User talk:Ryan Postlethwaite/archive6
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Kncyu38 Owning ArticlePlease don't let Kncyu38 own the Manfred Von Richtofen article. He is dismmissing consensus and Jimbo guidelines, along with promoting propaganda while telliing others not to edit without his permission. After this all was seemingly , including with him, resolved a few days ago, he is now reverting the article and attempting to "own" it. Thanks! JohnHistory 18:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC)JohnHistory Help pleaseYour urgent help would be most appreciated here. -- Jreferee 21:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC) WhateverI don't see how edits to my own user page can be vandalism, but then again, I;m not an admin, so I can't make things up as I go along. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.90.96.17 (talk • contribs)
Deleting talk page?Why delete a talk page? It may provide a useful record of past events. Friday (talk) 22:34, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
In the film version, I will be played by a young charlton hestonI must be a rogue admin, from the looks of my talk page tonight ;). A Traintalk 01:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
This.Did you see this yet? :) Acalamari 19:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
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ThanksThanks for the help with User_talk:Belbo_Casaubon. I've never been attacked like that before. It was kinda shocking to see that vicious of a post. You know, he actually seems proud of it: [4]. Dreadlocke ☥ 22:19, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I hate email, but it's temporarily enabled. =) — coelacan — 22:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks!Thanks for reverting vandalism to my user page. Best regards, Húsönd 23:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello, An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Betacommand. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Betacommand/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Betacommand/Workshop. On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Newyorkbrad 00:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC) I sent him a message asking him if he would change his name. I will not be around much for the next two weeks, so please keep an eye on how he responds, and submit an RFCN if you think it's warranted. Thanks. YechielMan 17:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Wheels?Who was Willy On Wheels? I hear he got the phrase: On Wheels!!!! to be a synonym of VandalismSethdoe92 23:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC) ReviewCan you review me? You can reach the page via the tilde in my signature. ~Steptrip 00:24, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
My RfARyan, thank you for your nomination and ongoing support in my recent successful RfA.--Anthony.bradbury 10:10, 31 March 2007 (UTC) Well, Ryno- the first thing you ought to tell your new charge is that it's a very bad idea to spoof other users' signatures. I was about to go leave him a message myself, but I saw that you've already been over to talk with him and I don't wish to go over your head. A Traintalk 19:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC) HelpI need your help. I'm now very tired and annoyed reading, since days, advices and pages about wikipedia policies without finding a real solution. Since days I wait for an administrator to cancel my account. I found incredible being in the impossibility to cancel an account I created. "Do I have to make vandalism in Wiki pages to finally found someone clever enough to answer to my request and cancel my account?" I asked.. I had no reply. Please accept my request and cancel definitively my account from wikipedia. Thank you. MDMDMDMD —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MikeMcGD (talk • contribs), 31 March 2007 (UTC).
You got me goodYou got me good until I checked the diff. I first thought "wtf, mate" when I saw my watchlist! – Chacor 01:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC) Me tooMy first reaction was WTF??? Then I looked at the date. Nice one, dude :) - Alison☺ 02:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
What a mean joke. I was so excited for a minute there. Shathaniel 14:50, 1 April 2007 (UTC) On Wheels!!!!I love A good Laugh! <!-- Sethdoe92 16:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC) --> Funny
You've retired?Hahaha. April Fools on Wheels! — zero » 17:58, 1 April 2007 (UTC) Editor reviewHey, Ryan. I noticed from your contributions that you may still be online, so could you review me? (I've asked you this before, but I'm just making sure that remember about it.) ~Steptrip 12:02, 3 April 2007 (UTC) I'm ReadyI'm Ready For My Coaching. . . Coach Ryanpostlethwaite Sethdoe92 16:16, 3 April 2007 (UTC) 1 week blockIs a "1 week block" for seven days, or just five? Dreadlocke ☥ 23:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
New RFCN schema?Ryan, should I take it that your new plan involves putting every single RFCN'd username on its own subpage, regardless of length of discussion, and transcluding it onto the main RFCN page while it's being discussed? If that's the case, it might save you a bit of work to see what we did over at WP:SSP with inputboxes, notably WP:SSP/Create -- since that automatically starts a page, pulls up a template for it, and puts your own customized instructions above the edit box. I'd happily adapt the idea to RFCN if you like. But please notice the downside of subpages compared to the archived one-page-history: the subpages take up a bit more space, and are vulnerable to post-discussion editing (vandalism, vote-changing, or deletion) -- they don't necessarily stop being used once the case is "closed". Give me a hint of what you want, and I'll try to code it for you. -- Ben TALK/HIST 02:54, 4 April 2007 (UTC) For instance, try this inputbox. -- Ben TALK/HIST 04:17, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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Your messageSorry, I saw your message too late (it coincided with my having a relatively early night); I see that someone has closed the RFCN, though. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 11:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
