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The image says it has a copyright, in the lower left corner, so I would prefer the one up for FP. Also, the one at FPC is over 1000 pixels, while this one was 850. You should ask Garion96 about the copyright, since he's an expert on that, and I'm not. :-) · AOTalk10:17, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Importance ratings
Hi Readro. Just a quick comment on the importance rating that you have been assigning to some F1-related topics. I can't help feeling that you are over doing it a bit. The Top rating, according to the assessment page, is reserved for those articles that are extremely important, even crucial, to its specific field. As we are assessing through the WP Motorsport system, this field and frame of reference is all of motorsport, not just F1. You could quite easily have a long discussion on motorsport and never mention John Surtees for example, so he can't possibly qualify for Top billing. In fact you probably could do so without mentioning luminaries such as Ayrton Senna or Michael Scumacher, although these would be more notable. As far as I can see, Top should be reserved for those subjects on which even a disinterested passer by in the street would be able to comment on. Pyrope20:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey. Both good points I grant you. But thinking in terms of encyclopedic priority (which is what the ratings are for, not simply about how famous a topic is) I would personally argue that no driver of rider, or indeed driver/rider, should qualify for Top rating. Think about it in terms of a conversation with somebody who has absolutely zero prior knowlege:
You: I've just read a fascinating article about Ayrton Senna.
Them: Who?
Y: He was an amazing Formula One driver, won the Championship loads of times, and was quite a colourful and controversial character.
T: What's Formula One?
Y: Its the top form of four-wheeled motorsport.
So you can't talk about Senna to an uninitiated person without referring to F1 or Motorsport, but you can certainly talk about motorsport without needing to refer to Senna. And in Surtees' case you need to talk about both F1 and MotoGP, both of which would have priority over the man himself. Once in a while a driver/rider will make headlines (Schumi, Senna, Rossi etc) and so will possibly qualify for Top rating as a newsworthy personality, but the vast majority of the meat puppets at the wheel/handlebar are "only notable within its particular field or subject and has achieved notability in a particular place or area", in that someone outside MotoGP probably wouldn't care about Loris Capirossi etc etc. That would make them Mid rated. People who have won championships would probably move up to High priority, as they are "extremely notable, but has not achieved international notability, or is only notable within a particular continent". I personally think that this is poorly worded, and the last word should read "context", which would make more sense. Hence, someone with international notability, but only as an F1 driver, would fit this field. After all, somone may be known internationally, and still be insignificant to the topic. If you argue that being known over a number of continents puts you in the Top/High priority brackets, then I'm afraid that almost every World Championship driver and rider, even those with only brief careers, will have to go in there, making a mockery of the rating system.
I still stand by my assessment that Top should be reserved for those articles that are crucial to the understanding of the broad "motorsport" topic, and for luminaries as mentioned above. I agree that there is a case for Surtees, but I just feel that his achievements (team owner, car designer and race promotor too, don't forget...) are too far in the past to be relevant to a discussion of motorsport as it currently is. This is the criteria that I would argue also excludes Moss and even the sainted Fangio from Top ratings, much as it pains a classic motorsport fan to type such heresey.
Hi,
A few days ago over on the Motorsport talk page you suggested a revised template we should use. I then put in a consensus so people could say whether they like/dislike the template. Unfortunately, only three people have put there opinions. What should we do about it? Should we wait a few more days, or what? Sorry to bother you. Davnel0315:47, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Readro, am I just being ignored or something. It's like the template is no longer a matter. I set up a consensus, three people have responded, yet you've done nothing to the template. I'm really getting annoyed. Davnel0316:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I've left a note on the talkpages of the people that were involved in the discussion. Hopefully we'll come to a consensus now. Thanks. Davnel0316:16, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Aviation Newsletter delivery
The March 2007 issue of the Aviation WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. TrevorMacInnis (Contribs) 17:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Readro. I just uploaded the above page, and I was was wondering whether you would take a look please? I'm sure that there are details that I have missed and some that might be incorrect, and I'd appreciate your comments on the page as a whole. Also, I have had no luck in tracking down any free-use images, and I was hoping that you might have a few tucked away in your stash that you might be prepared to use? Anyway, if you have time that would be great. Thanks! Pyrope11:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for taking a look. I picked up on the fact that you seem to be into the older end of our sport, so I thought you would be a good pair of eyes to take a look. You know how it gets when you have been spending four or five days collating data and putting an article together, can't see the flaws for the whirling letters in front of your eyes. I do get paid for this, right? :-) Pyrope22:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello, Readro. I'm not sure that I agree with your addition of opt-out code for the "drivers" and "teams" fields in the above infobox. While it won't change the box's appearance per se, it may encourage editors to be a bit lazy in their research and leave that data out (and it is readily available data). This is key data, even for defunct championships, because it gives a good impression of how successful (or not) that series is/was. That's why I left them as mandatory fields when I created that template. Of course, if you have in mind a series for which this data is not available, then having the option makes total sense. In which case, I'll add some more info to the usage instructions on its talk page. It's not a big deal or anything; I just wanted to seek your thoughts about it. Regards, AdrianM. H.17:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
