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Hello, The4lines! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. You may benefit from following some of the links below, which will help you get the most out of Wikipedia. If you have any questions you can ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or by typing four tildes "~~~~"; this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you are already excited about Wikipedia, you might want to consider being "adopted" by a more experienced editor or joining a WikiProject to collaborate with others in creating and improving articles of your interest. Click here for a directory of all the WikiProjects. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field when making edits to pages. Happy editing! Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:14, 29 October 2019 (UTC) Getting Started Contributing to Wikipedia • Tutorial • Your first article The five pillars of Wikipedia • Simplified ruleset How to: edit a page • upload an image Getting Help Frequently Asked Questions Directories and indexes Where to: ask questions • make requests Tip of the day Request administrator attention Policies and Guidelines Neutral point of view • Reliable sources Verifiability • Citing sources • No original research What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons Manual of Style (Simplified) • Three-revert rule Copyrights • Non-free content • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism • Sock puppetry Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The Community Community Portal • Adopt-a-user program Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • Resolving disputes Build consensus • Village pump IRC channels • Mailing lists The Signpost (Wikipedia's newspaper) Things to do Be bold in editing • Help develop an article Maintenance • Peer review • Requested articles Join a WikiProject • Translating articles Cleaning up: General • Spam • Vandalism Miscellaneous Categories • Disambiguity • Stubs User pages • Talk pages Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

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Mentoring

@Fylindfotberserk Hello, thanks for the tips that you gave me.(: Also I would like that someone to mentor me, I would like for you to mentor me, but if you don’t want to could you give me a list or something of people that can. Thanks! The4lines (talk) 17:04, 29 October 2019 (UTC)The4lines

Always happy to help. As for mentoring, I don't know much about the "voluntary mentoring" (the official stuff), though I try to help everyone that ask for. Another tip, to call (ping) someone, you need to type {{ping|Fylindfotberserk}} instead of "@Fylindfotberserk". Secondly, your comment should end with 4 tilde i.e. ~~~~, which will automatically put you signature at the end, without which ping will not work. I got your message through the watchlist, which is a different thing. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:16, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Ok I did not know. For the mentoring it is your choice if you want, I just want a mentor to ask questions not the official things your choice.

The4lines (talk) 17:21, 29 October 2019 (UTC)The4lines

Yeah, that's how you do it. As for asking questions, you can come to me at anytime. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:33, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! The4lines (talk) 18:19, 29 October 2019 (UTC)The4lines

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Indic script

Just to let you know, there's a policy WP:NOINDICSCRIPT according to which Indian scripts could not be used in India-related articles, except articles on Language, Scripts (obviously) and Religion. I've removed the Kannada script added by you here. Hope you understand. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:17, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for telling me that. The4lines (talk) 17:15, 29 October 2019 (UTC)The4lines

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Questions

This talk is for questions. The4lines (talk) 18:44, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Quick question, where would you think is the place or somthing that would be the place that would need editing? Do you know? --The4lines (talk) 23:08, 29 October 2019 (UTC)the4lines

Check Special:RecentChanges. You can see what's going on at present. You can help by reverting obvious vandalism. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:07, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: How much vandalism do you see/revert? Out of curiosity.

I believe around 100 per day, that too from my watchlist alone. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:57, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Oh man, that is a lot! So the recent changes should be a good place to check of edits. What do you have on your watchlist, since you have so much vandalism?

6000+ articles. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:32, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

WOW.The4lines (talk) 16:44, 30 October 2019 (UTC)The4lines

@Fylindfotberserk: How hard is it to get a rollback job? For me it is really hard for me to revert vandalism, because I’m using a iPad normally (sometimes I use my computer). The4lines (talk) 17:20, 30 October 2019 (UTC)The4lines

You only have 26 edits. You need not worry about those rights. Rollback rights are not given based on number of edits, it depends on experience and past behavior. Granting admins will check your edit history thoroughly. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:30, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Sorry for a the question but, how do I see how many edits I have? The4lines (talk) 21:08, 30 October 2019 (UTC)The4lines

Using this tool. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:53, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Do you think should stay just reverting vandalism, or should I edit more pages.

