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User talk:Sa.vakilian/Archive2
HiHi bro. Wikipedia:WikiProject Shi'a Islam is basicly the same as the Iranian notice board. Or does it lack someting? I appreciate your addition to the main page and added some myself. --Striver 11:13, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, im working on that right now.--Striver 12:04, 17 September 2006 (UTC) about Ali (p.b.u.h)I can help you with this website http://aqaed.com . It contains references concerning Ibn Taymiyya and his hatred towards Ali (p.b.u.h). I can help you with english articles. I don't contribute much to the arabic version. I'm not used to the Arabic keyboard. Jaber90 16:11, 17 September 2006 (UTC) re:yes, i will be proposing something either today or tomorrow ان شاء الله. sorry for the delay.. my wiki time has been temporarily reduced as i am experiencing some hardware difficulties
Salaam, I just edited this article, you may find it useful. Cheers! TruthSpreaderTalk 05:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC) SalamIts because i have 4200 articles on my watchlist :P --Striver 17:49, 19 September 2006 (UTC) Hezbollah IntroWill do. Thanks. I hear Ramadan is coming. Do you say, "have an easy fast"? Elizmr 22:44, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
re- Salam ! or wa - Salam :)Hi brother, Salam and good day, I was very much excited to get your message, and really wanted to thank you for your kind advice and being so kind to me. Kind regards/--www.mahdi.ms 18:47, 22 September 2006 (UTC) Regarding the two imagesHi. Regarding the two images you asked me to help delete (Image:Insane shiite.jpg and Image:Shiite.jpg), you can follow the instructions in the orange box at the top of the page WP:PUI (these two images are "no source" ones). If any difficulties arose in the process, please ask me for help. roozbeh 09:26, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Salamsorry for responding so late, but i havent been on wikipedia for a long time. the articles you linked are very well written mashallah. i look forward to further cooperation inshallah. khoda hamrahe shoma.
Pre-Umar contacts with PersiaI suppose you're talking about the year of the embassies, 6 AH? Don't take material from a religious website, take it directly from academic histories or their sources, Tabari, Ibn Ishaq, etc. If you need quotes in English, ask me. I have Ibn Ishaq and the relevant volume of Tabari in English translation. Zora 04:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC) SorryBro, sorry for not answering. I am on a kind of low-level editing, and right now, im on a break. Again, sorry, i will answer when i start editing again. Peace. --Striver 13:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC) Dorud bar šomâ, dar moredeh safheye Qur'ânDar talkpage Qur'ân didam šumâ mixâhin "Good Article Nomination" konid. Mixâstam begam ke in safhe nevešteh cizhâi ke "Good Article" Xâhad dâštebâšad. Negâ kardan be un safhe nešun midad ke šiš ciz yek safe xâhad dâštebâšhad ke betune "Good article" bâšad. Artikele Qur'ân in cizhârâ dârad, be qeir az šumâreye panj, ke nevešte artikel bâyad "stable" bâšavad. Felan artikele Qur'ân "stable" nist cun ke dâre ruz be ruz xeiyli avas mišavad. Bâ Tašakor, --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 05:19, 16 October 2006 (UTC) Please votePlease take a look at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2006/October/16. It seems that some people want to remove any reference to Palestine. --Palestine48 15:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC) Re: Palestine-stubTrouble? Not quite, though I appreciate your concern. You should realise that its not a "vote," but rather an attempt at discussion. In any event, no one wants to delete the template, but rather to make it more accurate (its listing at TfD is a technical issue). There is a Quds day because there is not yet a state called Palestine. Just like you might protest the absence of Palestine instead of pretending that there is one, we shouldn't name the template by what we'd like to be, but rather based on the reality, however unjust it may be. Cheers, TewfikTalk 07:21, 20 October 2006 (UTC) Shi'aThat is why there is a "Importance" section were they can be graded from "low" to "top". Peace. --Striver 10:31, 20 October 2006 (UTC) On this dayHi! You can participate in the selection of the "Selected anniversaries" section of the Main Page; here you'll find the information you need. If you have the western dates of historical events you can add them to the article of the correspondent day; for example the ascension of Khomeini to power is listed in the article for February 11. In the case of Islamic calendar events, you can only propose them for the day of the western calendar they correspond this year. If you have an objection or suggestion for some day's selection, comment it in the page of that day's Selected Anniversaries article; here you can start your search. Perhaps we should have some way to list Islamic calendar events. Anyway, I hope I was helpful!--cloviz 02:24, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Life under khomeiniThank you for your message. Yes I also want to be fair/just and NPOV, rational and non-dogmatic. I am sure we will disagree on some things but hope we find "common ground" and improve the article. Cheers --Leroy65X 21:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Leroy65X" Eid mubarakEid mubarak :) --Striver 13:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC) Re HizbollahNo problem w/ that. -- Szvest 17:42, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
RFCHi, Please contribute to an RFC on the Islam template. See here. thanks. Cuñado KhomeiniHello Sa.vakilian Since you've taken an interest in the Khomeini article I thought you might have some opinion on deletions made by Marmoulak http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruhollah_Khomeini&diff=84176812&oldid=84094269 everything deleted was provided with a source. By no means could the sources be considered pro-IRI --Leroy65X 20:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC) Shi'a mapHi Sa.vakilian. I like the Image:Shiite-1.jpg map but it's a pity as i see that it was removed by a bot because it disputed status of fair use images. I believe it is more accurate than Image:Muslim distribution.jpg. I don't have Photoshop or an image software but if you have you can recreate it yourself. -- Szvest 10:41, 3 November 2006 (UTC) Wiki me up ®
