User talk:Politis/Archive 2

Voithia... ( peri tou xarti prokeite... koita )

Edw (peri tou xarti prokeite...) kai kane epanafora ean to xana epanaferi, ego den mporo nato epanaferw distixws!!! --Asteraki 21:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanx for the language atitude

OK, about the map.Regarding some the map shows only RoM in Macedonia(region), to others is offensive (to you to), but as you said we are here to inform. The map is in Republic of Macedonia article, there is also a map in Macedonia region article that shows the states borders and the region. I think that the map should stay.  ? --Vlatko 13:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category Deletion

Please visit [1] and weigh in!  NikoSilver  ^(T) @ (C) 18:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Θα πας στο μαγαζί? (κοίτα την απάντησή μου στο σχόλιό σου στη σελίδα μου)...  NikoSilver  ^(T) @ (C) 01:12, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ρε συ θα πάς στο μαγαζί τελικά?? Οι υπογραφές σου είναι εδώ!  NikoSilver  ^(T) @ (C) 12:42, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Xa, den epilegeis kamia monoxrwmh kalytera?  NikoSilver  ^(T) @ (C) 13:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

stan lazaridis

That does not say anything,its normal they will say he is greek, you have to understand that in greece there was and still is a large macedonian community, the greek government is denying that and calls them simply Greeks.

the thing with greek and greek australian teams trying to get him, says nothing too, cause he played for several Macedonian-australian soccer teams even before the greeks ever had heared of him. nobody seems to answer my questions, 1-if he was greek, (greeks are known to be very nationalistic just like any other balkan nation) then why would he play for Macedonian football clubs?? Why would he wear a shirt with the macedonian vergina flag (yellow on red, not gold on blue) on it???? 2-If he was Greek than why would he Speak Macedonian (slavic, as you call it) to his parents???

the email i got from the president of macedonian football club Stirling Lions and the fact that he played for Macedonian clubs, and that his family comes from Voden (wich still untill today has a significant macedonian community) are so far the best sources! i am please asking you to give me a break here, he is a Macedonian from the region wich today belongs to Greece. --Makedonia 18:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

u said: "As for playing both for Australian Greek and Slav Macedonian teams, a person can feel both Greek and Slav Macedonian - in fact, many do and some have suffered at the hands of Slav Macedonian extremists (and vice versa, of course)."

Thats why, this version of GR MANOS is the best, i will accept it and please you should to, and let us end our battles on Stan Lazaridis.--Makedonia 19:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

POLL

No, no, no, not what you think! This time is for something that all of us need:

Improvement of the <ref> function.

Please weigh in at Wikipedia talk:Footnotes#Poll!  NikoSilver  ^(T) @ (C) 21:56, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Arvanites (again??!!!)

Hi Politis, thanks for your input at Talk:Arvanites, but I'm afraid your thread with Albanau and Telex has only served to confuse matters further. You were talking as if there was a proposal to characterise the Arvanites as an "Albanian minority". No-one said such a thing, not even Albanau, that's a red herring. I'm considering removing the whole two threads at the bottom, as troll bait, so we can all get back to working on the real issues. Would you mind a lot? Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Geia. Exo mia apli erotisi. Nomizeis oti oi Arbanites itan Ellines; Eav i apantisi sou einai "nai" tote apantise auto to munhma. Exo simantikes plirofories pou mporoun na se voithisoun. Eav i apantisi omos einai "oxi" tote agnohse auto to munhma. Avtio. Deucalionite 15:09, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

202.74.160.138 (talk · contribs)

When it is an obvious case of continuous Wikipedia:Vandalism and a block is needed, one can take it to WP:AIV. Sorry I wasn't around to help. Jkelly 16:25, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Margaritis calling

Thanks for your comments Politis, Kali Mera apo Londhino, kai ego eime edho, ine poli zesti simera exo edho. I've added in the meanwhile my response. Greetings from SW1 and come over if you wish to User_talk:Apostolos_Margaritis#Vlachs_who_petitioned_the_Sultan_that_Thessaly_should_not_become_a_part_of_Greece for more guaranteed controversy and uninhibited talk about Vlachs and Greek things. Apostolos Margaritis 09:24, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That impersonator-sockpuppet

Hi Politis, what's your thoughts about that new sockpuppet of Erdogan Cevher, NikosPolitis (talk · contribs)? You think he's trying to impersonate you? I reported him yesterday at WP:ANI, but no admin has yet taken action on him. If you feel bothered by the guy, you might add something there, I think cases like that get indef-blocked routinely. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for pointing it out. I am convinced that NikosPolitis (talk · contribs) is a sockpuppet using (abusing?) the name of two bonafide contributors - one of them being myself. I would be greatful if administrators considered blocking this suspected sockpuppet. Politis 11:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reported at ANI again and at WP:RFCU. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:25, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, if that other "bonafide contributor" is implied to be me, then I seriously object the insulting characterisation! :NikoSilver: 13:07, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Istoriya Slavyanobolgarskaya

Hi! I saw you've added the text of Istoriya Slavyanobolgarskaya to Talk:Saint Paisius of Hilendar. Now, the book itself is in the public domain due to its age, but what you've posted is a modernized and adapted version in modern Bulgarian and I'm not sure if it's copyrighted (since translations generally are, but this is not exactly a translation). Also, it would be more appropriate at Wikisource if not copyrighted. Todor→Bozhinov 12:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, 1914 is the year of publication — in most cases the copyright is determined by the year of the author's death + some time (70 or 100 years usually). It's a bit of a difficult case really, I think we'd better only leave a link (there's one in the Istoriya Slavyanobolgarskaya article and not the whole text on Wikipedia, so the site that hosts the text would bear the copyright responsibility, not us. If the original text is available somewhere online, though, it would be a great addition to Wikisource, but I doubt that.

I'm always happy to see foreigners interested in the culture and history of my nation. There's indeed a lot of work to do on Wikipedia to cover our nation better, but it's like that with many other subjects — we'll sooner or later have a reasonable coverage if we roll up our sleeves. Todor→Bozhinov 13:18, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

Check your e-mail in a few minutes. --Tēlex 12:14, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Check again. --Tēlex 13:41, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, your skills (as defined on your profile) would come in handy in the renovation of the article Greeks, which IMO is a mess. --Tēlex 14:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mother ,,Bulgaria"

The daily Greek csenophobia towards Macedonians makes you say this, regardless to the letters in which he speaks of independent Macedonia. Bomac 16:08, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ibrahim Rugova speaks of an independent Kosovo. According to your logic he is an ethnic Kosovar despite the fact that he has declared himself an Albanian (just like Delchev delcared himself Bulgarian). Konstantine, des to ilektroniko su tahidromio. --Tēlex 16:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes. Rugova wants an independent Kosova/o. Would you say, Bomac, that therefore Rugova is not an Albanian?
• And no, I am not xenophobic against Macedonians (how can I be xenophobic towards Greeks?!?). Perhaps you mean towards the Slavonic Macedonians. Again, no; in fact I really like them because they are spirited, they have a great sense of humour (more Mediterranean than, hem-hem, Bulgarian), a unique history and I hope they cross the border to visit Greece as often as possible and feel welcome there - irrespective of the Macedonian issue.
• One thing bothers me: they have not taken full responsibility of the duties and implications that go with the name 'Macedonia'. But that is not a reason to dislike anyone. There are many ignorant historians in Greece and other parts of the world, but there is no reason to dislike the Greeks and the other parts of the world! Politis 15:05, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Boris na prosehis to Turkish minority in Greece. Alles kaltsomarionetes ehun erthi. --Tēlex 12:56, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

and another Poll...

