User talk:Tonywalton/Archive-Mar-2009

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Regarding this

Hello! Please note that Colonel Warden and I have eliminated some of the more extraneous material and added some referenced items. Best, --A Nobody^My talk 03:15, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank You . . .

. . . for your quick response to my request for speedy deletion. --ACADAC, 16:57, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Topic: Theresa Meeker

Deleted - cut-pasted to User:Lillian0528/Theresa Meeker with a request to edit it there, not here.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Lillian0528 (talk • contribs) 16:08, 5 March 2009 (UTC) Lillian0528 (talk) 16:24, 5 March 2009 (UTC)Lillian0528

Layton Movie

You deleted the Professor Layton: The First Movie article. IT was about an upcoming movie! I had sources to confirm it, so please let me keep it up! AlexanderLD (talk) 21:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, Professor Layton is not a High School professor. It is a very succesful series of games in Japan. The source I used is from the official Level-5 (owner of the series) website. It WAS legit, and if the movie page shouldn't be up, then all the pages in reference to Professor Layton should be removed. I understand that this is what happens, but my sources are valid. AlexanderLD (talk) 00:15, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Sure, that's fine! Once more news about the movie comes out, I will set up the article again. As for know it can remain in the Professor Layton Series article. Thanks for the help! AlexanderLD (talk) 00:59, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry! But its a really fun game! I'm surprised you never heard of it, because the sales are very good across the UK. If you plan on buying Layton (and the sequels) you should get a DSi, because its cooler than a DS. AlexanderLD (talk) 11:30, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Joe Cell

Hi Tony, I've rewritten the article and included references, criticisms and a pseudoscience tag. What more do you need? Cheers, Krambambuli (talk) 14:54, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Problem is there is nothing out yet in terms of RS as there is a lot of misinformation out there. 'Proper' scientists won't go near it as they don't want to risk their reputation. Understandable, yet sad. Ten-thousands of people want to read about this thing and Wikipedia continues to censor/delete any attempt at making it legit. I'll keep trying Krambambuli (talk) 15:36, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, that was not what I meant. What I was trying to say was that a wiki page could act as an encyclopaedic entry about a controversial topic: neutral and objective. I'm not trying to 'reach' people, I want to clear up misinformation. The 'legit' comment was meant to say that other people who have done research on this thing can edit the article and add peer-reviewed sources. I can't do that myself, or any other 1 person for that matter. By deleting the page you're effectively taking away any chance of documenting the cell in the public domain.

And as for New Scientist et al., we won't see an article there until Toyota produces cars running on Joe Cells. It's a phenomenon that can't be explained at present, so can't we just leave it at that and call it 'inexplicable', 'pseudoscience' or whatever? Not everything on Wikipedia has New Scientist references..

But OK, I'll leave it be and go elsewhere. It's just very frustrating to see hours of work deleted at a whim.Krambambuli (talk) 01:11, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the advice. I just went ahead and fixed it, and posted a message on the talk page to let me know if my edit was wrong. The page was WP:TM. ZachInOhio (talk) 00:48, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Theresa Meeker

Thank you for changing where my edit takes place to my talk page. I have worked on the edit and would like additional feedback.

Lillian0528 (talk) 17:58, 12 March 2009 (UTC)Lillian0528

Theresa Meeker

I could keep the Shaun Silva connection and take out the others (driver, runway model). IMDb.com features a new selection of talent on the "Fresh Faces of the Week," a Gallery selected by the makers of IMDb.com. Having photos on IMDb.com is self promotion; however, having the photos featured is up to the IMDb.com web designers.

Lillian0528 (talk) 20:03, 12 March 2009 (UTC)Lillian

Thanks

Thanks for deleting my old Archives page. --Thomprod (talk) 12:22, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Happy Saint Patrick’s Day!

On behalf of the Wikipedia:Kindness Campaign, we just want to spread Wikipedia:WikiLove by wishing you a Happy Saint Patrick’s Day! Sincerely, --A Nobody^My talk 15:43, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Cheers - I'll hoist a Guinness or two. Tonywalton ^Talk 20:54, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Theresa Meeker

I edited a few things and would love feedback.