QuestionHey! Got a question about an issue with another editor who actually edited one of my posts, claiming that WP:TALK gave him that right, since I made a minor change after he responded to it. I know I shouldn't really edit my own posts after they've been responded to, but this edit was very minor and did not affect either the post or his response - and it isn't prohibited by WP:TALK. So, I took it to ANI, but I wanted to see what you thought (they're not responding very quickly, busy page!). This is the notice on the ANI board, and when I asked the other editor what context had been changed, this was his response - I mean, there was obviously no context change that affected his answer... I don't want an editor to think he can run around changing other's posts, unless it's for truly egregious and violates WP:BLP or WP:NPA (even npa can be problematic.) What do you think? Dreadlocke ☥ 18:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Just fyi, the user still feels he can edit my posts to "correct my violations" after I've changed them.[7] He just now copied an old version of an edited post by another user, but I'm not sure if there's anything wrong with that. (same link as above) ANI is intersting, they keep addressing the BLP stuff, which is irrelevant to my issue. One editor even thought I made the attack...sheesh... Sorry to bug you with all this crap...I should probably just ignore it... :) Dreadlocke ☥ 20:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
JohnHistory time and againRyan, could you take yet another look at this. JohnHistory keeps turning up every few days, changing the article against consensus. I'm not so much interested in or concentrated on that article, so I noticed only today [8]. On the talk page, he is attacking me as conspiring against him and destroying the article once again [9]. To be honest, I think the article is as good as it gets for now, and I'm tired of cleaning up behind JohnHistory, I've got better things to do, as do we all. —KNcyu38 (talk • contribs) 12:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
WP:3 - fine by me, thanks for the suggestion. —KNcyu38 (talk • contribs) 16:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC) RFCNCertainly. Please see the thread you started on the admin board, where several people were objecting to the complexity. I suspect my version may be overly short, at any rate. >Radiant< 13:51, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
SprotHiyya. I took the liberty and semi'd your userpage this morning as you were taking a hammering. Hope you don't mind! - Alison☺ 17:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC) (BTW - thanks for keeping a level head during the recent WP:RFCN hell which spilled over into a page of its own. Well done!) "Consensus"Where is the consensus for this change to WP:RFCN? As far as I can tell, you implemented this change less than 24 hours after proposing it on the talk page. That's not consensus. If you had happened to propose it on some other date, because of the short period of time it would have been roundly rejected, just because different people are online or notice a page on different days. If you wish to make a major change to something, you need to allow sufficient time for others to consider and discuss the proposal. It is not necessarily bad to implement it right away if there is a favorable response, it is false to say that you are following "consensus", when no such thing can be formed after so brief a time between proposal and implementation. —Centrx→talk • 02:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC) Majorly's RfBHey Ryan, thanks a lot for your kind support on my RfB. Sadly, it didn't pass, but I appreciate your support and I do intend to run again eventually. I hope you've been enjoying your admin tools, and once again it was a pleasure to nominate you. Majorly (o rly?) 02:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC) Nice job
I agree. Great work on the new method of RFCN. Well done! G Donato (talk to me...) 13:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
My Canberra friend... is now requesting unblock. Hehe. – Riana ऋ 19:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Improved CaseForm displayRyan, would you please move or cut-and-paste the text now in User_talk:Ryanpostlethwaite/_CaseForm over to Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/User_names/_Docs/_CaseForm ? It not only looks nicer, it keeps the header format compatible with the pre-subpage header format. You'll notice Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User names/Jesusfreak10 is a test case. -- Ben TALK/HIST 17:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
ready?Xiner's getting mighty impatient for my RFA and Physicq210 is trying to make me an offer I can't refuse. Would you be ready to do the nom soon? — coelacan — 22:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC) Coelacan RfAIt doesn't matter, just as long as we get this thing done. —210physicq (c) 02:54, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, Ryan! — coelacan — 00:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC) Pharmacology student, eh?Have you seen WP:PHARM? —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 21:05, 7 April 2007 (UTC) JHHey Ryan. Well, bibliomaniac15 responded to the request here. As the latest bit of the discussion revolved around the exact wording and JH offered another lenghty reply, I asked bm15 to specify and he replied in agreement with my version. Since then, everything has remained silent. —KNcyu38 (talk • contribs) 02:02, 8 April 2007 (UTC) Re:RfAThank you very much for the nomination, (I hope you didnt mind the momination here and not emailed!). I am honoured by this but I very recently had a second nomination which I withdrew at 17/16/1, this was mainly due to the fact that I had once voted on 6 AfD's in 8 minutes and that caused many people to oppose, therefore I'd like to give it time to fix that and get my edits up to about 20K 'ish. I thank you very much for this and I would love for you to nominate me in the future months (possibly July??) but I'm going to have to decline for the minute to work on some of the issues raised and not come over as too eager, again - I am thrilled by the proposed nom. Thank you very much - Tellyaddict 12:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Appears to be a sock of a user you blocked for vandalism on this page. This user is now doing the same- and IPs are in same range. GDonato (talk) 15:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
3RRI'm not in violation of WP:3RR because I'm editing different versions of the page.--Ed ¿Cómo estás? 16:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, I just changed the redirect at Wikipedia:Esperanza and removed a notice from the esperanza page accordingly. Is this breaking 3RR? Should I revert myself? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 20:25, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
CivilityAfter I got this ? — Indon (reply) — 20:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Protection at WP:BIOI noticed that you protected the music notability page. You might consider the same for WP:BIO. Thanks. --Kevin Murray 21:09, 9 April 2007 (UTC) Signpost updated for April 9th, 2007.