Bro, i tried, but the picture is to finely drawn. It takes to much time to edit it in paintshop.--Striver 12:15, 3 November 2006 (UTC) Iran hostage crisisThanks for your kind note. I would like to remind you that preview mode lets you see your edits before you save them, and helps reduce clutter in article histories, and that edit summaries help other editors understand the intent of an edit. If you could use both features more, other editors would definitely appreciate it! Happy editing. --Dhartung | Talk 03:24, 4 November 2006 (UTC) User PatchouliIf the behaviour of the user is tendious than i suggest that the best place to look at the matter would be Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. We have a similar case somehow here. You may have to present facts which signals tendious editing or non-respect of wikipedia rules and see what other admins would advice. -- Szvest 15:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC) Wiki me up ® oki have been a bit busy of late though my time may free up over the next few days, so i'll try to contribute whenever i can. ITAQALLAH 08:54, 8 November 2006 (UTC) SignpostTo get weekly deliveries of the Signpost, add your name here. Thanks for helping out with Islam's entry on ARCAID! Dev920 (check out this proposal) 08:24, 9 November 2006 (UTC) Murder"Islam gives license for muslims to kill reviler who reviles deliberately and understands Islam well." Arrow740 06:15, 11 November 2006 (UTC) shia guildStriver wrote on the muslim guild: "btw, there is not Shi'a and Sunni Guilds, they were renamed some while ago. --Striver 22:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)". Given he is the only real contributor, I figured that either consensus had been established, or that he has finally given up on his creation. Tell me, why do you object to this merging? Dev920 (Please vote here) 17:40, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Shi'a view of AliHi, I want to know why do you revert this part.[2] I think it clarifies Shi'a view well. --Sa.vakilian 09:57, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Islam familiarityI'm sorry, but my familiarity with Islam should not be relevant on Wikipedia. If I add factual and referenced information to Islamic articles, that is all that should matter. Dev920 (Please vote here) 11:43, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Dev920 13:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC) Guardianship of the Islamic JuristsI added "Misunderstandings" to Guardianship of the Islamic Jurists article. Farhoudk 20:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC) Hi SaVa--I hope you are well. Someone asked me to look at this stub and I am not familiar with this individual. Could you take a look and see if you think he is notable? Elizmr 16:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
SalamSalam, khoobi agha? mizooni? een term bichaareh shodeem. pedaremaan ro hesaabi dar avordan. I will be back again.--Zereshk 02:36, 18 December 2006 (UTC) RFCComment here please. Cuñado Re: JudaismDear Sa.vakilian, If you are interested in Judaism, I suggest you read the Wikipedia article on it. It is extremely dense and well written and there is much more knowledge in the article than I can probably tell you off the top of my head. Thanks for your interest. --GHcool 20:45, 24 December 2006 (UTC) Shi'a againHi. I couldn't figure out how you were voting. Could you please clarify here about your preference. Cuñado Re Protest against deletionSalam Please look at this votoing for deletion: [3] It began in 26 Dec. and ended in 31 dec. Just 6 person participate in it. Two of them voted to keep, two of them voted to weak delete. So I don't think there's any consensus about deletion. What should we do? --Sa.vakilian 03:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Shi'a POV issuesSV, you may have grown up "knowing" a great many things, but they are not necessarily things that an academic historian would accept. You may feel these things deeply, but that doesn't mean that they should be stated as fact, rather than Shi'a POV. As for the Sunni view of Yazid article -- Striver has worked that over thoroughly and turned it into a Shi'a article in disguise. He has combed Shi'a sites for any mention of Sunni historians taking a negative view of Yazid I, and entered all that in the article. Since Sunnis don't care that much about the issue, there has been no Sunni activity to bring the article back into balance. I have not had the time or the energy to counter Striver's energetic distortion of history. What you may not understand is that ALL the early Islamic history we know is contained in texts that weren't written down until the early Abbasid period. The Abbasids overthrew the Umayyads as usurpers and claimed the caliphate as the senior line of the Banu Hashim. Therefore none of the Abbasid historians, Sunni or Shi'a, have anything good to say of the Umayyads. After all, it was necessary to justify the overthrow. Of course you're going to find Sunnis saying nasty things about the Umayyads. That doesn't mean that they're true. After looking over the Abi Meknaf book you like so much, I moved it into the Shi'a external links. It is not a reliable text. Zora 11:56, 2 January 2007 (UTC) IsarigHave a look at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Incivility, disruptive editing, and stalking-like behavior from Isarig Abu ali 20:33, 3 January 2007 (UTC) SPAM #11A deletion review in which you participated has been relisted: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rafed.net (2nd nomination). Re: Battle of KarbalaI'll have a look(need to run now) and comment what I think. Cheers, --Aminz 02:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Sa.vakilian, I'll try to help. --Aminz 08:44, 5 January 2007 (UTC) Seyed, to be honest with you I am confused. Shoma vaghean harchi tooye Tabari neveshteh ghabool dari? hatta dastane Satanic verses? Tabari oun rou naghl mikoneh. Valy taghriban hameye musalmoonaye emrooz be soorate kamel radesh mikonan. But the source of my confusion is not this. The source you want to use is surely a primary source, let's say as