No, don't worry about reverting it or anything. I'd be surprised if we couldn't find, or work out, the necessary totals from somewhere, but if that info is really not available, then it's probably better to have no fields than "N/A", but I'll leave that to personal choice. Engines and chassis would still be relevant, because (as it does with other series) it will serve to indicate variety. For example, there might have been a number of identical customer chassis (like March or something) and a bunch of DFVs, or lost of variety. Let me know if I can help in any way. Thanks for the reply. Regards, AdrianM. H.17:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Readro. Good to hear about the source - good ones are like gold dust. I think that we might as well keep those fields optional, and I'll add some better instructions/examples to that all the motorsport templates. P.S. Did you know that the edit section links on your talk page seem to be out of sync? The link for this section revealed a blank edit window and I had to click the one above it. Very odd! Regards, AdrianM. H.16:59, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Pickup Truck Racing
Hey there, thanks for the help with the Pickup page! We have our first race this weekend, so I've asked some of the track photographers for some copyright free/copyright controlled driver photographs to replace the publicity shots currently on the page.
No worries, thanks for the input, I'd rather the page be 'right' and I can see where you are going.
I wouldn't be concerned with the technical specs section; yes they are lifted (and modified) from the website but after a conversation with SHP Motorsport (the site's owners) earlier today they are happy for me to use content from the site, including the driver pictures. The website obvously does not have details of this as it was a conversation I had directly with them; how do you suggest I approach this with regards tagging the images? Can I just leave them with the current promotional copyright tag (which is correct) and add a line stating the source and image owner is SHP Motorsport?
Thanks for the link re. images copyrights. I've emailed the owners of the images so with a bit of luck I'll get a reply soon, and I can forward this on to Wikipedia as directed
The page is looking good; a lot better than it did before :D
Mathematics CotW
Hey Readro, I am writing you to let you know that the Mathematics Collaboration of the week(soon to "of the month") is getting an overhaul of sorts and I would encourage you to participate in whatever way you can, i.e. nominate an article, contribute to an article, or sign up to be part of the project. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks--Cronholm14400:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Davnel03/Neldav/Daviiid
Hmmm...
F1, MotoGP and wrestling preferences... CHECK
Arsenal supporter. CHECK
Most recent edits along the lines of "JS: fixing MoS and other miscellaneous style problems..." CHECK
Lazy automated "peer review" contributions. CHECK
Laughable, self-justifying attempt to build a "newbie" persona on WP:F1 page. CHECK
Most au fait newbie in the world, ever (automated peer review, complex formatting, right up to speed with jargon) CHECK
Blatant old user, passing himself off as a newbie. However, I have a feeling that he is best warned that we know who he is and that we'll be keeping an eye on him, rather than a knee-jerk ban. Most of his recent edits have been of the tedious, stamp-collecting, procedural type, which is quite useful to have someone doing. The problem will come if he starts getting abusive again, or starts to try and throw his weight around. In particular, it would be worth watching out for when his inevitable, lazy, glory-seeking, thoughtless edits end up creating more work for others than he is acually doing. He is clearly a user with an overdeveloped sense of his own abilities and worth and will need to be watched. Perhaps some apology for his previous behaviour and an obvious appreciation of just how antisocial his edits were might go some way to avoiding a straight ban? Anyway, I'll leave the ball in your court. If you think a ban is the best way forward then you have my full support on the sockpuppet justification. Pyrope19:12, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Fair comments all. Like I said above, he got on my wick because of poor editing, I was never on the receiving end of his arrogant, abusive rants. The irritating thing is that he is 90% reasonable, and 10% arrogant pillock. Unfortunately that pillock component is pretty overowering some times. Like I said above, if you feel that banning is the way forward then I'll back your reasoning. Pyrope20:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Readro, I'm not going to get into a hole that I can't get myself out of, so I might just as well admit that I am the same person as Davnel03 and Neldav. I admit, I do become a bit of an idiot some of the time, but, do I go around, blanking articles, annoying other users, creating up to 200 other accounts? No, I don't. With Davnel03, I found myself blocked because of several image problems, Neldav I got blocked because you reported me to Yamla. With my Neldav account, is there any bad contributions, and is there any bad contributions in my currentaccount? No. I've also noticed you've reported me again to Yamla. Seems like I'll get blocked again. Daviiid20:41, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Keep it in mind that if you block my Daviiid, I will totally fuck up your shitty website with these other accounts that I have. Don't test me you fucking prats. Landev06:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Hope no one minds my contribution to this discussion but is there any need to start threatening other people? Not only that but surely calling someone's website "shitty" and calling both Readro and Pyrope "fucking prats" goes against WP:NPA, doesn't it? --PhilltalkEdits14:16, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
