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Thank you for your terrific advice and for the links and stuff. Recently I've been getting more involved with the CDVF program, and also a little bit of RfA and AfD...so I guess I'm on the right track. I definitely agree with what you said. Your advice was very much appreciated...between you, User:Banes, and Sango, I have an excellent group of mentors. I can't thank you enough. I'll be working where you suggested. I agree, the user_talk page edits could go against me...but I'm working on a few of my own articles right now, so...we'll see. Thanks again!--ViolinGirl♪12:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
AWB
Hi, there is an option in the menu to mark all edits as minor, but just clicking the minor edit tickbox in the browser to do a one occasionally won't do any harm. Martin21:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Color schemes
All right. Don't tell me, but they probably kept 1 or 2 of those stupid Easter egg colors. "...strong hint noted." ?? I'm stupid, could you enlighten me?? :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by E. Brown (talk • contribs) 00:07, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Oh, oops, I did forget to sign the above comment, sorry. I do want to be an admin one day, mainly because I want to help and feel I can add a lot of value. I'm also tired of feeling helpless every time I come across a prolific vandal that has been warned several times but gone unblocked. And many other users have been very supportive of me. But I'm still working on the feedback given to me by my last RFA. Again, I do want to be an admin one day, but that's not the reason I made that comment. I was merely pointing out that I felt kind of weird speaking so authoritatively and thinking so big among a group I wasn't a part of. I felt kind of alone, you know, like a visiting-team member in the home team's locker room. It was just me being a worry wart again. (And this is me talking too much again ;) ) -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive00:23, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks! I'm waiting for the rest of our volunteers to report back before certifying the results. The announcement above by Wikizach was a little bit premature, but I'm sure the results now are correct anyways. More on this once the results are certified. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 01:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi there Tito. Was wondering if you could do the honors in blocking this vandal, Ham Kazerooni, another one of the vandals from earlier today. Thanks for all your help. — Moeε04:35, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
If I could, can I just start a list of socks he creates here so you can block them, if you don't want me too thats fine but your the only one I know who is here right now to deal with him, so can I or do you want me to list it somewhere else? — Moeε04:54, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the advise, and this message is to you, the other messages were not to you, nor your business, so get a grip and mind your own business. Thank-You Order of the phoenix06:03, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
open proxies
Actually, it was User:Fvw who had some code for checking open proxies, but he just ran it in batch mode, not in response to each IP that got blocked. However, I was under the impression that the developers actually put in code for this behind the scenes and were running it at one time, but got some ISP complaints and stopped. However, it could presumably be revived, and at developer level the code would undoubtedly have access to the underlying IPs of blocked registered accounts as well as blocked anonymous IPs. So that's probably the thing to pursue. I recall this being discussed with Brion or Tim Starling but don't recall the outcome... maybe it was left up in the air. -- Curps07:00, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Negroponte edits
I'm the one who edited the John Negroponte page that you reverted. I stopped cycling the edits once I realized that you are an Admin. Nevertheless, I believe that if you take your role seriously, you should take a hard look at that page and take action on your own. I have absolutely no axe to grind in this one, and don't know Negroponte from Adam. On the other hand, as a fair-minded, rational person, seeing an article that consists virtually COMPLETELY of partisan attacks (and no, just footnoting someone else's attack doesn't make it 'verifiable') makes a mockery of Wikipedia's 'peer reviewing'. If you look through the history of that page you will see quite a few questions about the NPOV issue, and calls for peer reviews. Unfortunately, the only people spending the time to write (surprise, surprise) are the partisans. What I did in the large edit that you reverted was simply to exise the attacks (which were COMPLETELY unbalanced. By no conceivable stretch of the imagination could they be considered remotely neutral.) What I left were purely the objective, verifiable facts, along with the dozens of links to the attack pages that say the same thing as the attack verbiage in the article.