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Yes, I will. I dont actually think how close he is coming to being blocked. I was looking at his edits and I noticed he often said Ass cream, even when voting on RfA's? I will tell him and if he continues I'll leave you a note, I think he means well just doesn't know quite what he is doing and the results which could be blocked. Thanks for telling me - Tellyaddict 16:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
RfA accidentDo you think i should leave the rfa-nomination template on Radiant!'s page? I know i removed it and replaced it with "what the...?"....... :) Simply south 18:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
HeyHey Ryan I just wanted to know if this user has gone through WP:RFCN Because as you know I just came back after nearly 3 weeks and Iam not sure>>(User:Jesusinmysock)....--Cometstyles 19:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
RebeccaC21.You were quick with that one; I went to search for Project For Pride in Living and found it was already gone. Thanks for that. Acalamari 16:23, 11 April 2007 (UTC) Project for Pride in LivingI can't log into my old account because I had to change my name to RebeccaC21 because they said before it was blatant advertising to have my organization name. Is there any way I can still delete this? My boss is very upset. It's a;ready sorted now Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/talk 16:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC) AnagramsRadiant probably got the anagram from a server like this one: http://wordsmith.org/anagram/ ... personally, I much prefer "Satan pee holy writ." Obviously, you have some strange religious views... ;) Mangojuicetalk 18:28, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
protection of EA?IMHO, we weren't edit warring this time. In fact, I really think that we're making good progress here. Since the middle of February, my edits were continuously reverted by Dev for no good reasons. However, she began to accept two of my edits! I don't see how reverting grammatical changes constitutes a major enough situation to make an edit war.--Ed ¿Cómo estás? 22:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that discussion will help: all previous attempts have failed. Requests for input at the VP and HD have returned no helpful remarks. Dev has removed about half of the messages I sent to her. Right now, IMHO the only way to get my point across is by going up the dispute process--Ed ¿Cómo estás? 00:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
64.251.53.130I'm curious why you indefinitely blocked this IP. Could you explain further what the situation is with this IP to warrant such a block? Thanks. --Geniac 16:23, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Re:SorryJust rolled back one of your edits by accident [13], pressed the wrong button! I've corrected my mistake now though. Sorry about that, hope there's no hard feelings Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/talk 15:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Matt FureyHey there again. I'm back for a few days and I am already getting this stuff. I'm ignoring it for now, but should I report this kind of behaviour somewhere? I'm on lunch break right now so I won't be able to respond right away, I'll be back at around 3 o'clock. Nice to be back for a bit. Philip Gronowski Contribs 17:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
SoLook at this. [14] I am really disappointed with the way we have become so inconsistent with administration of policy. I have noted that policy is being translated willy nilly with little regard for what is normative. People are anti precedent, yet do not seem to see how if there is not some form of consistency in application of policy, people are not treated with equity. Anyways, not so sure I will bother with that RfC much any more. I am not convinced it is working well at the moment. Thanks for listening to my gripes. --Kukini hablame aqui 18:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorting autoblockThanks for that. TomGreen 13:40, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Stepping out for a bitRyno, I'm going out for a bit; keep an eye on this one and this one for me if you can, will you? A Traintalk 13:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Block of Jeffhardyfan*17Nice, you beat me to the block, lol! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Transparency in WikipediaUser;Ahwaz's violation of 3RR had nothing to do with BLP, and was the result of his edit-waring to place a notability tag on the article, since he's claiming the subject is not notable to have an article, eventhough the subject generates thousands of google hits in several languages, and User:Ahwaz's argument was refuted several times. Furthermore, User:Ahwaz has been blocked for 3RR, incivility, and sockpupetry 17 times by now, in less than a year. [15] Please note that User:Ahwaz was still edit-waring, even after he was explicitly told by an admin the last time he was blocked, that he was very close to being blocked indefinitely if he doesn't improve his behavior.[16]. I am afraid unblocking him, will only encourage him to continue on the disruptive path he's been on. Would you please, for the sake of transparency and accountability, reveal the name of the user who e-mailed you off wiki requesting an unblock for User:Ahwaz. I am asking this because there is extensive off-wiki lobbying going on, and it's important that such matters be discussed publicly and openly on Wiki to prevent any abuse. --Mardavich 18:15, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Watchlist add requestRyno, I'm going to you and Alison for a little back-up here. Damian Chapa is an article about an actor that is a source of constant vandalism that violates WP:BLP. The vandalism comes from a dynamic IP (or several?) and comes at a rate of once every few days. It's too infrequent to semi-protect the page, and it's been going on for many, many, many months. Even if s-protection was a viable short term option, the vandal is so persistent that it would not be tremendously useful in the long run. Do me a favor: add the article to your watch list and help me keep an eye on it. I've never seen a Damian Chapa movie (and judging from the filmography in the article, I doubt that I ever will) but I don't need to explain the dangers of running afoul of BLP to you. If you've got any better ideas, drop me a line. A Traintalk 20:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