reliable as Qur'an. Valy hanooz nemisheh mostaghim azash estefadeh kard. Seyed, in verseni ke inja revert shod [4] yek academic POV ast. Khoob, misheh ezafash kard, valy fekr konam Zora migeh ke academic ha lozooman hame injoori fekr nemikonan. Khoob, mitoonim begim har ki chejoori fekr mikoneh. --Aminz 09:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC) Seyed, I am going for a trip tomorrow and will be away for a couple of days. I suggest everybody takes some rest from this article. It is necessary to do so for controversial articles. We can then come back later. Cheers, --Aminz 10:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC) Hallo Sa. vakilian; it is not my intention in WP to follow or to participate in such diskussions since it is far away from being profound. Please do realise, that Abu Mikhnaf as a main source has been quoted by not Shi'ite historians as at-Tabari and al-Baladhuri. Thank you for your interest. Orientalist from the de: WP
ReliableSV, have you had any academic training in history? I'm wondering, because we seem to be talking right past each other. I'm NOT rejecting Muslims, or Shi'a, as sources. I'm saying that you have to use them carefully and ask the right questions. It's not black-and-white, all true or completely false. Suppose we have a manuscript that can be reliably dated to 1200 CE, and it purports to describe things that happened in 700 CE, for which there is otherwise no record. A historian would want to be very careful in using that manuscript as evidence for what happened in 700 CE. It's possible that there were intermediate manuscripts that were destroyed. Or perhaps there weren't. It's also possible, but extremely unlikely, that oral tradition had preserved something for 500 years. Oral tradition changes over time. However, the 1200 manuscript is very good evidence for what people believed in 1200! It all depends on what questions you ask. Historians also try to use bits of evidence in combination, like a detective solving a crime. If A and B are political enemies and have entirely different views of a certain event in history, the area where they overlap, the stuff that "everyone knows" and can't be fudged -- that at least is evidence of common belief and possibly historical reality. Because the methods of history are improving all the time (for instance, now we can use genetic markers, per Cavalli-Sforza) a historian using up-to-date methods may come to different conclusions than people using older methods. Modern historians are also on the alert for religious or ideological presuppostions that distort perceptions. No one can ever be quite free of them, but one can try. For those reasons, the work of the older Muslim historians is not accepted as "true," but as something to be investigated and sifted. Tabari is accepted for some things and rejected as mistaken on others. You seem to me to be working from a very black and white model. Sources are either trustworthy, and to be accepted in toto, or untrustworthy, and to be rejected. It's more of a spectrum, with most sources in the middle. I like some of your recent changes to the article. I've just been very busy yesterday and today (one of my cats is ill) and haven't had a chance to try a rewrite. Zora 08:53, 6 January 2007 (UTC) Org Chart for HezbollahTake a look at
Eid MobarakEid bar shoma ham mobarak. Dar morede primary source, oun fahm shakhsiyeh man az in page bood [5]. mitoonid az baghiye beporsin va edit rou bargardoonin. Shad bashin, Amin. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aminz (talk • contribs) 10:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC). Salam. I would like to ask you, if you can, to monitor Jaakobou's edits. He is inserting too much POV to the Lebanon article and no one is saying anything. I do not have time to contribute much to Wikipedia. Please try to resolve the problem. Embargo 16:58, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Komak!Salam o Dorood! During last month I worked on this article. I would like to invite you to see the article, comment on it and help in improving it. I would like to invite you to see the parts on Iranian culture in particular. Long live Iran! Sina Kardar 19:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
dar morede tareef e vajeh ha, man sai kardam iek tareef era'eh bedam va niz tedade zeeiadee maghaleh ro niz zameemeh kardam ke neshoon mideh rooie terminology hanooz tavafoq e nazar vojood nadareh. dar har soorat, ageh baz vaghtee azadee peida kardam, in maghaleh ro baz-nevisi mikonam va nokaate shoma ro vared mikonam. az zahmatee ke keshidid mamnoonam. rastee do ta kare digeh ham hast: Religious intellectualism in Iran and Religious traditionalism in Iran. albatteh tazeh dar marhaleie ebtedaaiee hast. be nazar mireseh ke ettelaate shoma kheili khoob hast. shaiad behtar basheh ke in maghalat ro afradee mesle shoma takmil konan. albatteh nemidoonam aia be ketab va maghaleh ha dastrasee dareed ia na? chon wikipedia por az afrade eslam-setiz hast ke in maghalat ro morede hamleh gharar midan. va lazem hast baraie har jomleh reference dashteh basheem. Sina Kardar 09:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Moddate zeeiadee hast ke man mikhastam in maghaleh ro benevisam, vali daqiqan bekhatere hamoon nokteiee ke shoma gofteed (iani seeiasee kari) in kar ro be takheer andakhtam. alan ham bekhatere jelogeeree az seeiasee karee az chandeen wikipedian e irani va moderate davat kardam ke in ro bekhoonan va edit konan. man ham sai kardam az zabane technical baraie maghaleh estefadeh konam ta sathe maghaleh paieen naiad. kare digeiee az daste man bar nemeeiad va tanhaiee nemitoonam keifeeiate maghaleh ro bishtar bala bebaram. Sina Kardar 13:33, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Nikah Misyar in need of an expertI've tagged this page for expert attention as it has been sat with a "Wikify" tag for ages but really needs the disputes settled before that can take place. Can you help? Madmedea 11:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC) A minor mistakeSalam. How are you? I found that you write "User talk:FayssalF: Islam in Al-Andalus and North Africa." in Wikipedia:WikiProject Iran/Expert Wikipedians in Iran-related issues so I moved it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam/Expert Wikipedians in Islamic issues.