Reverting vandalism is an important job, but that's not why most people come to Wikipedia. Editing and creating articles are the primary things people do here. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:20, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Yeah, but it is hard to find stuff to edit. The4lines (talk) 17:26, 1 November 2019 (UTC) The4lines

Just click on random pages. You will come across spelling mistakes, grammatical mistakes, etc which you can correct. Don't be hasty. I created my account in February 2009, but I edited my first article in January 2010. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:30, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Ok sorry. The4lines (talk) 00:01, 2 November 2019 (UTC)The4lines

Why sorry? You are asking questions that's all. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:57, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks you made my day! The4lines (talk) 14:37, 2 November 2019 (UTC)the4lines

@Fylindfotberserk: Also I started using twinkle because I saw that it is a good tool. (Also you have it) Do you think it is a good idea to use it? The4lines (talk) 15:06, 2 November 2019 (UTC)The4lines

@Fylindfotberserk: Before I forget, is putting your own opinion on a page vandalism or not because I just undid with twinkle and put rollback not rollback(vandalism)? The4lines (talk) 15:20, 2 November 2019 (UTC)The4lines

If you see blatant vandalism e.g someone changing the name of the article's subject from say "The Undertaker" to "assfdsahhjj", use the Red one [rollback (VANDAL)]; If you think the edit was not a blatant vandalism, then you can use the Blue [rollback], which will open a text box where you can explain why you reverted. The green one [rollback (AGF)] is for reverting good faith edits. For example if a user changes the billed weight of The Undertaker to 299 pounds which he/she has seen in the TV but the source in the article says 309 pounds. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:59, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Ok. The4lines (talk) 16:49, 3 November 2019 (UTC)The4lines

@Fylindfotberserk: Any idea why the Counter-Vandalism Unit you need 200 edits to do?

Minimum requirement. You can take a crash course too. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:03, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

How? The4lines (talk) 19:03, 3 November 2019 (UTC)The4lines

Visit Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit/Academy, get trained by one of the trainers. How many edits you have done in mainspace till now. It is always better to have some experience before hand. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:35, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: What do mean? The4lines (talk) 17:23, 4 November 2019 (UTC)The4lines

I said increase your Main space edits which is only 17 at the moment. And also visit Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit/Academy, there are trainers who will teach you and take exam, but since cut off is 200 edits for roll backers, increase your main space edits to that number. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:33, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Sorry but I still don’t understand? The4lines (talk) 17:42, 4 November 2019 (UTC)The4lines

OK, for now concentrate on doing good edits in mainspace for 1-2 months. After that go to CVU. Talk to one of the trainers in their talk page and ask them. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:04, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Oh, ok thanks sorry for the confusion. The4lines (talk) 18:07, 4 November 2019 (UTC)The4lines

@Fylindfotberserk: Where do i see my main space edits?

You can check it here. Scroll down to "Namespace Totals", there you'll find the number of edits near "Main", which is 19 at the moment. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:06, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, like my new user page?

Your user page, your talk page, my or any other user's talk page are not part of the main. Main = real articles, where you have to make changes. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:54, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Just wanted to do A little bit. The4lines (talk) 14:57, 7 November 2019 (UTC)The4lines

@Fylindfotberserk: Haven't talked to you for a while, how are you? The4lines (talk) 22:51, 13 November 2019 (UTC)The4lines

I'm fine, thank you. How are you? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 06:56, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm good, thank you. Have a good day/night! The4lines (talk) 15:25, 14 November 2019 (UTC)The4lines

@Fylindfotberserk: Any more tips for getting edits? The4lines (talk) 02:10, 16 November 2019 (UTC)The4lines

Nice going. You have 72 main space edits. Continue your work. As for tips, check random pages and things related to your hobbies. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:04, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Thanks again for the tip and the complement! The4lines (talk) 15:17, 16 November 2019 (UTC)The4lines

100 plus main space edits! The4lines (talk) 02:44, 20 November 2019 (UTC)The4lines

@Fylindfotberserk: I got in to the CUVA! That did not take long. Have a good day The4lines (talk) 15:58, 23 November 2019 (UTC)The4lines

Nice going.. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:01, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Happy thanksgiving! If you are in the U.S. The4lines (talk) 15:41, 28 November 2019 (UTC)The4lines

Same to you. Not in US though. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:44, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Oh, thanks anyway! The4lines (talk) 17:04, 29 November 2019 (UTC)The4lines

@Fylindfotberserk: What is A Pending changes Reviewer out of curiosity? The4lines (talk) 03:31, 11 December 2019 (UTC)The4lines

