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User talk:Struway2/Archive 2
DatesHey, I'm now not marking them as minor changes, but the script does it automatically, so I have to change it and occasionally one slips through. I'm de-linking the dates, which is the main priority, the format change is an unintentional side-effect of the script. The MOS contradicts itself a little (most of them do!) as it also say to use the date style associated with the language of the article (for example if it was written in Americanized English, then use the American format). So seeing as the article is written in English and on the English wiki, I don't see a major problem with using English date formatting. But like I said, it's not my intention to change the format, just to de-link them as per the guidelines djdannyp 09:34, 5 September 2008 (UTC) VandalCheers. Indef blocked. Btw, did you go back to see if attended to your comments on the old Olympics athletics list? I haven't checked.... Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:10, 5 September 2008 (UTC) Thank you for spotting my error Bashereyre (talk) 19:24, 5 September 2008 (UTC) Simon WormullThe article on Simon Wormull is one of the best I've seen about a non-league player. Reckon you could get it to GA with a few tweaks. Nice work. --Jameboy (talk) 17:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
BarnstarVery kind of you and great work on Wormull. There seems to be a fair few footy GAs coming through at the mo, which is really good to see. I've got Ronnie Wallwork at GAN so I should hopefully be able to contribute one myself. --Jameboy (talk) 23:52, 8 September 2008 (UTC) Hey Struway, can you just confirm that I've addressed your latest comment? Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:50, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
FLC inputHi there Struway, with regards to the the FLC of Aston Villa F.C. statistics and records, could I trouble you to have a look at User:Woody/Sandboxes/Aston Villa#Records FLC issues. I have done a mock-up of the Honours with runners up included, I didn't realise we have come second in the 1st Division 10 times! Do you still think it should be included? If so, I will do it now. Regards. Woody (talk) 17:19, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
P.S.Any disrespect to rat-faced Judas Roeder by the mis-spelling of his name is purely intentional :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:38, 11 September 2008 (UTC) Paul MullinI got the stats for Paul Mullin on www.soccerfactsuk.co.uk BruceCheers! I'll see if I can slot them in..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC) Thomas FarnallI don't think I'll have much to add. However, one quick thing I've noticed, my book has him born in 1876, whereas you've currently got 1871. I have to say the book has been wrong on a few of the older players. How sure are you about his date of birth? Peanut4 (talk) 16:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC) Hi - I see you have recently created one or more new stub types. As it states at Wikipedia:Stub, at the top of most stub categories, and in many other places on Wikipedia, it is recommended that new stub types are proposed prior to creation at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, in order to check whether the new stub type is already covered by existing stub types, whether it is named according to stub naming guidelines, whether it is otherwise correctly formatted, whether it reaches the standard threshold for creation of a new stub type, and whether it crosses existing stub type hierarchies. Your new stub type is currently listed at WP:WSS/D - please feel free to make any comments there as to any rationale for this stub type. And please, in future, consider proposing new stub types first! Grutness...wha? 08:21, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Joe SmithFirstly thanks for creating an article that was on my to do list, I'll see what I can add to it. I'd support a page move. I agree that Joe Smith 1889 is possibly better known, but not to the extent of being the primary topic. Both players won England caps, and 400+ league apps for Albion (most of which were in the First Division) is not to be sniffed at. If you've no objections I'll first run the idea past Dudesleeper (the resident Blackpool expert), and take it from there. Are you happy that both articles are distinguished adequately from the Canadian footballer Joe Smith (football player)? I'm never quite sure how far to take the disambiguation between different types of football. --Jameboy (talk) 17:09, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
BrucieCheers for the link, not sure how I missed that one on Newsbank considering how many other links to that site I've used :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:26, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
ApostropheThanks - I had realised I was wrong, but you beat me to the revert. ++ MortimerCat (talk) 23:11, 26 September 2008 (UTC) 56 FA CupWhat do you think about pushing on to take it to FAC (with a peer review first of course)? Getting Trautmann to FA has given me a renewed vigour for the process. Oldelpaso (talk) 08:08, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
AVFC stats and "undisclosed"You can never have too many Villa articles on your watchlist! ;) I used those articles to show that it was undisclosed and mainly to highlight the disparity in the figures: the Telegraph is a prime example, it quotes two different figures in the same article, figures that would affect his ranking. It is much safer to say undisclosed than to have a false figure in the table. That being said, I have never seen the Newcastle ones before; I will try and find a Villa one to back it up. Regards. Woody (talk) 15:52, 5 October 2008 (UTC) BruceTa very much -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:28, 6 October 2008 (UTC) Bank StreetThanks for the heads-up on that one. Nice little fact to have in there! – PeeJay 13:18, 6 October 2008 (UTC) Sunderland A.F.C. season 2007-08Hi I've been working on Sunderland A.F.C. season 2007-08 and I have something to ask, do you think it would be appropriate to include the pre-season results. If so would I put them before the Premier League or after? Thank you. Sunderland06 (talk) 17:40, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Lawro spammerI've reverted once more. Feel free to continue to do so, or if you feel unable to do so, shout at me again! All the best. