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AfC notification: Draft:Douglas, Washington has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Douglas, Washington. Thanks! Chetsford (talk) 19:58, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks, it's a little more 'corporate-speak' than I'd really like, but I'm glad it gets the meaning across. BTW I removed the 'verification needed' tag on the book citation because the full citation of the book was given. A preview is also available on Google Books. --122.108.141.214 (talk) 04:45, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

@122.108.141.214: It's no problem! Thanks for letting me know, I put the tag up because I think I found the same Google Books preview but could not view page 221 that's cited. – The Grid (talk) 13:39, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Copying within Wikipedia

Your recent addition to 2017 World Rowing Championships looks as if it has been copied from 2018 World Rowing Championships, but there is no sign of any attribution. May I remind you of the copyright aspects of copying within Wikipedia. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:14, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Thank you for the message. Does my edit provide sufficient attribution? – The Grid (talk) 15:34, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I would have thought that would do. There is also {{copied}} which can be used, but as it is unlikely in this case that the source article would be deleted while the destination article exists there is probably no need to use that method too. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:47, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

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Douglas, Washington, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.
The article has been assessed as Stub-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

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Hi The Grid, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autopatrolled right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! ~Swarm~ {talk} 21:25, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

@Swarm: Thank you! – The Grid (talk) 21:28, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

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Follow up on an edit re Catalytic Products international

Hi Grid,

Below is the edit you provided on my page Catalytic Products International. I wanted to assure you I was not avoiding improving the draft after it was declined. I made the edits that were requested and felt it was ready for others to review. I submitted for edit already but wanted to get others to review which is how we used to do this.

The person who initially reviewed, seemed very nice but I felt was not clear on some details regarding notability. I was just trying to get another set of eyes on the doc but absolutely not trying to circumvent the review process. Apologies if that is how it appeared. How do i get someone new to review?

"This is an old revision of this page, as edited by The Grid (talk | contribs) at 17:04, 25 February 2019 (The Grid moved page Catalytic products international to Draft:Catalytic products international: Purposely avoiding improving Draft:Catalytic Products International after its AfC submission was declined). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision."

Thanks,

Bctwriter (talk) 18:16, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry for assuming the wrong intentions, Bctwriter. When a submission gets declined, it's simply declining the latest edit of the draft at the time. You can always resubmit another attempt for the article on the same article page. – The Grid (talk) 20:14, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

No worries, I was not offended. I have resubmitted and hope for more feedback soon. Thanks Bctwriter (talk) 14:03, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:Road Rangers Service Patrol

Hello, The Grid. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Road Rangers Service Patrol".

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Newsletter • June 2019

Updates: I've been focusing largely on the development side of things, so we are a lot closer now to being ready to actually start discussing deploying it and testing it out here.

There's just a few things left that need to be resolved:

  • A bunch of language support issues in particular, plus some other release blockers, such as the fact that currently there's no good way to find any hubs people do create.
  • We also probably need some proper documentation and examples up to even reference if we want a meaningful discussion. We have the extension documentation and some test projects, but we probably need a bit more. Also I need to be able to even find the test projects! How can I possibly write reports about this stuff if I can't find any of it?!

Some other stuff that's happened in the meantime:

  • Midpoint report is out for this round of the project, if you want to read in too much detail about all the problems I've been running into.
  • WikiProject Molecular Biology have successfully set up using the old module system that CollaborationKit is intended to replace (eventually), and it even seems to work, so go them. Based on the issues they ran into, it looks like the members signup thing on that system has some of the same problems as we've been unable to resolve in CK, though, which is... interesting. (Need to change the content model to the right thing for the formwizard config to take. Ugh, content models.)

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Adding antipsychotics and revising medication management

Hi. How do we improve this section? people keep revising it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rsultan1984 (talk • contribs) 20:26, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

@Rsultan1984: The article's talk page would be the starting place. – The Grid (talk) 20:30, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

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ASCE article edits... Comment

Greetings User:The Grid. I see that you made extensive edits on the American Society of Civil Engineers article. Eight edits with some adds and deletions. In one of your edits, you added "over-quotation" and "technical" tags (within "multiple issues" to the article. Can you elaborate on your comments? As I mentioned in my talk page comment, I am trying to parallel track the ASCE material to the IEEE and ASME articles

Cheers Risk Engineer (talk) 15:22, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Hiya @Risk Engineer:! It's been a while since editing the article and I thank you for asking about my edits.

