sounds good to me. It's barren. What should we do first? I'm thinking we should find some sources. The two main things are early life and college career as he hasn't done anything professionally that's been big. His arrest is a big thing too. Leggomygreggo8 (talk) 18:25, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
All the sources I can find say Zaunbrecher's career (or at least when he started playing in games) with the Vikings started in '71. He was definitely drafted in '70 but PFR doesn't have him listed on the Vikings' roster that season. Do we assume he was with the team for the '70 season? Lizard (talk) 21:33, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Idk, it's probably trivial and highly unlikely to be challenged by anyone in the future but I like to get things right, ya know. I'll just leave it. At least he isn't tilling crops anymore lol. Was that a case of everyday speech slipping onto Wikipedia? Lizard (talk) 02:59, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I actually did check Google Newspapers, but no luck. It really is about just putting whatever info you find when it comes to those pre~1990 players that played only a season or two. Or, in a few cases that I found today (Charles Oakley, Tommy Neck) exactly one game. WP:NGRIDIRONdoes state "Presumed notable if ... Have appeared in at least one regular season or post season game" but I still feel uneasy about it because I know they'll be permanent stubs. Lizard (talk) 04:35, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I actually only saw it once from you and I don't remember which article. But it's pretty rampant by a lot of different editors. I blame PFR. "Louisiana State Fighting Tigers"? No one calls them that. Lizard (talk) 03:13, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Yeah, sometimes it's hard to find stuff on people that played before the internet became really popular. I just added some categories and things. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 18:14, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's how I first knew they had a long crap run. lol. I assume it's okay his high school coaching record is in there. I mean after all, he did coach the team, that is his head coaching win/loss record after all. lol CrashUnderride19:37, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I think I may have included someone's high school record there in the past but I'm not sure. If they haven't been a HC anywhere else, I don't really have a problem with it. Also, John Madden probably couldn't even win at that school lol. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 19:46, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Welp, I dun did it again. Have a look, and you'll be proud I used the correct dash in the infobox this time. I remember and copied it from one of the ones I made the other day that you went and corrected for me. lol CrashUnderride18:30, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I know this much, every Dallas Cowboys draft pick since 1993 that has played a down in the NFL has an article. Well, some may have only played in the CFL, but only two guys in the last 24 years don't have articles. lol. "Hey Jerry, where's my jersey man!!!" CrashUnderride18:37, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And on the DeWayne Dotson article, you can put the high school as "Hendersonville (TN)" so it doesn't wrap to the second line. That's what most articles do because it already says "High school:" to the left. Not a big deal tho. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 18:52, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty much. I basically ran the AFL group on here for like a year and I don't know how many people are still active in it, but I do what I can when I find something that needs it. But, I would legit have no argument for it because 8 teams and all are making the playoffs this year. I mean, really? ALL teams make the playoffs?! What's the point of the season?! Just have the playoffs and be done with it. lol Ah, I never think. lol CrashUnderride18:54, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yh, I wouldn't really add it because it looks funny. I was just joking. Also, the Las Vegas Outlaws made the playoffs but folded before the start of the postseason last year so lol. Maybe they all haven't clinched if one of them folds before the seasons ends again. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 18:58, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
...And I doubt they will at this point. But hey, wishful thinking...can we get a NJFL (National Japanese Football League) going? I can just imagine the outfits THOSE cheerleaders would wear. How many teams do you think would have an octopus or squid in their logo? I mean, we all know they love their tentacle porn. lmao :D CrashUnderride19:18, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. :D I'm ashamed I knew about that. And before you ask, no I have never watched that stuff. I mean, Japanese women, yes, that stuff, no. lol. But serious those cheerleaders would be worth a full price ticket. lol CrashUnderride19:22, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly! lol. I have seen a legit 11-on-11 women's league. It was really good. I'd like to see a WNFL take off. I mean, I prefer the WNBA simply because they actually know how to pass and not all go for dunks, etc. lol So why not a WNFL? CrashUnderride19:36, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I do know the New United States Football League was supposed to materialize but never did...maybe we could get the NFL and CFL to work together on a North American league. I've seen where they've talked about the Bills moving to Toronto, and if they do, they'll need to change the name of the league. I mean, think about it, it's the NATIONAL Football League. If one of your teams is in another country, it either needs to leave your league and join the CFL or your league name should be changed to the NAFL. Same thing with the NBA and NHL...sorry but that just pisses me off. lol. CrashUnderride19:50, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I had thought about that, but the IFL is also the Indoor Football League and I was thinking about acronyms and all. I'm all for the International Basketball Association and the International Hockey League. Or even NABA and NAHL. My think is this; "BE HONEST WITH YOU NAME YOU A##HOLES!!!" lmao :D CrashUnderride19:57, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