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC) Curtis WoodhouseLinking it to Sheffield United is probably the best option, I'd say. Wizardman 20:47, 8 October 2008 (UTC) GraphsHi Struway2, thanks for pointing out the mistake in the tier 4 numbers, I'll fix them when I get a moment. I also need to think about how I should show the third division when it was split into North and South in 1921 until 1958. Any suggestions would be appreciated. --Payo (talk) 09:46, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the note - unfortunately, neither of my FA Cup books can add anything significant to the article, although the Collett book does say that at the end of the 1955 final, Manchester City "captain Roy Paul vowed that his side would return the following year and win the trophy - and they did." Not much help really - sorry. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 18:02, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Player of the monthYour message Hi, when you update footballers' articles with them having won Premier League Player of the Month, please would you also add a source for them having done so. thanks
Geoff HorsfieldHere are the stats for his early career: Halifax Town 1998-1999 10 7 Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 15:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
HorsfieldHi there. I notice this interview suggests he was at Witton for five months. Hope this helps. Peanut4 (talk) 15:31, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Martin TaylorThe sentence (especially the "believed to be Croatian journalists" part; the identity of these people is not mentioned in the news article as a "belief") sounded to me as if some unknown men, probably football fans, disguised as Croatian journalists and tried to get to Taylor's car, probably with an intention of attacking. There is no need to leave things looking gray when everything is black and white in the cited news article. Admiral Norton (talk) 14:52, 23 October 2008 (UTC) Whoops Droggy DrogThanks for informing me so quickly. I blame the writer as some parts of his article are just paraphrases of the wiki article. Read my reply at the talk page. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 11:50, 24 October 2008 (UTC) WALTER PANDIANIHi there STRUWAY, VASCO here, Regarding this URUGUAYAN footballer article, i again thank you for completing the piece with internet REFERENCES and, regarding my comments, they were made out of misunderstanding of some WIKIPEDIA rules, nothing intentional, sorry 4 any incovenience. From PORTUGAL, have a nice week, good teamwork, VASCO AMARAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 17:08, 26 October 2008 (UTC) I can't help but feel that this reversion of yours was a little headstrong. ;) - Dudesleeper / Talk 17:19, 27 October 2008 (UTC) Tony Adansput on setanta sports news mate. Zacitty (talk) 10:50, 28 October 2008 (UTC) Re: Jared WilsonThanks for letting me know. I will link in the page to the season review, if no one else has already done it! Sgtippin (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 12:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC). Proposed deletion of Mikey GrayThe player played in the Polish First Division, which is a professional league, I will add more info I have on this player. But will also include the info of the league in the profile to prevent this from happening again. Thanks --Footballgy (talk) 15:29, 29 October 2008 (UTC) Billy MorganIt's not my article, but I don't see why not. Go right ahead. – PeeJay 13:38, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Garry O'Connor by 83.104.51.181 (talk) 18:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)Can you please stop using a tabloid newspaper especially a local rag like the 'Birmingham Mail' for vital information, please? Sources such as www.bcfc.com would be more apt to use. Say you ran a company that's just been taken over and the company had a website would you think that would be more accurate than say the local newspaper picking up on the same story. Go to the head honcho for news not the shiatsu. END. However they do keep player profiles for more than 12 months so it is satisfactory to use the direct source and not a biased source the Mail in most people's opinions usually is filed with Aston Villa rubbish. In fact they started a pentition to keep Gareth Barry at the club they did not do this for Pennant or Upson or Forsell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.51.181 (talk) 11:03, 2 November 2008 (UTC) The HorseI've made a few improvements to the Geoff Horsfield article and wondered if you may be able to add anything, particularly about his time at Blues? Thanks. --Jameboy (talk) 22:00, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
All comments now addressed, hopefully to your satisfaction :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Nearly...I'm halfway back. While I have a shiny new ISP, I'm in the middle of a block of long shifts at work, so it'll be a couple of days before I can give it my full attention. Oldelpaso (talk) 16:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
When do you think we should take it to FAC? Once the 1923 nom is over (and we've heeded all advice therein)? Oldelpaso (talk) 11:21, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Horsfield PRI've made the most minor of change. Otherwise it looks spot on. Peanut4 (talk) 16:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