  • I was a bit confused with how the page had direct quotes that were 2+ sentences and didn't really integrate into the article. The ellipsis from the quotes didn't seem necessary in how material was quoted, MOS:ELLIPSIS mentions the usage to be for inbetween or between breaks in quotes. I saw them at the front and back of the quotes so it makes the article flow rather oddly when reading the history of ASCE. This is where the overquotation tags came into play initially as my first edit and then I decided to edit the pages as I'm also an active ASCE member. I know it's a lot of edits altogether but I tried my best to summarize each edit that was done.
  • I removed the Natural Wonders of the Modern World as it didn't really explain much. It's a list that ASCE made in 1994. It's referenced in Wonders of the World word-for-word. Perhaps if other lists that ASCE created that seem notable then a section can be mentioned. Perhaps, something similar to mentioning the state Report Cards?
  • Infoboxes are for at a glance information. Don't need to fully explain what a value explicitly means - it's for when the values are described in the article to potentially fully explain the numerical figures or even present it as a hatnote.
  • MOS:CREDENTIAL is where we shouldn't state people's credentials such as Dr., P.E., F.E., or the related ASCE designations such as M.ASCE, F.ASCE, Dist.M.ASCE, etc. - we can assume it's a educational background without the titles and very, very few would even know the ASCE designation. I've learned this myself with editing some articles.
  • Provided a direct first reference to Form 990 for the sources from the IRS. It just made sense as they host a copy on their own website.
  • The Advocacy is where I should have pushed the technical tag down to instead of the article as a whole. There's a lot of bullet points but a lot of them are just one words. I'm really concerned on how the section fits overall.
  • A lot of my editing is copyediting. Just cleanup to present the article without it presenting huge section titles.

I think that might be a bit of information and I'm hoping it's not something to take too critically. – The Grid (talk) 18:06, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks for your detailed and constructive assessment of the article. I would like to build upon your outline above and propose the following:(I listed your comment first with my response below it.)
Address issue with the use of direct quotes that were 2+ sentences and didn't really integrate into the article.
I will go thru and review the article on this basis. You may have addressed these issues but I will review it one more time.
Natural Wonders of the Modern World: Perhaps if other lists that ASCE created that seem notable then a section can be mentioned. Perhaps, something similar to mentioning the state Report Cards?
Great suggestion, I'll look into that...
MOS:CREDENTIAL your comment noted that is the case "where we shouldn't state people's credentials such as Dr., P.E., F.E., or the related ASCE designations such as M.ASCE, F.ASCE, Dist.M.ASCE, etc. - we can assume it's an educational background without the titles and very, very few would even know the ASCE designation.
I now understand the argument with respect to the related ASCE designations. Doing some research into the medical articles and reading the MOS, I now concur with your approach. Similar to the first, I will reread the article using this revised basis.
Advocacy is where I should have pushed the technical tag down to instead of the article as a whole. There's a lot of bullet points but a lot of them are just one words. I'm really concerned on how the section fits overall.
I now understand the argument and would propose to move the technical tag down to this section as well as copy edit to address the issue.
After this, I would propose another review with you to see if it's appropriate to remove the article tag.
Many thanks ... --Risk Engineer (talk) 16:48, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
Risk Engineer, thanks for the response back. I look forward to reviewing the article again and probably discuss more on the talk page. Thank you for understanding. – The Grid (talk) 19:57, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Against secondary sources

Why are you against secondary sources? (Android 10 (operating system)). Your argument against them seems nonsensical. ViperSnake151  Talk  18:12, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@ViperSnake151: Why are you against providing the primary source along with the secondary sources? Google is providing an update to their Android program with this announcement. Right from the guideline: A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. The journalism for tech companies today merely states the same thing from the primary source with their own commentary added. If you meant WP:PSTS, there is no reason to omit either source. For which, I apologize for doing with my most recent edit. The primary and secondary sources should be sourced together. – The Grid (talk) 18:32, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

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Hi @The Grid: I've wrapped up my first run-through of the review. Ganesha811 (talk) 16:53, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Thank you @Ganesha811:. Let me just read your comments and provide a response to them. – The Grid (talk) 20:13, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

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What do you think about archiving active discussion?