JHI didn't check on the article in a few days and meanwhile this happened. —AldeBaer ?I didn't make any of the edits you showed in the diffs, I'm sure you could have checked that out for yourself. Not sure, exactly why this witch hunt still continues? I am not really going to take too much time with it, though. I have no reason to willing violate any policy, and I have shown myself to be a thoroughly reasonable person in my logic and discipline. JohnHistory 19:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC)JohnHistory Do you own the said source in question, or is kncyu38 just feeding you this garbage? He doesn't own it either, he reall doesn't even care about the article. I do own it, and it is propaganda. Do you disagree? I am trying to find a shcolarly debate or solution to this. Many of us have now agreed. I don't see how your contributing anything to the article, or the solution of this problem, in a positive way for Wikipedia. JohnHistory 19:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)JohnHistory I saw what you meant. In fact, I was trying to enforce the Wiki Jimbo Guideline policy, after waiting along time and I see nothing wrong about my edit, and alot right about it. Please tell me why its bad, as I own the source in question that I am talking about? Nothing is a violation about that diff at all. In fact it is the exact opposite. That quote shouldn't even be there at all under guidelines. However, if it is, then it needs to state the dubiousness of the source (which describes itself as propaganda). Unless of course you want to endorse propaganda on Wiki along with a select minortiy of others do, as in this case? The revert is actually very misleading as it stands. You should be talking to that person, not me. BTW, this subject was already concluded before succesfully. JohnHistory 20:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)JohnHistory Hey there Ryan, I was wondering if you could offer this user mentoring in your spare time? I can tell that his edits are made with completely good intentions, but he still makes a whole lot of mistakes, ranging from single unverified facts to completely mucking up the seventh generation consoles page based on a personal opinion. He definitely seems like he could be made into a fantastic editor, but for the time being, more often than not, it feels like a babysitting job has been added to my other editing duties. Also, I'm sorry if I should have taken this request elsewhere first, I've just heard that you're very skilled at solving this kind of problem and I could use your help. Thank you! Thores 07:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC) EdI came to the the conclusion round about February that Ed isn't trying to make constructive edits to the page, he is pursuing some weird agenda of his own that is apparently based on making Esperanza look as good as possible. I say this because the versions he has trying to insert always soften criticisms and somehow phrase like "nice idea" get turned into "excellent idea". He has wanted to replace the essay with at least three different versions for varying reasons, from "It looks better!" to "It needs to be neutral!" to "It doesn't fulfil the closing MfD comments!" Every time I talk to him he moves the goalposts, and frankly, I'm removing his comments from my talkpage because I'm sick of talking to him and it getting nowhere. I'm sick of taking the time to write him a half hour message and it just sliding off his back, sick of my every message apparently giving him attention that spurs him on to another excitable attempt to get more people involved that just don't care. Look at the number of compromises in Ed's subpage (btw, the name Dev920 v. Ed hardly exhibits the put-upon-oh-why-is-she-reverting-me-I-only-want-to-help attitude he is currently displaying to you, does it?). Where Ed's documents starts is only where it resumed after a month of Ed's apparent acquiescence to the version that everyone supported. It was only Quadzilla's edit that spurred him onto the the revert war he got into. This actually goes back to January 2, the day Esperanza was deactivated, when Ed added a extremely biased section about fostering the goals of Esperanza, which I removed. One may note that the version in that edit is the exact same one I have been trying so hard to maintain against Ed's onslaught. It is version accepted by virtually every editor to the main page, the version not in any way disputed whenever Ed goes over the Village Pump to drum up support, it is the most accurate and most accepted version of what happened to Esperanza. Ed's attempts to change it have only ever been met with "OMG, are you still arguing over this? Leave it alone." But Ed won't leave it alone, and I was not prepared to let him trample all over the consensus of the community. No, I'm not assuming good faith, how can someone assume good faith of a little boy who is edit warring over spellings? The additions I made was the only changes I made to Moreschi's version, and Ed seems incapable of accepting any edit I make (and I don't mean the reverts, I mean the edits to compromise suggestions by Steve Block, and by Moreschi). Ed inserted a semi-colon instead of a full stop, even though I had specifically made it a separate separate because a) it flows better and b) it emphasises on the fact that they did very little. This is important because it was a major factor in their being deleted, the first MfD had closed as no consensus only because they promised to reform themselves, and what they actually did was delete the most disapproved of pages and then get bogged down in proposals over governance. "nice" is similarly important, not only because it is a direct quotation from my nomination statement at the MfD, but because it carries a cutesy value that one applies to soft cuddly objects, which is the epitome of everything Esperanza stood for. That and a change in the common term for a member of Esperanza was what I changed about Ed's edit, for very good reasons as I have just explained to you. I left the rest. But I guess one has to ask why Ed made his changes, and why Ed wished to draw me into a discussion to discuss spellings. If he is as keen to end this dispute as he so oft claims, why is he still haggling? I acceptd Moreschi's version, as I did Steve Block's compromise, with a few small, but vital, changes in each case to ensure the meaning was not lost. One may notice this is exactly what I have done with all changes to the essay. When EWS23 added a paragraph I removed the proselytising, which I find important because the essay mustn't forget that Esperanza was shut down for a reason. I have tried to pursue that policy for a long time. Ed's first real attempt to change the essay was to remove the criticism section entirely, claiming it was giving undue weight to criticisms, which I think says much about his motivations. He appears to have forgotten that Esperanza was deactivated because of those very arguments. Unsurprisingly, I reverted him. It went back and forth for a few and the article got protected. Afterward Steve Block tried to write a compromise version that I accepted with a few changes and Ed wanted a few as well - we were thrashing it out on our talkpages when Elaragirl made her edit, and the