'56Yes, still got the book out of the library, I will check the page number that gives the details for 1956 when I'm at home this evening and let you know. I did have a look through it for anything useful that could be added to your article in general but didn't really find anything that wasn't already covered. I'll pop over to the FAC myself later...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:07, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Now can you care to remove all those accessdates as that information is floor. Thanks Govvy (talk) 19:31, 11 November 2008 (UTC) O ye and if you are using accessdates, don't use the American format. Govvy (talk) 19:34, 11 November 2008 (UTC) I feel accessdate should be removed because it only indicates when the person that added that ref accessed it. It has no relivences to the actual citation or article nor are those accessdates you added correct as is the case because someone else added those refs. That is why it should be an obsolete option. Govvy (talk) 22:52, 11 November 2008 (UTC) That is what the normal date stamp is for... :/ Govvy (talk) 23:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC) Still looks ugly what you did! :( And you don't have to add accessdates! :/ Night night! Govvy (talk) 23:21, 11 November 2008 (UTC) 1956 FACYour thoughts mirror mine. We already mention Trautmann's neck in the lead, and that's the one thing people outside Manchester and Birmingham remember. Oldelpaso (talk) 21:26, 13 November 2008 (UTC) Horse againYes, go for it. I fully expect any further PR comments to be minor issues, and GAs can sometimes take a while to get reviewed so we may as well nominate it now and let the PR wind down. I'm surprised there was no edit conflict as I also linked "Championship" after you already had! --Jameboy (talk) 16:38, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Hearty congratulations.................on the FAC for the 56 Final. Definitely deserved! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:24, 18 November 2008 (UTC) It has certainly been a pleasure to work with you on the article. Its just a shame there aren't too many other potential crossover articles for our clubs. Oldelpaso (talk) 09:11, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Steve BruceIt is 'fairly' typical for 'Managerial statistics' sections to have a 'Nat' row and accompanying flagicons for each managed side. Was the rationale for removal that all managed sides are English and thus do not need to be distinguished ? Or something else. Aaron carass (talk) 20:51, 18 November 2008 (UTC) List of English cricket and football playersIn the interests of disambiguation, should this page be renamed List of English association football and cricket players? Jevansen (talk) 10:43, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Re:Graham AbelThose were repeated Wikilinks that already appear in the article previously. ṜedMarkViolinistDrop me a line 17:41, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
My Saints books say that he went from Dudley to Villa, and this is supported by www.allfootballers.com and the Aston Villa player database, so I guess the reference to Halesowen is a bit dubious. I added a not on the talk page about the discrepancy in Christian names. Cheers. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 19:17, 21 November 2008 (UTC) Could you do me a massive favour and peer review Sunderland A.F.C. if you have any time. As its been a week without any human comments. I hope this peer review can help get the article closer to FA class. Thank you. Sunderland06 (talk) 03:36, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Right, I've went through my book and expanded the earlier years of the club, there should be a better balance now. Would you mind looking back through the history at what I just added and see if there's anything that can be improved upon. Sunderland06 (talk) 21:22, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
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Gunnar HalleAh. Thanks for pointing that out. I simply reverted it since there was no source and nothing in the text to back the change up. Peanut4 (talk) 14:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
The HorseCheers and well done yourself, it has been a very successful collaboration I think. Sorry I wasn't able to pitch in with the GA review but I'm just catching up after being off-colour and off-wiki for a couple of days. It seems that there weren't many issues to fix in any case. I've got a few different things I'd like to work on next, but 1931 FA Cup Final may be of interest to you. I don't have much material to go on as yet but I plan to at least create articles for all the redlinks (your players have all been done I noticed!) and take it from there. --Jameboy (talk) 20:51, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I really liked the Gill GA; despite being a lower division player his career and story is an interesting one. I'm amazed you were able to dig up so many references! Keep up the good work. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 19:31, 5 December 2008 (UTC) Mind double-checking the spelling of his surname in your source? In mine it's Crosswaithe. Weird how he has only just appeared in Category:Blackpool F.C. players when you created his article a month ago... - Dudesleeper / Talk 15:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC) Imperial Triple Crown jewels Thank you for contributions to the project, Great work, especially on List of Birmingham City F.C. players - quite a useful list. May you wear the crowns well. Cirt (talk) 01:03, 11 December 2008 (UTC) Taunton TownHi Struway2, thanks for the comments! Fair enough about Taunton Town - I think I may have inadvertently linked some other defunct clubs to the reborn versions in other FA Cup articles, but I can't remember which ones. I'm sure some eagle-eyed thing will spot them eventually. I'll see if I've made any obvious mistakes. El Pollo Diablo (Talk) 14:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC) Autoblock?????((unblock-auto|1=194.72.9.25|2=Autoblocked because your IP address was recently used by "Ashley kennedy3". The reason given for Ashley kennedy3's block is: "Edit warring: 3RR at Banias".|3=Elonka|4=1248271))
Player AppearancesShow me the policy and I will adhere. As far as I am concerned when the player is named on the team sheet released to the press then, barring the 0.0001% chance that he will injure himself in the tunnel, he is playing. The game kicks off at 15:00 and that is when his playing time starts. And it is easily reverted anyway. Cheers. (Quentin X (talk) 15:22, 13 December 2008 (UTC))