Hi. There's a debate about how much "X-ian" one must be in order to be considered "X-American" (or X-Yian for that matter) and be categorized as such. The poll is here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Rules for lists of X-Americans. Kindly weigh in! :NikoSilver: 22:02, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Zamanfou up for deletion for the 3rd time

Thought I'd give you a heads-up on developments with regards to this unencyclopedic entry, which is up for deletion again.

Sorry, but I really do not feel qualified to pass any judgement (and this is not a case of zamanfoutismos) Politis 14:03, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re:mulcine

Einai pio katw sto arthro, kai malista stin idia paragrapho, stin arxi! oso mporw (kai elpizw genika na me voithisete), den tha afisw to onoma afto stin prwti seira tou dikou mas arthrou, an den yparxei to diko mas, sto antistoixo diko tous (pistevw na katalaves ti ennow:)...). kai as erthei kapoios admin na me rwtisei giati!!! aftos sigoura kati efage.... kai mallon itan ligmeno:p --Hectorian 17:57, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maps etc

Ethnographic Map of the Balkans by E. Stanford (1877)

Do you know which is my favorite ethnic map? This one ;-) I just found it and uploaded it - Alleluia! --Tēlex 19:58, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well

I would agree that the situation is rather unsatisfactory, given the lack of reliable sources. Normally I wouldn't include it except for a direct quotation, but I think it is reasonable to include it given the lack of other sources in a footnote. - FrancisTyers · 15:02, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/downloads/library/Sfetas01.pdf - FrancisTyers · 17:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The book gives "Dates", "Places" and "People" — is it comprehensive? - FrancisTyers · 17:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from making personal attacks, I understand that you can get quite enthused in the discussion, but please try and remain civil at all times. - FrancisTyers · 17:37, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was asking if it was comprehensive from an inclusive point of view, not from a details point of view. Does it include all mentions, or perhaps might they have left some inconvienient ones out, or maybe they just didn't know about some, there was a war on you know, they could be forgiven for not being comprehensive. - FrancisTyers · 17:44, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

removing offensive attack and borderline threat by Politis 17:47, 13 July 2006 (UTC)] FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 00:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC) Added diff link, don't think it borders to threat.:NikoSilver: 13:08, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Macedonia (terminology)

Well, that'll be the first article we're not bitching too much about! :-) :NikoSilver: 22:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Civility

Regarding this edit: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. --InShaneee 20:04, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Macedonia (terminology)

Megales pros8hkes sto terminology. Des linguistics kai demogrphics kai pes an 8es kai th gnwmh sou sto Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Macedonia (terminology). Koitaze epishs kai kana grammatokibwtio kamia fora. Eyxaristw. :NikoSilver: 13:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See:

• Afto kai kane anastrofi se parakalw. Prokeite gia episimo egrafo apo tin Romeo-Katholiki Ekklisia, to opio kai exw sto prosopiko mou arxio (pio katharotero gia anagnosi)!

To sigekrimeno dokumento Epistola Enciclica, einai mia Papiki Egkiklios (EGRECIAE VIRTUTIS) kai taftochrona i anagnwrisi (tis 31-12-1980, apo ton Papa Ioanni ton B') tis Romeo-Katholikis Ekklisias, sto prosopo ton Kirilloy kai Methodiou, aderfwn, Ellinwn, ek tis perioxis Thessalonikis (Cirillo e Metodio, fratelli, greci, nativi di Tessalonica...) ... os Pateres tis Europis. --Asteraki 21:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your impersonator

Hi Politis, you might be interested to know that your impersonator User:NikosPolitis is again on the loose. Let's watch him, if he resumes doing anything disruptive, give me a shout and we'll get him blocked. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Macedonia (terminology)

We're almost done for the FA status, but there is too little time to deal with some final opjections, mainly in citation. Your help is needed, see talk! :NikoSilver: 15:20, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

2 Polls that may be of interest...

Hey, kindly check:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Misconceptions about Iran
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ehud Olmert and Iran

Thanks. :NikoSilver: 01:18, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"TurkishHorde"

Greetings: I blocked that pest last night [2] but it looks like he continued to rant on his talk page. It's an amusing rant, almost all illogic and untruths, and I smiled and left it alone. Let me know if he bothers you any more. Oh and yes, it's pretty here, but probably not as pretty as Greece -- we do have a similar coastline and climate; someday I hope to get there. Oh well, the grass is always greener elsewhere.... happy editing, Antandrus (talk) 15:51, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Costandi

You hate the ...abbreviated form ("C.o.s.t.a.") or you're not called Costandis either? :NikoSilver: 16:14, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Quoted as saying?

I rephrased the Pangalos quote and put it within context (giving the statements, in a manner of speaking, the benefit of a doubt, as he did not make it perfectly clear whether he was refering to Turks in general, or the Turkish establishment in particular (as seen in my sources, some Greek media concluded the former). I have also added other, contradictory statements he made in the past, with regard to the same matter. Is that homework enough? 212.251.124.218 12:18, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Umm, quoted as saying implies that the statements were contested, whereas they were not. I am not going to revert this ; but I am concerned it might sound a bit misleading. 212.251.124.218 12:21, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Balkan Communist Federation

Nice edit. Thanks, I think this would make quite an interesting article. If you come accross any references (particularly papers that treat it in detail) I would be very interested to know about them. Regards, - FrancisTyers · 15:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok cool, please add away :) I'm supposed to be working on my dissertation, but Wikipedia is a fearsome procrastination tool! :) - FrancisTyers · 16:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Μεταξύ βουτιάς και ηλιοθεραπείας

Είχες γράψει αυτό:

Will get back to you tomorrow. Meanwhile, it is published in English. It reflects 'twisted history' promoting 'official encouragement' (VMRO DMNE founding manifesto, its 1990s electoral campaings, etc...). As for Tsarknias article, I see your point about the BBC (or CBS, ABC, etc); their stories do nor reflect policy. But if they kept pushing regularly the same style of historical interpretation without presenting any other side, then it would be considered policy. That is what the Macedonian Times does (or did if it is still published) on every single issue. And as a journal founded under Yugoslav, state owned principles, it was (is?) semi-governmental if not governmental because Nova Makekonija certainly was until 2003. Politis 15:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

...στο Talk:Macedonia (terminology). Μπορείς να εμπλουτίσεις τα κείμενα? Ο Φράνσις (κι εγώ) θέλει να διαβάσει περισσότερο για να πειστεί (όχι εγώ). Κάνε τον κόπο σε παρακαλώ... :NikoSilver: 15:12, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

lol, for Nikola's comment above;). min amfivalleis gia ton Mywayyy... des to sxolio tou sto telos tis selidas mou. --Hectorian 16:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Revert war budding over use of FYROM in Wikipedia

Again (sigh). Seems like a user has made it his personal crusade [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] to replace all references to FYROM with plain "Macedonia", even to the point of challenging those who disagree to a revert war, which, as he pompously declared, he rarely ever loses [8]. A thoroughly disappointing show by an editor I had more respect for ; giving you a heads up in case you are interested. Porfyrios 15:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy

Hi there! I've noticed that you've edited articles pertaining to the Eastern Orthodox Church. I wanted to extend an invitation to you to join the WikiProject dedicated to organizing and improving articles on the subject, which can be found at: WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy. This WikiProject was begun because a need was perceived to raise the level of quality of articles on Wikipedia which deal with the Eastern Orthodox Church.