Lillian0528 (talk) 15:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)Lillian

208.3.91.202 back at it

Hi, I noticed that you blocked User_talk:208.3.91.202 about a week ago. Since then I guess the IP was unblocked and first edit was vandalism. This IP has many edits and all of them appear to be vandalism. I undid the edit but I have not added a comment over at that page because I thought it might be best for some continuity, that is for you to put a comment on the talk page. PDBailey (talk) 16:19, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

FYI, I rved a similar change from User:151.203.112.229 at [Ream]. Not sure how to deal with this, so I will leave the vandal warning up to you (as in I did not place one). PDBailey (talk) 22:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Natasha Richardson

You missed out the closing brackets (}}) from the ref tag, that was the issue. I have reinstated your text with the ref tag fixed. Regards, Woody (talk) 00:56, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that - I copied the whole thing to a sandbox and had just found out what I'd done (">>" instead of "}}"). Why oh why (as they say) is ref syntax so *^%* cumbersome when putting good references in is so &(^%*^% important... Cheers, Tonywalton ^Talk 01:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

VOA

After reviewing the user's contribs, I just decided that he's not here to contribute and VOA blocked. I did not mean to step on your toes after you left the 4th level warning. –xeno (talk) 19:34, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

No problem. It was only a matter of time anyway, I reckon. Tonywalton ^Talk 19:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

No doubt. cheers, –xeno (talk) 19:36, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

AN/I and "The Truth"

I saw Raquel's recent response to your suggestions (and may I add that was about as diplomatic as answer could have been), however I don't thinks that she "gets it". She still believes in "The Truth" and that we are engaged in "Orwellian Double-Speak"...I said it earlier in the thread, and I'll repeat, we're being trolled here in this case and I'm trying to use as much good faith as possible, but it's so close to being blatant trolling to me that I'm surprised. Wildthing61476 (talk) 20:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Sadly my bucket of AGF pills is running out on this one as well. I ask myself "if she gets blocked will she just see it as the Nasty Establishment Censurring Her Theery". Then I ask myself "do I care?" Tonywalton ^Talk 20:05, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

One of these things will happen: 1-She will "give up" and quit editing, in which we possibly lose an editor who may be able to develop into a good editor. 2-She lashes out at more and more people, causing her to get blocked, then proceeds to show how Wikipedia' is "part of the conspiracy". 3-She gets blocks and socks come out of the woodwork to "save Wikipedia" from the "conspiracy". I hate to feel that way about any editor, but it's so obvious I needed to comment. Wildthing61476 (talk) 20:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

That's why I'm working to bring 1b about (become a good editor), or at least 1a (give up and wander away muttering darkly about WP). 2 I don't care about - she can cause as much disruption as she wants off-wiki as long as it doesn't lead to meatpuppetry. Having lived through the drama that was the User:Iamandrewrice affair I should hate to see 3. Tonywalton ^Talk 20:18, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I_Am_Bob_the_VI

Thanks for picking up on the disruptive edits of user:I_Am_Bob_the_VI; I appreciate it. --  Chzz  ►  20:15, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

No problem. I hope he's just trying things out (WP:AGF, of course) but if he doesn't calm down he's looking at a short block to give him the opportunity to read some of the documentation without actually trying it out then and there! Tonywalton ^Talk 20:18, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, and, unfortunately, the block is necessary. I do hope that this one is salvageable - I have a great deal of sympathy for people like this; I see someone diving in with both feet, poking all the buttons to see what they do. If they can learn to restrict their playing to appropriate places, then such people have a great deal to offer the project. Cheers! --  Chzz  ►  21:14, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Definitely. He's as bad as me - I get a bit of kit home (camera, IP router, rice steamer, whatever, and dive straight in. Instruction books? Pah! Those are for wimps ☺ However my new camera or rice steamer isn't being viewed by thousands of people worldwide… Hope he learns. Tonywalton ^Talk 21:27, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the update; yes, I'll monitor the user too. --  Chzz  ►  21:01, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

As requested

I took the time to provide a sample of diffs, as you requested. Knepflerle (talk) 12:29, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