As we all seem to be discussing here (sorry Readro!), just a note that both Daviiid and Landev have been blocked. Bearing in mind the number of pages that are on at least one of our watchlists, and the number of bots that can detect and revert a lot of blatant vandalism, I doubt he will be able to make good his threat to "totally fuck up [this] shitty website" and so if he's reading this, may I suggest you don't waste your time trying Davnel. AlexJ16:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Oh F***, they have returned his editing privilages. Now we have to do this all over again. I can only assume that this Spartaz character is a personal friend, or an idiot. Pyrope09:43, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
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Hi. I lodged the above official complaint. For it to stand it needs that at least two people have tried to resolve this so far (to date that is me and you) and that both endorse the above page. Please could you sign below my name on this page (if you agree that is) and feel free to make any adjustment to the wording I laid out as you see fit. I know that this might seem heavy handed, but from what I can see it may be the only way of getting Davnel's block reinstated. Pyrope19:22, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Oops, well spotted! I've been writing a thesis for the last couple of months... sorta lost track of the months, and time, and whether it is day or night! Cheers. Pyrope19:39, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Lorenzo Bandini Trophy
Hi Readro. It appears as though you were the one who added the Lorenzo Bandini succession boxes to the relevant articles. Do you know if there's a complete list of the winners online anywhere? Failing that, I have a couple of questions for you:
Was the trophy awarded in 1993 and 1994? The Wikipedia sequence goes straight from Capelli in 1992 to Coulthard in 1995.
Did de Montezemolo really win in 1997? He hardly strikes me as a suitable candidate for "most promising young driver in F1" !
Thank you for your excellent work in fixing up the colour of the speedway images – they look wonderful now. All the best. Figaro22:33, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
WATN references
Hi Readro. Good work on adding those WATN references to all those F1 driver articles. I notice that where necessary, you've been adding References sections containing:
I figured out that the article was indeed a how to but I completely forgot to change it as I am a BSc student in software engineering and am very busy. But the Terms of Turbulent Air as well as Slipstream are accurate. Its physics as well as common sense if you apply your mind to it. Even notice the article on slipstream it gives the same concept. Just exactly where do you say the article is wrong anyway just to be clear? I am a karting driver so I know the ins and outs of overtaking in corners.
1925-1927 World Championship for Constructors
Hi, I've been scanning through several websites with information and results of 1925-1927 Grand Prix results. Or, to be more precise, those races that counted towards the World Championship for Constructors. Would you be interested in adding 1925 through 1927 seasons' and race results' pages? Lustigson14:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I just uploaded a couple of large pages that I was working on for a while and dropped in on the off chance, I still don't intend to get involved in the general project guff (see the "2011 season" cruft discussion currently ongoing). Sorry that my first contribution was to contradict what I now see were mainly your actions! Pyrope11:51, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
speedies
I've declined to delete Gary wilson parr as a speedy, because the article asserts his importance as a director of a major company. Please check WP:CSD-- speedy a7 can only be used if there is not even a claim to importance. If there is a claim and you think it inadequate, then the procedures to use are WP:PROD if you think it might not be defended, or else WP:AFD. DGG (talk) 20:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Wishing you and yours the very best of the holiday season. May the coming year bring you peace, joy, health and happiness. God bless us, every one! Davnel0315:20, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
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The 2008 Formula One season is underway tonight. A sense of a new term starts in Melbourne's pit lane and the practices start at 11:00pm (GMT) tonight (13th March) and will show all of the rivalries we will be seeing during the season. With three contenders for the title, Kimi won't have it easy with Lewis, Fernando and the other drivers hot in pursuit! Enjoy the special issue!LB22(talk to me!)Email me! 20
LB22 (talk·contribs): I think Hamilton or Kimi will win the title and BMW will win a race or two
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Chubbennaitor (talk·contribs): Hamilton or a suprising Jenson Button. Kovalainen's in with a chance of the title too. After the start of the season Ferrari most likely won't win.