You can find information on the project page about the WikiProject, as well as how to join and how to indicate that you are a member of the project. Additionally, you may be interested in helping out with our collaboration of the month. I hope you'll consider joining and thank you for your contributions thus far! —A.S. Damick ^talk ^contribs 13:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Licorice controversy

Point conceded... information is important, however... where would you suggest I move it, in order to guarantee that it is still easily available?

LOL. Sorry, but this reads like a wide-eyed wind up. Here we are having a gi-enormous debate over a region of Europe, and someone comes along with a string of licorice :-) - perhaps you can appreciate the situation. Great news if true, though. How about Macedonia (region)? Politis 19:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, OK, this has to be an emerging hoax.Just looked at licorice and it mentions a Alvin Hosenfeld. There is no evidence that he existed other than as an entry in wikipedia. So this is how a hoax emerges? Politis 19:36, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good thinking, you should include that View at the RfC. - FrancisTyers · 12:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish names

Hi Politis. I absolutely agree with your views. I find quite apalling the fact that Turkified names are used in Greek islands and cities in the first sentence. They should go to history section and only when there is a historic and cultural significance. For instance Xanthi article could be such a canditate due to its Muslim population. Anyway, I ve been trying to correct this totally unacceptable thing not without losses; I ve been banned as a user. But now a page created for a resolution is available and i m looking forward solving this dispute. Your help would be most valuable.Cheers Mywayyy88.218.47.184 12:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Απ' ό,τι θυμάμαι, ξεκίνησε πριν κάποιους μήνες... και από εμάς και από αυτούς. Τα ελληνικά ονόματα δεν υπήρχαν σε άρθρα για μεγάλες τουρκικές πόλεις όμως. Παρόλα αυτά, επέμεναν να προσθέτουν τα τουρκικά ονόματα μέχρι και στην Κρήτη και στην Αθήνα, αλλά ούτε λόγος για το ελληνικό όνομα στην Κωνσταντινούπολη! Μετά ήρθε ο Mywayyy που τα έσβηνε από τα ελληνικά άρθρα, δηλώνοντας ότι θα συνεχίσει ώσπου το ελληνικό να μπει στην Πόλη. Εκδιώχθηκε... Επέμενα ιδιαίτερα να μην μπει το τουρκικό όνομα στην Κομοτινή(αν κάποιο άρθρο θα έπρεπε να το έχει είναι αυτό!), κάνοντας παραλληλισμό με την Πόλη. Μέχρι στιγμής έχει μόνο το ελληνικό, προφανώς γιατί οι Τούρκοι δεν θέλησαν να ρισκάρουν την Ιστανμπουλ... Μετά από συμβουλή κάποιου (όχι του Mywayyy), πρόσθεσα τα ονόματά μας ως και την Μαλάτεια... Η αλήθεια είναι πως το τωρινό πρόβλημα δεν το δημιούργησε ο Mywayyy. Αυτός ήρθε αφού προφανώς είδε ότι τα τουρκικά άρθρα υφίστανται αλλεπάλληλα ριβέρτ από ανώνυμους και IPs... Ενυγουέη (i always wanted to write it in greek:p)... i will make some proposals in Wikipedia: Greek/Turkish naming conventions later. at the moment, i want to see what perhaps somebody else has to say first. Τα λέμε --Hectorian 15:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Diaforoi anomynoi kai IPs, opos legame kai stin selida tou Aldux. apla, me ton Mywayyy, to provlima egine pio 'emphanes' gia kapoious... Isos eftase i stigmi na luthei... --Hectorian 15:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, as promised, I've now written down a sketch of my "inclusionist" position on the new discussion page at Wikipedia:Greek/Turkish naming conventions. Your input will be appreciated. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Politis, are you going to enter your opinion on the Wikipedia: Greek/Turkish naming conventions discussion? I haven't forgotten you were voicing some concerns about using foreign names in the lead sentence. As you may have noticed, currently the survey is dominated by opinions favouring a more liberal approach to using the lead sentence (including my own). But I wouldn't want it to look as if any objections of yours had been overlooked in the process. So I thought you might want to make your voice heard before the consensus solidifies. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:37, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish-EU relations

Hi, I changed the wording slightly, hope it is better. Thanks, --A.Garnet 12:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit to TRNC

Hello. I noticed your recent edit on the TRNC page. I would say that the text that was there prior to the adding of the citation and your re-wording mean the same thing in reality. Its not a big thing and your edit is perfectly fine, I just wanted to let you know why I added the citation without re-wording the article. Adam777 16:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article

Yep, I really hope our government will make the recognition of the ethnic Macedonians' Bulgarian history and the discontinuance of Macedonist propaganda a prerequisite for the Republic of Macedonia's EU membership, and I'm strongly for vetoing it in case they refuse to stop with the propaganda.

As for the article, I don't particularly like the author's view. He seems to present this as some kind of mutual misrepresentation of history and a matter that should be basically ingnored and left unresolved for the sake of stability and progress in the region, calling Kalfin's declaration meanly a political trick to gain support. I disagree with that and believe this progress and stability can't be achieved when there's such large-scale anti-Bulgarian (and anti-Greek) propaganda in a whole country. Stability can't be achieved when your neighbour is teaching their children bullshit, including that four other countries are occupying territory that "rightfully" belongs to the ethnic Macedonians.

It is absolutely unthinkable that the Republic of Macedonia can join the EU while continuing with this, and I'd be totally opposed to their membership if it doesn't stop. Of course, I'd be more than happy to welcome them when they drop this. Todor→Bozhinov 17:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Greek and Turkish named places)