Two Articles in need of your attentionThere are two entries at Wikipedia, which have falsely created -- they are Turco-Persian and Turko-Persian Tradition. Both entries are factitious. I have requested the entries to be deleted. My reasons are:
Any contributions would greatly appreciated. Bā Sepās Surena 02:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
(If you have time) Please vote in the survey on this proposed movehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Valiyat-e_faqih_%28book_by_Khomeini%29#Survey Valiyat-e faqih (book by Khomeini) → Hokumat-e Islami : Valiyat-e faqih (book by Khomeini) Thanx--Leroy65X 23:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
How about first we vote whether or not to change the article to Hokumat-e Islami : Valiyat-e faqih (book by Khomeini), and then vote whether to use persian or english, i.e. whether to have the title Hokumat-e Islami : Valiyat-e faqih (book by Khomeini) or Islamic government: guardianship of the jurist (book by Khomeini) ? --Leroy65X 16:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC) Edit summariesSalam. When you make edit summaries, make sure you have them like this:
rather than this:
It's easier to see your comments this way. :-) Cheers, Khoikhoi 04:30, 27 January 2007 (UTC) In the newsYou'r welcome. There's always misunderstanding and biased errors about topics dealing with these issues, but very few editors to notice and correct them. Cheers. CG 10:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC) Orphaned fair use image (Image:Shiite-1.jpg)Thanks for uploading Image:Shiite-1.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy). If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. This is an automated message from BJBot 13:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC) Imam Ali's pictureSalam alaykum . Kayfa anta? I found that you put picture of Imam Ali in your user page. I just want to mention you that this is an imaginary portrait.--Sa.vakilian 02:43, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Shiite-Sunni distribution mapSalam. What should we do about this map:Image:Shiite-1.jpg. A robot put this message in my talk page:User talk:Sa.vakilian#Orphaned fair use image (Image:Shiite-1.jpg)--Sa.vakilian 10:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Re:your notesBa Salam va tashakkor:
I don't know much about the issue and I think your arguments are plausible. About History of Fundamentalism in Iran, I will think and write to you below. Thanks agaian. Sina Kardar 13:08, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Re:your noteBe sapaas e faravan az vaghtee ke gozashteed. Man nazar e khodam ro be tarteeb e shomareh minevisam:
There are some statements in the article like "creative fundamentalism". I agree with your point. I kept them in the article for the sake of completeness.
When I started this article I knew this article will be attacked by some Islamophobes. I knew that if I leave this issue uncovered they will come and cover it in a biased way. Perhaps you know these users very well. Unfortunately most of these users are familiar with minor figures like Bokhari from the media, while they have never heard anything about Motahhari and Beheshti etc.
Also: I believe the article need to have a very simple language with a lot of examples and photos. It needs to be accessible to non Iranians and non experts. And the best way to keep it away from attacks is the following: we need to have a comprehensive article and accept inclusionism. I also tried to include the definition of fundamentalism and its root from the point of view of fundamentalists. The article is there and I invite you and others to rewrite it. For the very simpel reason that I wrote almost everything, it is not free from bias. I think you are knowledgable and I invite you to add info or edit the article, delete my writings etc. I still think the article has a much higher quality in comparison to similar articles that we have for other countries or for the muslim world. Ba sepaas e faravan. Sina Kardar 14:17, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Ashura Articleالسلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركات Regarding the Ashura article, from my (Sunni perspective) the page does not give a balanced point of view. The day is significant to all Muslims, Sunni and Shi'a, but if someone had to read the article, they would not understand that there are two points of view. For instance, statements like "Commemoration of Ashura is not a festival, but rather a sad event for both Shi'as and Sunni Muslims" are misleading. To me and other Sunni's I know, the day was proclaimed to be a holy day by our prophet SAW because of all the positive things that happened on the day. Sunni's are encouraged to spend on their families (gifts etc.). Yes, a sad event did occur on the day, but it is the general opinion of Sunni's I know that this does not detract from the positive events that occurred on the day. Furthermore, the "popular customs" section does not apply to Sunni's but the article gives an impression that it does. A fair approach to both Sunni and Shi'a would be to separate the article into separate Shi'a and Sunni sections. Yusufk 12:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC) Re: Are you well?Unfortunately the article appeared very different then than it does now. Another major factor is the name, which frames the contents in an improper manner. Perhaps I will amend my statement to better reflect these points. TewfikTalk 04:47, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
(If you have time) please vote in this survey on another proposed movefrom Valiyat-e faqih (book by Khomeini) → to either Hokumat-e Islami : Valiyat-e faqih (book by Khomeini) or Islamic government: guardianship of the jurist (book by Khomeini)
Hi Sa.vakilian. There is some discussion on Talk:Anti-Iranianism about future directions for the article, and some such as GabrielF (who put it up for deletion) are proposing some major changes. You may be interested in taking part in the discussions. Cheers. --70.48.243.54 01:19, 2 February 2007 (UTC) Re:your noteSalam Great suggestion. One point irrelevant to our discussion: It is very useful to have an article on Shia fundamentalism. However we have to be careful and not to mix it with the fundamentalsim in Iran. I have several reasons for that:
I will help you in the talk page to reach a good definition. It is good to invite people of different background to comment on the issue. Take care. Sina Kardar 09:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