So, seeing as the NFL isn't in immediate need of a new name, "Dear NBA (or NHL)...". lol I'm just soo happy to see the name "Los Angeles Rams" again. I hated to see both teams leave in the '90s, now they're back. :D CrashUnderride20:04, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Let's not forget '96. That sucked and when '99 rolled around, I was so happy...and the Browns aren't even my team. lol. I just hate relocations, especially with teams from when I was a kid. Let alone when a dome team gets an outdoor stadium, ugh. I say put all teams in domes and be done with it. That way EVERY NFL city has a fair shot at the Super Bowl. CrashUnderride20:09, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
HAHA!!! Yeah, let's see the Super Bowl be in Pittsburgh or Baltimore. Two "small"/cold cities. lol. I say this, find a neutral large city, say Las Vegas and have the league build a stadium there solely for the Super Bowl, every year. Neither team would have a home field advantage and they could do what the XFL did, have a sprint to the ball to determine who chose the coin toss. lol CrashUnderride20:17, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yh, the sprint was an interesting idea. From the XFL article: "The XFL's first injury infamously resulted from the opening scramble; Orlando free safety Hassan Shamsid-Deen suffered a separated shoulder prior to the Rage's 33–29 season-opening win over the Chicago Enforcers at Florida Citrus Bowl Stadium on February 3. He ended up missing the remainder of the campaign." lol.
Backups, always backups. lol. Or even better, up the rosters to 54 and have one player their ONLY role is the sprint. lol. (On a side note: Man, I miss the XFL.) CrashUnderride20:31, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I was looking at the Hitmen's roster and was like, "Wait, Chris Maumalanga? He played for the Giants, I remember Michael Strahan talking about him being in a gang and fighting in camp!" and well, there ya go. That's all it took. lol CrashUnderride22:18, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Lol, fighting Strahan, must have been crazy. I linked the article at Stephen Paea. 22:20, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, I meant to do that. I already linked it at the 1994 NFL draft. It was already red linked in the 1994 Giants draft template and the NY/NJ roster. I think the references in the infobox for the jersey numbers is okay, I've seen other articles with them. Also, I know he's Samoan, I would've added the categories but I didn't know how the names were formatted. CrashUnderride22:24, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Also, idea, lets work on one of the articles I created to get it up to GA level. lol....sure, I think THAT'S possible with the ones I created. lmfao. CrashUnderride22:25, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Did he wear #74. The links don't have any numbers. The column says "height". Lol, and pretty much all the numbers are in the 70s, even the QBs. So I don't think that's actually his number. Just an error. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 22:30, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And about the Good article thing. I haven't really done any of that stuff but I think they may be picky. So they might change the article in ways that you don't like or something. You can try it tho. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 22:33, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, as long as it's a well written and quality article I'm okay with it. It's not like I own it or anything. I'm just happy to contribute quality articles that help football fans learn about players. CrashUnderride22:38, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I didn't think he'd be linked to too much, aside from those he fought and the draft article. At least pages that didn't have him red linked. lol CrashUnderride22:44, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yh, lol. You can try GA with one one your articles. I'm not sure if it's that strict. I was just saying like you might cite something to a blog. It could be a reliable blog but they might remove it because it's from a blog. It probably depends on who's reviewing it. I haven't really done it before lol. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 22:50, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Those are the only two that I know of. lol. I still can't believe that I've created as many articles as I have. Too bad they aren't more high caliber players, etc. lol. CrashUnderride18:19, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yh, you're on a good bender now lol. Also, are you sure that Barnes' vertical jump was only 1⁄35 in lol. Did he just lift his foot or something. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 18:39, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, since the 16th, I'd say 10-12, last I counted was 7. But then I stopped. But in total, ever, over 45 articles and templates. lol And you would be correct, he's the one I'm working on now. lol. CrashUnderride23:28, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Whew....finally, done. Sadly, the length doesn't reflect the time it too. lol. Damn it! I deserve a steak for the time I put into that one. :D CrashUnderride01:32, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh cool. I've honestly never made one. lol. Well, the season pages are updated with his article being linked. I think I'm gonna take a break and come back tomorrow. I've been doing this all day, after awhile my knuckles just give out. lol. CrashUnderride01:47, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I make myself laugh, I'm funny like that. :D I'll do my best with the DEFAULTSORT. Hey, I'm lucky to remember most of the categories I add. I counted up, I've made around 15 new articles in the last two days. I guess it's a shame for me that I don't follow college football as much as I used too. If I did, then I'd have a better chance to make an article that becomes a Peyton Manning or Tom Bradyesc article. lol. CrashUnderride02:25, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Or if you're really interested in building up an article, take a look at some of the articles in Template:Pro Football Hall of Fame members. There are some really pathetic articles in there that could use some love, and they should all have tons of sources to find info on them. Leo Nomellini for example, is in both the college and pro HOF and has a 5k byte article. Lizard (talk) 03:02, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Aye, football articles in general are typically poor quality. I'm just pointing out the HOF articles since they're (or should be) top importance articles. Lizard (talk) 18:24, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There, done...Leo Nomellini is better. Good thing he was a pro wrestler. I know a website or two that are acceptable to be used as sources. lol. CrashUnderride 22
Yeh sha I'm from south of New Orleans. I am a Saints fan but I'm much more invested in LSU sports and college football as a whole. Lizard (talk) 18:30, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I typically look at edit history when I see particularly dumb stuff just to call out anyone who saw said stuff and didn't remove it. Like how I called out the entire WP:NFL when I saw this egregiousness stayed for over 10 days on THE most-viewed football related article on this site, in the lead, on a "good article" with over 300 page "watchers." My lid was flipped. Lizard (talk) 02:07, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I did a quick search for the stuff in that Rodney Young article and all I found was LinkedIn, which isn't an acceptable source since anyone can just put whatever they want on there and some random article saying "He was an outstanding person, an outstanding father, said Rodney Young, a fellow firefighter". WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 02:20, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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HAHAHA!!! Sorry, but that's funny. All he really removed was his birthplace from the lead, which is proper format, but the stub templates, probably should've stated. Also, the fact that the person complaining has a history of being a WP:SOCK, yeah, that's ironic. lol. CrashUnderride19:48, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's be settled. I fixed their edit, they reverted and added it a second time in the same sentence in the lead. I removed it again tell them it wasn't proper format and they created an early life section stating his birthplace, which as we all know, an early years section with only one to two sentences is usually accepted. lol. CrashUnderride19:58, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's whiggity whiggity whack. Why do we accept one sentence sections? I feel if a section can't be expanded into a paragraph (at least 3 compound sentences), it should be merged into another section. Lizard (talk) 20:48, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well I know nothing about soccer players, let alone Nigerian ones. lol But I'm sure it can be expanded. 20:59, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
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Yh, I usually add those because the bios have a lot information that could be used to expand articles and they sometimes go dead, which causes people to remove the link which checking for an archived version. If it's a dead ref, they usually check but not always for external links. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 04:11, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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You can thank Cbl for that list. He put a lot of time into it, but I think it was justified. The poor shape that our HOF player biographies are in is a shame. You'd be hard pressed to find a player in the Baseball HOF or an NBA player in the Basketball HOF with an article lower than C class, but with NFL HOFers it's practically the norm. Lizard (talk) 17:09, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Congrats on being the first edit here in nearly 3 years. I'm still floored on how little attention that article gets. We're talking history of Notre Dame here. Not exactly South Florida. Lizard (talk) 17:18, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Lol, thanks for the acknowledgement. Part of that is probably because the history article wasn't linked at Notre Dame Fighting Irish football until now. The main article's history section seems to be more complete than the history article. The history article has no "Brian Kelly era". It stops in 2009. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 17:24, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, I noticed. Look at the history article's article history (lol). The last addition of actual content was when the article was first created in 2009. Lizard (talk) 17:30, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Needs to be updated. We have like 4 editors total working on actually writing articles, so we have to be super strict on importance rating. I think the number of high and top importance articles are about right, but there's way too many mid importance. 