Pending changes protection means to allow good faith changes in an article for review before accepting it. Have you seen article histories that have yellow colored entries stacked up? This is because those pages are pending change protected. A pending change reviewer checks those edits and decides whether to allow those changes or revert those. Go through WP:PEND for more info. Regards . - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 06:10, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks The4lines (talk) 16:41, 11 December 2019 (UTC)The4lines

@Fylindfotberserk: I got pending Changes reviewer flag! Could you help me learn the basic of how to use it since you are a PCR. Thanks The4lines (talk) 03:26, 15 December 2019 (UTC)The4lines

You'll learn on the job . Every article has its own set of issues. You have to understand it by visiting its talk page and history, checking edits and comments by veteran editors. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:24, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Hello! Not seen you in a while, how are you? The4lines (talk) 17:59, 19 February 2020 (UTC)The4lines

I'm fine man. Thanks you. I've been seeing your edits. You are making good progress. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:20, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Thanks! The4lines (talk) 18:24, 19 February 2020 (UTC)The4lines

@Fylindfotberserk: Hello again, I just got the rollback flag! Man I have come far since the beginning. Thanks The4lines (talk) 04:39, 20 February 2020 (UTC)The4lines

Congrats man. I asked for rollback after like 8 years. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:39, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Really? I remember asking you when I could get rollback when I had 20 something edits. See you later. The4lines (talk) 16:47, 20 February 2020 (UTC)The4lines

I know. I was just not interested in Wikipedia. Now I've become Wikipediholic. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:07, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Could you give me a advice in the SPI area? Thanks. The4lines (talk) 21:48, 3 March 2020 (UTC)The4lines

Like what? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:00, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: General stuff like the basics. The4lines (talk) 15:16, 4 March 2020 (UTC)The4lines

Check this guide on how to file an SPI and also visit WP:SOCK. WP:SPI lists the current open SPI cases. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:36, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Do you like my new sig? The4lines |||| (You Asked?) (You Want To Know?) 18:38, 27 April 2020 (UTC)The4lines

How about now? The4lines |||| ^(You Asked?) (You Want To Know?) 23:47, 27 April 2020 (UTC)The4lines

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Martian Manhunter

The edits that I reverted are from a persistent anonymous editor who keeps coming into comic character articles where abilities have already been summarized in the infobox, and expanding the list in excruciating detail. I occasionally revert him at the Doctor Manhattan article and this time I saw that he did the same at Martian Manhunter as well. He doesn't use a stable address and doesn't respond to messages. 73.71.251.64 (talk) 04:28, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

@73.71.251.64: Take it to someone with more time here on wikipedia, I can't help you in much. Thanks for the notice. The4lines (talk) 15:12, 20 November 2019 (UTC)The4lines

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Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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@Fylindfotberserk: Thanks! The4lines (talk) 20:08, 1 January 2020 (UTC)The4lines

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Twinkle

Hi, you may want to install Twinkle which makes tagging and notifying much easier. Regarding Fightmilk, you are correct that it doesn't make any claim of significance, but from the sources it appears they might pass WP:GNG. – Thjarkur (talk) 20:33, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

​ Thanks for informing me. The4lines (talk) 16:44, 10 January 2020 (UTC)The4lines

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@Xinbenlv: Thanks, I will join. The4lines (talk) 17:49, 10 January 2020 (UTC)The4lines

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2FA Tester userbox request

Would you still want the 2FA Tester userbox you requested? SportsFan007 (talk) 21:22, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

@SportsFan007: Sure, Thanks. The4lines (talk) 22:56, 16 February 2020 (UTC)The4lines

@The4lines: Here you go!

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@SportsFan007: Looks great! Thanks! The4lines (talk) 03:46, 17 February 2020 (UTC)The4lines

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If that was you on IRC...

...I got your message. I was just AFK. :-) ~Oshwah~^(talk) (contribs) 03:26, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

@Oshwah: Hahaha, yeah it was me. I was trying it out. I saw you on the list and and I said hi :). I have to go to sleep, See you around! The4lines (talk) 03:28, 28 February 2020 (UTC)The4lines

Cool deal! Join the #wikipedia-en channel next time you get on IRC - I'm on there all the time, and there's a good group of people that would love to have you around to chat Wikipedia stuff! :-) Hope to see you back on there tomorrow! Have a good night... ~Oshwah~^(talk) (contribs) 03:43, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Just IRC in your sleep :-P --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 04:24, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

@Oshwah: @Thegooduser: Right Haha. Well I have to go to school so I’ll go on the IRC later! Maybe I see thegooduser around to! The4lines (talk) 14:37, 28 February 2020 (UTC)The4lines

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• From the editor: The ball is in your court

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• Op-Ed: What I learned as Wikimedia UK Communications Coordinator

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Administrators' newsletter – March 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2020).