If you follow what happened to the article User:Farhoudk made on religious democracy, you see my point. His article had a good quality but a low survival. I think we need to be intelligent and use our experience. I have clear evidence that our article has a high survival and now we can increase its quality. There are issues in the article that are not neccessary when it comes to quality but they are necessary when it comes to the survival of the article against attacks. I am sure when an islamophobe or a user with extreme anti Iran POV sees the article, he/she will not have any desire to attack the article. This is the function of those "un-necessary ponits" that are mentioned in the article, to my mind. About neo-fundamentalism or neo-conservatism I have to say that I don't see it as a big deviation from main stream fundamentalism in Iran. I think they just use new tools for the same goals. Sina Kardar 11:19, 2 February 2007 (UTC) Template:Islam in IranInteresting. Farhoudk 15:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC) Re: your noteThat's fine. Take care. Sina Kardar 17:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Iran RevWe can use the approach which was used in Hezbollah article. First we add whatever we find in the article. Then whe it reached to 117 kb we shorten it and made 8 new articles.--Sa.vakilian 18:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Leroy65X"
Intro to Iran Rev articledid some more rewritng and left note for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Iranian_Revolution#Intro --Leroy65X 17:33, 7 February 2007 (UTC) Re: Hezbollah topicThank you for following up with me on this. I appreciate the care you put into that article from a neutral POV, which I find refreshing. I'll check back frequently to admire your work. Spragc 19:33, 7 February 2007 (UTC) Image from Ayatollah khomeiniSalam. I saw you've uploaded an image [6] and claimed that you're the you're the author of this work. Really!!! There's a site which says we can use its contents. I prefer to use its photos.[7]--Sa.vakilian 09:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
FarsiDo you familiar with Persian language.--Sa.vakilian 03:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Leroy65X"
Your photosBa dorud. Although this massage may bother you but I should tell you that I put distributed tag on some of the photos which you've uploaded comprising:[8], [9], [10], [11], [12] and [13] . I put this tag on these images whether I like them or not.--Sa.vakilian 06:28, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Battle of KarbalaMy job is almost finished. Please take a look at the article. Farhoudk 19:12, 11 February 2007 (UTC) Movement of 15 KhordadKeep on the good work. Take care. Sina Kardar 18:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC) BazarganDear Sa.vakilian, my english is not so good but I will do what I can. I have something due friday and I don't spend much time on wikipedia now. I hope it would be okay if I can do that after my deadline. Hope everything is going well with you and take care Brother. --Aminz 10:08, 13 February 2007 (UTC) Iranian responseHey, great job on the Iranian section in Plans for strikes against the Iranian nuclear program! Let's just hope it doesn't come to pass ; ) Joshdboz 11:54, 13 February 2007 (UTC) Safavid DynastySalam. Yes, I agree with your edits so far. Totally agree with top part, except you might want to change independent Iranian state to Iranian empire, as that was part of the consensus. Also, the background of Safavi order has lower priority than founder section, because the page is devoted to Safavid Dynasty, and the founder of Dynasty was Ismail, who was of Safavi order. So it should first introduce the founder, then about his background. But in general, I agree with your balanced edit. Thanks for doing this. Atabek 17:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Homa DarabiI think the information is insufficient."Dr. Homa Darabi after 50-lashes, punishment for violation of sharia. Darabi had attended a family gathering were men other than her father and brother were present." As I know there are too many mixed party in Iran and if government wants to punish all of them, then it may include more than 20 million persons. At least I was present in some of them when I was child. Thus there should be happened something worse like drinking alcohol, etc. Furthermore there isn't such punishment in Islam for mixed party.--Sa.vakilian 19:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
SafavidI think your edit with regards to Safavid was constructive. Although the later Safavids probably used Persian as their primary language. Specially after the relocation to Esfahan. But I'll wait for the opinion of others, but I like the current edits. If others accept it, then the better. If not, then I guess we need to build more concensus. But thanks for getting involved in the article. --alidoostzadeh 04:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Patchouli stuffI see you have had problems with Patchouli's POV editing as well, such as at Mutaween, where Patchouli simply removed your disputed tag despite the fact that there was a dispute. These things must be noted. Feel free to contribute to the current ANI, or you can just reserve your say for the ArbCom itself. I will notify you when it begins; I aim to start it up within the next 24 hours. I have some deadlines to meet outside of WP that need to be taken care of first, then I need to read up more on the ArbCom process, but after these things I will start it. The Behnam 06:02, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
translationHi That translation you requested is rough because the first sentence is the size of a normal English paragraph. It seems you did most of the job though and I gave it a shot (although my interest in wikipedia is with regards to history). According to his commandment to Bazargan: "Respected Engineer Bazargan. Based the recommendations of Revolutionary Council, and in accordance with the religious rights and legal rights which originated from the vote of overwhelming majority of Iranian nation for leadership of the movement which has been represented in the vast gatherings and wide demonstrations in total area of Iran and because of my utmost trust on your solid faith in holy school of Islam and my knowledge of your precedent in Islamic and national endeavors, I appoint you. This appointment was taken without taking into consideration your relationship with any parties and dependence in especial group and was taken in order for formation of temporary government to arrange organizing of country affairs and especially perform a referendum and refer to public vote of nation about turning the country into Islamic republic and formation of "Establishment council" from the representatives of people to approve of constitution of new regime and on the basis this new constitution, the election of representatives of parliament of nation. It is necessary that you appoint and introduce the members of the temporary government as soon as possible in concordance with the conditions I have clarified. Government and military officials and citizens of the country are urged to cooperate fully with your temporary government and adhere to reach the goals of the holy revolution and establish order to the affairs of the country. At this sensitive juncture of history, I praise and ask God for your success and that of the temporary government.’’ Ruhollah Al-Musavi al-Khomeini I do not have time right now to refurbish the translation, but I think you can take it from here. --alidoostzadeh 17:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC) Your suggestionThank you for your suggestion. I would welcome any contribution to WP, as long as it is compliant with WP:RULES. BTW, we don't WP:OWN articles here, so you don't need to ask. Article's Talk page is a good place to start. Thanks. ←Humus sapiens ну? 22:02, 16 February 2007 (UTC) TarjomehI pasted it on the talk page. bebin chetoreh.--Zereshk 00:46, 17 February 2007 (UTC) Please see the section I added on racism. I think anti-Muslim racism has not been properly covered in wikipedia. There is no category for Islamophobes.Sina Kardar 10:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