compromise died. This is when Ed made his second attempt to fundamentally change the essay,which was exceptionally badly written, removed the criticism section again, and was generally awful, which was why I removed it. Ed claimed it was "a 2nd compromise" - compromise between what and what exactly? A compromise between my desire to keep the original version agreed upon by the community and his desire to remove all criticisms? The article was protected again. Convenient how Ed's compromises always change after article protections, because it changed again after that time. Again he called it a compromise, again I have to ask who and what he was compromising between. Note his arguments thus far have been "undue weight" and "compromise", up to about the end of March. Then he changed tack and started claiming the text was "biased" and shortly after that that it violated the MfD closure. It was protected again. At this point Ed suggested a "truce", and the main terms we agreed on was that the article would be unprotected, neither of us would edit it and I would provide proof that my version was supported by the community. But I was under a lot of pressure at the time, and as I have explained already, I am loathe to give Ed any more attention that I absolutely have to because it is a complete waste of my time. His constant version and excuse changing had convinced me he really wan't interested in any kind of reasoned argument. I think the best example of this is the Village Pump where he tried to drum up support for his version, and both I and Steve Block took the time to respond, as well as several other editors, but it became obvious Ed wasn't actually listening to any of what we were saying, instead, ludicrously, comparing the whole thing to a murder inquiry that he had to solve. You can read the entire discussion here. My reasoning for reverting him was thus: "Yes, we are. Why? Because these changes you suggest do not improve the essay. They attempt to skew it to talk about how marvellous Esperanza was and what a pity it was shut down. That you said "The essay would give the impression that helping the Wikipedian community is a bad thing." is very telling, as it says no such thing. It says that Esperanza is a bad thing: surely you have learnt by now that Esperanza != community? The community made it very clear where it stands on Esperanza, and the essay reflects that. It is you who insists that the essay needs to be unbiased - unbias does not equal equal weighting. Due weight is given to the feelings of the community, the community which DELETED Esperanza. They didn't say "Oh look, what a spiffing idea Esperanza is, I know, let's close it for fun.", they made strong and valid criticisms that are listed. Read your comments, you are chafing against the reverts themselves, not your edits that have been reverted. You don't have anything to say about WHAT changes you would like to introduce, just that we won't let you. And that, I think more than anything, demonstrated that you are just replyng now to wind everyone up than because you actually want to make meaningful, constructive edits. You just want to whitewash." So, you can see, I did explain to Ed exactly why I didn't like his version, but he didn't heed it. I announced I wasn't going to engage him anymore - this was the point when I stopped replying to his messages and removed them from my talkpage, as it became utterly clear to me that Ed just wasn't interested in dialogue. Steve also couldn't be bothered to talk to him anymore. After the truce broke down, which Ed laughably put down to cowardice rather than sheer mind numbing apathy, Moreschi proposed the version we see today. Ed didn't like it, edit warred over it and got blocked. I made a few small but vital changes, but left it at that. Ed made some changes, some of which I disagreed with, and have explained above, and reverted, and Ed is now making himself out to be some kind of martyr. It has been a wildly frustrating three months, as Ed appears to have only one aim in mind and that is to change the essay for the sake of changing it, and then revert warring whenever I point out that what he changed had been there for a very good reason. I have thus become convinced that he is doing it for base motives, whatever they are, and WP:AGF says I don't have to assume good faith where it would obviously be stupid to do so. I am sick of talking to him, and if he really wants to cease this dispute, he shouldn't be edit warring over three fucking spellings. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 09:15, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I would have to respectfully object to Dev's explanation of this edit war. Her arguements have had no substance the whole time! In fact, if you read my conflict log, Dev has never referred to any policies when providing any basis for her actions. I have repeatedly edited the essay, at some times introducing different wordings for it, for 3 reasons:
Every time Dev made it clear that she was not happy with my edits, I introduced a new wording of the paragraph in question. In fact, I even attempted a compromise for our edit conflict on User:Ed/Sandbox. In addition, I would present different reasons to edit the essay after it appeared to me that Dev has counter-argued against me quite well. (look at the list above) However, now that I look back on my link tables, it became clear to me that Dev has ’’never’’ any reasons based on policy to keep the essay in the version that she wants it to be kept at. Take a look at the tables and appendices on User:Ed/Dev920 v. Ed. None of her edits have presented evidence to support her arguments. For example:
It is clear that Dev is continuously reverting edits for the sake of reverting it to a version established 2 months ago in February. She is expressing ownership over the essay. This is a violation of WP:OWN. She has no policy-based reasons for keeping the essay the way it is. She has never responded to my arguements that the essay violates the MfD comments, nor has she even attempted to satisfy any opposition to her edits. Also, whenever another user introduces another change to the essay that Dev doesn’t agree with, she doesn’t bother to improve on it; she just reverts! I, however, have been implementing different compromise attempts. This is a violation of WP:DR#Avoidance: “Do not simply revert changes in a dispute.” Again, Dev’s actions clearly show that she has no interest in following dispute resolution policy. I have taken a few breaks from the essay per WP:DR#Second step: Disengage for a while. See notes 19 and 20. Obviously, the Wikibreaks for both of us didn’t work. Dev reverted the essay immediately after the unprotection without a policy-based edit summary. Eventually, Dev agreed on a truce that I proposed. (again, suggested by WP:DR. See Appendix D. She promised to fulfill the conditions of the truce, part of which were to provide