Hungarian descentWhy am I not allowed to categorise him as a Hungarian when his middle name is Ferenc and his last name is Deverdics Spiderone (talk) 18:14, 18 December 2008 (UTC) Dean GerkenHi, thanks for your comment. I did not revert back to a previous version of the Gerken page, I did just edit the height from 6'0" to 6'4" with my last edit. He is my cousin, hence the reason why I want to make sure it's accurate. I cannot reference a website, the only reference I could provide would be a photo of him standing next to a tape measure, which is ridiculous :). If the height of 6'4" cannot remain without a reference, then I guess it can be deleted until CUFC sort their site out, but I ask that you do not put it back to 6'0" as this is not accurate. Thanks a lot. 68.1.159.197 (talk) 10:20, 20 December 2008 (UTC) George Allen (footballer)Hi there, 29 January was the only date on the article until the infobox was added with the other date. I found this reference Torquay United hall of fame which backed up the original date. Do you have anything for the 23 January date that would raise doubt over this? noq (talk) 10:02, 26 December 2008 (UTC) Thanks for correcting my typos. Doh! - Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 12:59, 29 December 2008 (UTC) u20Heya, I've been getting the stats from FIFA's website. I can't remember whose page I saw first, but it linked to the 1997 FIFA World Youth Championship, and on there it lists all the games with the match sources. Here's an example. [1] Doberman Pharaoh (talk) 21:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
L.V. LodgeIt's mentioned here, on the same website which I cited but a different page. I cited the wrong one .... will fix it now. Cheers Jevansen (talk) 11:24, 31 December 2008 (UTC) Under-soil heatingIt sounds like you have a good deal more reason to be miffed than "enraged" of Solihull, who would probably not have had to leave home! A certain other team just up the road does have under-soil heating - you could have gone to watch them instead :-) I thought that the lack of under-soil heating might be worth mentioning in the St Andrew's article though, as it would seem to be quite unusual for a team that has played several seasons in the Prem. Then again, how would we know exactly which grounds do have it? That info might be difficult to source. --Jameboy (talk) 17:46, 4 January 2009 (UTC) Hi - I see that you have reverted most of the changes that I made to the references. My aim was to introduce consistency with both the author name and dating style. I personally prefer to see an author referred to in the format "first name-surname", rather than surname first - it seems more logical and reads properly; after all, we don't refer to "Brown, Eddy" as the article heading. As the template allows either format, I altered the references to the format I prefer. As I always do when I'm unsure on these matters I try to refer to Featured Articles. The references on Steve Bruce are inconsistent; the first says "Bruce, Steve" and the second "Ian Parkes" and there seems to be an even mixture of both styles. Thierry Henry is fairly consistent, with most references using the surname first format, although there are a few in the "first name-surname" format. So the featured articles are no help! Likewise, I changed the dates in the references so that all were in the dd mmmm yyyy format. Again, the two featured articles are inconsistent in this regard, with the Steve Bruce article using either - the second reference uses both, with yyyy-mm-dd for the article date and dd mmmm yyyy for the retrieval date - whereas the Thierry Henry article is consistent with dd mmmm yyyy. As with most things on WP, there is more than one way of doing things and no two editors will agree on which is right, so I will defer to you on this point, although I would appreciate your thoughts on this matter. Best wishes. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 12:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC) The "Ryan Burge moves on" article doesn't actually mention a non-contract, but it does heavily imply it. It mentions he had a "contract review" pencilled in for the end of the December, if he was contracted, he wouldn't have had a review so shortly after signing, much more likely this is a review of whether to offer him a contract based on his performance while under non-contract. Also players who have their contract cancelled are usually given some form of compensation, which is not mentioned in the article, and BFC very rarely cancel contracts due to financial constraints. Cg29692 (talk) 16:50, 6 January 2009 (UTC) I've changed it so it says "short-term" instead of "non-contract", which removes any worries about verifiability etc. Thanks for pointing this out to me. Cg29692 (talk) 17:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC) Are you able to add anything to this article about his brief career at Small Heath? Cheers Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 16:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC) I've been keeping an eye on this per your ANI report, but it would be useful if you get the chance to look over the latest changes to the article. Having been given a final warning, User:Jimunder has expanded the article content and apparently attempted to source it, but a number of changes have been made to the pre-existing content as well. Knowing next to nothing about football (having grown up with Coventry City), I'd appreciate your opinion as to whether this constitutes further disruption of the sort that led to your report, or if it looks like a genuine good-faith attempt to improve the article. Regards, EyeSerenetalk 15:19, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
DYK for Jack Wheeler
Dravecky (talk) 11:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC) Thanks for your help - sorry about length of time to reply I haven't been on in a while, not patronising at all. I am hoping to get something created for all Blyth Spartans squad members, but now know how time consuming it can be to get this updated. Like you say I have only completed two articles and hope to improve as I go on. If you spot anything else I may do in the future please let me know. Stevie Pyledriver (Stevie Pyledriver) 18:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Re: Image opinionI have sent a request via e-mail. Please check your inbox. Jappalang (talk) 22:44, 5 February 2009 (UTC) 1931 and all thatGood work, the article is now well underway. I actually went to the library before Christmas and had a browse of the The Birmingham Post archives (on microfiche) from around the time of the final. I've taken copies of the following and will start adding info from these soon-ish. I thought you might be interested in case you want to look at the articles concerned: The Birmingham Post