Administrator changes Money emoji Athaenara • DeltaQuad Fishhead64 • Kudpung • Mikaey Bureaucrat changes DeltaQuad

CheckUser changes DeltaQuad Oversight changes DeltaQuad

Guideline and policy news

• Following an RfC, the blocking policy was changed to state that sysops must not undo or alter CheckUser or Oversight blocks, rather than should not.
• A request for comment confirmed that sandboxes of established but inactive editors may not be blanked due solely to inactivity.

Technical news

• Following a discussion, Twinkle's default CSD behavior will soon change, most likely this week. After the change, Twinkle will default to "tagging mode" if there is no CSD tag present, and default to "deletion mode" if there is a CSD tag present. You will be able to always default to "deletion mode" (the current behavior) using your Twinkle preferences.

Miscellaneous

• Following the 2020 Steward Elections, the following editors have been appointed as stewards: BRPever, Krd, Martin Urbanec, MusikAnimal, Sakretsu, Sotiale, and Tks4Fish. There are a total of seven editors that have been appointed as stewards, the most since 2014.
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Hint: multiple ping

Hi, I can see you used the {{ping}} twice in a row in the section #If that was you on IRC... above. When you need to ping several users at the same time, you can use multiple parameter to the template, like this: {{ping|Oshwah|Thegooduser|CiaPan}} – see the Multiple recipients section in the template's description. --CiaPan (talk) 08:56, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

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The page Muthuracha that you tagged as a copyvio

Hi, I just saw that you tagged the mentioned page (Muthuracha) as a copyright violation. However, you did not provide a website which this page copied from, and the copyright violation report turned out negative. Would you please explain? Many thanks, tLoM (The Lord of Math) (Message) 02:36, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

The Lord of Math Hmmm... I must of looked on the wrong page when I check it. Sorry. Thanks. The4lines (talk) 03:40, 13 March 2020 (UTC)The4lines

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G5

Hi, please note that only articles created after an editor has been blocked which have been created by their sockpuppet are eligible for speedy deletion G5, as per WP:CSD, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 16:00, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Ok The4lines (talk) 17:17, 13 March 2020 (UTC)The4lines

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Nitro Type (March 25)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Sulfurboy was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Hello, The4lines! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Sulfurboy (talk) 23:14, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 29 March 2020

• From the editors: The bad and the good

• News and notes: 2018 Wikipedian of the year blocked

• WikiProject report: WikiProject COVID-19: A WikiProject Report

• Special report: Wikipedia on COVID-19: what we publish and why it matters

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• News from the WMF: Amid COVID-19, Wikimedia Foundation offers full pay for reduced hours, mobilizes all staff to work remote, and waives sick time

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Administrators' newsletter – April 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2020).

Administrator changes Cabayi • Lee Vilenski Boing! said Zebedee Jonny-mt • MarkGallagher • PeaceNT Money emoji → Moneytrees Bureaucrat changes SilkTork • WereSpielChequers

CheckUser changes NativeForeigner Oversight changes Someguy1221 Daniel Case

Guideline and policy news

• There is an ongoing request for comment to streamline the source deprecation and blacklisting process.

Technical news

• There is a plan for new requirements for user signatures. You can give feedback.

Arbitration

• Following the banning of an editor by the WMF last year, the Arbitration Committee resolved to hold a Arbcom RfC regarding on-wiki harassment. A draft RfC has been posted at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Anti-harassment RfC (Draft) and not open to comments from the community yet. Interested editors can comment on the RfC itself on its talk page.

Miscellaneous

• The WMF has begun a pilot report of the pages most visited through various social media platforms to help with anti-vandalism and anti-disinformation efforts. The report is updated daily and will be available through the end of May.

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A kitten for you!

Thanks for taking care of the Indic Scripts added by that disruptive IP.

