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Hey, I've added the status changer script and refreshed bypassing my cache (Ctrl+F5) and I couldn't see it. Please check my Monobook.js in case I've overlooked something. Thanks. ComputerJoe11:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Looks like you missed the prerequisites for the module; re-read the instructions on User:Topaz/Wikiscripts. Specifically, you need to also include the source of the libraries it depends upon: init, util, comm, and wputil. You can either use the strategy I've got set up where each library is in its own file (like mine) by making copies of them in your own namespace, or you can just copypaste the sources of those files in the same order as I include them (such that libraries are loaded before the modules that need them). ~Topaz♪♫∆19:01, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Toolserver
Have you considered (or maybe you already have one) getting an account on the toolserver? You could probably do a lot more with your scripts from there. -- Essjay · Talk06:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I see that you are an advanced Java programmer, and since you edited this page, I was wondering if you're interested in helping with the development of the program. Right now, we have a lot of ideas as to what to do, but we don't have enough experienced coders (I'm a QBasic programmer, and I'm learning Java as I go) to help us. So, any help would be really appreciated. Thanks! Titoxd(?!? - help us)21:38, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Mostly, the tool is a backup for the tools that does not rely on the toolserver in which Interiot's Tool and Kate's Tool reside. Titoxd(?!? - help us)19:58, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, what sorts of things are you looking to add to the tool? Also, it seems like what you're doing could be done much more simply via a small, locally-run Perl script and perhaps a few calls to curl if the user has no local cache of the page(s) to parse. ~Topaz♪♫∆06:00, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Various tools
I'd like to agree with both of the sections above. Titoxd has created Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters, we should probably link to your page. And being able to run random queries against the database is most definitely cool. And developers working together is always good.
Also, since you're a javascript guy, I wanted to mention http://paperlined.org/apps/wikipedia/Tool2/. It's a javascript/AJAX version of the edit counter scrapers. Currently its reporting is a bit anemic, but its back-end history scraping code is complete, as far as I know. I'm not maintaining the code anymore, but maybe it can be of use to somebody.
Regarding your javascript tools, it's nice to know about. Though I tend to use Firefox's keymarks more often than not (though I tweaked firefox to use server-side keymarks). --Interiot19:08, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
I have a challenge for you, since creating the statuschanger script was so easy for you. I want an expansion of the script so I can click on it on any project, and have it change my status on all projects where I have it active. Are you up to it? ;-)
Also, wondering if you have any experience with VBScript; I need a VBScript script written for my IRC client, and I thought of you (I have zero programming ability). EssjayTalk • Contact15:58, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Statuschanger - The issue with that is that I can't use the technique I'm using now to change pages under other hostnames. I also can't use iframes because I need the response of the first request to get the edit ticket for the actual page change and one cannot get the contents of iframes. We might be able to work out a solution if it's possible to pull templates from other wikis or perhaps if you can load images through redirects (at which point you could make a redirect on the Commons to one of the three status images, have my scirpt live on the commons and change the redirect page, and have all of your status images loaded from the redirect instead of loaded directly).
VBScript - Nope, don't know VBScript beyond reaaaaaaly basic stuff. Glad you thought of me, though! If it's basic enough, I might be able to learn whatever I'd need to make it... but that might be a long shot. ~Topaz♪♫∆00:47, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Javascript Help?
Hey, uh ... you seem smart. I was wondering if you could help me with some javascript? I've written a little CSS file that, among other things, puts WPedia into a dynamically adjusting two-column layout, but it breaks a lot of things unless it's applied sparingly. I want to be able to change the HTML structure through monobook.js such that a new DIV is inserted below the table of contents, and a new /DIV is inserted at the end of the body content.
(Better yet, I'd like to be able to surround each top-level document section with a new div.)