Prosopika pistevo oti tha mporousame na katalixoume se sumfonia... To mono pou me 'anysixei' einai oti wikipedians tis geitonos, parolo pou gnorizoun gia ti syzitisi, den einai prothumoi na paroun meros s'aftin... --Hectorian 12:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I Also agree with you Politis. Under no circumstances must we add Turkish names in Greek articles and vice versa in the opening line or opening paragraph, but only in history or etymology section. I would only accept that in special articles for instance Xanthi where there is a Muslim population so Turkish name might be still used. Of course places like Istanbul, Izmir and other Turkish cities that were founded by Greeks should contain the Greek name in the opening line.Filika Mywayyy88.218.55.194 12:18, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Αν δεν συμμετάσχουν και αυτοί, το αποτέλεσμα δεν θα είναι αποδεκτό, και συνεπώς δεν θα υπάρχει επίσημη πολιτική για το θέμα. Άρα, δεν θα μείνει κάνενα τουρκικό όνομα σε ελληνικό άρθρο. Και κανείς δεν θα μπορεί να μου πει και τίποτα, μιας και δεν έχω παραβιάσει ποτέ κανένα νόμο, και ούτε και τότε θα έχω παραβιάσει... Αν νομίζουν ότι με το να μην παίρνουν μέρος στη συζήτηση, θα μπορούν να έχουν το όνομά τους, π.χ. στη Χίο, και όχι το δικό μας στην Πόλη, είναι βαθειά νυχτωμένοι! Αν θέλουν έντιτ-γουόρς, θα τους έχουν (άλλωστε, θα πρέπει να μάθουν να κάνουν διάλογο...). Όσο για τον Νικόλα... αν αυτή τη στιγμή χαίρεται το Αιγαίο, ζηλεύω φρικτά!!!:p. --Hectorian 12:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ο Νίκος πιστεύω κάνει τώρα αυτό. (Μην ανησυχείτε, θα είναι αυτός που στέκεται πίσω, όχι αυτός που κρέμεται μπροστά.) Όσο για τα έντιτ-γουόρς, μην ξεχνάτε αυτό που έγραφα για πόντους και φασολάδες στη λεγόμενη Πρόταση-μην-είσαι-μαλάκας. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:05, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hectorian min anisixis re c. Opios thelei as simetasxei stin sizitisi. Ego eipa kai ston FPS oti apofasistei tha tirithi apo tin meria mou. An tora Tourkoi users arxisoun na vgazoun ellinika onomata apo Tourkika arthra tote den tha meinei oute ena Tourkiko onoma se elliniko arthro. Kai exo apodeixei pos boro na to kano auto poli kala:)..an kai me kostos.Mywayyy88.218.48.205 13:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Και οι τρεις σας, σοβαρά τώρα: αυτό που λέτε για tit-for-tat edit wars θα ήταν απαράδεκτο, θα'ταν κλασσική περίπτωση POINT και θα σας μπλόκαραν αμέσως και με το δίκαιο τους, αν το κάνατε. Σας το λέω φιλικά, που κι εγώ συμφωνώ ότι οι Ελλ. ονομασίες πρέπει και βέβαια να είναι στα Τούρκικα άρθρα. Μην το σκέφτεστε καν δηλαδή. Και εσύ Μywayyy, και μόνο που μιλάς για τέτοιου είδους συμπεριφορά σημαίνει πως δε θα ξεμπλοκαριστείς ποτέ. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

τρεις? Which τρεις? Can we start counting again? One, err... Politis 13:37, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Συγνώμη, βλέπω τώρα πως δεν είπες εσύ ότι συμφωνείς με αυτά που λέγανε οι άλλοι δύο εδώ πάνω. :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Exeis dikio FPS. Paidia ginetai na mou kanete mia xari giati o Aldux einai kollimenos? Pigeno sto First World arthro na diorthoso to aparadekto gegonos na grafei alla auto to arthro kai alla to Developed Country arthro kai ekeinos sinexizei na to diorthonei sto lathos!! Tragikos tipos. Sto deutero arthro pou einai kai to sosto, leei pos I Kipros px den theoreitai apo IMF World Bank kai CIA san aneptigmeno kratos eno sto proto arthro leei to aditheto kai prepei na figi apo ekei. Episis vazo enan pio euanagnosto xarti kai o tipos ton vgazei. Rixte mia matia. Kai na fandastite oti to atomo me katigorei oti den kano useful edits!! LOL Mywayyy88.218.48.205 13:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aldux is right. The article is fine as is, I personally like the other map better too, and the information about Cyprus you're removing is well sourced (follow the link). We've been tolerating you taking part in the naming debate, but as long as you're banned you have no business messing with other articles, even if you think you're ever so right. Your behaviour just shows you aren't mature enough to get unbanned and stick to the rules. Sorry. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FPS, prospathisa na se proseggiso oxi gia kanena allo logo alla epeidi (mallon?) eisai ellinas alla telika eisai eristikos. Opote an eisai esi mia ego tha eimai 100. Ase pou den fenetai na katalavaineis ti akrivos paizei. POLITIS esi boreis na to tsekareis auto? Enw sto Developed country emfanizei sosta ti lista me tis aneptigmenes xores xoris tin Kipro pou exigei giati den tin exei, sto allo arthro First World tin exei...dhl exei ginei lathos. Episis exei enan xarti pou den fenonde kala oi aneptigmenes xores kai prospathisa na ton allaxo. To vasiko omos einai oti iparxoun diaforetikes info gia dio idia themata se dio diaforetika arthra. Kai ola auta ta kanei enas kollimeno atomaki.Check it out plz:)Mywayyy88.218.48.205 14:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just by reading FPS contributions, I would suggest that he is more of a Ρωμιός and a Hellenist, than a Greek, i.e. inclulcated with a certain Greekness due paideia, not ancestry. Anyway, this is mostly an anoymous site and we could all be Tibetan monks dreaming we are wikieditors... Politis 14:13, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just for the record, I've outed myself earlier in this forum as a Celtovandalosilingovenedopolonofrancosaxocheruskan, hence a barbarian. If I'm also a Tibetan monk, I must be rather fast asleep right now. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you have a good explanation

... for this edit: [9]. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 06:31, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Does your message mean that even given the diff of your own edit, you are still unable to figure out or explain what you were doing there? ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 21:57, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Spam from Atatürk page

Dear Politis.

From previous edits of yours that I have seen, I consider you as a serious editor. So I was quite surprised to see you insert a deeply racist, very primitive and vulgar link to the Atatürk page. Are you aware of the content of the link you inserted? Bertilvidet 17:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Balkan

It is... in Bulgarian :) The "official" name is Stara Planina, and it's informally called "the Balkan". We call the peninsula Balkani(te), so it's not confusing. I'll be expanding Apriltsi a little, but I think I'll be adding a whole lot of new info to the Troyan Monastery article :) Todor→Bozhinov 13:45, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Details

Geia Sou Politis. You asked me whether I'm interested to add some personal details in my profile. As I'm a new member I'm still learning how everything works, so maybe later.

Re: Details

Gia sou Politi, Μετά από αρκετή προσπάθεια κατάφερα να αλλάξω την σελίδα. Πως κάνουν ρεβερτ για να μπορέσω να την διατηρήσω? Ευχαριστώ.

Ναί, μεσα από την συζήτηση στο ταλκ παραθέτω τεκμήρια φθάνω σε΄ένα αποτέλεσμα καθώς οι αντίπαλοί μου σταματούν να διαφωνούν αφού κάθε τους επιχείρημα αντιμετωπίζεται. Κάνω αλλαγές σύμφωνα πάντα με την συζήτηση, και μετά από λίγο κάποιος κάνει ρεβερτ έτσι απλά. Ποιος έχει δικαίωμα να παγώσει ενα μέρος (εστω τις 3 πρώτες γραμμές εισαγωγής) και πώς μπορώ να μιλήσω σε αυτό το άτομο? Να συζητήσω μαζί του και με όσους Τούρκους θα θέλουν να συμμετάσχουν. Σε ευχαριστώ για την βοήθεια-όπως καταλαμβαίνεις είμαι καινούργιος. [e-mail]

Talk:Macedonia (terminology)#Poll

...you know the drill! :-) •NikoSilver• 10:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just fishin...