If you really want to help Wikipedia, take a serious read of that article, and consider it from the perspective of a truly objective academic. If you were a university professor, and some student handed in a paper that relied primarily on that "wisdom of crowds" Wikipedia entry, you would give him or her an F. I would have no problem with that 1500 word hatchet job if it were balanced with a 1500 word supporting piece. But it isn't, so where is the neutral point of view? As a result, what is a fair-minded, NON-partisan Wikipedian supposed to do? I'm neither a fan nor a critic of Negroponte. As I said, I don't know him at all, or even much about him. But I do know a pure attack screed when I read one, and I was simply trying to help keep Wikipedia neutral and useful. So I ask you: if I'm not enough of an expert to quote chapter and verse in praise of Negroponte, but I'm reasonable to know that the existing entry is clearly UNreasonable, what am I supposed to do? Leave it so some impressionable elementary school kid researching a term paper swallows all that stuff without hearing any objective facts? I guess that under the concept of 'incremental revision' you were right to revert my wholesale edit, but now that you have stepped in, I think it is incumbent on you to carefully review that whole article you just replaced and determine whether it is, indeed, written with a NPOV. And if you don't believe it is, then YOU edit it in a way that would be acceptable to the Wikipedia community. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.161.90.146 (talk • contribs) 02:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Images
It's actually not hardcoded anywhere as its not really egregious. It is considered good style to right-align images at the beginning of a section as it becomes easier for the eye to read the text. Most of the top ten-fifteen people on this list avoid the left-alignment at the beginning, or do away with it completely. Regards, =Nichalp«Talk»=08:05, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Copyright of the Mexican government
Just wanted to give you a heads-up regarding images and works published by the Mexican government. These weren't in the public domain as per the "Ley Federal del Derecho de Autor" as it was written before July 23, 2003. Even with the current rendition of the law, it isn't entirely clear what is the copyright status of works by the government. This in relation to this image in commons and any others you may have seen around or uploaded yourself. Thank you. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ | Esperanza18:43, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
I point you to this edition of the law, in article 29. That article was modified to remove the explicit reference to the Mexican government and the change was effective on July 23, 2003. I was hoping the Diario Oficial of that day would offer any commentary on the issue, but I was found wanting.
I'd remove the image just to be on the safe side, unless you have the image's exact date and source. The fact that you've seen the image floating around campaign websites is not too encouraging either. Given the lack of culture in Mexico regarding copyright law, they might as well be in violation of somebody's copyright.
My lawyer says that without any explicit reference the copyright situation of works produced after that date would have to be defined by the courts now. In any case, we currently have a "Ley de Transparencia" request on the matter.
First, let me congratulate you on becaoming a member of the new Advisory Council. I would like to arrange a meeting with the Advisory Council in IRC either on Saturday or Sunday and wondered when it would be possible (taking time zones into account). Please could you respond on my talk page as soon as possible. Thank you. --Celestianpowerháblame20:59, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Are you sure that AWB thing is cleaning up correctly? Sections using the "new section" tool (like this one) create titles that have a space between the ==s and the words, but the AWB thing removes them. --AySz88^-^22:17, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for your support in the EsperanzaElection. I was unsuccessful in the end of the election but I would like to thank you for having confidence in me to be a future admin general/ advisory council member. — Moeε23:15, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations on your success in the election! the wub"?!"00:59, 31 December 2005 (UTC) P.S. I think you might want to update the wikistress meter on your user page :-)
Congrats! and Happy New Year! May this year be one in which we put tolerance for others and appreciation for life first. ≈ jossi ≈t • @05:04, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
yay! more newbie questions. (aren't you glad you're in esperanza?)
Hey Tito!
Hope you had a good Christmas. I don't know if you enjoy stopping the vandals but you were very helpful to me last time so I have another question for you. I found another one! 202.63.168.43 has done 3 blankings. Should I skip to a substtest 2a? maybe a 3? It seems like letting them vandalize like 10 times and hoping wikipedians aren't too lazy to warn them 4 times before we do anything is not very efficient. Is this up to the admins or is there a strict policy governing this? What do you think?
Also, someone blanked my comment on a talk page and several things have been added since then. Would reverting it take away the recent legitimate things? What do I do in this situation?