Some of the later ones relate to Albion's final two league games (both won to win promotion), so may be of less interest to you. I'd be quite interested to read The Times match reports of the Albion games from earlier rounds like those you have referenced for Birmingham. - how do you get access to these? Cheers. --Jameboy (talk) 22:32, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, but I've drawn a complete blank on this one - my reference books list every player who has played in the Southampton first team or reserves, including all the minor competitions they entered during the Southern League era, and he's not mentioned any where, so I guess he never got near the first team. Cheers. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 18:20, 12 February 2009 (UTC) RequestHi, after my recent peer review of History of Sunderland A.F.C. which was archived with a lack of comments, I'd like to ask if you could give it a thorough run through in a peer review style. If you like, these comments could my places in your, or my sandbox. I hope to eventually get it to FAC, but a good peer review would go a long way to helping. Cheers. Sunderland06 (talk) 13:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC) Here is another reference (http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/mcleish-hopes-returning-carr-will-steer-brum-promotion-bid-1638328.html), please stop undoing all of my referenced contributions - thanks. My previous revision also had a reference from a Birmingham newspaper.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.94.192.200 (talk) 13:42, 20 February 2009
List of Oxford United Players Peer ReviewHi. The final point i haven't yet addressed, the point on players such as judge not being referenced after 1989, is causing a bit of a problem. Apart from looking at the players section on Rage Online, i can't find any sources which state the appearance details. Neil Brown's Site could be used for the league games, but obviously this wouldn't cover the other comps. What should i do? Eddie6705 (talk) 18:09, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Just to let you know, User:Daemonic Kangaroo has added refs from allfootballers.com. Eddie6705 (talk) 17:20, 2 March 2009 (UTC) Hi there As this FLC appears to have stagnated a bit, and the original nominator seems to have stopped addressing comments, I have decided to step in, and have rectified what I perceived to be all the outstanding queries. I was wondering if you would be prepared to drop by and re-appraise it....? Cheers! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Black peopleSurely if someone is black it is obvious. eg. Emile Heskey, there is no need to reference it as it's only common sense really and you only need to look at a picture of him. In the case of Simon Poulsen he is a black Danish footballer. His father is Danish and his mother is of some African descent therefore he qualifies for the category. Please justify why you removed the category. Spiderone (talk) 16:22, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the note - unfortunately, my reference books say nothing about his career after 1935 when he became coach at Salisbury. As you've no doubt already spotted, he is the only "Fraser" to have played first-team football at Northampton. My guess is that he probably was the father of Cammie Fraser, but that's not much help. Sorry. (All I can suggest is that a note is put on one or both of the articles' talk pages, saying that Bill Fraser was possibly Cammie's father.) Cheers. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 18:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC) Jack or John JonesThe Jack Jones I referred to is definitely always called Jack in the sources I have. I'm at work at the moment, but when I get home this evening I'll have a look in my books to confirm whether or not they are the same person. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 09:16, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I've checked in my books, and they are definitely the same person. In the book I'm using he is listed as John Thomas "Jack" Jones in the statistics section, and as Jack Jones in all other mentions of him. If you need a reference for him being known as Jack, you can use: {{cite book |last=Byrne |first=Stephen |coauthors=Jay, Mike |page=491
|title=Bristol Rovers Football Club - The Definitive History 1883-2003
|year=2003 |publisher=[[Tempus Publishing|Tempus]]
|location=[[Stroud, Gloucestershire|Stroud]] |isbn=0-7524-2717-2}}
— Gasheadsteve Talk to me 17:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC) Good work on the article! I think that the infobox should have all first team league appearances, even if teams played in more than one league concurrently. Unfortunately I only have appearance data for Bristol Rovers players in the Southern League, not in the Western or Birmingham & District leagues, which is where they played when he first joined the club. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 16:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC) Mauro ZàrateBelive me, the old date was wrong. Look here: http://www.radiosei.it/online/?p=854 , even if I guess you can't understand. The article says that the date "18 March" was an old mistake by the almanacs.--Andrea 93 (msg) 16:20, 13 March 2009 (UTC) RE: thehelpfulbot adding References section in middle of External linksHi there, I think that this was because the External link is in the template of *{{soccerbase|13711|Ben Chapman}} - which means that the bot fairly thinks that it is wiki code - so a reference instead of an External link. You can swap it back to the correct way now if you wish! :) Hope this helps and sorry for the inconvenience, The Helpful One 17:34, 16 March 2009 (UTC) RE: Endashes in football (soccer) seasons and scorelinesMost of the articles I edited (except for one) are supposedly watchlisted by some users, so I'm hoping that for future situations, the experienced editors will fix that problem. Thanks for telling me this, or else I may have done this to too many articles, but like I said, most of the ones I edited were watchlisted by some users. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 22:34, 16 March 2009 (UTC) Re:Reverts Hello, Struway2. You have new messages at download's talk page.You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. -download | sign! 21:14, 18 March 2009 (UTC) Are you an administrator? If not can you put me in touch with one who can try to resolve a dispute I'm having with another user regarding the correct name of Benjamin Howard Baker. I'll expand more if you wish. Cheers. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 15:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC) FLC commentsJust to let you know that I believe I have addressed all your comments at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of BBC Sports Personality of the Year awards/archive1. If you have any more please let me know. If you have the page watchlisted, then I apologise as I am not trying to badger you for a response – this was just meant to be a reminder incase you didn't know. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 15:09, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
If you have time, could you cap your comments here or add more if you are not still not satisfied. Thanks, Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 12:06, 26 March 2009 (UTC) Lists of playersFunnily enough, I've been thinking much the same thing myself and was toying with the idea of splitting the Gills one into <>25 apps, like you say, to break it down any smaller than that would be silly. I haven't yet checked to see what size the two resultant lists would be...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:23, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
RE: Gateshead F.C. player statsI have used http://www.freewebs.com/gfcstats/ for stats for several former players. For current players I just add appearances & goals after each game. As for Terry Hibbitt, that website has him down as playing from 1981/82 - 1986/87 and have some info showing that he definately played during the 1983/84 & 1986/87 seasons (Currently there is no way of working out just league appearances and goals, only that he made 130 appearances and scored 7 goals in league & cup). Jcarls1 (talk) 09:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC) I'm somewhat confused by the dates of birth & death - I guess the dates in the lead (& category) are wrong and the infobox is correct. I'll get back to you on Charlie Bosbury. Cheers. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 16:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
It seems that the England and Everton footballer was known as Tommy White. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 18:28, 31 March 2009 (UTC) DYK for Mick Rathbone
Gatoclass (talk) 16:01, 2 April 2009 (UTC) Walter BunchHi, I've made some additions to his page; it was indeed the same player listed as Wilbert, that's his middle name. However, my sources give no mention of him appearing at Bristol Rovers. Wolvesweb (talk) 13:54, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Taiwo AtienoI notice you had a question about him in another persons discussion wall. The answer is that by FIFA regulations a player cannot play in more than three different clubs in a year. Atieno just got transferred three different times so he cant change teams until next year. And no its not a common accurense in US soccer for such rapid transfers of one player to happen so fast. Automotivado (talk) 05:18, 4 April 2009 (UTC) How you going about it?I was just wondering if there was a logic behind the order in which your creating the player articles for Birmingham City? Water torture#Dripping water: "the desire for the human brain to make a pattern of the timing between the drops will also eventually cause insanity to set in" As I read your articles I try to form a pattern. So is there a pattern? lol--EchetusXe (talk) 22:43, 5 April 2009 (UTC) Tony BlakeI'll see what I can turn up. Presumably his place of birth should be Cofton Hackett, which is a settlement rather than a hill.....unless he was actually born on the side of the hill....stranger things have happened :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:11, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Taiwo Atieno IIJust noticed your question on my talkpage — somehow I'd missed it. My understanding of the WP convention is that if a player is rostered with a club for any significant period of time, that club is listed in his infobox even if the player makes no appearances for the club. If a player only passes through briefly and makes no appearances for the club, however, it isn't listed. As for the other question, I'd say it's fairly common in the US for a player to spend a very brief period on the roster of one club before being traded to another: for instance, in the 2006 expansion draft, expansion franchise Toronto FC snapped up a couple of guys simply for their "trade value" and then proceeded to deal them to other teams in exchange for players they actually wanted. I believe that in circumstances like this, we wouldn't list a Toronto FC tenure in a player's infobox. Overall, my understanding of the guidelines here is pretty shakey, to be honest. Mr. IP 《Defender of Open Editing》 22:51, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the football additions: very valuable and useful. I know very little about Higgins' footballing career, but do you think it was substantial enough to change the article's name to "John Higgins (cricketer and footballer)"? The obvious "John Higgins (sportsman)" is unsuitable because of the snooker player and at least one other footballer with the same name. If his football career was considerably less accomplished than his cricketing one, then we can leave the article where it is, I would think. Loganberry (Talk) 14:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC) Born in 1909 he is most probably deceased, I'll leave you to change the article to reflect this if you wish. Maybe your book has his death (assuming he has died) recorded, I'm sure you will have something to add anyway. Not sure on whether that is the Bestwood in question either.--EchetusXe (talk) 14:45, 16 April 2009 (UTC) Edmund Harvey (footballer)Hi. I've just looked in Jarred, Martin (1997). Citizens and Minstermen, A Who's Who of York City FC 1922-1997. Selby: Citizen Publications. p. 141. ISBN 0953100502.
