User talk:Singularity/Archive 1

Trachtenberg system

Are you sure about those edits. I think the double zeors are necessary based on the descritption earlier on in the page.

"When performing any of these multiplication algorithms, the multiplier should have as many zeroes prepended to it as there are digits in the multiplicand. This will provide room for any carrying operations. For instance, when multiplying 366 × 7, add one zero to the front of 366 (write it "0366"); when multiplying 985 × 12, prepend two zeroes to 985 ("00985")."

Canard 22:38, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. You can correct (if it hasn't been corrected yet) the mistake if you wish. I see the reason why you need zeros.. Sr13 04:10, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

About Senuti

Please, do not remove the deletion debate box from articles. It is considered a form of vandalism. You are welcome to argue your cause at the debate page for that article instead! Nehwyn 10:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. Won't do it again. Sr13 10:51, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Help!

How do you make it so that when people type in Running Out Of Time, they get the disambiguation page Running Out of Time (disambiguation) instead of the articles (Running Out of Time or Running Out Of Time)? Sr13 00:58, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You would have to move the existing article Running Out Of Time to a different location, and make that article into a redirect to the disambiguation page. —Keakealani 00:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Where to? Sr13 00:58, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wherever is most appropriate...I'm not familiar with the subject so I can't make a suggestion. —Keakealani 01:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Senuti article

Hi. You asked my opinion about the Senuti article. Looking at the article and the deletion debate, it appears that it's an article about a piece of software that the nominator took to be non-notable and thus not suitable for inclusion, under a guideline such as WP:SOFTWARE. It appears though, that during the deletion debate, some people have pointed out that Senuti is, in fact, a noteworthy piece of software with enough documentation by independent sources to support a Wikipedia article. Based on the opinions that have been expressed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Senuti, it appears the debate will be closed as a keep, but that probably won't happen for another day or two, since those debates run for 5 days, unless there's some pressing need to bypass the usual process.

The article itself seems to describe its subject neutrally, based on my first impression. It could use references to some kind of independent sources reviewing Senuti - those links to MacWorld provided by one of the commenters in the deletion discussion are good, for example. ([1] [2]) We like to have the information in our articles come from multiple, independent sources, whenever possible. I hope that helps, and thanks for your contributions! -GTBacchus^(talk) 06:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Username

There definitely is a user named Singularity. See for yourself at Special:Listusers. Warofdreams talk 02:16, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, there is a user named Singularity. Don't let the lack of a userpage fool you - many users do not have a user page. Check the link. Warofdreams talk 03:02, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Singularity94 is available. You can check any name for youself using Special:Listusers. Warofdreams talk 03:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pan (Norwegian film)

I bumped into this article and I saw that there was supposed to be an infobox but was not visible in the article.

Fixed it. Thanks for pointing it out! -- Merope ^Talk 05:38, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Afd

These are ripe for the picking, see this list. Help with nominations or other remedial action is always appreciated. Anything that has been tagged for importance since July (or longer) should probably be cleaned up. --Peta 05:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Niles McKinley High School

The article at Niles McKinley High School has been expanded a bit, and the won/lost data has been removed. You might want to reconsider your vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Niles McKinley High School. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 12:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: From Sr13

Do you, by any chance, attend Kamehameha School?

Why do you ask? Kalani ^[talk] 02:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, well, you're correct. I do attend KS. =) Kalani ^[talk] 03:19, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit to Cobbers

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Didn't know only admins had power to eliminate articles after AFD's. Sorry. Sr13 01:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Port Dover Sailors

Hi, some anon user added the roster to the stub. I plan to expand this stub within the next few weeks or months... I would appreciate it if you would drop the AFD, Junior hockey teams are considered notable and it will be expanded with history and season-by-season standings. DMighton 04:54, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for understanding. Sometimes fans of the teams will come on here as anons and add a couple player or fan names or write "The SABRECATS FRIGGIN' RULE!"... it is sometimes hard to keep up... anyways... thank you. DMighton 05:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit to Wikipedia:Computer help desk/cleanup/stubsensor/20060810/4

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I was trying to delete the section when I had realized that I deleted the whole log. Thank you for the revert. Sr13 02:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC) [reply]

Contraposition vs. conversion

I removed the tag again with good reason (Talk:Conversion (logic). Next time I will revert. I suggest you get out your logic books and look at history, and then go here ( conversion (mathmatics) and contraposition (mathematics, and do your thing.Amerindianarts 02:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I also might add that the contraposition article refers to transposition (logic) which in turn refers to the distinctions between mathematicial and philosophic logic, and to the article transposition (mathematics). The later really suffices to explain contraposition in modern symbolism. Amerindianarts 02:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple Usernames

My friend has forgotten his password for his former username, Elfin340 and has moved to Elfin341. How do you eliminate the abandoned username?