Sure, that sounds great, but I still think we should proceed with caution. Right now, all I expect we should do is comb through his diffs, and check out the work. Knowing what the community wants on WP:RFA (talk page interaction, RC patrol, and the like), I think we should be able to give some help. But I do have a little doubt about the process, just because I don't want other Wikipedians to see Esperanza as a "happy cabal," inserting their own candidates for adminship. What do you think? Cheers, Bratschetalk | Esperanza01:44, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Titoxd, could you email me so that we can start discussing some things about Esperanza? Celestianpower already has Karmafist's and FireFox's email already. Thanks a lot! Flcelloguy (A note?) 04:36, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Interesting. I was still having trouble getting the parsing of edit-section, and I've stopped work for now because I'm on a new computer and haven't downloaded the Java IDK or JCreator. Also, I've emailed all of you regarding Esperanza. Thanks a lot! Flcelloguy (A note?) 19:35, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm running into a bit of a problem right now - I transferred all my files from my old, corrupt computer into the new one, which doesn't have Java on it yet. When I opened the folder with the Java files, all it has is the .txt files and a .class file, which I can't open. Unless I'm mistaken, aren't the Java files supposed to be under .java, and shouldn't I be able to see them at least? Anyways, I'll attempt downloading soon, hopefully that will solve the problem. Thanks for your understanding! Flcelloguy (A note?) 23:15, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
It's input stuff (contribs and html I copied while testing). I can't seem to find the actual code, unless it's under .class (which I can't open). Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 23:20, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes - I could try transferring it again using the external hard drive. I'll download the Java in the next few days and see if that lets me access it. If not, I guess I'll transfer it again. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 23:35, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey Titoxd, we had a good meeting on IRC the other day, one of the things we talked about was trying to make a reformed version of NPA through the ideas of Esperanza as a whole, I was wondering what you thought about my process for it, as well as the idea overall. karmafist08:37, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Sorry about my reversions to BCE. All I saw were IP diffs with no summaries. I thought they were the ones changing it from standard. I wish you had left me a note on my talk page regarding the debate on Talk:Julius Caesar after you reverted me, as I ended up making the same mistake two more times. I should have checked the history, but a note would have been helpful. WAvegetarian(talk)(email)(contribs)10:51, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Hahaha, so what are we waiting for? I know this is a new thing, so do you guys have at least an approximate idea of where to start ;-) ? Need suggestions? -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ | Esperanza22:34, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! I'd say it'd be a good idea to go through the backlogs and have demonstrations of various admin activities, in a tutorial sort of way. I think it would probably be easier to do this through IRC or IM. What do you think? -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ | Esperanza14:22, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Admin Coaching
Hi there Titoxd. I noticed you were in charge of the "admin coaching" program. It is truly a great idea, one I think will provide a great service to wikipedians. I myself am not an admin yet (been here since July, declined a nom in December), but have quite alot of experience with the RFA process, having made three nominations. The long and the short of it is am I eligable to be a "coacher" if I am not an admin? Indeed, am I wanted to coach? (If those are both "no", dont worry, I wont be deeply offended.) Thanks Banes19:29, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Please, do not block me! :) If it is ok, I'll volunteer, if I can help out at all. About that nomination, I will sadly not be accepting it presently. Hopefully I can still work in the admin coachin area? Banes21:29, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the "Flowers, and you are most AAAAAACHOOO Welcome! (Sorry my pollen allergies are acting up:). I've seen you in action and know our confidence is well placed. Congrats and Happy new year fellow Esperanzian!--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine)02:44, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Edit counting
I know a little Java. However, I have access to the toolserver now [1], and if the block on faleg.org meant anything, it was that developers should use the toolserver rather than writing scrapers, so I'm working on getting things running on the toolserver instead. About the javascript version though, I really strongly believe that's the best non-direct-database way to go, beans or not. Even if someone were to delete local pages, it's still something that's rather democratic, in that offsite copies will always exist, and individual users can always make their own completely independent copy inside Wikipedia (since AJAX security restrictions require it to be served from en.wikipedia.org in order to run properly). So I'd urge you guys to work on that version instead, but that's just me.