evidence that the essay is supported by the community at large. However, after a full week passed, Dev has never presented a single shred of proof. This further proves Dev's ignorance towards the dispute resolution process. I, however, presented note 110 on Appendix C of my conflict log during the attempted truce. To this, Dev has also never responded. Even if we ignore WP:DR, WP:OWN, and WP:NPOV, the archives of WT:EA shows Dev's horribly anti-Esperanzian interests. Yes, I acknowledge that Esperanza became bad in the end; however, Dev is trying to send the message that spreading kindness to the Wikipedia community is a bad thing. My edits to the essay aim to show all future Wikipedians that spreading good cheer and kindness is a good thing. We need to emphasize this point. The underlying community is the only thing that keeps this encyclopedia alive and running. Dev has, again, stated an intent to refuse dispute resolution. I don't know what I'm going to do yet, but I'm no longer interested in a mediation with you as a mediator. I want completely unbiased mediation from people who had no interest in Wikipedia:Esperanza. I'll get back to you ASAP. --Ed ¿Cómo estás? 00:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Appreciate inputRyan, as a username expert, would you care to offer an opinion on this? RJASE1 Talk 18:36, 15 April 2007 (UTC) Hi, I protected the page seeing that edit warring had resumed and posted at WP:ANI about it. I now gather you have started to mediate this dispute- best of luck! Feel free to unprotect the page, but I suspect it may be best to take the temptation away from the participants... Your call. WjBscribe 15:05, 16 April 2007 (UTC) RevertThanks. :) Bubba hotep 18:28, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Pro!Yes you are! Even without the sig! Thanks for the star! NikoSilver 21:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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Mrr OoompapHe must have roaming ip's because he keeps creating accounts. I am watching account reation log and blockign em on site! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:33, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
←Nope, my sock drawer is getting full. {{sockblock|Mr oompapa}} is currently stored on my clipboard for quick paste action. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:06, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
SignatureHi there, just thought I'd point it out that you've got a great sig, really good colours like combining each other. Thanks - TellyaddictTalk 16:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the supportAh, darn. Looks like my RFA didn't succeed. No doubt I'll take another run at it in a few months when my edit count isn't such an issue. Thanks for the vote of confidence. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ Yell ○ 02:59, 18 April 2007 (UTC) And to you, too.I respectfully disagree with your characterization. If you feel the need to provide support for A Train, do so on the discussion at his Talk page. I have no interest whatsoever in my Talk page being overrun by typical Wikipedia posturing, and have already made my stance on his comments crystal clear. Italiavivi 22:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
hey thereHi Ryan, I've seen you gain experience on WP with pride. I was here when you joined and I remember bumping into you several times during RC patrolling. Although, since now you're an admin and meet a lot of people, you might not remember me :P Just wanted to say you're doing a fantastic job, and WP needs more editors like you :) Regards, xC | ☎ 12:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Just an FYIPer your warning of Embargo (talk · contribs), He didn't violate 3RR. Don't get me wrong... he deserved his block, but you might want to be careful about warning editors about 3RR in their userspace.--Isotope23 17:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, he's removed my comment from his talk page (something that he seems to be in the habit of doing; note that he's been blocked before for 3RR but likes to whitewash his talk page of any criticism). He continually twists my comments around: in a discussion, suggest that the word "massacre" is sensationalist and fraught with emotion, which he then re-interprets as me calling him names. Oh well. He doesn't seem to be interested in any sort of civil discourse, and I can't imagine that he'll go far here with his attitude, so I suggest that we just leave him alone. A Traintalk 18:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC) TeckWiz's RFAHey Ryan Postlethwaite. Thanks for supporting my unsuccessful RFA this week. I hope to keep helping and improving Wikipedia alongside you. Thanks for your kind rant on me. By the way, someone else got a rename :)-> --TeckWiz is now R ParlateContribs@(Lets go Yankees!) 21:41, 18 April 2007 (UTC) My RfA
Thank you for your help on my RfA. I appreciate the constructive comments. Although I realize that my RfA was pre-mature, I was impressed at the kindness of the wikipedia community. Happy editing, and thanks again for your help! --Trumpetband 22:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Don't worry about it...the mediation can wait! I'll get together a proposal tonight if I have time. My priorities right now do not include Wikipedia due to my school stuff, but I'll see what I can do. Cheers!--Ed ¿Cómo estás? 23:25, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Daniel Brandt's talkYou've got mail. // Sean William 00:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks so much for taking the time to comment on my my RfA, which was successful. I learned a lot from the comments, I appreciate everything that was said, and I'll do my best to deserve the community's trust. Thanks again! And thanks for your kind words and support. --Shirahadasha 05:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC) HelloHey, is there anything you want me to do? Also, you said you had some ideas about my signature. Just wondering. --Trumpetband 20:37, 20 April 2007 (UTC) Oops! I just applied semi per request on WP:RPP at exactly the same time as you did!!! Sorry! Shall I revert to your time? - Alison☺ 22:14, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
BarnstarThank you for giving me my first barn star! :DWolfmankurd 22:18, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Catch upHey Ryan; I know you're under-active at the moment, so I won't be upset if you don't reply ;) just stopping by to see how things are? anthony[review] 23:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC) adoption helpHey Ryan! I need your advice: I adopted Tedejomadrid this month after sending a welcome message. I've been checking his contribs, and you can see that he hasn't been editing too often. He did tell me that he's been busy lately, but do his contribs show that he's not a fully dedicated editor yet? Should I prod him into editing, or should I just be patient and see how things turn out? BTW I am working on my proposal, but I think I'd like to hear your comments on the matter before I proceed to make more serious changes. You can see what I'm doing on User:Ed/Sandbox. --Ed ¿Cómo estás? 02:47, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