What do you think about archiving active discussion? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAndroid_10&type=revision&diff=914534633&oldid=914534622   Thanks, Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 03:19, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

When you were warned to actually conduct a discussion and that if you didn't actually discuss, which is what I did, I think it's perfectly acceptable. You had been told multiple times that you could create a summary in the lede, but you ignored that request because you wanted to make it a list bullet points of changes or enhancements. Three different editors reverted your addition of such a list. Take a hint and stop forum shopping. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:05, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
Should I warn you about playing games? Which discussion didn't I discuss? You are the one playing games. Your conduct is reprehensible. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 04:01, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
@Daniel.Cardenas: It seems like it's forum shopping. What could have been kept in one place, you expanded to 3 different places for discussion. Walter Görlitz could have closed the discussion thread instead of archiving but I don't understand why you don't want to try to centralize the discussion about your concerns as it seems he was keeping it to where you originally posted it at WT:MOSLIST. The archived discussion is still there for reference. – The Grid (talk) 12:58, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
WT:MOSLIST was specifically about the claim that lists are not allowed in leads. The discussion in android article was specific to that content.
In more detail. Android 10 article talk page was about not meeting wp:lead guideline of about 4 paragraphs of content and discuss what makes the article interesting. The Android 10 talk page was started first. On that talk page the claim was made that it violates the list guideline. So another list talk page was started on the list talk page to discuss if that is true. Each talk page is best to discuss each subject and there is zero forum shopping. The best talk page at the best time is being used to discuss respect content.
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WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 15

Newsletter • September 2019

A final update, for now:


The third grant-funded round of WikiProject X has been completed. Unfortunately, while this round has not resulted in a deployed product, I am not planning to resume working on the project for the foreseeable future. Please see the final report for more information.

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Guideline and policy news

  • Following a discussion, a new criterion for speedy category renaming was added: C2F: One eponymous article, which applies if the category contains only an eponymous article or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories.

Technical news

  • As previously noted, tighter password requirements for Administrators were put in place last year. Wikipedia should now alert you if your password is less than 10 characters long and thus too short.

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

  • The Community Tech team has been working on a system for temporarily watching pages, and welcomes feedback.
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Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 9

News and updates associated with user scripts from the past two months (August and September, 2019).

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Parlophone split

As nobody has objected to your proposal to split Parlophone, I suggest that you just go ahead. The (mainly uncited!) list of artists has overwhelmed the article. Left to me, I would just delete the lot! --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 11:52, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – November 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2019).

Guideline and policy news

  • A related RfC is seeking the community's sentiment for a binding desysop procedure.

Arbitration

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Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 10

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Google Code-In 2019 is coming - please mentor some documentation tasks!

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Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 11

News and updates associated with user scripts from the past month (November 2019).

Hello everyone and welcome to the 11th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

Enjoy your thanksgiving --DannyS712 (talk) 08:22, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – December 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2019).

Administrator changes

added EvergreenFir • ToBeFree
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CheckUser changes

readded Beeblebrox
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Interface administrator changes

readded Evad37

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

Arbitration

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1935 Labor Day Hurricane Changes

Do not understand what you mean - even if Roosevelt was in the area, why would not having a log mean he was either there or not? - What log are you referring to? The fact that FDR traveled by car from Florida City to Key West on February 18, 1939 is well documented. He was accompanied by reporters. There was and still is only one way to do this, driving on the Overseas Highway through Islamorada within a stone's throw of The Florida Keys Memorial. The Memorial was a WPA project funded by the Federal Government and on the occasion of its dedication on November 14, 1935 FDR sent a telegram to be read at the dedication ceremony. That there is no mention of FDR even noticing the Memorial as he motored by, let alone stopping to make some comments is noteworthy and suggests his indifference to the victims.Bcrford (talk) 03:29, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

@Bcrford: the sources provided are reliable resources that Roosevelt was at Key West on February 18, 1939. There's no denying this finding of fact with the sources provided. However, much of the paragraph sounded like synthesis which is original research. I'm going to quote directly from the policy: Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources.
  • Before the removal, the paragraph was the following:
On February 18, 1939, President Roosevelt had the opportunity to see the memorial for himself. His motorcade passed through Islamorada on the way to Key West where he was to begin a visit with the battle fleet on maneuvers. But there is no record that he made a stop; no mention in newspaper reports,[1] the President's daily calendar,[2] or in a press conference[3] held during a lunch stop at the CCC camp on West Summerland Key (renamed Scout Key in 2010). This omission is puzzling in that he had sent a telegram to the dedication in which he expressed "heartfelt sympathy" and said, "the disaster which made desolate the hearts of so many of our people brought a personal sorrow to me because some years ago I knew many residents of the keys."[4] The welcoming committee included Key West Mayor Willard M. Albury, and other local officials.[5]