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@Fylindfotberserk: No Problem! Just doing my job! The4lines (talk) 17:40, 9 April 2020 (UTC)The4lines

I just saw that I told you about that policy once. Thanks again - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:39, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Well I think you deserve some thanks, as you did teach me that! The4lines (talk) 17:41, 9 April 2020 (UTC)The4lines

Welcome man. You are doing an awesome job. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:43, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

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Welcome to the GOCE!

Welcome to WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors "Make it say what it means and mean what it says" – Wikipedia: How to copy edit

Hello The4lines and welcome to the Guild of Copy Editors (GOCE)! We are glad that you have decided to help us in our mission to improve the quality of writing on the English Wikipedia! Here are some links that you might find helpful to get started on your copy-editing journey!

• A how-to guide to Wikipeda copyediting
• Wikipedia's Manual of Style (MOS), a helpful guide to refer to while copy editing
  • A simplified version of the above
• A quick guide to writing on Wikipedia

You can help with copy-editing requests if you already have familiarity with the MOS and considerable English copy-editing skills, or start with articles tagged for copy editing to gain experience.

Thank you so much for joining the GOCE, we appreciate it!

For the GOCE, --Puddleglum^2.0_{(How's my driving?)} 23:08, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

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Spelling variants in English

Hi The4lines; thank you for your help with the current GOCE Blitz. Just a quick note; I see in this c/e, you've changed the spelling variety from British English (BrEng) (neighbourhood, learnt, etc) to American English (neighborhood, learned, etc). Please be careful with these changes; because of India's strong connection with the UK, the spelling style most commonly used there is BrEng, and Wikipedia articles about India should reflect that, per WP:ENGVAR. Thanks for your work on the Blitz, I hope you'll continue copy-editing. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 02:29, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Ok thanks of the heads up. The4lines (talk) 02:43, 16 April 2020 (UTC)The4lines

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April 2020 GOCE blitz bling

		The Modest Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to The4lines for copy edits totaling over 2,000 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE April 2020 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 20:09, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your work! Next month will mark our 10th anniversary of copy-editing drives, feel free to sign up here. – Reidgreg (talk) 20:09, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

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Misuse of rollback feature

Here you used the rollback feature to undo the edit of an editor that appears to be in good faith, I can see no evidence of vandalism or bad-faith editing in that edit that you rolled back. Can you please self-undo your rollback and leave a proper edit summary explaining why you object to the edit OR (alternately) can you leave a note on the article talk page explaining why you have undone the edit? Also, please review the rollback policy at Wikipedia:Rollback. Thanks. --Jayron32 19:55, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Jayron32: Sorry, I'm on huggle so sometimes I make mistakes. I give my biggest pardon. Thanks. The4lines (talk) 19:59, 23 April 2020 (UTC)The4lines

As long as you fix your mistakes, it's no big deal. Just keep the principle in mind that reverting good-faith edits require you to explain yourself. If you wish, you can leave a note at the user's talk page, on the article talk page (or probably best practice, leave the note on the article talk page, and a pointer at the user talk page letting them know to read it) where you explain why you thought the edit needed to be completely reverted. Thanks! --Jayron32 20:01, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Jayron32: No problem, I will do it later as a have to go do something else. Thanks! The4lines (talk) 20:03, 23 April 2020 (UTC)The4lines

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DYK nomination of Cable Haunt

Hello! Your submission of Cable Haunt at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! CaptainEek ^Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 21:22, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Please see new note on your DYK nomination. Yoninah (talk) 19:19, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 26 April 2020

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• In the media: Coronavirus, again and again

• Discussion report: Redesigning Wikipedia, bit by bit

• Featured content: Featured content returns

• Arbitration report: Two difficult cases

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• Gallery: Roy is doing fine and sending more photos

• Recent research: Trending topics across languages; auto-detecting bias

• Essay: Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing

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• Opinion: Trusting Everybody to Work Together

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Redirects

Please do not create redirects from mainspace to userspace as you did at The4lines, You Asked?, and You Want To Know?. If you want those to be in your signature, please use piped links, like so: [[User:The4lines|The4lines]], which displays as The4lines but links to User:The4lines. creffett (talk) 15:48, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

@Creffett: Ok got it. Thanks, The4lines |||| ^(You Asked?) (You Want To Know?) 16:31, 29 April 2020 (UTC)The4lines

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Carbon Emissions During Covid-19 (April 29)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by KylieTastic was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Carbon Emissions During Covid-19 and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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Sig

Just fyi, you don't need to type your username after signing your posts. You can just type ~~~~ and it will sign for you, like this: – bradv🍁 15:01, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Bradv: Thanks, for the tip. The4lines |||| ^(You Asked?) (What I have Done.) 15:03, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – May 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2020).