What should we do now?Please look at [18] and tell me what should we do now? --Sa.vakilian 03:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Re: Community banSure, I'll check it out. The only problem is that I've gotten into conflicts with him in the past, so I don't think I can consider myself neutral on this. Khoikhoi 04:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC) Re:Thanks, for telling me, let him do a checkuser those aren't me, :-) Artaxiad 08:29, 20 February 2007 (UTC) Battle of KarbalaPlease see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_karbala#Impact_on_the_Literature Farhoudk 11:02, 20 February 2007 (UTC) Iranian noticeboardThis neutral note was a good idea. Bishonen | talk 12:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC). Iranian revolution - Khomeini pronouncementDoes the Khomeini translation sound good in English? yes, but the first sentence is very long and should have some comas in it. Do you want me to add them and put the quotation in the quotation section? --Leroy65X 17:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC) I think the quotation is too long for the article but might work in the quotation section at the end. I'm a newbee so I'm not sure what the policy is on long quotes. I'll try and find out. --Leroy65X 16:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC) My Alleged POV edition of Iranian RevolutionSalam alaika (or ki). My quotes and evidence comes from quite well known analysts and observers- Moin, Brumber, Keddie, etc. (e.g. while other groups were misled by Khomeinist statements giving "a democratic interpretion of the future Islamic Republic." [1] that you deleted comes from a well known analyst of Iran Nikki Keddie. [19] She is not a Muslim, but like many foreign observers, she thought the Shah a tyrant and was excited about the revolution in 1978-9.) Yes, we should have positive as well as negative information. I tried to balance the information on women in the Islamic revolution. (Note: I tried to do this also on the wiki article on Khomeini but it was contintually deleted by a certain Marmoulak.) Yes, I have never been to Iran. Most of my information on Iran comes from reading about it. I am an American and it is hard for non-Iranian Americans to go to Iran. God bless you too --Leroy65X 16:02, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Aramesh DoustdarPlease see Aramesh Doustdar, if you are interested. Take care.Sina Kardar 16:46, 22 February 2007 (UTC) 01:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC) Jews in IranHi SaVa, I just saw your comment on my talk page about this; I must have missed it before. I have known many Iranians in the US--personally and professionally, and like Persian dancing and food. There are two Persian restaurants in my neighborhood. I did read about the large population of Jews in Iran more than any Muslim country in the world on an article at the Jimena Web site. I was sad that the government does not allow the school the Jewish kids attend to close on Shabbat. Do you know that this means that Jews cannot practice their religion fully? In the US schools are not closed on Fridays; I am not sure if this is considered a problem for Muslims. Elizmr 01:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC) Interesting changes, you really did your research. Although I don't know so much on the topic of Jews in Iran, I think this is a good step in the right direction in this controversial article and I think people on "both sides" of the "argument" can see the merits of this. Keep up the great work. Valley2city 22:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC) Latest in Iranian RevolutionI made a bunch of edits and additions I think you will think are good. We will still have to sort out our differences on Ideology of revolution and some other sections. I hope we have enough agreement now to remove the POV tag from the beginning of the article and just use them for sections. [20] --Leroy65X 23:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC) Anti-AkhoundAnti-clerics needs to be expanded by adding some clear examples. please help when you have time. Sina Kardar 16:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
What are you talking about? And why did you remove the award? Embargo 16:22, 4 March 2007 (UTC) Hayy ibn yakdhanAlaykom alsalam, I just created the article yesterday; and I'm searching I found the article in the Arabic wikipedia now and it says that Ibn sina wrote the tale then Ibn Tufail. However, Ibn Tufail made his own version with different structure because the original tale did not match his ideas (قناعات) .And the last version was made by Ibn Alnafis with different ideas and different names which was Salih ibn Kamil. Please feel free to write in the article in order to expand it...thank you --Aziz1005 13:28, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Award{{ SalmanCome on my brother, you don’t have to tell me that. The only reason I am at wikipedia is because of articles relating to Shi’ahs. Later Salman 23:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC) God bless you too, but when did I personally attack you? Embargo 16:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC) NeologismYou show your enough understading about our culture, I am really sorry to visitng people who acctually have not enough information about something and consider themselves as scholar --Ali 11:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC) Shia IslamI took a look at it. Wow, lots of edits :) I agree with you that the article needs more edits but I think what it needs most is adding sources. For Shia POV, maybe a book from Seyyed Hossein Nasr helps. Cheers, --Aminz 03:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC) Terrorism in IranHi, I responded on the talkpage - Talk:Terrorism in Iran. Regards, KazakhPol 17:33, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