(sigh) Tell me about it...my English teacher assigned us a new paper today. Now I have another paper to work on. Don't worry about it; we all have many things to do now that the end of the year approaches in about 4 weeks. As you can probably tell, I'm taking much more time off WP for school.--Ed ¿Cómo estás? 01:08, 24 April 2007 (UTC) Question from RfACould you please help me by elaborating on what Wikipedia pages I can help on? There doesn't seem much to edit to / discuss. Thanks, microchip08 10:10, 24 April 2007 (UTC) Creating article about helicopter pilots.I would but the problem is I know very little, very VERY little about helicopter pilots, that's why I was looking. Thanks for the help. TheBlazikenMaster 12:04, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
My RfAHello Ryan Postlethwaite, thank you for supporting my RfA! Hi, I was wondering if you could block 84.13.241.233, he was impersonating an admin, vandalising pages and then made a personal attack on my user talk page against me, cheers! Tellyaddict 16:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Re: QuestionHey there - thank you very much for the offer. A couple of other users have asked me about it too and I would certainly be interested in it. I am quite busy over the next few days, but I will put some serious thought into whether I think now would be an appropriate time to run for it and get back to you. Thanks again. On the subject of RFCN, I think that your suggestion is a novel approach that would, in my mind, certainly be worth trying out. Regards. Will (aka Wimt) 23:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
re: Userpage deletionYou requested that your userpage be deleted, so I have gone ahead and deleted, if you need anything restoring, let me know. Ryan Postlethwaite 13:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
re:yeager bothello! The "bot" does not have approval, as it is an assisted bot which i manually approve its posts. this has been an accepted way to use a bot without approval. I am not trying to message every single person on wiki, just merely attempting to bring the new users a nice welcome and some guidance. Matthew Yeager 00:47, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
When seeking approval on Requests for approvals, please state the following: 1. Whether the bot is manually assisted (run by a human) or automatically scheduled to run 2. The period, if any, we should expect it to run 3. What language or program it is running 4. Its purpose According to this, it needs to be approve even though it is manually assisted. And: 1. Sysops should block bots, without hesitation, if they are unapproved, doing something the operator did not say they would do, messing up articles, editing too rapidly, or running anonymously. A bot operator is encouraged, but not required, to post their IP address on their bot's user page so that the owner of an anonymously running bot can be found. Unfortunately, I think the bot needs to be blocked until it goes through request for approval. Sorry! Wǐkǐɧérṃǐť(Talk) 01:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
* Assisted bots don't necessarily need bot approval, though some software has built in approval detection, doesnt this state otherwise ? its on the WP:BOT page. let me know what you think, i dont want to be in the wrong on this. My bot does is assisted and then doesnt need approval, right ? Matthew Yeager 01:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC) Just to let you know: after discussing the issue on ANI here, M. Yeager agreed to halt the bot until getting feedback on it. I unblocked the bot account as a courtesy to him, since you seem to be gone for the night. CMummert · talk 04:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC) ESP MediationHey! I do have my proposal ready in my head; I haven't made any major changes to the "official" proposal on the sandbox. Before I keep on trying to implement more changes, I would like to hear your opinions on the topics being discussed on the mediation page, especially about the community. I would also like to hear your opinion about the MfD closing comments. Now that the discussion took place 4 months ago, we really can't interpret the closing comments as well as we should. After reviewing Mailer diablo's statement for another time, I'm beginning to question the meaning behind his message, rather than read it literally. Should we add comments about criticism? I would appreciate your input, however. In addition, I do apologize if my comments on the Mediation did insult Dev. If you read my response, you can see that the main idea of my statement was that a community will only be formed through the right conditions, etc. I then acknowledged the fact that Dev and I will always have contrasting viewpoints, and at that moment I brought up the contrast existing between our sexual orientations. I don't intend to bring an already occuring religious debate to this mediation, but I hope that Dev will understand the true meaning behind my statements.--Ed ¿Cómo estás? 00:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC) IdeaYou know, we could go one better than just us two. Why don't we try and organise a Manchester Wiki-meetup? That'd be fun. --Deskana (fry that thing!) 13:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you!Thank you so much for the barnstar, Ryan. I was feeling bad for my mistake and you brought some tranquility to my mind. My real life issues are about to end as I'm moving to a new place this weekend and I'm leaving all the problems behind. Thank you for caring. Best regards, Húsönd 23:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
IP userRyan, your e-mail to me has crossed with mine to you. I may need to apologise for mine.--Anthony.bradbury 23:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
...dont be so nice...I'm a vandal. You're supposed to yell at me. - \ASOCKPPPET
Inbox AlertYou have email ~ Anthony 19:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
RFC Kelly Martin: numbers and spacesHi, Ryan. You do in fact need to move your Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Kelly Martin 2 to number 4, as there have been three previous ones. The reason your page was blank when you created it is that the real number 2, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Kelly Martin2, doesn't have a space before the 2. The real number 3, on the other hand, does: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Kelly Martin 3. Confusing system? You said it. Bishonen | talk 20:01, 28 April 2007 (UTC).