Administrator changes

Gnangarra • Kaisershatner • Malcolmxl5

CheckUser changes

Callanecc

Oversight changes

HJ Mitchell

Guideline and policy news

• Discretionary sanctions have been authorized for all pages and edits related to COVID-19, to be logged at WP:GS/COVID19.
• Following a recent discussion on Meta-Wiki, the edit filter maintainer global group has been created.
• A request for comment has been proposed to create a new main page editor usergroup.
• A request for comment has been proposed to make the bureaucrat activity requirements more strict.

Technical news

• The Editing team has been working on the talk pages project. You can review the proposed design and share your thoughts on the talk page.
• Enterprisey created a script that will show a link to the proper Special:Undelete page when viewing a since-deleted revision, see User:Enterprisey/link-deleted-revs.

Miscellaneous

• A request for comment closed with consensus to create a Village Pump-style page for communication with the Wikimedia Foundation.

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Teahouse

Dear The4lines, thank you for volunteering as a host at the Teahouse. Wikipedia is a community of people working together to make knowledge free. You are an important part of that effort! By joining as a Host, and by following our expectations, you are helping new users get a hold of the ropes here at Wikipedia, and helping experienced users who just have a question about how something works. We appreciate your willingness to help!

Here are some links you may find helpful as a Host:

• Helpful scripts you can install to make Teahouse responding easier,
• templates to use and, of course:
• the question forum itself.

Editors who have signed up as hosts, but who have not contributed at the Teahouse for six months or so may be removed from the list of hosts.

Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

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Drums, Girls, and Dangerous Pie

Why didn't you just revert the vandalism there? Your edit resulted in the removal of the plot section. Graham87 05:15, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: Draft:Anirban Das

Hello The4lines. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Draft:Anirban Das, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not unambiguously promotional. Thank you. GedUK  14:54, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ged UK: Ok thanks for the heads up. The4lines |||| ^(You Asked?) (What I have Done.) 14:57, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	The Defender of the Wiki is awarded to those who have gone above and beyond to prevent Wikipedia from being used for fraudulent purposes. Thank you for doing so! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:54, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

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Shelly Ann Fraser Pryce

Hello. Greatly apreciate your help in ensuring that all content is sourced and accurate on Wikipedia. However, not sure you went about the best way—the information I've been adding as an anon is sourced, so I'm not sure a blanket reversion is the best way to help. I'm continuing to add sources and encourage you to point out areas that you think need additional sourcing. Thanks! Orane (talk) 15:12, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok thanks for telling me. Signed,The4lines |||| ^(You Asked?) (What I have Done.) 15:53, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion contested: Draft:Explorerational

Hello The4lines. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Draft:Explorerational, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: It's not an article, and drafts are allowed to be basically empty (would be deleted in 6 months anyways). Thank you. Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 03:30, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

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Counter-Vandalism Academy Graduation

CVU Academy Graduate

On behalf of the Counter-Vandalism Unit Academy, congratulations! You have successfully completed all assignments and have now graduated from the Academy. You completed your final exam with a score of 88.5% – well done! It's been a pleasure to work with you over the past month.  I hope you gained something from this CVUA program and do always note that the motto of the Counter Vandalism Unit is Civility – Maturity – Responsibility. Do drop by my talk page you have any questions as I am here to help. Best of luck, and thank you so much for your willingness to help Wikipedia in this role. Best. Cassiopeia^(talk) 09:31, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

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My edit on Public toilet

Thanks for pointing this out to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.59.132.152 (talk) 10:30, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined

Please note that I've declined the CSD G1 deletion of Draft:Big Tyger. It's not patent nonsense, it's written in French. WP:CSD#G1 specifically notes that the criteria does not apply to "coherent non-English material, or poorly translated material".-- Jezebel's Ponyo^bons mots 00:24, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

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my changes

Hi,

You've just deleted some changes I made to a page about myself. I wanted it to be more accurate. Please can you undo your deletion of my changes? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.3.250.73 (talk) 16:21, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