...and some even more conclusive evidence here. Comments would be appreciated. Knepflerle (talk) 13:03, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

user:I Am Bob the VI

Tony, that's fine. I meant what I said, and suspected that you might well pick up on the unblock. He is only a High School student, and hopefully will have learned a lesson. I had hoped that he might opt for adoption, but you can't have everything. I will, of course, watch him. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 18:43, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Apology

We at Fooglebuzz High School would like to apologize for the resent vandalism by "some user or other" (or as we know him "his real name") he is a bit slow. we will make sere it dose not happen agine. To help us in this can you give us his account password so we may monitor him.164.58.69.2 (talk) 20:15, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Tony

Hi and welcome back! Sorry for not responding before now but I'm so thoroughly tired of this that I'm making a serious effort to leave for real this time. My old user name had to be blacklisted because this lunatic was creating imposter accounts at an alarming rate. I can't leave e-mail open because that gets abused too. The kid is a manipulative pathological liar. He manipulated Jeffpw and abused his trust and then when Jeffpw died the kid had the nerve to try and take advantage of that too. The list of accounts and IPs here, on Simple and elsewhere is simply overwhelming. What's worse, every time he's lasted one or two weeks max before becoming disruptive. I'm also concerned that Iamandrewrice wasn't the parent account but I'm frankly too afraid of what I'll find to pursue this any further. I give up now. I'd out him here if I were allowed to but obviously I'm not so... I sent everything I have to TalkTalk but I'm unsure they'll do anything about it. After all, who would believe that anyone would go through all this trouble just to edit Wikipedia? EconomicsGuy. DanishWikipedian III (talk) 21:20, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello Tony

You do not know anything about advertising. Please stop changing it back under different names or I will tell the mods and they will block YOU not me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.39.35.178 (talk) 23:44, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Fail... Tonywalton is what you would call a mod, otherwise known as an administrator. Until It Sleeps 23:47, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Sigh. That's me reported to myself then. Let's see if I can apply some Clue. Doubt it, though. Tonywalton ^Talk 23:55, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh Tony, and in response to your reply on that IP's talk: 4chan.

Think I'd rather be a troll from Channel 4 ;-) I must admit for a troll that IP is funnier than some. I do like the trolls broke my wikipedia and now everyone disappeared!! I wonder which blocked user is sockpuppeting on that IP. Tonywalton ^Talk 00:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Tags

Not sure what I did. But I agreed to behave. Have I vandalized something? Hatchetguyfed (talk) 00:00, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure either. You'd better take it up with the editors who have expressed concerns in the first place. Regards Tonywalton ^Talk 00:07, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Question: Can I keep my user and talk pages clean? I do not like the boxes they keep putting on the user page? Hatchetguyfed (talk) 00:08, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

That would depend. If you are a sockpuppet then the tag should remain. If not then the guidelines say you're entitled to remove them. Tonywalton ^Talk 00:14, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Can my page be frozen then. If someone wants to put a box on my page it should be my talk page, no? Hatchetguyfed (talk) 00:17, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

The telling sign is this cryptic comment to User:CENSEI - [1] - who was kind of a kindred spirit to Axmann8. Either Hatchetguy actually is Axmann8, or he's trying to make us thing he is. Either way, he's gotta go. Baseball Bugs ^What's up, Doc? carrots 00:21, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, I'll add this to the checkuser, then. Tonywalton ^Talk 00:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Meanwhile, he should be blocked for impersonation, yes? And for disruption, because he's basically been playing this game all day long, to see how far he could get away with it. Baseball Bugs ^What's up, Doc? carrots 00:27, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, I get it now. Duh! "Fed" is like a synonym or cousin of "Ate", which he had used in an earlier sock today as a homophone of "8". Baseball Bugs ^What's up, Doc?