In order to maintain compliance with the GFDL, we prefer to avoid deleting accounts whenever possible; filing a request at changing username would require that he switch to (a) a non-existing name and (b) that he remember his password to log in and make the request. There's no harm in operating two accounts -- some people do this for good and valid reasons, and so long as he doesn't eventually find the password and use the two accounts in violation of WP:SOCK, he should be fine. Since he doesn't appear to have many contribs on the 340 name, he may as well stick with 341 for the time being. That's my thought, anyway. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. Luna Santin 02:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Disambig orphaned

I was trying to straighten out the diambigs and the articles between A Streetcar Named Desire (disambiguation) and A Streetcar Named Desire. Can someone help correct my problem? I am in dire need for help!!!!! Sr13 02:55, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The second one redirects to A Streetcar Named Desire (play), which is listen on the disambiguation page. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk) 03:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly are you asking for? The {helpme} tag isn't for asking other wikipedians to help with tasks. It's for asking about wikipedia, like "how do I do this?" -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk) 03:50, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed the redirect and added a redirect link on top of all articles, hope that helps. Michaelas10 (T|C) 15:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stanley-Wilf conjecture

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Stanley-Wilf conjecture

This article was deleted as it consisted of nothing other than an external link. (aeropagitica) 22:49, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to recreate the article, please generate some content for the page in a user sub-page first, before publishing. Empty articles offer no benefit to researchers. (aeropagitica) 22:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Sorry

I have recreated the article with minimun information. Please try to expand it a bit more to qualify as a valid stub. -- ReyBrujo 22:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, apparently (aeropagitica) thinks such small article can be considered empty. If you are going to recreate it, I suggest adding more information to it. Sorry about all this. -- ReyBrujo 22:52, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

mesmer

the mesmer requires eye contact (doesn't have to be direct), equipped with a mesmeric voice. It it used twice on Artemis fowl and failed twice because he was wearing mirrored sunglasses, contex lenses, etc. Elfin341 05:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh

I agree. But today, I'm on wiki for the history notes... Elfin341 05:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Research for homework

it's true... I'm just doing some research Elfin341 05:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is there an Artemis fowl wikiproject?

and I don't think that goblins should be filed under mathematics. I'll fix that. My grammar is all haywire... Elfin341 05:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

what I mean

oops, sorry (yes, I know that the other few ones were from a long time ago...) I mean you had a broken link on your uncreated pages section that has goblins under mathematics, like ==Mathematics== [[Goblins (Artemis Fowl)]]

Is there an Arty Wikiproject? it would be really cool if there was one.

Finally, Click here for doom and dead words. Elfin341 05:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC) [reply]

Thanks

Hits own head for not finding that

owwwwww... Did you click for doom and DW's?Elfin341 05:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

thought you would say that.

now I can gleefully take another userbox to add to my userboxes. Elfin341 06:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A small project that I've made up

• A Welcompedia Number is defined as the number of names in a chain of welcomes- similar to the Erdos number.
• A welcome is defined as the first user that says the word welcome to you.

For example, my number would be 5, as

• Michaelas10 (who greeted me)
• CTSWyneken (who greeted Michaelas10)
• Angela (who greeted CTSWyneken)
• KF (who greeted Angela)
• Maveric149 (who greeted KF)

There are no more in the list when no one says 'welcome' to the user.

A winner will be decided every month. First award at the end of December 2006.

A Barnstar awarded for the longest chain!!! Put your username and number on the bottom between the horizontal lines.

---

• Sr13 (5)
• Elfin341 (6)

---

Sr13 08:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: An answer to your question

You got it right!! Nineteenninetyfour 14:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers

Hi, and thanks for the welcome. I said thanks on my own talk page, then I actually read all that stuff in the links you left, and found it's better to say thanks on your talk page. So I thought I'd do just that and show I'm paying attention! Spiral Wave 21:21, 23 November 2006 (UTC) [reply]

Happy Thanksgiving!!

Sorry it's so late, but the idea to send Thanksgiving "cards" to users I "knew" only came to me after I left the computer, and I couldn't get back on until now. Nineteenninetyfour 02:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC) [reply]

You win!!

Great job at answering my Random Question!! Here's your reward!!

You Anwered my Random Question of the Week (Or Whenever I Get Around to Editing It) Correctly!!

(Sorry it's so late) Nineteenninetyfour 22:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC) [reply]

Welcome

Thank you so much for your message. Regards--Davinci78 04:56, 10 December 2006 (UTC) [reply]

Hi there.