References

  1. ^ Miami Daily News, February 19, 1939, p. 1 and 10, Roosevelt. Google News
  2. ^ FDR Presidential Library. Day by Day, February 18, 1939. FDR Library
  3. ^ FDR Presidential Library, Press Conference #526, February 18, 1939, p. 152. FDR Library
  4. ^ Cite error: The named reference flickr.com was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  5. ^ Miami Daily News, February 16, 1939, p.1, Florida Awaits Train Bearing Roosevelt Here. Google News
  • I highlighted the sentences that appear to be synthesis in red. You provided some great references and the statements that are provided with reliable sources are in green. However, we can't make our own conclusion from these published materials unless the resources make this conclusion. I understand what you're implying on the importance but we're not here to right great wrongs - we just state what is from the sources. You have provided a great amount of material to the article and please don't take it personal for any editing or markup that is being done to your contributions. – The Grid (talk) 13:45, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Your objection appears to be that describing an historical figure's act or omission as "puzzling" somehow crosses a line of impartiality. My conclusion that it may evidence indifference does not appear in the article. That's left to the reader. History is replete with puzzling behavior. To censor descriptions of such instances distorts our understanding, in this case, of a very complex man.– Bcrford (talk) 17:36, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Eye Strain: 01 January 2020

Hello "The Grid". With reference to the blog post that was linked in the eye strain page: I agree that to be of encyclopedic value it needs to have a citation from a reputed source. However, when current scientific methods have no technique of measuring extraocular eye strain, and the author has been through many years of experimentation and is unbiased and honest in the opinions provided, and the blog post is not self-serving (there are no ads on the blog and the post promotes only uninterrupted sleep, which is medically proven), it does partially qualify as having encyclopedic value (via statements of opinion, "When using them, it is best to clearly attribute the opinions in the text to the author and make it clear to the reader that they are reading an opinion"). Since this is an outlier case that medical professionals are unaware about, and this blog post presents known facts and unknown facts as-is, in an honest and unbiased manner, and since current medical research mandates that experimentation on a particular topic cannot be performed on a single test candidate, it is extremely difficult to obtain a published citation from a reputed medical journal. However, since the author has taken a logical approach, has provided proper reasons and does not make any outrageous claims, it might be a candidate source of knowledge on a topic that is yet to receive attention from the medical community, and can currently provide relief to people suffering from chronic eye strain, by unbiasedly informing them of the root causes of fatigue-related eye strain, while debunking myths propagated by medical professionals and the general public. A stark contrast is available in a blog post by another author on the topic of chronic eye strain (a similar outlier case), where the claims made are superficial and much less credible. The rules on self published sources appear to be about blog posts on the personal lives of people. If there is a way to link to the eye strain blog post or to cite it within Wikipedia's rule framework, please do. If there isn't, then a valuable piece of knowledge is just going to be lost in a sea of myths propagated in a field that has been unable to cure fatigue-related eye problems. Navinwiki (talk) 04:58, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2019).

Guideline and policy news

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

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Administrators' newsletter – February 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2020).

Guideline and policy news

  • Following a request for comment, partial blocks are now enabled on the English Wikipedia. This functionality allows administrators to block users from editing specific pages or namespaces rather than the entire site. A draft policy is being workshopped at Wikipedia:Partial blocks.
  • The request for comment seeking the community's sentiment for a binding desysop procedure closed with wide-spread support for an alternative desysoping procedure based on community input. No proposed process received consensus.

Technical news

  • Twinkle now supports partial blocking. There is a small checkbox that toggles the "partial" status for both blocks and templating. There is currently one template: {{uw-pblock}}.
  • When trying to move a page, if the target title already exists then a warning message is shown. The warning message will now include a link to the target title. [1]

Arbitration

  • Following a recent arbitration case, the Arbitration Committee reminded administrators that checkuser and oversight blocks must not be reversed or modified without prior consultation with the checkuser or oversighter who placed the block, the respective functionary team, or the Arbitration Committee.

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Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 12

News and updates associated with user scripts from the past two months (December 2019 and January 2020).

Hello everyone and welcome to the 12th issue issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 06:12, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 13

News and updates associated with user scripts from the past month (February 2019).

Hello everyone and welcome to the 13th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

I hope everyone is having a great year so far! --DannyS712 (talk) 15:53, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

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