I'd still like to raise a checkuser. I'd add this user to the Axmann8 SPI but I can't actually find a previous Axmann8 checkuser case. Tonywalton ^Talk 00:34, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

He (or the troll) didn't start the socking until today (as far as we know) after he was indef-blocked yesterday. The 3 users today are obviously all socks of each other - the same M.O., the names all variations of "ax man 8/ate" - so it's either Axman himself, or a troll wanting us to think it's Axman. Baseball Bugs ^What's up, Doc? carrots 00:37, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Another possibly-related user is Chipdouglas (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), who is 4 years old and was dormant for the last 2 1/2 years, and suddenly turned up around the time of Axmann8's block, in a way somewhat connected with Axmann8, in terms of the pages he was interested in - although he's also got crossover with CENSEI, so it's hard to tell who's up to what. Baseball Bugs ^What's up, Doc? carrots 00:40, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

He's been indef-blocked by another admin. It's hard to tell how far the chain of these characters goes. There was a whole similarly right-wing sockfarm being run by KingsOfHearts (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), but he disappeared some months back, or so it seemed. Baseball Bugs ^What's up, Doc? carrots 00:44, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Chip Douglas is a bloody good typist for a four-year-old. Regarding Axmann8, who seems to be a bit of a linguist, it's interesting he doesn't (despite the "mann" bit) seem to speak German. German for Ax (or en-gb Axe) is "Axt". I see there's an SPI case on "Hombre ocho...". Thanks for adding HGfed to it. Tonywalton ^Talk 00:50, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

N'yuk! Chip Douglas (not to be confused with Chip Diller), is not 4 years old, only his ID. Axmann8 apparently named himself for the leader of the Hitler Youth. I kid you not. (Speaking of Chip Diller's crowd...[2]) Baseball Bugs ^What's up, Doc? carrots 00:55, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

←Yeah, in that case the '8' is probably meant as 'H' for Hitler ('H' is the 8th letter of the alphabet, see Combat 18). Sad. As for Chip Diller, you've lost me there. Tonywalton ^Talk 01:02, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I hadn't thought of 8 = H, but that could fit, or it could be something obscure. Maybe Artur wore jersey #8 in the touch football game at the annual Nazi company picnic. Regarding Chip Diller, unless you've seen the movie Animal House, it won't make any sense. But I made the connection because of a line in the movie where one guy from the crazy frat called Delta House is beaten up by members of the very straight-laced frat next door. When asked what happened, he says, "Oh, it was Greggie and Douggie and some more of the Hitler Youth." Baseball Bugs ^What's up, Doc? carrots 01:09, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Right. Guess you had to be there. Tonywalton ^Talk 01:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps the most often-quoted line from that film that I've heard, in the corporate world anyway, is cited whenever it seems like no matter you do, it's wrong in the eyes of management. As part of the initiation ritual, Chip Diller is in his undies, bent over with hands on knees, and being spanked, hard, by one of the frat members (Greggie or Douggie) using an oar-sized paddle. Each time he gets whacked, he says, with progressively greater pain, "Thank you sir! May I have another?" Baseball Bugs ^What's up, Doc? carrots 01:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like #4 on my list of "Films I'm glad I never wasted my life seeing", to be honest. Chacun a son goût. As for Axmann8, I think a ban looks likely. Tonywalton ^Talk 01:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

It's true we're not exactly talking Citizen Kane here. Baseball Bugs ^What's up, Doc? carrots 01:36, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

The Big Question: Will that "Ban" be a spray or a roll-on? Baseball Bugs ^What's up, Doc? carrots 01:38, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Another user pointed out that Chip Douglas may be connected with the IP series 24.187.* in connection with the Drudge Report article, where they have crossover interest. Baseball Bugs ^What's up, Doc? carrots 01:42, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, with regard to Ban, you've lost me again. With regard to 24.187.0.0 I'll take a look in the morning, and with regard to my local timezone 1am became 2am very suddenly a while ago, so I'm off to sleep. Regards, Tonywalton ^Talk 01:49, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Ban is or was a brand of deoderant - the type of product wikipedia has to apply from time to time. Cheerio. Baseball Bugs ^What's up, Doc? carrots 01:54, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