Done! Have a look at section splitter on User:Topaz/Wikiscripts. I think it does what you are explaining; if not, lemme know so I can change it appropriately. Also, keep in mind that the top part (from "From Wikipedia..." to the first major section heading) is also a section; if you don't want to apply css to that, I can change the script to not give the first div a class, or you could use div + div in your css. ~Topaz♪♫∆02:00, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
That should be just fine. Have you cleared your cache? (shift-refresh in Firefox.) Also, if you're using Firefox, go to Tools->JavaScript Console, push clear, and refresh the page. Do any javascript errors appear there? What are you doing to detect the changes the script makes? Your monobook.css has nothing referencing those divs to begin with and the changes my script makes are otherwise invisible. ~Topaz♪♫∆10:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I haven't actually written up the CSS yet; I've just been searching the source for the new DIVs. Hm. I do get a couple errors, now that I look at the console -- lines 13, 14, and 15 -- Selector expected. Ruleset ignored due to bad selector.Tlogmer10:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Okay, well, you aren't going to see any changes in the sourcecode. Javascript alters the browser's internal hierarchical structure of the xhtml after it has parsed the page. If you want, you can go to Tools->DOM Inspector and dig down the tree until you reach the page's body. You should see some extra divs with the appropriate properties. Those selector errors you saw are triggered by something in WP's default CSS code, so you've probably installed everything correctly. ~Topaz♪♫∆17:17, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh, oops. Alright. Well, I've written up a bit of CSS to test the javascript, but it strangely seems to work only on utility pages (edit-this-article, contributions, watchlist, preferences), not main articles pages. Hmm. Tlogmer07:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Seems to work just fine for me. Have a look at my monobook.css. Make sure you're clearing your cache; articles might use a different caching mechanism than other pages. Just to be certain, visit an article you've never seen before so you're sure it's not a problem with caching. ~Topaz♪♫∆17:12, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I've synchronized my js and css pages with yours; no luck. (Cache is clear; tried it in Safari and IE 5 too, to make sure.) Once I get past the login page (which is a util page, I guess) it doesn't work on articles. Tlogmer18:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Nope, doesn't work for me. No console errors. What version of Firefox are you using? (I've also included a pic of it working on an edit page.) Tlogmer 12:55, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Okay, this is weird: I've just noticed that the status changer only works for me on util/edit pages also. Bizarre. Tlogmer13:36, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Sounds to me like an incompatability between my scripts and something else. Since your monobook.js file is only my scripts, though, and your monobook.css is identical to what I was using for testing, I'm not sure what's going on. I'm using Firefox 1.5.0.1 on WinXP SP2. Try including User:Topaz/sectionsplitter_debug.js in place of the normal section splitter and see if you get messages for onload, begin page alter loop, and one using new H2 for each page heading. Also see if, in the DOM Inspector, you can climb to HTML->HEAD and find a bunch of SCRIPT tags with src attributes pointing to each of the scripts you include in your monobook.js file. ~Topaz♪♫∆04:18, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I get the popups, but only on talk/util pages. Your scripts seem to be to be in the Head, though, even on article pages. Are there any files other than monobook.css/js that I should check for previous contradictory alterations? Tlogmer09:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, we could go all-out: change your password to something else for a bit and email it to me. I'll log in as you and see if I have the same problem or if I can fix it. Worth a try? ~Topaz♪♫∆17:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I think there's some minor detail we've overlooked, but I'm not familiar enough with WP's inner workings of how it uses scripts and stylesheets to know for sure. Unlike otherpeoples'monobook.jsfiles, when I look at your monobook.jswhen I'm logged in as you, it looks drasticly different (no "After saving..." notice and improper formatting) than when I view it as myself. Viewing your monobook.js when logged in as you is the only time it looks strange. I assume this means that WP is somehow not realising that that's your monobook.js... but I'm not sure what to do about it. Maybe have an admin delete the page and re-create it? ~Topaz♪♫∆02:18, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Excellent work on the above article. I had an idea to do something similar, but then realised I actually know nothing about how they're made (despite having one). The article is very informative now, thanks. Natgoo16:16, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
Since you asked anyone to ask for the scripts they like...