7 or more seasons is much too lenient. In fact, seasons played shouldn't even be a factor. But if it is it should be bumped up to 10 seasons. We should also probably look at re-assessment of B-class articles; I checked 15 B-classes at random, and maybe 2 of them were realistically B class. There were even a few stubs. Lizard (talk) 03:43, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, when I first saw the seven seasons thing I wasn't really sure about it. I couldn't really find any discussion on the importance scale besides this and that discussion only involved two people. So feel free to open a discussion at WP:NFL. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 12:18, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The whole WP:NFL page could use a revamp. Notice, the lead of the project page is still the default lead. Compare WP:NBA and WP:MLB. Much more tidy and up-to-date. If I was any good at web design I'd do it myself. Lizard (talk) 16:00, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Yh, and I could have had that Bradford article updated by now. It doesn't even say who they drafted (Wentz). I was gonna add it but saw only admins could edit the page. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 18:01, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yh, that page is just asking to get contentious edits. A lot of those guys aren't really the starting QBs. Should change the title to "List of starting quarterbacks in the National Football League as of Week 17, 2015" WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 18:11, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You actually archived your talk page? Is the apocalypse near? Anyway, I've seen a few 1961 Topps cards uploaded to commons under the PD-US-not renewed license but I'm not so sure about that. Regardless, I uploaded File:Tittle 1961 Topps.jpg under that rationale. Ah well I guess we'll find out whenever the image gets taken down. Lizard (talk) 06:22, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Also, mind if I add some tooltips to the stats table on that Tittle article. I've seen them on NBA articles but never really saw them on NFL ones. I figured out how to do it recently. Saw it done on Cam Newton. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 15:36, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nice expansions. I added some tooltips to the stat tables. Figured out how to do it recently. I could also make the tables sortable. And also, the first link when I google all the stuff you say (farttickle, knuckledragger, etc.) is urban dictionary lol. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 14:17, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, farttickle was just randomness in my head, and knuckledragger, I'm not surprised it's UD, but you know it's meant with love. lol And thanks for the help, I appreciate it. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride19:23, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I see now its MLB counterpart is an FA, but I'd even challenge that one. I don't really see any references that would establish its notability as a stand-alone list. Lizard (talk) 22:14, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yh, I can't really find any sources talking about this topic. Also, I wish you luck in AfDing that Article/List. Has something featured ever been deleted before lol. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 22:48, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure what you mean. Whether or not the article exists/should exist has no bearing on the existence of an article for each of those players. Lizard (talk) 22:55, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like that's because the MLB project has a concerted goal of covering every player that ever played. See Arxiloxos' "keep" comment. I don't believe that's something the NFL project is trying to do. So the cases are different. Lizard (talk) 23:04, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Has there ever been a consensus on WP:NFL to create an article for every player that ever played? It's possible. But given how past discussions on WP:NFL were never documented into any sort of guideline or plan, good luck finding it. And regardless, the stand-alone list still has to establish notability for itself. Lizard (talk) 23:34, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's because we have yet to run into the conundrum that MLB ran into that got that one article deleted. NGRIDIRON states that notability is presumed if they played in a game, but not guaranteed. The top of WP:NSPORTS states "meeting of any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept." It's just a rule of thumb, but it isn't binding. It doesn't take into account an extreme case like a guy known only as "Pepper" playing a single game at guard for the Rochester Jeffersons in 1920. Without NGRIDIRON, there wouldn't be a snowball's chance in hell that article would satisfy Wikipedia's notability criteria. Lizard (talk) 23:48, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This also made me remember User:Tavix/List of NFL players, which I've seen in "What links here" before. I was making a list like that too but deleted it. Creating all of the links and disambiguating them is a lot of work. There is also the thing about whether AFL and AAFC players are in the list and if that changes the title of the list. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 00:26, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