• It's a moot point now but on his talk page, when Landon asks him to stop his reply isn't 'I'm not a sock; I have no idea what you mean', or a variant thereof (which is what he tried here), it's 'OK'. HalfShadow 02:28, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Yes, he's either admitting to being a sock, or pretending to be one. Baseball Bugs ^What's up, Doc? carrots 02:44, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Or neither. There seems to be a prevailing wisdom round here that "if an unfamiliar user is familiar with Wikijargon then they must be a sockpuppet". While I'm fairly, well, OK, completely, convinced that Hatchetguy is a sockpuppet per WP:DUCK but I'm not sure it's a safe criterion to use in general. Tonywalton ^Talk 15:48, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Apparently the checkuser came back "positive". In any case, when a user with an obviously imitating name makes a point of saying "I'm new!" that "quacks" pretty loud. They always think they're the first ones to try something like that, and that we were born yesterday. Baseball Bugs ^What's up, Doc? carrots 18:36, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Question

Whats an Anagram? 20:32, 29 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nexanamight (talk • contribs)

That guy is now adding himself to the sockpuppet report page, saving us some time. Is there some way to choke off his IP address and put an end to this nonsense? Baseball Bugs ^What's up, Doc? carrots 20:42, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

You have to admire his style, in a way! To be honest until this ridiculous socking started I would have been very willing to argue a case for Axmann8 to be unblocked - WP:BIAS does seem to be rearing its ugly head. Not any more, though. As for blocking the IP, the checkuser should reveal the IP(s) he's using, and they can be blocked. Tonywalton ^Talk 21:09, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I asked several admins the same question and got pretty much the same answer - that he probably has a floating IP, and that the checkuser case may or may not fix it. Hopefully he'll just get tired of this childish game and go back to conservapedia, where I'm sure he'll be welcomed with open tentacles (although it has occurred to me that even they might tell him to get lost). Baseball Bugs ^What's up, Doc? carrots 21:12, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Even dynamic IPs can be rangeblocked. Tonywalton ^Talk 21:14, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

True. Checkuser reports usually take time to fully play out, so I reckon we'll just see what happens. Baseball Bugs ^What's up, Doc? carrots 21:21, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

72.39.35.178 is not getting the message

Hello Tony. For some reason this IP's activities are showing up on my watch list. The latest nonsense is him trying put up an IP banner on Momusufan's Talk page. Since I notice you having discussions with the IP, you could have an opinion on whether it's time for a longer block for disruptive editing. EdJohnston (talk) 22:29, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

"Nonsense" is the right word. As I'm sure you've seen from the edit histories, the only interaction between us was me trying to get them to edit like someone with at least half a brain, and them threatening to "report me to the mods". (Perhaps they meant these mods). I'm not entirely convinced this IP is a naïve user - something smells of socks about them; perhaps I just can't believe that anyone could be so clueless unless they were pretending to be… The diff you quote above does make me wonder a bit as well. Is the organisation in that whois purely random, or are we looking at some WP:OUTING? Either way, though I normally wouldn't like blocking an IP for a substantal length of time I think a longer block would be a good idea. Cheers, Tonywalton ^Talk 23:57, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

This editor seems to have violated 3RR at Advertising on March 25, but it's too late to do anything about that. With enough admins glaring at him, perhaps his behavior will change. EdJohnston (talk) 05:57, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Edit in Reference Desk/Language

Please explain, what exactly did you do in this edit, and why? --KnightMove (talk) 14:14, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Basically, i have no idea. Possibly WP:TROUT applies. Replied more fully on KnightMove's talkpage Tonywalton ^Talk 21:08, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

From Jean Tisserand

Hi! Tony,

Thanks for your help with my new article. The next time that I start one I will may sure that it doesn't go public until it is ready. Your helpful and understanding attitude is appreciated! Jean Tisserand (talk) 19:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Bob the VI

Tony; thank you for your help with this totally well-meaning user. I think we will finish up with a good editor here, if, perhaps, not a fast article creator. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 20:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

No problem at all. It's good to see someone willing to learn what WP is about! Tonywalton ^Talk 21:12, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, I've blanked one of these from Bob's talkpage, and there was a similar one on this talkpage, from the same IP, which outed Bob's real name (now oversighted). Just a heads-up. Tonywalton ^Talk 21:18, 31 March 2009 (UTC)