I would really like to have another box\side-bar under the toolbox. In wikimedia projects it can be used for putting all the handy links (instead of a very-crowded customised p-tools menu) and in a site I'm working on (Hebrew like Wikitravel I wanted to put news, featured articles etc, so the the surfer can see them anytime and not just on the main page (most surf from a search engine hence not arriving first to the main page). Thanks- F1612:00, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi, F16! If you include my wikiscript called wputil (and all of its dependencies; see User:Topaz/Wikiscripts for more information or my monobook.js for an example), you can use the functions topaz.wputil.addsidepanel(id,label) and topaz.wputil.addsidepanelbutton(id,label,targhref) to construct whatever side panels you'd like! Have a look at my statuschangerwikiscript for an example of these functions in action. Essentially, create a side panel with some id and whatever label you care to use, and then start adding buttons with the same id and whatever label and targethref (that is, either the url of the page you'd like to load preceeded with http:// or some arbitrary javascript to run on click preceeded with javascript:). ~Topaz♪♫∆ 6:33, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Is there a line of code that can be put in my statuschanger.js file, in order to always make the User:Tv316/Status page stay on my watchlist? Every time I change my status, it takes it off my watchlist, but I would prefer to have it on my watchlist so that I can see when someone vandalizes it. Thanks. tv316 21:55, March 13, 2006 (UTC)
Done. Have a look at the new statuschanger.js, an updated version which includes the following preference:
// true if you'd like your status page on your watchlist
topaz.statuschanger.watchstatus = false;
Ah, a central listing of User scripts! That's excellent. I hope my scripts are put to even more use through that. Also, it looks like my scripts fulfill one or more of the requests listed on that page including the one you made not hours ago for an XMLHTTP wrapper and make a few others really easy to do. ~Topaz♪♫∆07:15, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but at first glance it didn't seem like your wrapper was IE compatible. Was there something I missed? ~MDD469622:41, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Hello Topaz! I could use some help(read "need someone else to do it for me") making my monobook.js work in Firefox. Once my RFA is over I want to merge Essjay's monobook with my current (OwenX's) monobook. However the warn button (current monobook) that appears on diffs dosen't work in firefox, and I definitely want to keep it. I was wondering if you could possibly help me out. You certainly have the skill to do it, plus I'll throw in some nice barnstars! What do you say? I don't want to bother OwenX for the forth time. Prodegotalk04:32, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Sure, I'd love to help! The easiest way to figure out what's going on is to watch the Javascript Console in Firefox. Set up your monobook.js the way you want it. Then, go to Tools -> JavaScript Console, hit 'Clear', then reload a WP page that makes something break and check what errors are in the console. Your best bet then is probably to Special:Emailuser/Topaz email them to me so I can have a look. If we have trouble with that or if you don't have the Developer Tools installed for Firefox, another option is to change your WP account password and email me the new password so I can log in as you and just work with your monobook.js directly. ~Topaz♪♫∆07:37, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
I replied over e-mail, I do have Javascript Console, If I didn't why give you my password, couldn't you just put my monobook in your monobook.js file? Prodegotalk13:02, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, absolutely; the only issue with that is that I have to make sure I don't clobber any of my own stuff which is rather a hassle. I'd also need to put up warnings on any page that links to my monobook.js saying something like don't use my monobook.js right now as an examle of what to do as I'm actually working on someone elses; try again later. Like I said before, though, we don't even need to consider that unless we really start having trouble getting things working. If you're uncomfortable with it, I can make the changes to my own monobook.js instead, it's just more work for me.
I'm looking at the errors you sent me and it doesn't look like Javascript is even complaining; they're just broken css declarations that weren't even generated by your personal js or css files. However, after looking more closely at your monobook.js, I've discovered that OwenX's script is using IE-only attributes and also assumes your date is in the default format. I think the problem is isolated entirely to these lines:
var rmsg = rcol.getAttribute('outerText');
if (rmsg.substring(0, 16) == 'Current revision')
var vandalname = rmsg.substring(16, rmsg.indexOf('(Talk')-1);
else
var vandalname = rmsg.substring(rmsg.indexOf(' 200')+5, rmsg.indexOf('(Talk')-1);
In particular, getAttribute('outerText') is accessing an attribute that Microsoft invented for use in IE and that doesn't follow standards. Also, rmsg.indexOf(' 200')+5 is trying to look for the person's name immediately after the year in the date - an utter hack which assumes you have the year at the end of your preferred date format (which, for example, wouldn't work for me as my dates don't do that). I'll write you a fix when I get a chance; if I'm correct in guessing that the problem is isolated to those lines, this won't be a difficult fix. ~Topaz♪♫∆19:53, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Alright... this fix has only been mildly tested, but it looks like it should work. Comment out the lines I listed above (prepend them with //) and add this line right after them:
var vandalname = rcol.getElementsByTagName('a')[1].innerHTML;
It works in Internet Explorer, but still not in firefox, perhaps there is more IE only coding involved? I removed the commented out lines to make sure that wasn't the problem, so they are gone now. Hope that's not a problem, but they are still in the page history. Also, I do use the standard Date format. I would rather not give you my password if possible! Thanks Prodegotalk01:22, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Alright, well... see if there's anything in the Javascript Console with those changes. Also, please notice that I said that "another option is to change your WP account password and email me the new password" — not to send me a password you use for something already! I'd never ask you for that.