AFL probably would be since its history and stats are shared with the NFL, but not the AAFC, since the leagues never officially merged. Lizard (talk) 01:28, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I think there is a misconception with some people in that they think that the AAFC merged with the NFL but they never actually did. And we could just make another list of AAFC players, it wouldn't be that big anyway. The league was only around for four years. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 01:33, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, I don't want to get into an unnecessary debate with the MLB people. If you absolutely can't find any sources discussing NFL players with unknown given names, then I'd say tag that one for delete. Lizard (talk) 21:30, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Lizard the Wizard: Sorry I'm late to respond here; I've been less active of late. It looks like the article is already deleted as requested by WO-9 as the lone author. The baseball article would provide an interesting precedent as an FA. That being said, WP:CCC can get even that article deleted. Without looking at the specifics, and speaking only as an admin and not an editor, this could come down to WP:IAR: "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it." There's no automatic reason to delete the list if it is verifiable, as it doesn't seem to violate any other policies. It then becomes subjective as to whether existing guidelines like notability are relevant here. It's not a definitive yes/no response, but hope it helps to add perspective.—Bagumba (talk) 02:31, 19 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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@Mattatencio93:you need to relax. All he's doing, last I checked, as making them so that each column was adjustable by value. It's not vandalism and is widely common on Wikipedia. Also, any more statements telling people what to do, such as this one will be considered harassment. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride21:03, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's not all he's doing, last I checked. If that were all he were doing, that would be the one and only change in his edits. Also, don't be a hypocrite, you can't tell me what do after saying "I can't tell people what to do." Anymore statements "telling" me what to do, such as this one, will be considered harassment as well. Do not approach me in such a hostile manner after nobody was talking to or about you. Have a great day. Mattatencio93 (talk) 21:12, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Mattatencio93: awww, poor baby. They're adding to/correcting your work and it's "Vandalism". News flash, you're not perfect, neither am I. Hell, Wiki's actually gone through and worked on the stats tables that I have added and guess what, it made it better and I didn't whine and complain. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride21:22, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, let me retract and re-word my statement. Please stop changing the statistic charts I've spent much time on creating and improving. I understand you are trying to make them sortable, but that is all you need to do if that is all you're trying to do. Please do not delete anything, and just add what you've got to add. Would very much appreciate the respect and common courtesy. Thanks. Mattatencio93 (talk) 21:25, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Um, they didn't "correct" any errors because they weren't any. That's what I'm complaining about and I'm trying to be very civil and acting like an adult about it, even when some of us in the conversation couldn't say the same. Hope you have a good time trolling and have a good rest of your Sunday. Go Cowboys. Mattatencio93 (talk) 21:29, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you're talking about the "NFL career statistics" header, I only removed it because I couldn't figure out how to make the table sortable with it still there. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 21:35, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No offense, seriously, but the table wasn't sortable even with the heading gone. I would be more than willing to help you figure it out and make them sortable, because I like that and it's pretty cool. Just please don't delete stuff I took a lot of time on. Mattatencio93 (talk) 21:37, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, I think it was sortable if you check the article history but anyway. You can bring it up at WT:NFL if you think there's a specific way the stats tables should be formatted. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 21:41, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Lol, I wonder how many of those page watchers have edited recently. I guess people who haven't edited in years still have pages on their watchlists. Also, I'm pretty sure I ran into the same thing recently on another article, where someone had removed the infobox and no one noticed for several days. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 00:57, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Odd thing is the user that did the vandalism was blocked but their edits weren't even reverted... I can't make sense of that one.--Yankees1001:00, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think I knew about it until somewhat recently when I added the watchlist to the external links section of WP:NFL. I saw it done on another project. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 01:15, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