...Like the bait? -> Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Greece#Members •NikoSilver• 22:28, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

I just put a new post on Greco-Turkish relations.. There was an edit conflict...Baristarim 16:09, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It was about the rename, I put my post only ten minutes after you said you were OK with the name, have a look and tell me what you think. regards Baristarim 21:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

η αλήθεια είναι πως

I'm a quarter of a Vlach, my father's mother, but i don't understand a SINGLE word... who knows, maybe I'll learn at some point :) Guitardemon666 16:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

nah dude

no way dude, i know i'm pure macedonian, no interracial stuff... i know i said i'm a quarter of a vlach but she was actually born to vlach parents whose parents and parents' parents were all born in macedonia, and lived in macedonia, just as my grandmother, so she had no affiliation with anything greek, and actually she hated greeks, i'm happy i didn't get any of that characteristic of hers :) you must have misread - my father's mom, not my mother's dad... and no, all of my grandparents are dead. greetings Guitardemon666 16:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you.--Yannismarou 07:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, welcome to the program! I didn't have the chance to welcome you earlier.--Yannismarou 07:34, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RE: The pic: Liqenas or Pustec coat of arms with the "sun"

I found that pic by googling for the municipality Liqenas or Pustec in what we call Mala Prespa (in greek: Mikri Prespa, but the part which is in Albania). I found the following wikipedia articles that have that pic you are asking about inside them:
Mala Prespa on the Macedonian wikipedia
Mala Prespa on the Bulgarian wikipedia
Mala Prespa on the Serbian Wikipedia
and I just took the link to the image over there. I didnt find it by searching on wikimedia if that's what you are asking nor I know how to use it so far. --Vbb-sk-mk 17:39, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

templates

?? Why did you think that i was hijacking the article?? I didnt say that you couldnt put the corresponding greek template.. Why all the animosity? I mean, why do you suppose that just because I added that I was trying to hijack the article?? It wouldn't be hijacking since that article considers both turkey and greece; have a look at all other relations articles and u will see the foreign relations templates of corresponding countries.. Gees, please take a deep breath - we should be all trying to improve all the articles, not fighting over who owns what.. You were more than welcome to add the corresponding greek template, I just couldn't find a foreign relations of greece template.. Seriously, what u said in your edit summary was not cool dude.. what u did bordered on vandalism since u deleted a completely legitimate template whereas what you should have been doing was to add the corresponding greek tag.. Baristarim 15:10, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

completely agree with you :)) no worries, at the end of the day we are just hanging around, things can seem personal but they never are.. cheers! Baristarim 16:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

Τι εννοεις "φύλακες ενός παγκοσμίου πολιτισμού"; Μπορεις να μου το εξηγησεις λιγο αυτο; Και επειδη οι Ελληνες ειναι ολίγον μελαχρινοί αυτο θα πει οτι δεν ειναι λευκοι; Α, και δεν λεμε "ασπρη ρατσα" αλλα "Λευκη Φυλη". Mitsos 15:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Απο που και ως που ειναι οι Ελληνες θεματοφύλακες ολοκληρου του παγκοσμιου πολιτισμού;;; Εαν εννοεις τον αρχαιοελληνικο πολιτισμο αυτος ηταν ελληνικος οχι "παγκοσμιος". Με την λευκη φυλη τι προβλημα εχεις; Αμφισβητεις το γεγονος οτι υπαρχουν φυλες;;; Οσο για τους "γειτονες" μας, βιολογικα, το 50% των Τουρκων ειναι λευκοι, η κουλτουρα τους ομως δεν ειναι (και αυτο ειναι που μετραει πιο πολυ, διαβασε και το κειμενο Who is White sto userpage mou). Τους Αλβανους δεν τους θελουμε, οχι επειδη δεν ειναι λευκοι, αλλα επειδη ειναι ξενοι (οπως δεν θα θελαμε να μεταναστευουν μαζικα στην πατριδα μας και αλλοι λαοι π.χ. οι Γερμανοι). Mitsos 15:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ha ha ha?

LOL, I like propaganda. What I particularly love:

• "In the liberation wars, the Greek, Bulgarian and Serb armies did not proceed onto Macedonian territory because it was not theirs." Sounds convincing, but is the biggest bullsh*t I've ever heard. Fiction.
• "The greatest uprising in Macedonian history occurred on August 2, 19037." Or 17,031 years in the future as of 2006.
• "Applying similar battle tactics as Alexander the Great in his numerous quests, Samuel managed to liberate the entire territory of ethnic Macedonia." Certainly, Alexander the Great was a direct forefather of Samuil, I don't doubt this, but Macedonia wasn't anything ethnic in the 11th century, but a geographic region in Thrace between what are today Bulgaria, Greece and Turkey :) Todor→Bozhinov 11:28, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you.--Yannismarou 14:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Muchas gracias

Hey Costandis, thanks a lot for supporting me in my recent RfA. It succeeded, and I am very grateful to all of you. If you ever need help with anything, please don't hesitate to ask. Also, feel free point out any mistakes I make! Thanks again, —Khoikhoi 04:54, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia rubbish recycled

Your article ... has been deleted, as a) it is clearly an attack article and b) it does not cite any sources. Please do not add articles like this again. DJ Clayworth 15:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(copied from User talk:DJ Clayworth) I understand your deletion. But please help me out - as you can see, my contribution was signed. My point is that, Wikipedia gives rise to many innacuracies. Some of them are then recycled. I would like to see an article that catalogues these occurances. Do you have any ideas? At least, can we have a place to discuss the possibility of such an article? Thanks. Politis 15:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you really want to make an article on this subject, here are some guidelines:

1. Don't give your article an inflammatory title.
2. Go and have a look at the articles that already exist. Much of this is covered in Wikipedia and Reliability of Wikipedia.
3. You will need to cite third party sources (i.e. not Wikipedia itself) in support of what you write. An example of an inaccuracy is open to debate unless it is cited from a reliable, external source.
4. Remember the Wikipedia principles: Neutrality, verifibility, sources.

Finally, you may want to consider there really a point to cataloguing any inaccuracies you find? Would it not be better for everyone to fix them? (P.S. You can reply on this page and I will see it) DJ Clayworth 16:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Reliability of Wikipedia seems to cover what I was looking for, no reason to start anything elese. Politis 10:12, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your Institution's User's Edit to Southwest Airlines

This is the link to the edits: [10]. I'll be glad to help if you need any =). Thanks. -- Ouishoebean 12:40, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

testing from other terminal 161.74.11.24 12:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Srebrenica massacre article edits

Politis, any comments on my suggestion to start pruning/editing the Srebrenica massacre article?KarlXII 12:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish coffee

Hello Politis. I had provided some sources for the date and who opened the first coffee shop, but they got losted in vandalisms... Pros to paron den mporw na kanw allo rv, alla epanefere tis piges an theleis. Den einai akadimaikes, alla polu amfivallw an to arthro tha itan toso megalo an zitousame 'academics sources' gia ola... Ciao Hectorian 18:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you.--Yannismarou 12:56, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Language, dialect and understandable confusion

Hi, you seem to have got the impression that before a language is standardised, it cannot exist. If that were so, there would be no English language. You also seem to have the impression that if something was not called something at one period of time, there can be no retroactive (is that a greek word or latin?) naming of that thing. This is also wrong, as it would not allow science to progress. Think of it this way, categorising those dialects as "Bulgarian" was a mistake, which is why they are typically categorised as "Macedonian" today by the majority of international scholars and linguists. For another example, we currently think that the earth is round, when talking about times before this was discovered, we don't revert to the old "wrong" thinking that the earth is flat. We keep saying that the earth is round. Regards, - Francis Tyers · 18:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• You are kidding, right? I mean about comparing flat earth with 'Macedonian'; or perhaps you are collecting answers to bizzar suggestions. Why not?! But just in case... If we are quoting people stating that the earth is flat, we would use the same words. For the Mac lang we have no worthy quotes of a "Macedonian language" before 1940s. Those dialect could have been standardised in any number of 'new' languages, as well as into Serbian or Bulgarian. For that matter, the Slavic idioms of Greece could also be standardised into a more Hellenic new language. Regarding your other point about pre-1940s, there were discussions on standardisation as early as the turn of the century. There must be a language in order to standardise it, wouldn't you say? Or would you say that English currently isn't a language and is only a set of dialects?