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questions

Hey, 4lines. Why were you concerned that Creffett would have inadequate familiarity with UAA and RPP? They seem to be primarily a candidate who is strong on policy. —valereee (talk) 19:44, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee: Hello, I just wanted to see for my self. I’m not concerned But making sure. Thanks, Signed,The4lines |||| ^(You Asked?) (What I have Done.) 20:00, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

The4lines, I'd recommend for future that you tread very carefully at RfA. As you can see, very few !voters ask a question; that's because many of us expect each other to have a very good reason for asking one. Asking a question without a very good reason makes one look a bit foolish. I know you're well-intentioned, but I'd recommend watching for a while. —valereee (talk) 20:04, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee: Ah ok. Thanks for the info. Signed,The4lines |||| ^(You Asked?) (What I have Done.) 20:06, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

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Hello

Hello Pedroisthebest17! (talk) 03:05, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

@Pedroisthebest17: Hello, do you need help in anything? Signed,The4lines |||| ^(You Asked?) (What I have Done.) 03:06, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 27 June 2021

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Adding information that contradicts another article

Hello, I have never tried adding/changing anything on Wikipedia until now, and the first time I'm trying to add something I'm running into a few problems. Based on https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/38-1/s134#details there were 3 Democratic Senators that voted in favor of the 13th amendment to the constitution, yet on the 13th amendment and Senator James Nesmith's pages, they claim that only 2 Democratic Senators, James Nesmith and Reverdy Johnson, voted in favor of the 13th amendment's passage.

The missing Senator in question is Benjamin F Harding. His page, alongside Reverdy Johnson's, has no mention of their votes in favor of the amendment.

I was planning on correcting both claims in the two articles alongside adding the claim to the pages of the 2 other Senators. The claim on the 13th amendment is not sourced, but the page is locked. So I figured I'd change it on the 3 men's pages, and whenever I'm able to make 7 more edits and have had my account for long enough, I'd do so on the 13th amendment's page.

I ran into a bit of a dilemma on James Nesmith's page. The claim there is sourced twice in two different books. I have been able to read the first source online, and the claim is dubious at best. The page they cite has no mention of either James Nesmith's vote or Reverdy Johnson's vote. It mentions Reverdy Johnson's support of an amendment like the 13th and the previous pages spoke of other prominent Democrats that supported such an amendment, yet no mention of the actual voting. Reading past the page they cite will require I get access to the book. I plan on doing so if I can find it at my local library.

I have not been able to view the page of the second source, if my local library has it I'll try and read it. Though if it's as dubious as the first citation I doubt it has the facts to back up the article's claim.

Am I in my rights to add the note to the pages of Reverdy Johnson and Benjamin F. Harding if I leave the other two pages alone? I was planning on doing so but thought it'd be strange to have these claims hyperlinked to James Nesmith's and the 13th Amendment's pages with contradictory statements.

So, can I delete the claim on James Nesmith's page and add my correction? The two sources are only used once in the article, in the claim I'm disputing, so I'd feel bad for the person who originally put the effort in publishing the claim only for me to remove it and their two sources entirely.Jinandwin (talk) 23:46, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

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Kay Ivey

You left a message stating that my change was reverted because I didn't leave an adequate edit summary. My edit did, in fact include an explanatory edit summary, explaining that Ivey didn't make any statement on conspiracy theories, the source was just describing a business meeting between Ivey and Lindell, which wasn't notable. 2600:1702:1580:3880:6DD6:4D4B:5E4:7B92 (talk) 23:06, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

@2600:1702:1580:3880:6DD6:4D4B:5E4:7B92 You can't just remove a section of a article without a source. The part you removed was sourced so unless you can find a source that says otherwise it has to stay. Signed,The4lines |||| ^(Talk) (Contributions) 23:10, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

The source the section provided did not supports its claims, so I removed it. The source, in fact, doesn't even mention conspiracy theories. Content that is unsupported by the sources provided should be removed, no? 2600:1702:1580:3880:6DD6:4D4B:5E4:7B92 (talk) 23:11, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

@2600:1702:1580:3880:6DD6:4D4B:5E4:7B92 See my edit summary. Although that it would be right for me to rv your edit as the source does substantiate the claim, I find it much easier for me just to restore your edit as it's a very minor thing and not in a mood to try to fight it. Signed,The4lines |||| ^(Talk) (Contributions) 23:27, 22 November 2021 (UTC)