So, I was looking at the watchlist and I discovered a useful tip when using it. When you click the last 30 days and last 500 changes, the farthest back it goes is the last 500 changes, not the last 30 days and there's no option to click next 500. But, you can just go in the url and change the 500 to 5,000 and that shows you the last 5,000 edits. The 5,000th edit when I did it just now was this edit on 01:20, 26 September 2016, so it goes back about four days. 5,000 seems to be the highest though. You can type any number below 5,000 too. You can also do the same thing for your own contributions. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 02:05, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yh, at least it shows that people actually read the article tho, right lol. Actually scratch that, I think we should add a "childhood team" parameter to the infobox so they don't have to go looking. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 22:52, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you look at the article history this is like is third or fourth account, not including IPs. He needs to provide a source for that stuff. I noticed he also removed himself from the notable alumni section on his high school's page. He might be leecobrown or whatever too. Why was that guy removing his college and high school from the infobox. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 17:50, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Invitation to join WikiProject National Football League
First of all thank you for the invitation. I focus on Dallas Cowboys players, current or who have played with the Cowboys at some point in time, so I'm not sure how much I can contribute to a league wide effort. But thanks again.Tecmo (talk) 23:41, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Tecmo: You don't actually have to do anything. You can just add your name to the participants list if you want or don't want to. Keep up the good work with the Cowboys. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 23:44, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Tecmo: it's a lot of fun. I started out like you, focusing on Dallas players (my team) but then I started expanding and if you go here, you'll see all the football articles I've created and just look at how many aren't Dallas players. It's pretty easy to get the proper info and sources needed. For me, creating a decent article only takes an hour or so. But I've also got a touch of OCD lol. We'd be more than happy to have you. For a quick example, have a look at one I just created Lamar Louis. It's not the best, but seeing as he wasn't a superstar in college and not drafted, there's not a whole lot to add. lol. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride09:04, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I'll do more later. lol. It's a pain balancing time between playing video games, making YouTube videos and this. lmao (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride16:21, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nice work on the current NFL players. I thought I was gonna have to make all of those. We could just wait on Hamilton until he plays in a game or if you think he passes GNG you could create it. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 16:07, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
With the current sources it doesn't look like he'd pass GNG, since those are all WP:ROUTINE coverage. I couldn't find anything noteworthy with a quick Google search. The fact that he played for an FCS school doesn't help his case. I'd advise to just wait until he gets playing time. Lizard (talk) 07:00, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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No, they definitely don't. The rationale isn't even close to sufficient, not to mention flat out incorrect. Even with the best rationale I don't think it'd fly. Lizard (talk) 01:34, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I know lol, but I see some images getting tagged as historic. I mean in 100 years they might think this picture of Favre at his Packers induction qualifies as historic and keep it. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 01:50, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Then we'll let our ancestors decide that. It's not as easy as just saying it's historic. He has the purpose of use as "For visual identification of the object of the article. The article as a whole is dedicated specifically to a discussion of this work." The entire article is clearly not about Favre's induction into the Packers Hall of Fame. And minimal use rationale: "This is a recent photo of Brett Favre." That image has no place here, plain and simple. Lizard (talk) 02:05, 8 October 2016 (UTC)'[reply]
Hi. Hope you are well. You deprodded this with the explanation "declined prod, college football head coach" - just fyi, he's not a head coach, but a defensive coordinator, which doesn't really seem to meet WP:NCOLLATH. Onel5969TT me17:36, 14 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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When I first started these my intention was not to have lame stats like that have templates Leading the league in punting yards isn't even a positive.--Yankees1000:32, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Anyway, I think the ones we had were good. Rush TD, pass TD, receiving TD, rush yards, pass yards, receiving yards, interceptions, and sacks. The only one I would maybe suggest having is tackles, but it doesn't look like we even have an article for yearly tackle leaders.Lizard (talk) 22:04, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Slizard the Wizard about the TDs, yards, ints and sacks, but no, tackles aren't even officially recorded, so there's no point. Hey, we could have one for players who've had their face mask knocked off their helmet. lol. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride18:15, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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