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Hi. I noticed your userpage mentions you have a basic understanding of German, can you check if I've understood "Bruynseraede, in den Ardennen geboren, aufgewachsen in Deutschland," correctly as Bruynserade was born in the Ardennes and grew up in Germany. I ran it past Google's machine translater which translates it as "was born and grew up in Germany"!? Thanks, AlexJ (talk) 18:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
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Hello, Readro. I noticed the map of Mondello Park you created. Did you copy it from the track's website? If so, how? And could you create a map of Portland International Raceway? Fclass (talk) 16:18, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Can you please put the map of Portland International Raceway in the Portland International Raceway article? Pretty please? Fclass (talk) 17:24, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
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The first flyaway stages of the 2008 season have come to a close with Bahrain, where Felipe Massa, Rubens Barrichello, Jarno Trulli and Giancarlo Fisichella drove storming races to 1st, 11th, 6th and 12th respectively. Robert Kubica also looked impressive (especially during qualifying), and looks for BMW Sauber to be in championship contention. The unfortunate Lewis Hamilton finished in 13th, losing the championship lead to Kimi Räikkönen. Jenson Button (who retired) had a race to forget after a qualifying session to remember. Then most of the cars got updated and the teams tested their first 2009-spec cars in tests at the Circuit de Catalunya. In a probable look into the future of Formula One design, Renault used RBR's idea of a 'shark fin' on the airbox and the teams looking into the 2009 regulations, including the planned introduction of slick tyres. Honda tried a 'dumbo wing' on the car's nosecone and every other team tried to improve. Super Aguri lost their deal with the Magma Group after the planned buyout last month fell through, but did make it to the Spanish GP; SA's future is in the air again and still looking poor. The Spanish GP got underway with the hope that the adaptions will give new teams chances to win or get in the points. Fernando Alonso starred in qualifying by setting a provisional pole position time just before Kimi Räikkönen took it away by 0.091s.Toyota have made a jump from their slot at 11th-12th on the grid to clear points positions.McLaren didn't have a nice time with fifth and sixth places, in addition to David Coulthard who could only manage 17th after having a bad last lap. The Circuit de Catalunya saw Kimi Räikkönen take the glory with Felipe Massa and Lewis Hamilton finishing in second and third places respectively. Jenson Button, Fernando Alonso and Giancarlo Fisichella all drove one of their most best races, with Kazuki Nakajima also showing that he and WilliamsF1 are worth their stay in Formula One. Heikki Kovalainen had a nasty crash, causing a prolonged Safety Car period. He was rushed to hospital for checks; thankfully he was announced to have no serious injuries. Toro Rosso had a race to forget after both their cars were crashed out by other drivers. At the start of the season the FIA threatened the cancellation of the Spanish and European GPs if racism continued in Spain after after hearing of the racial abuse directed at McLaren's Lewis Hamilton while he was testing the MP4-23 at Barcelona during Winter testing. However, this was considered 'stupid' and has not happened due to the Spanish GP is completed and the European GP sold out.'Chubbennaitor, Sage J Callahan, Diniz(talk), Barkjon , Motofan
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Ayrton Senna (da Silva) is most known for his push to win, much the same as Gilles Villeneuve. Senna is a three time Formula One Champion, winning in 1988, 1990, and 1991. Many people have compared Senna to Juan Manuel Fangio, who is known as "The Master" of Formula One. Senna is a Brazilian, and raced for Toleman, Lotus, McLaren, and Williams. Statistically, he is among the greatest ever, with 41 wins and 65 pole positions. His then-record of 65 pole positions was broken by Michael Schumacher in the 2006 San Marino Grand Prix. His rivalry with Alain Prost is among the most legendary in Formula One, going as far as Senna colliding with Prost in the first turn of Suzuka in 1990, giving Senna the title. Tragically, Senna died during the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix when his Williams left the track at high speed, hitting the concrete retaining wall at around 135 mph. No driver since has been killed while driving a Formula One car. His skill in wet weather and bad conditions has made him stand out among other drivers. Where most people would choose to drive conservatively, to avoid causing a crash, Senna would still push his hardest. Following the death of Senna (and Roland Ratzenberger), many safety improvements have been made. What could possibly be better than his on-the-track skills was what he did off the track. His character and attitude has made him a legend among F1 fans.
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Hi, I noticed you undid my edit on the F1 2008 page, with the links in the grand prix table going straight to the report section of the respective race. I think this is correct because the link says "Report", and it should be directed to the "report" section of the page. Cadan ap Tomos (talk) 20:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Max
Good spot, how can you tell the difference? I thought it was quite a good likeness; both are sad dictators clinging on to power long after they have out stayed there welcome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.173.86.208 (talk) 18:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