We aren't quoting anyone, we are using a descriptive term. The term has been updated, which means we don't need to use the old term. Regarding your second suggestion, "the Slavic idioms of Greece could also be standardised into a more Hellenic new language", I've recommended this more than once. I think it would be a wonderful idea. You could have the alphabet as Latin or Greek (preferably Latin). It would piss off the ethnic Macedonian nationalists, but would be welcomed by almost everyone else. A win-win result :)

• By the way, when was English officially standardised? Make sure you publish the results of your research when you find out.

English has never been officially standardised as far as I am aware. After the invention and introduction of the printing press (see Caxton) certain moves towards a more homogenous (Greek word!) language were made. For example, you might enjoy this little extract from one of Caxton's works.

"And the marchaunt was angry for he also coude speke no frenshe but wold haue hadde egges and she vnderstode hym not. And thenne at laste a nother sayd that he wolde haue eyren. Then the good wyf sayd that she vnderstood hym wel’ ... ‘Loo what sholde a man in thyse dayes now wryte egges or eyren? Certaynly it is harde to playse euery man by cause of dyuersite and chaunge of langage’" (if you don't read early modern / late middle english then you will be able to find translations on the internet).

• Retroactive comes from the French and is a compound of Latin terms.

Thanks, I was too lazy to look it up!

- Francis Tyers · 09:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cooperation board launched

A new (and overdue) Greek and Turkish cooperation and notification board has been launched here. Stop by, have a look and sound off! Cheers! Baristarim 07:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings

PLEASE JOIN THE GROUP: Wikipedia:WikiProject Cyprus

There is MUCH to do but the road ahead will be a blessed road in the end. Cheers.(UNFanatic 15:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Turkey

Dear Politis, Sorry for misunderstanding. My aim was not make distruptive edits. You are right, Turkey is ,as an article, too long. I think also it will be better to divide to new articles/sections and transfer some infos to new or related articles. But,

• 1-as you may accept there must be a consensus on that.
• 2-This necessity doesnt give to somebody to fork some POV in the article for stated reason.

I think, also Athens,Thessaloniki needs dividing(too long), why you make some trial firstly on these articles. Regards. Must^TC 17:40, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Politis, please see Canada, Australia and similar FA articles. I extensively rewrote that article in light of those articles. None of them use such subsections. In fact, subsections are generally frowned upon. I will get back to you about the other post that you left about TRNC when I have some more time. Baristarim 19:04, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I should be working on that article, it is actually getting somewhere :) For yesterday... Well, I suppose stuff happens sometimes and there is no running away from it I suppose. I know about the contribution list trick, however I just cannot understand the "urge". You know, I don't see tens of Turkish editors roaming around in Macedonia related articles for example. I find it normal that in an article concerning Turks and Greeks there will be tons of editors from both sides, but I wouldn't understand why ten Pakistani editors would turn up in a Japanese-Chinese dispute! Seriously, I could also go edit Macedonia, but I don't simply because I know the fact that I do not possess sufficient information. I edit France since I live there and Italy sometimes because I have been there quite a few times and read a lot about it. But I don't go edit Iraq for example, even though it is a neighboring country to Turkey, since I know nothing about the place unfortunately. I mean, the AfD was proposed by an Englishman, it is not like there was this great pan-Turkist conspiracy or anything!! I am afraid of the vote not helping anything at all in the PGG page.. I was actually thinking of an AfD with the possibilities of vote for "Keep" or "Rename" simply to force impartial editors to take a look at this by listing it on the AfD page since it is regularly perused by a lot of editors. Btw, I am aware that not all editors came there by email, so don't take it personal. I was trying to refer to the whole concept of what happened, that's all. Cheers Baristarim 15:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Majority

Hi, I was referring to WP:NPOV#Undue weight, which says:

Articles that compare views need not give minority views as much or as detailed a description as more popular views, and may not include tiny-minority views at all (by example, the article on the Earth only very briefly refers to the Flat Earth theory, a view of a distinct minority)

Khoikhoi 20:30, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To pseudo-kratos

Boris na afisis to protypo se parakalo poly. An thelis perissoteres leptomeries stile mou ena e-mail, an kai ine profanes to yati (bori na aryiso na apandiso omos). //Dirak 16:26, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re

Lew oxi (lol). A, kai an o Sokraths eipe auto pou les sto usrpage sou, egw eimai o papas. Eimai prota o Mitsos, meta Athinaios, meta Ellhn, meta Leukos kai meta Anthropos. Mitsos 17:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Plaka ekana re! Fysika prepei na xamilosoun oi tonoi! Apla den katalavenw giati prepei na symponoume ton turkokyprio (poios einai autos?). To makedoniko pou kollaei??? Oso gia to kypriako fysika kai den lythike (ellas-kypros enosis). O Papadopoulos pou kollaei???? Den katalava kai poly to teleutaio meros tou mynimatos sou... Btw, you are a Londoner, why you use American English? I always admired English people (the skinhead subculture started in East London). Mitsos 18:02, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Den nomizw pws ginetai kapoios polemos edw oste na "xanoume" kapou. Ektos an enoeis sthn pragmatikotita opou xanoume pantou... Den mou apanthses gia ton Papadopoulo kai ta American English. Mitsos 18:15, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Den exw kai tipota me ton ton Papadopoulo (san malakas nomiza oti les ton Georgio), oute o Karamanlis kanei tipota gia ta ethnika themata. Ta bretanika agglika xathikan to 50????? Egw mikros (prin 4-5 xronia) eixa paei agglia kai oloi me aggliki prifira milousan... Mitsos 18:36, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sovara????? Paei xalase o kosmos... Oi aggloi ethnikistes ti kanoun??? Ti leei gia auto to BNP??? (lol) Mitsos 18:43, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ti ennoeis "masane ta agglika tous san bodia"? Mporeis na mou to ekshghseis auto? Oute to allo to katalava... Ti paei na pei kaneis den akouei to BNP??? Sigoura den tous lamvanei ypopsin to politiko katesthmeno, kai den ta pane kai teleia stis ekloges, alla ti ennoeis "den to akouei kaneis"? Mitsos 18:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject History of Greece Newsletter - Issue IV - December 2006

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Thank you.--Yannismarou 15:26, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please read and discuss on the Thessaloniki talk page

Politis,

you directed comments to my user page that should have been brought to the article's talk page; there is an ongoing discussion there that you should take part in, rather than multiple-revert.