UserboxesActually, I am familiar enough with Wikipedia policy. Many users have userboxes expressing support for Israel, the United States, cats.. whatever. I have discussed my userbox with many admins and we have reached a consensus. Embargo 20:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC) Battle of ThermopylaeThe tags you added were on the accounts which were traditionally given by Herodotus and accepted/repeated by modern historians (see P. Green - the Greco-Persian wars). The source is already provided at the bottom, and already overlinked to the article. There's no reason to link them on every single full stop. Also, please don't change the head, I think it provides a good summary of the event. Miskin 03:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
And please restore the reference you moved to the aftermath section. It was fine in the head. Miskin 03:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC) From IzmasterI didn't know how to be adopted and put it on your page but then deleted it...sorry ImagesSalam Alaykum There were some images based on fair use like Image:Iran-chemical.JPG. I replaced some them with images which have been released under GFDL license. Should I put a tag to delete them.Vakilian (u, t, c)--12:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
All of these pictures show Iranian POV. Can you find western or Iraqi POV. Vakilian (u, t, c)--13:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Look at this page. It claims that the name of the creator of the Universe derives from a tree. Isn't it hilarious? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Al-Bargit (talk • contribs) 09:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC). Lewis quotationHi, can you tell me why you removed part of the Lewis quotation here? --Matt57 12:12, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Re:your noteSalam I understand your point. My aim of writing this article was the following:
Honestly I am no expert on this issue and I don't support a single statement of the article personally. However I can clearly see that most Iranian thinkers don't understand it either. What shall we do then? We have to start from somewhere. Should we wait until an American neo-con initiate such an article? Who should write this article? people like Tabatabai? people like Doustdar? people like Soroush? people like Mesbah? people like Khatami? people like Yousef Sanei? people like Emad Afrough? people like Ahmad Sadri? Bernard Lewis? Jahanbegloo? Davari? Mohammad Arkoun? I can only recommend you to rewrite the article. in Ashofteh bazare fekri dar iran baiad saman begireh va wikipedia jaie khoobi baraie tamrin kardan hast. My last point: az oxfordi ha bot nasaz! neveshteh haie oonha ham dar morede iran changi be del nemizaneh. man iek mah rooie in maghaleh kar kardam. agar 100 ta irani ie digeh har kodoom iek mah rooie in article kar konan, misheh iek maghaleie khoob. Sina Kardar 13:39, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Tabarian CalendarDorood, Thank you for your response, I recommend you reading this book, ISBN 964-360-455-1 which written in persian and is about iranian chronology, It also uses tabarian calendar to answering some scholars that iran has ancient culture and current persian calendar is not a heritage of arabs, since it's epoch is similar to hijra calendar, Anyway, There is an article in persian wp, i think it would be possible to translating the articles from another language? yeah? Please help me to reviewing it again and to helping writing about the culture of mazandarani people --Ali 22:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
SalamSalam, Thank you for your edits I really appreciate your contributions especially on the Islamic conquest of Persia Article--Aziz1005 22:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC) Template:Sa.vakilianSalam alaykum I made this template and use it as my signature. But today an admin deleted it and I made it again. Is it against wikipedia policy?Vakilian (u, t, c)--17:02, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I notice you have created this page. There are two problems with this. First, pages which are only of use to one user could be created as a user subpage, such as User:Sa.vakilian/MyNewPage. The Template: name space should not be used for personal things. Secondly, that page looks a lot like a signature template, and the policy at WP:SIG specifically prohibits signature templates. If you have any questions about templates, user pages, or signatures, feel free to leave me a message. Thanks. —dgiestc 17:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
RE:your message on my talkpageI closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/An English word.. belongs in Wiktionary, not here as it was a malformed nomination that was never correctly listed; and the article already survived and AfD per the other link you provided.--Isotope23 20:01, 20 March 2007 (UTC) PrayersSure. Just credit me. Bless you! Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:47, 21 March 2007 (UTC) Please reconsider your vote to merge Human rights in pre-Saddam IraqHi Sa.vakilian, I've just put a lot of work into improving Human rights in pre-Saddam Iraq so that the article is not now anything like what it was when you voted to merge. I think it may meet your objections to it, so please take another look and see what you think. I'm still not satisfied with the article, but it has roughly the proper scope and many more reliable sources. I think what I've done shows that there's too much material out there to merge this article with anything else. Significant gaps remain and some subjects should have footnotes from more sources, but I think the article is several steps toward what it should be. Best, Noroton 23:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC) SaddamI agree. Noroton 02:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC) Oh, I didn't see your other statement. I agree about Saddam using WMDs. As far as disambiguation page versus a main page, that is more work than I'm willing to do, at least any time soon. I like the idea of being able to say on it that Saddam was by far the worst of a series of bad regimes, but beyond that political point, I'm not sure what the historical value is. I'm agnostic on that. I just want to make sure that this information is preserved. I'm also not sure how long this pre-Saddam article is going to be, although I know it's eventually going to be longer, so no matter what happens, I think this article is necessary. Noroton 02:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Please semi-protect the articleSalam. Do see the history of the article.[21]--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 10:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi there. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I've requested semi-protection for the page now. Now just waiting on approval from a Wikipedia admin. In future, you can do this yourself at this page: Wikipedia:Requests for page protection :) Chrisch 10:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC) Why don't you answerSalam. Kayfa anta ya akhi I sent some mails for you , but you don't answer me?--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 10:26, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Vandal PatrollingDear Sa.vakilian, Greetings, we were trying to revert the same vandalism page at Ultimate fate of the universe at the same time, it seems you win and I was checking who was it while I got an edit conflict page. Best wishes, --Cyril Thomas 14:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC) Happy NorouzSalam, ba tashakor. Norouz bar shoma. How can I help? Khorshid 11:59, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