One of yoursDon't know if there's anything you can add to my sub-micro-stub on Archie Roe? Seems he was pretty much a non-entity with both clubs............. -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:42, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Danny Cullip's imageChecking that he remembered to deodorise that morning....? ;-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:10, 28 April 2009 (UTC) Heads upThere were two footballers called Dennis Isherwood, who'd have thunk it?--EchetusXe (talk) 23:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC) WarkOoh, nice. Want to join TRM and myself in pushing it through to FA? --Dweller (talk) 10:08, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
WatkinsNothing to add beyond what you've already included, I'm afraid........ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC) Stoke-on-Trent didn't exist until 1910, so perhaps he was born in the town of Stoke-upon-Trent?--EchetusXe (talk) 21:24, 30 April 2009 (UTC) Steve SmithHi, I'll see if Peanut4 know anything. Cheers, GiantSnowman 09:40, 3 May 2009 (UTC) DYK for Archie Roe
Dravecky (talk) 21:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC) 1963 League Cup FinalI think you should of left that Road to the Final like that because the 1996 League Cup Final has that format. Mr Hall of England (talk) 09:54, 5 May 2009 (UTC) Caretaker managersHi, I thought there was a discussion a while ago on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football about not including them. Perhaps each case should be judged on their own merit - I just thought one caretaker match wasn't worth including as a Birmingham manager. Perhaps different if someone is appointed for a few months at the end of the season or something...feel free to revert though. Heightwatcher (talk) 13:19, 7 May 2009 (UTC) Could you do me a favour? This article was originally at Alf Bishop, but www.allfootballers.com lists him as "Albert". Can you look in Michael Joyce's book and check - if possible could you add the appropriate reference? Cheers. -Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 16:01, 8 May 2009 (UTC) Ok, no problems. Harry BruceI'm afraid none of my GFC books give any info on anything after his sale to Torquay in 1929 (other than the fact that he died in Durham on a completely unspecified date - how do they know where he died if they don't know when he died? Anyway, I digress......), so unfortunately I can be of no help with regards to his possible links with Scandinavia. Sorry about that...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:03, 9 May 2009 (UTC) Tony HibbertWhy did you change our Tony Hibbert edit? We actually are the fan club and actually have got mugs, a fridge magnet and a signed Soccer Stars card by the man himself. Please can you make me an Bureaucrat btw? I want to press the red button that turns off Cluebot. He truly is the greatest soccer goal player never to score a soccer goal. Also Doner Kebab Pot Noodles are very sub par. I also must let you know that I am the great Billy Bathface, and you will face my wrath. ps- Keyboard Kat FTW!!!!11!1!11!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.137.187 (talk) 22:53, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
www.allfootballers.com says he died in 1988. Cheers. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 09:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC) May 2009
You don't know when his contract finishes. DYK for Bud Houghton
Royalbroil 05:07, 17 May 2009 (UTC) It is done, friend. :) Cliftonian • talk 11:31, 19 May 2009 (UTC) Mr OkenlaHi Struway - before I made the article I considered which name to have the article under; Foley has 1160 on Google, while Folorunso only has 141. As for his clubs before Birmingham, if you have books which mention Exeter, then use them! Cheers, GiantSnowman 12:17, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Football League clubsThe category was untidy, and its bounds were unclear — it did not contain several clubs who obviously have played in the FL (for example Chelsea), lots who are presently in it were missing, and its purpose of containing every FL club ever was obviously not being fulfilled. Therefore I tidied it up a bit and reassigned it to contain the present FL clubs. I would favour a category for current clubs and for former clubs personally — a category including every single one, including present Premier League clubs, would, in my eyes at least, be a bit too general and put a great deal out of context. Looking back, I admit that I messed up a bit by marking it as minor and not discussing it first, and for that I apologise — but I hope you can understand my reasoning. Thanks, Cliftonian • talk 08:58, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
DYK: Mick Bodley