When you get to the talk page, please do not bring with you "it is the name used in just about all slavic langagues, including polish, russian and ukrainian" It takes but a moment to comfirm that this is not true. Ukrainian Russian Polish Jd2718 17:31, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Politis, I've answered your question on the talk page. At this point, you've reverted the link 4 times, a clear violation of 3RR. Please revert yourself. Jd2718 23:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think you misinterpreted the 3RR.

3RR specifically states [11]: "The policy states that an editor must not perform more than three reversions, in whole or in part, on a single Wikipedia page within a 24 hour period."

The definition of 'revert' is [12]: "To revert is to undo all changes made to an article page after a specific time in the past. The result will be that the page becomes identical in content to the page saved at that time."

This was not the case. The text was changing from editor to editor.

Politis 00:37, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Politis, the report is here. When you come back to the talk page, please engage with me and the other editors on the talk page, especially for disputed issues. Jd2718 01:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Answer

"b" means it's a bot edit. "mb" means it's a minor edit by a bot. As for the numbers in parentheses, see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Colored numbers in Watchlist. Happy new year! Khoikhoi 01:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Approved for AWB!

Thank you for your recent application to use AutoWikiBrowser. I have approved your request and you should now be able to use the AWB application. Be sure to check every edit before you save it, and don't forget to check out the AWB Guide. You can get any help you need over on the AWB talk page. Feel free to contact me with any questions, alphachimp 00:11, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

I see that you got the AWB - it is a pretty good tool, however just make sure that you check every edit before saving; otherwise some awkward edits can be done :))

Well, I see your point for Turkey, however please be careful with the general flow of the article; it just passed FA and it now has to meet very high standards. Also just remember that it is only an overview of the country, and detailed explanations of subjects should be left to their sub-articles. If you noticed, the whole Ottoman years are mentioned in only one paragraph. That's why I merged the Greece and Cyprus sections: related topics should be grouped together, otherwise the whole article would be a list. Nevertheless, I made a clarification about the Ionians.

If you have any other concerns, try raising them in the talk page as well. I put a lot of effort to that article to strike the right balance in many sections and nearly every word used was chosen carefully, so I can help out as well if you have any particular concerns. Cheers!

(PS. As for the references, take a look at WP:CITE or other refs used in the article. We are a bit picky since WP:CITE format was one the major criteria for the FA :)) Baristarim 00:17, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As for sub-sections, pls see other FA country articles like Canada, India, Australia etc. The structure of the article was copied from them. There shouldn't be any sub-sections. Again don't forget that the article is an overview of the whole country, not one particular topic. It is not the article about the TR-EU accession :) the accession process is not the only thing that needs to be known about Turkey. It is a main issue in foreign relations, but that's it. There are also other areas that need to be covered: economy, geography, culture, history, military, politics etc. The whole Ottoman years is talked about in a paragraph, talking about the case of Orhan Pamuk wouldn't make sense - particularly since the charges were annulled to begin with. It is already mentioned in their respective articles. It is all about context. :) Baristarim 00:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I honestly had nothing against the content of your edit (except that it was longer than it needed to be, considering the very short section on antiquity). I'm more than fairly inclined to ancient Greek history and I like the current "Ionians, one of the ancient Greek peoples." wording. I know I could fix your edit instead of reverting, but I currently do not have the time to look up a reference specific to your addition. I shall also confess that, being the one who provided all the references to the antiquity section, spending many hours (to find sources both trustable and accessible online), that I was just a bit upset that you showed no care at all to the proper citation style that must be used in this featured article. I hope there are no hard feelings! Xαίρετε, Atilim Gunes Baydin 00:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Greeks

Cna you take a look at the recent edits by an anon? I can't figure out what's happening since I don't know the subject, I already reverted once but I don't want to be reverting legitimate edits. Baristarim 23:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Francis Tyers

Sorry if I came accross as rude on the talk page; I had just woken up and hadn't eaten anything yet. ;-) Anyways, I still think your comment there was unhelpful. I know you probably dislike him because of his stance in Macedonia-related articles, but in my experience he has been able to resolve conflicts very well. There was an edit war over external links at Transnistria, and Francis removed all of them and then moved them to the talk page for people to vote on. The conflict was resolved in about a week. Anyways, it's not like I asked him to be an official mediator, I just wanted him to check out what was going on and give suggestions on how to resolve things. I'm sorry you feel a certain way about him, but let me give you a comparison: I am currently trying to resolve an issue at Talk:Nakhichevan, and I certainly wouldn't want someone popping up and saying, "this guy Khoikhoi is biased, he can't mediate and will just mess everything up". That would be poisoning the well. Hope you understand what I'm saying—there are no hard feelings. Khoikhoi 23:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Quotes

Hi Politis, please forgive me for the long delay, but i'll give you a few references of the quotes. The one from Nikola Karev is actually taken from a letter from him to Goce Delchev. The same quote is also here [13]. The quote of Georgi Pulevski is from a Macedonian language dictionary or text book that he wrote in the 1800's “Dictionary of Three Languages”. The quote can be viewed here [14]. The quote from Krste Misirkov is from a letter he wrote in 1921 to a Serbian minister. The quote can be found somewhere on this website [15]. The quote from Goce Delchev is obviously his famous one so I dont think I need to give you a reference for that. The quote from Sandanski is also from a letter but the wensite I got it from no longer exists, I will inform you though if I find it somewhere else. Macedonia 01:18, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your support

--Yannismarou 20:40, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As you set out for Ithaka, hope the voyage is long Knowledge is your destiny, but don't ever hurry the journey May there be many summer mornings when With what pleasure and joy, you come into harbors seen for the first time Don't expect Ithaka to make you rich. Ithaka gave you the marvelous journey And, if I, one of your fellow-travellers, can offer something To make this journey of yours even more fascinating and enjoyable This is my assistance with anything I can help.

WikiProject Greece Newsletter - Issue V (I) - January 2007

The WikiProject Greece Newsletter Issue V (I) - January 2007
Project news This is the first Newsletter of the new and enhanced Wikiproject Greece and the first of 2007! Please comment on its form, the way it is delivered , its content etc. We need your ideas and contributions! The History of Greece Wikiproject and the Wikiproject Greece have been merged into the new Wikiproject Greece after the discussion between the members of both projects here. New parameters have been added in our banner, {{WPHOG}}, which allow the reviewer who evaluates the quality of an article and rates it to check the five criteria in the project's new quality scale, in order to determine whether an article deserves B-Class rating or not. Guidelines for the use of the banner are here. All the templates of the project and other templates for Greece-related articles are now gathered here. New sources concerning the "Greek onomatology" have been added in our main page. The Portal:Military of Greece has been created so if anyone wants to help go right ahead!	Current proposals and discussions Check the list with our articles needing attention, where Great Fire of Smyrna has been added. A suggestion for the creation of a fortnight or month Collaboration has been made here. Please, voice yourself: do you think this Collaboration is useful? Are you willing to participate? A proposal for the creation of a "Greece military history taskforce" has been made. Please participate in the discussion here and express yourself. The creation of a "Greek peoples task focre" and of a "Greek location task force" has been also proposed. Your contribution to the discussion here is again valuable. You can also check the discussion for the categorization of Roman-era Greeks here.
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Various

