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xx (album)

Do you have the album's entry available in the 1001 albums book? I'd love to know the critic who wrote it and if they wrote anything useful for the article. Also, are you sure about it's the 2010 edition that this album was mentioned in? I noticed you made the mistake of citing the 2010 edition for Channel Orange, which was released in 2012. Dan56 (talk) 21:07, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that. I was using the banana cover version that is shown here [[1]], but which isn't a version one can find on Amazon. The inside says first published in 2010, which was what I was using in the citation, but now I see that below that it says sixth printing, 2014. I'll change the ref dates to be 2014. The writer for the xx entry is Keeley Bolger, a freelance journalist who has written for Channel 4, the BBC, Holy Moly and The Sun. Here's the text in its entirety. I'll delete it after you've had a chance to read it so I don't get accused of copyvio.

"A lot of the songs were written at night," revealed Romy Madley Croft, one half of the singing section in The xx, to Clash magazine. "We would play our instruments really quietly because we didn't want to wake anyone in my house up."

Free of slumbersome flatmates and families, school friends (sic) The xx'd debut album XX still has something of this quiet, tiptoeing quality. That it doesn't feel the need to be a brash, pot-banging, shoving-a-Maraca-in-your-face affair to warrant attention gives this clever album an air of timelessness that sets this London trio apart from their peers.

Bypassing bandwagons, xx is a hazy skip through The Cure, Scritti Politti, and even Chris Isaak's back catalog, but still sounds purposeful and fresh. "Islands" is punctuated with electronic handclaps and the three-piece's signature minimal musical fuss leaving them with lucid, brooding pop. "Basic Space" shows off Romy and co-singer Oliver Sims's hushed tag-team vocals, while "Crystallized" – the closest the band get to introducing a chorus – benefits from spiky guitars and a meticulous pace. "VCR" is replete with nursery keyboards and "Heart Skipped A Beat" is held up by hand claps and studious, almost R&B style beats.

There's not a superfluous note on this album, nor is there any vagueness on it sleeve – simply a massive white "X" to mark their territory. Indeed, xx is so sweet of distracting chaff, so bare boned in sound, it could have easily sighed into the distance, unnoticed. Instead, the hefty wedge of soul at its heart makes xx a rounded and accomplished debut from a band who give every impression of having a rosy career ahead of them.Timtempleton (talk) 22:33, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Ok thank you. Dan56 (talk) 23:22, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

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Undisclosed paid editing revisited

I think we need to discuss this again despite you categorically denying being a paid editor before. The main reason is that I found a blog post that you appear to have written in 2014 which discusses the benefits of using Wikipedia as a "powerful" marketing tool. It seems very unlikely to me that you would write such a piece while not being paid to create content. Whatsmore, you've continued to create what I think is highly questionable content about barely notable (or in cases almost certainly not notable) companies. Some examples:

• Nomadix (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) uses what are obviously press releases as citations e.g. [2] is [3] and [4] is [5]

• Security First Corp (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and their proprietary and non-notable technology, cryptographic splitting. Ref 6 is dead, but is [6] [7] is a self-serving interview. [8] is obvious PR.

• Viavi Solutions (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Where did "The devices support network rates up to 100G.^[citation needed]" come from? It was present in your first edit. This makes no mention of Viavi whatsoever, same here

• Semitrex (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) this is this

• Mansour Group (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) "non-profit activities" is sourced to this.

That's just from a half-hour or so of checking, so I suspect that there is more. This could be excused as incompetence, but there appears to be a simpler explanation, given what you have written elsewhere. Do you have any comments before I pass this onto the wider community? SmartSE (talk) 23:00, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

I mentioned during your last challenge of my editing that I'm a marketing adviser and sometimes do company articles to get the attention of prospects, but don't do any undisclosed paid editing. I've been on the site for a while, and know the rules. I properly disclosed an earlier conflict of interest in doing my father's article and haven't edited it since. I think I know the blog post you are referring to; if I recall correctly you and I also discussed it a while back. In it I explain what a great resource Wikipedia is for people seeking quick info, but I also clearly explain how to use the articles for creation process to get new noteworthy articles onto the site. Because you thought it looked like a solicitation, I deleted it, but it may still be floating around in a Google index cache where I can't do anything about it. If you have the text, please feel free to share it with anyone else so they can decide for themselves if I'm soliciting business. I looked at the first article you mentioned above - Nomadix - and I didn't cite any press releases. Nothing I've written should require any primary sources to be notable for inclusion, or else they wouldn't have been patrolled and accepted. As a matter of fact, I added that Viavi "citation needed" specifically because I could find the throughput info only on their site, and didn't want to taint the article with a primary source. JDSU was the name of the company that spun off Viavi - sorry if that wasn't clear in the article - so that's why the third party JDSU coverage was used as a Viavi source. Some publications that are starved for fresh content may write articles closely based on press releases, so rather than try to find similarities between third party publications and the press releases that "inspired" them, you might be better off looking for promotional content that is out of place in an encyclopedia. My editing isn't perfect, and I probably could fine tune some earlier articles, but I have no special inside insight into any of my subjects - everything I've written is sourced from Google, readily available for everyone to see. And BTW, I've been spending a bit more time on the afd discussion boards to sharpen my "notability radar", and if you look at my recent contributions, with the exception of a weak keep that I was unenthusiastic about after hearing from another editor Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michelle Copeland, you'll see that 100% of my votes, whether keep, delete or merge, matched the final resolution.Timtempleton (talk) 00:17, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

The blog post isn't one that we had discussed before. I don't want to be accused of outing you, despite you semi-outing yourself so I'll email you the link.