SalamHello, Sa.vakilian. Thank you very much for your helpful message. I will read through the links you have sent me. I hope I messaged your correctly. That's a very good suggestion. But I think we should only provide a summary in the Islam article. The details can go to other articles. Cheers, --Aminz 02:23, 24 March 2007 (UTC) Re: QuestionIt looks like the first one is resolved as a redirect but the nominator also included Arabic place of Sajdah in the AfD. Were you intending on redirecting that as well? If so it can be closed as a speedy redirect, which non-admins can do. VegaDark 08:00, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
2007 incidentHello. Could you please insert a dispute tag here: [22] John Smith's and I have a disagreement about that section, but he reverted the dispute tag I put there. We could really use a third opinion regarding our debate. Please see here: [23] Thank you.Azerbaijani 02:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Garryglitter49No he is a blatant vandal. See [24]. The Behnam 04:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Opera (Internet suite) incidentYou haven't covered all your tracks. Pictures from Sajed.irHi Sa.Vakilian, I noticed that you uploaded a bunch of pictures from that website, the great news is that they are GFDL licensed. I wanted to ask you if you could upload them on commons so they can be used on other wikis too (since you know what are the images you uploaded from that site). Thanks a lot. Fabienkhan | talk page 11:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
AutoWikiBrowserHi, Thanks for approving me. Can I asked my questions about AWB if I had any problem with it.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 02:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
AWBYou need to download and install .NET Framework 2.0 in order to get AWB working. MaxSem 05:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC) An Order To Maalik al-AshtarAll good advice: justice, courage, kindness, compassion, love, forgiveness, humility. Then this caught my eye:
That's Zorastrian right? And yet, did Ali ibn Abi Talib ever even set foot in Iran? Interesting. --Leroy65X 18:45, 27 March 2007 (UTC) Photos from AlmanarSorry man, I'm afraid I don't know anything about image copyright rules. Sorry I can't help more. — George Saliba [talk] 09:29, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Independence in Iran
Iranian revolutionLatest in Iranian Revolution arrangement (organization)See what you think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Iranian_Revolution#Slight_change_in_rearrangement Salam alaika --Leroy65X 18:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Latest in Iranian Revolutionsee what you think of the new summarized, wikified ideology of the revolution [25] Salam alaika --Leroy65X 23:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
At your service. (Unless I get busy) --Leroy65X 16:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC) OK, Have any counterproposal to my outline? --Leroy65X 16:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm busy today but have added some dates to the timeline. Happy NoRooz --21:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC) Salam, Hope you had a good holiday. I was out of action yesterday but will try to do some work today. --Leroy65X 21:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC) Latest in Iranian Revolution TimelineI shortened the "speeches" but I think we need them.Speeches Also, any reply to [29] or [30] or [31] --Leroy65X 20:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC) Salam, The map only refers to the period of Abbasids, especially the 8th and 9th centuries. In this map, Khorasan is shown as an administrative division within the Abbasid caliphate. It may not show the entire regions of Khorasan. About Sabzevar, I think Damghan was the most western city in Khorasan. Just as an example, in Noorul-Ulum (the work of Abul-Hassan Kharaqani), Kharaqan (located in north of Shahrood) was called as a town in Khorasan. This point can be easily observed in the map that you presented. Damaghan is situated in the frontier of Khorasan (khorasan province in Abbasid caliphate) in the map. Ariana310 19:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC) Al-Manar editingI'll try my best I recently made some edits to this article based on the issues you mentioned. Any further comments?--Sefringle 06:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC) Maybe you could ask me rather than someone elseIf you have a problem with the way I conduct my edits, this is the first I am hearing of it. Had you done so, I would have explained that the post in question was an in-joke for those of us editors wading through the dozens of ridiculous POV edits that were showing up in the article. If you did not understand the reaction to the absurdity of a country essentially declaring war on a B-grade movie, then pershaps you need to revisit humor. At the very least, you could have done the adult thing and contacted me about your objections to the comment. I am not so unreasonable that I would not have considered removing it. Maybe file that away for future reference the next time you take exception to something i say, okay? Arcayne 07:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC) CongratulationsGood work getting Iranian revolution and Ruhollah Khomeini in Wikipedia:Vital articles! (I hope some of my writing in Iranian revolution helped a little.) --Leroy65X 15:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC) What's my idea? Mainly that I don't have time to get involved! Yes, I agree the list shouldn't be eurocentric, it should be culturally balanced. (Sure call me Leroy) --Leroy65X 15:47, 31 March 2007 (UTC) Al-ManarI have started work on fixing/updating the references. They have been neglected for a while, lots of dead URLs etc, but hopefully I will be done soon. mceder (u t c) 19:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
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