Anyway, at this point, I mainly need 1) time to implement on the toolserver the ideas I already have, and 2) any new ideas others might have that can be implemented reasonably easily. Though at the point that faleg.org was blocked, I had quite a few ideas, and I'm sure some of them will be popular if they're ever implemented. --Interiot03:10, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm afraid that I don't quite understand how it works and what the parameters of the <ref> tag actually are.... But if/when I figure it out, I'd be happy to give a hand. :) Are there examples on Wikipedia already of the new style? --AySz88^-^06:35, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Even though it was unintentional, this made me laugh as hard as I have in weeks, and that was what I needed! I do have a question for you as well, is the KC affiliated with Esperanza? KnowledgeOfSelf | talk09:38, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry to see you have to leave for a while because of all of that, but I see what you're saying, and pretty much agree with you. Thank you for not leaving permanently. I hope everything gets cleaned up soon when people get their heads back in the right place. --AySz88^-^05:39, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
mfd archives
I'm not sure if you noticed, but I created archives for all the miscellaneous for deletion debates, and if possible, when closing a debate, would you mind moving it to the relevant archive? Cheers, Steve blocktalk10:41, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
For the love of God
First, I'm honored to be quoted in your manifesto. Second, I swear, if one more person in the Esperanza hierarchy goes on break, I'm deleting it as a blight on the site. First JCarriker, then Red, then me, then AA and RN, now Celestianpower and you! Esperanza is supposed to be keeping people here! Gahhhh! -- Essjay · Talk21:41, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Bye for now
Titoxd, I just read your rant and I was struck by how well you put in words what I see happening at Wikipedia these days. As I described it to someone else, yesterday, "The Wikipedia community is starting to turn into a big zoo, with big cats cornering each others and monkeys making lots of noise" (of course, this does not apply to every user and every part of the community, and it is in no way meant as a personal attack on anyone in particular). I'm not planning to leave it myself, for now I'll watch and learn, but it's painful to see so many people leaving. I hope you'll return one day, and even more, I hope one day the conditions around here will be such that you will want to return and feel good around here again. See you! --JoanneB22:33, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Glad you're back admin twin even if it is in a limited way. To be honest I'm feeling unsure about my own future here on Wikipedia. There is obviously too much contempt among the "elite", and no amount of restarting RFCs will take back some of the things that have been said. That rant sums up my feelings perfectly, I hope you don't mind me adding it to Category:Wikipedia essays and linking it shamelessly. the wub"?!"23:45, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
User box TfD
You said, "Delete all, per Tony's reasoning," thereby agreeing with Tony's statement that, "These userboxes must go because they turn Wikipedia into a network of people linked together by their factional interests,and as such are a grave danger to the neutrality policy." If you truly think that user boxes that convey factional interests should be deleted, then you should remove the Sun Devils box from your user page. Not only are you a Sun Devil, but a proud one to boot. This is a highly factional POV stance. The owned by cat box isn't far behind; it even has a category attached. Note that I think that both of these are perfectly fine boxes and hope that you change your mind instead of your user page to avoid hypocrisy. WAvegetarian(talk)(email)(contribs)00:33, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Nope, not changing it. I don't intent to add a category to it, and I'll have a serious talk with whomever abuses the box by campaigning with it. Titoxd(?!? - help us)00:36, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm just curious about this - why delete the userboxes instead of prohibiting people from using the categories/"what links here" to factionalize? Would it be too much work to warn/block those people? --AySz88^-^02:37, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Just to clarify, I don't mean to argue with you, I'm just trying to figure out whether there's a somewhat-clean solution possible. --AySz88^-^05:41, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Re: Admin?
Wow, thank you. It feels good to hear that. :) I'm probably not ready for it now, though; there's a lot of things people look for in those RfAs, and I don't have that much RC patrolling or voting in AfDs or things like those. Maybe towards the middle of the year, when I can be more active. :) --AySz88^-^06:57, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
hi there... I see you protected the list of social networking sites. Might I suggest it's time to now unprotect it, and see what happens? In any case, we need to remove Angpau and Favorville from the list now that they have been deleted for failing WP:WEB, per AfD discussions. Thanks, └ UkPaolo/talk┐18:25, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Rfa thanks
Hello Titoxd. Thank you for supporting my Rfa! I will try my best to be a good administrator. Please ask me if you need any help. --a.n.o.n.y.mt17:43, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
User:Titoxd/Status/Busy
Any chance you can make {{{3}}} without the wikilink brackets around it? Thanks for the feature..it's very useful. JHMM13 (T | C) 04:12, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I hate to be a pest old chap but what about those pending and unassigned admin coaching cases? Do we have to wait for you to assign them? Or do we just notify the trainees and get started? Regards Banes17:48, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Many thanks for your {{subst:RFA cliche 1}} on my request for adminiship, I'm sure you'll be glad to know the final result was 92/1/0. I am now an administrator and (as always) if I do anything you have issue with, please talk about it with me. --Alfmelmac10:04, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