Heh, that Patra discussion was quite old, I had to think for a moment to imagine why you brought it up... :-) About the maps, you were among the people who once took some interest in the Aegean dispute articles, right? I asked Yannis for a review to help me bring it to featured status. Input will be appreciated. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:08, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The SVG maps are a recommended new format, they have the advantage of being very easily scalable to all sizes and resolutions without loss in quality. And you can easily change them too. But you're right, I find them a bit slow too. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PGG article

Hi, can you sign yay or nay here please. Thanks, --A.Garnet 17:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Greece Newsletter - Issue VI (II) - February 2007

The WikiProject Greece Newsletter Issue VI (II) - February 2007
Project news This is the second Newsletter of the new and enhanced Wikiproject Greece! Please comment on its form, the way it is delivered , its content etc. We need your ideas and contributions! All the "History of Greece" templates have been moved to just plain "Greece", and the project's main page has been updated to use the new names and not the redirects. Our banner has been renamed to {{WPGreece}}). Additionally, "View/hide" hyperlinks for all the additional sections (Criteria for B-Class, peer-review, task forces) have been added to the banner, and a "small option" is also supported. The parameter for the Politics and politicians task force has been changed from task force1 to politics-task-force. For more details, check Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece/Project banner.	Current proposals and discussions A proposal for the creation of task forces for other areas, such as arts, sports, etc. has been made here. The creation of a task force to periodically check article within the scope of the project against "erosion" has been also proposed here. Please, participate in the above discussions and express yourself. Galleries of images at Greece, Athens, and Thessaloniki will probably get removed. A number were already removed from Greece. Interested editors are requested to make sure that any of these that aren't at Wikimedia Commons get moved there. A new category, Category:Greek Civil War, has been created. Please populate it with relevant articles on revolutionary organisations, events, leaders etc.
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Gorco

He hasn't edited since February 3, so I don't think he's a serious problem right now. If you want to remove his links, you can see the full list of the articles that still have them here. Khoikhoi 03:04, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rosetta Stone

Φίλε Politis, The reason the "pseudoscientific" theory needs to be mentioned in the RS article is that it is being actively promoted by the FYR. The original references to the theory were posted by FYR sources, uncritically as "facts". For this reason, it is important that they be properly referenced and put in context in WP. Regards, sys < in 15:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish coffee

Thanks for your comment on Talk:Turkish coffee. I've been wanting to add this information for a while, but I didn't have the θάρρος to engage in yet another area which will probably bring out the narrow-minded nationalists.... Alas, we will probably have to watch this article closely now, but it's always better when you know you'll have support in advance. --Macrakis 17:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Greece Newsletter - Issue VII (III) - March 2007

The WikiProject Greece Newsletter Issue VII (III) - March 2007
Project news This is the third Newsletter of the new and enhanced Wikiproject Greece! Please comment on its form, the way it is delivered , its content etc. We need your ideas and contributions! The WikiProject Greece Barnstar, the project's official award, has been adopted to be bestowed on anyone who has made significant contributions to Wikipedia's coverage of Greece-related articles or to the project itself. You are free to comment on it and to improve the template of the award! A new and reformed Review department allows you not only to submit articles for peer-reviews, but also to watch all Greece-related FAC, FAR or FARC nominations. A new seperate page with the project's members has been created. Two new catogories (Category:Disambig-Class Greek articles and Category:Template-Class Greek articles) as sbu-cats of the Category:Non-article Greece pages have been created. The new {{Infobox Greek Dimos}} template for municipalities has been launched!	Current proposals and discussions A discussion about the achievements of the project and its future priorities and plans took place here. You can also see the discussion here about the organization of NA categories of the project. A discussion is going on at WP:MILHIST about whether or not an Ottoman task force should be created. See the discussions about the move proposals concerning certain Chalkidiki-related pages. Help for the expansion of the article about Greek police has been requested here. The issue of naming conventions concerning the various factions of the Greek Civil War has been raised here.
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WikiProject Greece Newsletter - Issue VIII (IV) - April 2007

The WikiProject Greece Newsletter Issue VIII (IV) - April 2007
Project news This is the fourth Newsletter of the new and enhanced Wikiproject Greece! Please comment on its form, the way it is delivered , its content etc. We need your ideas and contributions! The {{WPGreeceOpenTasks}} has been replaced with {{Wikipedia:Greek Wikipedians' notice board/to do}}. Feel free to improve our notice board's format, and, please, keep updating it! A new Showcase section has been created in the main page of our project!	Current proposals and discussions Discussions continue here about the projects's barnstar(s). Please participate and contribute! Help for the expansion of the article about Hellenism has been requested here. A proposal for the creation of a bot that will automatically tag unassessed articles has been proposed here. Parthenon is in WP:FAR, and needs our contributions, in order to keep its star! And what do you think about Greece's article in this Alternative wikipaedia?
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Massacres in Peloponnese

Hi Politis, your AfD of this article was procedurally incomplete. I've filled in a proper AfD page for it. You might want to go and add your view. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TRNC

Just in case you thought this was supposed to be directed to you personally, no it wasn't (otherwise it wouldn't be "rampant" since you only made one good faith edit). It was directed to all of us, me included (I had rv'd before). NikoSilver 10:43, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Greece Newsletter - Issue IX (V) - May 2007

The WikiProject Greece Newsletter Issue IX (V) - May 2007
Project news This is the fifth Newsletter of the new and enhanced Wikiproject Greece! Please comment on its form, the way it is delivered , its content etc. We need your ideas and contributions! The Template:WPGRInvite has been created to invite members to WikiProject Greece and is part of the project's Outreach department! A new article importance grading scheme has been adopted! Our Project banner has now a new more attractive look! MartinBotIII will be tagging all unassessed WPGR articles with the parameters: class=Stub|auto=yes. All articles will be listed under Category:Automatically assessed Greek articles where they can be reviewed and reassessed or have the "auto" removed.	Current proposals and discussions Discussions still continue here about the projects's barnstar(s). Please participate and contribute! We were previously discussing here about the expansion of the article about Hellenism. Now we are discussing here about the usefulness of a WikiProject Hellenism. What do you think? See the discussion here about the article concerning Greek-American organized crime. Suggestions on the topic "opium in ancient Greece" have been requested, in order to improve the opium article.
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History of the Macedonian language

Hallo, Politis! I think this article is not objective! Jingby 17:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC) Yes I have added this link, but it was delated too! Jingby 17:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cyprus

Hi, you have made this edit. please note the following:

1. to just state that "the UN did not recognize the declaration" is a is down grading the language (at the very least) that the UN utilised to condemn the act. The act was characterized as "legally invalid = "Having no cogency or legal force".

2. Expressed strong disapproval =(condemn) of the purported secession of part of the Republic of Cyprus.

3. "Gravely concerned" about the further seccessionist acts in the occupied part of the Republic of Cyprus etc etc. You can see 541 and 550 out of many here and here

Just wanted to bring that to your attention, thanks 3meandEr 11:24, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again. Well, the term "illegal" is very clearly found in Resolution 550 page 13 of the resolution (2/3 on the attached pdf copy)point 2 which states: "Condemns all secessionist actions... between Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot leadership, declares them illegal and "invalid" and calls for their immediate withdrawal". Please have a look. Thanks 3meandEr 11:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For Skopia i need to go through the resolutions as i am not familiar with them. 3meandEr 11:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]