Kelly Martins RfCHi, I've left some comments on Kelly Martins request for comment, this users recent behaviour appears to be outrageous and highly incivil, anyway I wont bore you, feel free to read it if you wish. Thanks! Tellyaddict 20:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC) 72.205.44.185Thanks for the block. -- Ben 20:55, 28 April 2007 (UTC) Why is the above mentioned tagged for deletion??--Cometstyles 21:33, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry..Already did and gave my View..Thanks..--Cometstyles 21:46, 28 April 2007 (UTC) ThanksThanks for the email, i have taken a few minutes to add an outside view and certify it. My wiki time will be really splotchy as I am in the process of moving, preparing for grad school, and several other things. Thank you very much for supporting me here it is really appreciated. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 03:48, 29 April 2007 (UTC) RFA ProdHi Ryan, I have to say I really like the idea of the RFA prod mentioned on WT:RFA, I know it's Gaillimh's idea but you look like you've taken it on board. You mentioned you had a guinea pig for this but if you need another one I'll be willing to help out. And I would have no problems running a normal RFA in parallel or afterwards. Let me know if I can help out. Khukri 15:18, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Ryan I am quite certain that I fully blocked this user's page, and the logs support this statement. Is there a bug somewhere?--Anthony.bradbury 23:46, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
WikiProjectI'm guessing you don't know about this, because if you did, I would think you would be a member of it. I found it in Alison's categories: This. --TeckWiz is now R ParlateContribs@(Let's go Yankees!) 05:14, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Welcome and the darksideThanks for the welcome, it is much appreciated. All of the hard work you did as part of the RFC and everything is very much appreciated. I know ther is an essay out there somewhere about the value of defending your fellow wikipedians, and you hvae done that admirably. For the life of me, I cannot find the link so you have my apologies for that. Thanks again! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:00, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the revertThanks for the cleanup of the vandalism on my userpage, I wouldn't have seen it while I was offline. Nihiltres(t.c.s) 16:46, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Ditto. Thanks a lot for reverting the vandalism on my talk page! Cheers. Will (aka Wimt) 16:56, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for blocking trollThanks for blocking the apprentice troll just now. I suspect he'll be back just as soon as he can and earning himself a longer block. Nunquam Dormio 17:10, 30 April 2007 (UTC) RfAI hate to use phrases used ad nauseum in the past, but I really did think you were an admin. Are you quite sure you're not? I will certainly support you, and if this position has not been taken , I would be thrilled to support you. Please let me know ASAP.--Anthony.bradbury 00:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Ryan, I am fully aware that there is a great deal of ongoing discussion about the whole RfA subject, and I am presently in e-mail contact with User:Durin on this topic. We agree that RfA is broken, and needs repairing. But. If a new user puts your template on his user page, and no-one notices it, are you happy for him to be sysopped? Or, assuming that you are not, what control do you propose on this? Just this week a new user, whose name I will not divulge (except by e-mail, if you ask) put himself up for RfA with a total edit count of 142. OK, he might well have been spotted. But if not?--Anthony.bradbury 12:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC) RfARyan There is a vast amount of ongoing discussion on this topic, and there seems to be an assumption that a simple vote is intrinsically bad. But in reality, is a vote from the community actually a bad way to choose admins?--Anthony.bradbury 12:42, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
AldeBaer/Kncyu38Kncyu38 has changed his name to AldeBaer and is herassing me again. He has reverted the MvR page, against consensus and Jimbo guidelines when no one active there, to include again the prejudiced propaganda that calls me a pagan, etc. Not to mention it violates the undue weight and tiny minority jimbo guidlines as only 2 self proclaimed propaganda books, with sinlge sentences devoted to MvR, make such crack pot claims. I find this driven desire to include prejudiced propaganda as the sole source (or at all really) to be a serious violation of Wiki. what can I do to stop this once and for all? He is trying to get me banned too. Thanks. JohnHistory 14:49, 1 May 2007 (UTC)johnHistory
adjusting end times in RfANot that it matters much, but I'm just curious: why did you change the end time of my RfA from 02:43 to 02:46? As you can see here, I saved the full form at 02:43. Errabee 15:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
BTW, I couldn't help but notice your name. Are you by any chance related to Pete Postlethwaite? Sorry if you get asked that once too many times. Feel free to not answer this. Errabee 16:54, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Your RfAHi, I know this is (very!) late but I thought I'd tell you that user:Aquasplash who supported you on your RfA was me, I had abandoned this account after the comments at my second RfA which I reconsidered the next day after realising it was stupid, I'd left this account so I wasn't violating WP:SOCK as I didnt vote as Tellyaddict as well, just thought I'd give you a heads up.Tellyaddict 18:10, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
RE: Your report on WP:RFCNOh, uh, I forgot to mention that I already took it to administrators noticeboard, and they told me to take it to you guys. So...? -- Reaper X 18:36, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
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