You dropped a note on my friend Jon's page, so I thought I'd say hello. I'm new in the neighborhood as well. Thanks for your helpful posting.

by Wild Mountain Thyme 06:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please subst welcome messages

When using certain template tags on talk pages, don't forget to substitute with text by adding subst: to the template tag. For example, use {{subst:test}} instead of {{test}}. This reduces server load and prevents accidental blanking of the template. Please do so in welcome message, for example, use {{subst:welcome}} instead of {{welcome}}, thanks. --WinHunter ^(talk) 08:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC) [reply]

Category links

I once edited your user page [3] to avoid categorization of it. I since learned how to link a category properly without joining it. Insert : first as in [[:Category:Prime numbers]] which becomes Category:Prime numbers without adding this talk page to the category. PrimeHunter 21:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

One Punk Under God

Hello,

Thank you for your stub submission. You may wish to note that it is preferable to use a stub template from Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types instead of using simply {{stub}}, if you can.

Thanks! --Vox Causa 03:58, 13 December 2006 (UTC) [reply]

Hello there!

Hello! I was wondering if you would be interested in joining a wikiproject known as WikiProject Abandoned Articles. This WikiProject is concerned with getting abandoned articles (eg:articles not visited in more than a long time which has not yet been decided upon) to be visited more often. Thanks!! Ninety^wazup? 16:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You said something on the talk page about an annual data dump. Did you mean monthly? John Broughton | Talk 16:49, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome, but I was sort of hinting that you might want to correct it yourself. John Broughton | Talk

What's a data dump? Ninety^wazup? 20:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Other ways of saying the same thing: "data extract", "data export", "data table build", "data snapshot". The idea is to (periodically, in this case) create a set of static data (in this case, the 1000 articles with the least recent edit). If that table were updated in real time, a lot more computer resources would be needed compared to the table being built only once per month. John Broughton | Talk 20:45, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I did state my issue.

I stated my issue in the talk page here. I wrote that the Standing article is the exat same as the Standing (law) article. There is no point in having two identical articles. I decided that I would just put up a deletion template then, and see what people had to say. Please read the discussion page next time you delete something like that. I have also noticed there is a "merging template" on the Standing article. You can't really merge two identical articles. In essence, you would just be deleting 1 of them, bringing me back to my point. Read what I wrote on the talk page here if you don't understand why I think this article should be deleted/"recreated". I am going to put the deletion template up again, and if anyone has a reason to object, please let me know on my talk page. --Arnesh 09:57, 20 December 2006 (UTC) [reply]

Siggy test

Sr13 04:16, 22 December 2006 (UTC) Sr13 (T | C) 04:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC) Sr13 (T|C) 04:35, 22 December 2006 (UTC) [reply]

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Thejas_Online

Hello,

There is an update to Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Thejas_Online - originally, you suggested to redirecg the article to Thejas but that article is now a candidate for speedy deletion. As a result, your requested action may no longer be valid - please update the discussion with your new decision concerning the article. --Sigma 7 22:09, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Message from Yrgh

I WAS PERSONALLY ATTACKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Isn't PERSONALLY ATTACKING someone AGAINST Wiki policy!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?! This user ATTACKED me TWO times!!!!!!!!!! Here's the attack that the below user posted! He should be reprimaned IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!!! I highlighted his ABUSE:

ATTACK 1: OMG, this guy is an idiot. Unfortunately I think I "started" it in a way; I tagged some disambig page thing he did for speedy deletion, and then all of a sudden a few Dune articles were tagged as "unreferenced" -- and they were literally articles pulled from my recent contribs, things I'd made tiny edits on. He said it was because the articles needed references, but one he tagged was the Dune: House Corrino article, which as you probably know is one paragraph of synopsis, and the article itself is the source! I reverted the first few things he did immediately but I knew eventually the rest of the Dune posse would get in on the act. Anyway, I think he'll lose interest; it's too much to hope that he'll realize he's wrong! User:TAnthony 15:26, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

ATTACK 2: This and MANY other articles have been tagged by User:Yrgh latly with nebulous reasoning. He says these pages fit into the deltion policy but he doesn't say how; he cites articles as unreliable and unsourced and yet they clearly are. It is ludicrous that discussions need to be held on dozens of pages to indulge his insane tagging. Can any idiot just tag AfDs? TAnthony 01:44, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Since becoming a Wiki editor, I'm been PERSONALLY ATTACKED THREE TIMES & NOTHING WAS DONE ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The other time was when User: Juppiter called me an "asshole"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Consequences!? Yrgh 02:25, 23 December 2006 (UTC)yrgh[reply]

Well, TAnthony recently BLANKED a page. It's in his user contribution page. Is blanking pages against Wiki policy!?