--PFHLai (talk) 05:59, 27 May 2009 (UTC) Bert PowellThe club's official centenary history book gives his POB as Maidstone, but lists no DOB. The other books I have don't give any birth info at all for players from that era. So not much help really, I'm afraid........ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC) James McCraeThat's what I thought, but this site does describe him in terms of being a war guest...either way, I'll remove the 'war guest' sections from his aricle. Cheers, GiantSnowman 16:44, 30 May 2009 (UTC) Geoff ScottHugman also states 31 October 1956, on page 549. It also states he signed for them in April 1977, ruling out his other claim of playing in 1976. Either he has a poor memory or he's absolutely shameless. Unfortunately, it looks to be the latter. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC) The club name was definitely singular, so in the Infobox they should always be referred to as "Corinthian". In the text, I guess it depends on the context - IMHO, if you're listing the clubs Smithies played for, it should still be singular, but otherwise, I'm more relaxed. Referring to them as "the Corinthians" is OK, rather like referring to "the Saints" for my favourite team, but I'm not happy with just "Corinthians". Does that make any sense - it's been a long day. Cheers. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 16:20, 1 June 2009 (UTC) p.s. I'll see if I can add any detail to the Smithies article about his career with "the Corinthians" tonight or tomorrow. Places of birthThanks for the link, makes it a bit clearer as to why now. --Jimbo[online] 13:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC) BCFC Season PageHi Struway. I have started the BCFC season page for next season, and was wondering what I should include. As you seem to be 'Mr Birmingham City' around here, I guess you are the best person to ask. I thought I would just do the stats for the season, and not the 'season review' bit that is on the other pages. I think it would make it a bit easier to maintain. Do you agree, or does the article need it? Also, is it a good idea to put the flags of nationality next to players/clubs in the transfer boxs? I see on some they are there, and on others they are not. Thanks BCFC75 (talk)
Re: Conyers KirbyNein — sadly, I fail on this occasion. He isn't even listed in my book. - Dudesleeper / Talk 10:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC) Apologies. I've cited Bailey. Cheers Cliftonian • talk 10:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC) You sort it out. Hopefully you'll bring a fresh perspective to it, and by perspective I mean source.--EchetusXe (talk) 22:04, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Cofton Hackett
--Kudpung (talk) 04:39, 11 June 2009 (UTC) WormullThe Eastbourne Herald and The Argus both stated he'd scored 6 goals in 37 games, these are including Sussex Senior Cup games. I have not put them back in though, rumours suggest he's going to be playing with Farnborough Town, with Jean Michel Sigere (again) EddersGTI (talk) 12:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC).
FactI guess if you link the profile page and the news item about Wormull signing and make sure the dates are relevant then it'll be satisfactory. Although when a more established/in line source comes available - change it to that. --Jimbo[online] 09:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC) Lifetime tagThanks for putting me right on the fact that "Lifetime" shouldn't be used to replace Default sort etc. if they are already used. I thought it was a newer feature to replace Default sort, years born, died, etc. so I have been using it on dozens of articles. Needless to say, I'm suitably embarrassed now and will stop using it although I do think it is better and tidier e.g. one tag replacing up to three others. Grievous Angel (talk) 06:20, 14 June 2009 (UTC) Ian BennettGood point - I'd reffed the wrong article! Doh!! I gather he's signed the contract he's been offered but unfortunately it's probably not deemed newsworthy enough to get reported anywhere. I've amended accordingly. Bladeboy1889 (talk) 11:53, 20 June 2009 (UTC) Richie MoranWho is being referred to in the dreadlocks conversation? MacKay or Macari? I'm guessing its MacKay but I was just curious.--EchetusXe (talk) 13:32, 20 June 2009 (UTC) Sorted the stats, just a heads up. :) Cliftonian (Talk • Contibs) 13:07, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Barnstar
Fred AllenSorry for blowing off at you a bit there mate, it's just that when you can't hear the words and only see them sometimes you get the phrasing wrong. I'm sure you can understand it upset me after I'd put a lot of effort into finding something about an obscure late 19th century footballer to have it dismissed… oh well, no harm done. Thanks :) Cliftonian (Talk • Contibs) 10:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC)  Cliftonian (Talk • Contibs) has bought you a pint! Sharing a pint is a great way to bond with other editors after a day of hard work. Spread the WikiLove by buying someone else a pint, whether it be someone with whom you have collaborated or had disagreements. Cheers!
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