As you've suggested, it's probably the fault of more proprietary IE javascript. I'll have a look when I get a chance to see what else might be breaking things. ~Topaz♪♫∆01:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm actually debugging right now, and I think I found the problem. Gimmie a few more minutes to make sure and I'll probably have a patch for you. ~Topaz♪♫∆20:00, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Yup, it's now working for me! Change this line...
if (document.getElementById('contentSub').getAttribute('innerText') == "(Difference between revisions)")
...to this...
if (document.getElementById('contentSub').innerHTML == "(Difference between revisions)")
Well, not quite, there are still two gliches. Spaces are interpreted as "%20" which are not allowed in edit summaries. Is there a way to fix that? Also, you can't click the warn button to open into a new window(center click) using this method, that's not a big problem, but the first problem is. Prodegotalk20:32, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
(The following changes are also already installed in the bottom portion of my monobook.js - it might be easier to just copy everything below the 'do not copy' line into your monobook.js directly instead.)
%20 fix
Change this...
var from_page = location.search.substring(from_index + 10);
...to this...
var from_page = unescape(location.search.substring(from_index + 10));
Good. Now for the enhancements ;-) I want to take parts of Essjay's monobook, and merge them into mine. I would like: the User functions tab(but no proxy check button), the change from 'edit this page' to 'edit', and the clock (I'll set up your wonderful status changer myself). After this there is one more thing, but one at a time. Thanks again, Prodegotalk21:16, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I think I've got everything working. Make a backup of your monobook.js and then try out my modded version instead. Without test cases, it's hard for me to know whether I got everything or not, so try it out and see if you have all of the features you asked for and that everything is working properly. ~Topaz♪♫∆19:03, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Very nice, it looks good, but the User Functions tab doesn't drop down, so it doesn't work. Sorry about the delayed response, I've been away. Prodegotalk14:34, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Just FYI, the drop down feature should only work in firefox, so if you are testing in another browser, don't expect results :-) Prodegotalk21:29, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it does! The last thing I want to set up is for Speedy Deletions, I would like drop down tabs also, under the cat, i.e. a general tab with the CSD G# under it a article tab with the CSD A# under it ect. I currently have something to display tabs for speedy deletions in my monobook(they supply CSD XX as the deletion summary with tabs marked as vand contxt bio..., but not in drop down tabs. See WP:CSD for the full list of criteria. Prodegotalk23:31, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Could you just make me a list of exactly what tabs you want and exactly what choices you want under each tab? That'd make my job far easier. Should these tabs only show up when editing a page in userspace? ~Topaz♪♫∆18:40, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Do you get any errors in the Javascript Console? That script works perfectly for me, so it's difficult for me to even guess at what might be going wrong. ~Topaz♪♫∆22:06, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
It works now, it broke because I copied it wrong :-P. The CSD buttons that I currently have are broken, but I as I want to change it anyway... Prodegotalk22:11, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Update new bug, my spt button (adds semiprotected notice to usertalk pages), dosen't appear, nor do any of my CSD buttons past cntxt, possible for the same reason? I tried changing the numbers, but it makes no difference. However, if I remove any buttons left of it, it works fine. Prodegotalk21:59, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
CSD tool
I am copying what I can find of my current to here:
Sorry for the slow response, but I've been under heavy workload during the past few days. MacGyverMagic managed to get my attention with an email; otherwise, I've not even had time to poke my head over here. Hopefully, I'll be able to get back here within a couple of days to help with your recent few questions. ~Topaz♪♫∆08:59, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
No problem, you deserve a break for all your hard work, and my monobook is working OK for now, the bugs I have are pretty minor. I decided the only thing I want to do is remove the user functions tab from contribs and the User creation logs, as I think the other problems can't be fixed, due to the css file. Prodegotalk12:06, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Status changer
I copied all the required content to the top of my monobook.js, but when I use one of the buttons to change the status nothing happens. (I put it in manually for the time being). Did I forget something or is your script clashing with another one I have installed? - Mgm|(talk)08:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
You could be having any of a bunch of problems... what browser are you using? Try disabling everything in your monobook.js but my scripts; that'd be the easiest way to check for collisions. (Since there are block comments in there, you'll have to delete everything else and revert back when you're done testing.) If you're useing Firefox, open the Javascript Console from the Tools menu - do you see any pertinent errors there? ~Topaz♪♫∆08:56, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Still didn't work with everything deleted. It looks like javascript is disabled on this particular machine. I'll try again when I'm at home. (Both machines use IE6). - Mgm|(talk)11:58, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
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need your help