Crtique? What TAnthony did was a PERSONAL ATTACK!

I don't know if u read this the 1st time:

ATTACK 1 by TAntony: OMG, this guy is an idiot. Unfortunately I think I "started" it in a way; I tagged some disambig page thing he did for speedy deletion, and then all of a sudden a few Dune articles were tagged as "unreferenced" -- and they were literally articles pulled from my recent contribs, things I'd made tiny edits on. He said it was because the articles needed references, but one he tagged was the Dune: House Corrino article, which as you probably know is one paragraph of synopsis, and the article itself is the source! I reverted the first few things he did immediately but I knew eventually the rest of the Dune posse would get in on the act. Anyway, I think he'll lose interest; it's too much to hope that he'll realize he's wrong! TAnthony 15:26, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

ATTACK 2: This and MANY other articles have been tagged by User:Yrgh latly with nebulous reasoning. He says these pages fit into the deltion policy but he doesn't say how; he cites articles as unreliable and unsourced and yet they clearly are. It is ludicrous that discussions need to be held on dozens of pages to indulge his insane tagging. Can any idiot just tag AfDs? TAnthony 01:44, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

User: Juppiter called me an "asshole"!!

I don't think I;m over-reacting. I just don't like it when I'm personally attacked. Yrgh 02:59, 23 December 2006 (UTC)yrgh [reply]

Message to Hawaiian speakers

ANNOUNCEMENT: I am currently recruiting Hawaiian speakers to improve the Hawaiian Wikipedia. If you can speak and write Hawaiian fluently, please inform me on my talk page. Sr13 (T|C) 09:46, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NEVER!!!!!!!

• FOR THE RECORD: Juppiter and TAnthony are NOT, nor will they ever be MY peers!!!!!!!
• Their actions have PROVEN to ME that their FAKE apologies ARE indeed FAKE apologies. Look at the notes they left to ME! READ THEM CAREFULLY!!!!!
• Good faith!? THEY have proven that they the PERSONAL ATTACK rules on Wiki don't apply to them
• Is that the image Wiki wants to portray: Edit on wiki, then be PERSONALLY ATTACKED, RIDICULED & INSULTED.....REPEATDELY!?!!?!?!?
• And NOTHING was done about it! They have NOT been reprimanded!
• Do u like to be PERSONALLY ATTACKED repeatdely!?!?! Yrgh 10:04, 24 December 2006 (UTC)yrgh[reply]

Sorry

Hey by the way, sorry I got you mixed up in this thing with Yrgh, I am a BAD BOY. And thanks for your intervention ... TAnthony 14:11, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Holidays!

I would like to wish you a happy holidays! Thanks for all the help with WikiProject Abandoned Articles! Ninety^wazup? 21:49, 27 December 2006 (UTC) [reply]

CSD:ing La Constance fine by me.

No problem whatsoever with the CSD of La Constance. I doubt there is anything by that name that deserves itself an independent article, and even as it previously was, a redirect to Walhalla-orden, it was pretty much irrelevant. Nobody is going to search for the original swedish quasi-masonic society, which was a mere blip in history. -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. 00:24, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

John Collier (sculptor)

This page has been tagged for speedy deletion as a copyright violation of this. It's liable to be deleted quite soon if you don't re-write it in your own words. Regards Tonywalton  | Talk 14:09, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

simple algebra

If you divide meters by meters per second per second, i.e. m/(m/s^2), the "m"s cancel and you get s^2, not m^2/s^2. Michael Hardy 01:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC) [reply]

A suggested WikiProject

Wikipedia (English version) adds about 4000 articles per day and deletes about 2000. Ten editors doing verification of 10 articles a day each (compared to your proposal of 10 articles per week, total) wouldn't even make a tiny dent in the problem of quality, I think.

If Wikipedia quality is to be improved - and I believe, at this point, that it is the most important issue with Wikipedia - then something more systematic needs to be done. The German Wikipedia test of "stable version" is the most promising thing on the immediate horizon (that I know of), but I believe that there are other possibilities - better bots, more use of wizards, semi-automation, etc. Even such things as finding ways to make vandal-fighting tools more effective - or any other way to save editors time - could make a huge difference.

I also think that hard numbers can make a difference in people's opinions. You might want to take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Vandalism studies. John Broughton | Talk 13:41, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My concern with the proposal was in particular the verify articles in detail to make Wikipedia the best it can be. I thought that was (a) too general; (b) too much work, per article; and (c) didn't represent a community of interest. So WP:WWF is better because it's a much less lofty goal, per article, and WP:MATHCOTW is better because it's a community of interest.

In other words, yes, a math verification project would, for example, be much better. John Broughton | Talk 02:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]