Noamdix doesn't directly cite press releases but the example links I provided are clearly churnalism of the press releases and indicates that the sources are not RS. That should be pretty obvious just from reading them.

The crux of the issue is that the content certainly looks like that created by other undisclosed paid editors, and for these obscure companies there is obviously a marketing benefit of having an article. Content doesn't need to be overtly promotional to help with SEO does it? The main question for me is why you would create these articles in the first place?

I'm not sure why you keep on bringing up WP:OR either (saying that all the information is available online, rather than gained from the company) as this has nothing to do with it. Similarly, how you !voted at AFDs is just obsfucating the issue.

I'm going to have to get more eyes on this, since we can argue between each other forever. SmartSE (talk) 13:56, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

No argument - no drama - it's all good. I sent you an email in response to yours. I've done a wide range of articles, and many of my new articles and edits are inspired by what I read in the news. If it looks like the company is notable, and they aren't on the site already, I do an article. I'm usually good in my instincts. If I can't do a good article about a subject without having to go to their web site for info, I usually don't do it because that tells me they're not notable enough to survive patrol scrutiny. Indeed, the only article deletion (well, redirect actually, but the same net effect) I've had in the past five years was for Dan Rodrigues, which was patrolled and up for nine months before you nominated it for deletion. He founded two companies that are on Wikipedia - I thought that was enough to pass the notability threshold. Per your other query, I felt it important to mention how I'm using public sources because I want to make it clear that I don't have any inside information about any of my subjects - everything in the articles is publicly reported somewhere. You identified some news that's close to press releases - but that's how many news sources get their news. That's why companies issue press releases. I'm also not sure what in my articles suggests I'm being overly promotional - if I knew, I'd immediately try to fix it. And you're right - we didn't discuss the blog post - my mistaken memory - it was my web site. I help people understand how Wikipedia works while following the rules, and since that wasn't clear, I've removed anything that might suggest otherwise. Thanks again for pointing out that post - it's also gone now.Timtempleton (talk) 03:42, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Apologies for the delay. I'm afraid that I'm still not particularly convinced, but I'm not sure how to proceed (hence the delay). I'll certainly be sending some articles to AFD in the future so I guess we'll take it from there. If I'm wrong, then I hope I haven't been unnecessarily confrontational. SmartSE (talk) 23:24, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

No need to apologize. We all want the same thing here - to make this the best Encyclopedia it can be. I wouldn't expect my contributions to be treated any differently than anyone else's, and am happy to let my articles and edit history stand on their own merits. If you think some or all of my articles are not worthy of being on the site, I'm happy to discuss, either here or in the AfD forum. We both know that there are wide ranges of opinions on what is worthy, but as long as the discussion participation is fair, all is good. In the meantime, can you send me the names of some of the best articles you've written, so I can compare to see what I might be doing wrong? I tried to find some in your contribution survey but can't tell them apart from the many moves you've done, and would rather spend my time editing. Thanks.Timtempleton (talk) 00:49, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

I'll offer my own: User:Brianhe/Created and in the topicons you can click through to three Good Articles. The Featured Article is the gold standard, but I have not done one (yet). If you can find a FA from the WikiProject Companies list, that would be a great model. - Brianhe (talk) 00:59, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Leonard's Bakery makes me hungry! Analyzing the article, I see a mix of known and not so known sources, but the main difference is there are geographical coordinates, which I thought were being phased out, more photos, and integrated quotes from some of the sources. I can look in commons to see if there are photos that I can add of products and other article related items. I've done a few edits of music articles and included quotes from reviews, but I'm pretty sure that if I did the same for a tech company articles, I'd be accused of promotionalism. Well, back to Poland - Legobot calls!Timtempleton (talk) 01:18, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

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Kinetica?

Hello, a while back you seemed to notice that I was trying to clean up the article Kinetica (software) by filling some citations and removing some external links. It looks like a single-purpose account reverted many of those. Please take a look and offer an opinion if you have the time, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. W Nowicki (talk) 23:42, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Sure - I'll take a look. Timtempleton (talk) 18:57, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

W Nowicki I liked your version more. I changed it back, and made a few minor edits to fix it up even more. Looks like a better starting point. Timtempleton (talk) 20:06, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Your support is much appreciated, thanks! However, looks like you were reverted too. Sigh. W Nowicki (talk) 00:01, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

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I hereby invite you!

I see you're a Mets fan like me. Therefore I invite you to the the WikiProject. Leggomygreggo8 (talk) 14:58, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Count me in! Timtempleton (talk) 22:03, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

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