Hi, I am a new user who found your page by just clicking through links and ended up at Prodego's page. I only know a very little about editing and stuff. Could you tell me where I can learn to write wiki markup and find all the stuff that I need to learn while being here, if there is such a place? Thanks. Twasmetrec21:39, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Wow, did we finally start using voting symbols while I was away? ...no, those are just indicators, not a vote.... alas... ~Topaz♪♫∆02:11, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok, there is one problem left with my monobook. I narrowed it down to this:
#p-cactions li
{
position: relative;
white-space: nowrap;
float: left;
}
in the .css file. This causes tabs at the top of the page to wrap after a certain amount of space is filled. I am not sure what can be done, and it is in the css file... Prodegotalk17:59, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, it's acting like that because that's how float works... but you probably already knew that, right? I can fix it - how would you like it to act instead? Is it just not filling all of the space along the top? ~Topaz♪♫∆18:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I know that is the problem, but if I change it the userfunction tab stops working (the drop down gets very wide). That is what I don't know how to fix. :-) Prodegotalk18:11, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I would like the tabs on the top of the page to be the distance apart they are when float is used (2 margins), not wrapping (wrapping makes the wrapped buttons useless), and of course working ;-). I already tried 'white-space: nowrap;', and that didn't work. Thank you so much for helping me out, if you ever need anything I can help you with, please ask, I just wish I could repay you. Prodegotalk18:56, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Hmm... give me a series of steps I can take to get the tabs to wrap so I can see exactly what you're talking about. I've already switched to using your css and js. ~Topaz♪♫∆19:06, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
The only way you can see it is with Firefox's DOM inspector. On user talk pages there should be a spt (semiprotect) tab that doesn't appear because it wraps. You can't see the tab once it wraps, so the only way to find it is with a tool like the DOM inspector. Prodegotalk19:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
It actually might appear for you, since you don't have the delete and protect tabs... The other page with this problem is the confirm delete page, which of course is admin only. I can take a screenshot if you would like, but it will just show the lack of the tab. Prodegotalk19:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Alright, I see what you're talking about. Since the tabs are falling off the right side, would you prefer for the screen to just scroll to the right instead, or did you have a different solution in mind? ~Topaz♪♫∆19:15, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Scrolling is fine, I thought about a more complex solution, making drop down tabs like the userfunction tabs, for the different CSDs. For example a general tab, an article tab, ect for the CSDs, with A1, A2 and such under them, but I don't know how hard that would be to do, if possible and not to difficult, I would like that. Definitely scrolling for the User talk pages. Prodegotalk19:19, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Very nice! Would it be possible to create three of those? One titled "Articles", one "General", and the last "Other"? Prodegotalk19:46, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
There is one last thing. Can you add purge and page log buttons in the toolbox? That is something I have always wanted. Page log will bring up the log of the page, and purge will purge the page cache. Prodegotalk00:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I also have coding question, is it possible to change if(document.title.indexOf("User talk:") == 0) to make it true for "User:" as well? (Without copying the whole thing and the code following). As it is I have a large section of code in my monobook 4 times because of this (User:, User talk:, Editing User:, and Editing User talk:. This is of course the user functions tab). Prodegotalk14:40, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Absolutely. (Reducing code duplication like that is called refactoring in the industry, by the way.) You can make a compound conditional statement using || for 'or' and && for 'and', like so:
if(document.title.indexOf("User talk:") == 0 ||
document.title.indexOf("User:") == 0) {
// ... rest of the code ...
}
That simply says "the page title starts with 'User talk:' or the page title starts with 'User:'. ~Topaz♪♫∆16:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
That's it! (It works like a charm). My monobook file is finally complete. You did an excelllent job, you might want to get involved with the toolserver or WP:US. I am sure VoA would like coding help as well if you are intersted. And yes, admins can edit others js and css files, if not someone could create a User:Vandal/Topaz's personal info.js or something else like that, and it would not be removable ;-). Prodegotalk17:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
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I award Topaz my 9900th edit for his/her hard work on my monobook files. While I think I gave you enough awards already ;-), I can't thank you enough. Prodegotalk23:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Yaaay, thanks Prodego! That's quite an edit count you've got there! Congratulations on almost having a lot of zeroes in the decimal representation of your edit count! ~Topaz♪♫∆01:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Added them, but only the text comes up (not the images, like I put in statuschanger.js), and i put false to usepersonalbar, but it still uses the person bar :| --Deon555talkReview00:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Your first problem is that your statuschanger include line,
inc("User:Topaz/statuschanger.js");
is including my copy instead of yours. Change it instead to read
