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User talk:Nigel Ish/Archive 4
The Fokker Scourge articleI am having a few problems with an enthusiastic but at times very dogmatic editorial colleague on the Fokker Scourge article. In fact, things have reached a pass where some second opinions might be useful. The specific question he is hammering at the moment is that we shouldn't ever say "No. 1 Squadron RAF" (in spite of that being the usual way of putting it) but "1 Squadron" (on the grounds that the "No." is redundant). I wouldn't object to an occasional omission of the "No.", if only for elegant variation, but he has been going right through the article wiping every instance and claiming that "Wikipedia is not a source" (which is true enough, but nothing to do with the case). The gentleman concerned has been making dozens of other (mostly very pettifogging) changes to the article - a few have been genuine improvements, and most at least acceptable alternatives but some of have made clear text obscure, even meaningless. I have let everything he has done that is at all acceptable stand, but the really bad ones I've had to change - usually with a new version rather than a provocative revert. I was wondering, if you have a moment, if you'd like to have a little look at the Fokker Scourge talk page (go straight to the bottom if you like) and tell me, either here, on my talk page, or even on the talk page of the article if you want to actually buy into the discussion, if I'm being totally unreasonable and should just give up. This is (for a WWI aviation article) quite a high traffic one - and I'd like to leave it in reasonable shape. At least readable, and plain in meaning (two things I value far above brevity for its own sake). --Soundofmusicals (talk) 01:07, 23 July 2017 (UTC) The Bugle: Issue CXXXVI, August 2017
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The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here. Disambiguation link notification for December 14Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. An automated process has detected that when you recently edited HMS Lightning (1895), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Collier (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are usually incorrect, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of unrelated topics with similar titles. (Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.) It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 18:32, 14 December 2017 (UTC) Yakovlev's Tactical Twins (Air International. Vol. 44 no. 5) pp 244-249Hello, Several months ago you added this as a source to the Yakovlev Yak-25 article. I am currently attempting to get the article to GA to match other Soviet aircraft articles. Would it be possible for you to email me scans of the article as I don't have access to Air International back issues? Kges1901 (talk) 17:05, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
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April 2018 Milhist Backlog DriveG'day all, please be advised that throughout April 2018 the Military history Wikiproject is running its annual backlog elimination drive. This will focus on several key areas:
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Vickers VenomEvening Nigel, There's a query on Talk:Vickers Venom about a phrase that seems to have come from you a long time ago. They refer to the phrase "after a crash in testing", at the end of the last para. As they say, there's no mention of this event in the sources cited. If you did introduce the phrase, could you add a ref please? Cheers,TSRL (talk) 19:38, 19 April 2018 (UTC) HMS Bristol (D23)Your revision here was a little odd. All the other ships of the Royal Navy are in metric (imperial) except this one. Further, as it is now, the length and beam are in imperial and the draught is in metric. Bonewah (talk) 13:57, 5 June 2018 (UTC) Royal Aircraft Factory F.E.2 (oleo undercarriage).The oleo strut of the F.E.2's undercarriage is of course well known - and well referenced. Just two sources that come to mind are:
I have nonetheless run into a bit of conflict with someone with interests from "a later war" who disputes this - perhaps on the authority of works documenting more modern "oleo struts". I wonder if you could apply an impartial eye on this one? --Soundofmusicals (talk) 23:49, 14 July 2018 (UTC) "Unhopeful changes"Re: your revert here,I actually thought the IP's addition, "is the best production aircraft", was quite hopeful. :) - BilCat (talk) 23:59, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Lol your edit is a bit in accurate ok :) 07Sepp Dietrich (talk) 14:27, 27 July 2018 (UTC) Beevor on HMS BlancheThanks for adding the information from Beevor's book to the article. But there's a problem with the ISBN and I can't find the edition that you've used on Worldcat. Can you check again and make sure that the bibliographic info is correct?--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:30, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for your research on Pentstemon. As you know your way around the RN archives I am wondering if you can locate anything about Pendant/Pennant numbers? There is a comment on my talk page following my change on S-class destroyers (1917). I have accepted the other editors point as I can find nothing to contradict it and I think he is right but the existing page on Pennant numbers is a bit of a mess following an IP editor doing a search and replace on the RN section changing pennant to pendant in 2012. Specifically it needs a date for if and when pendant numbers were introduced and a date for when they started to be referred to as pennant numbers. Can you help? Lyndaship (talk) 15:37, 2 September 2018 (UTC) Can you help ID a ship?I am currently working on battle of Westerplatte. Three German ships shelled the Polish fort: the well known BB Schleswig-Holstein and the two smaller vessels. One of them T196 aka SMS G196 you wrote about, and you included the sentence "On 4 September T196 along with the pre-dreadnought battleship Schleswig-Holstein and the old minesweeper Von der Gronen (formerly M107), bombarded Westerplatte". Could you double check that source? Polish Wikipedia article about the battle describes the other ship as a torpedo boat T-963, but frankly I cannot find any source to verify either of those ships (particularly T-963; can't even verify such a ship existed). Trying to confirm M107's presence at Westerplatte pretty much seems to go back to our article, too (and Chronology of the War At Sea 1939–1945. has no online previews, and no copy near me). PS. I wonder your source would include a date, according to the article, those torpedo boats only aided the attack on a single day, Sept 4th? PPS. File:Westerplatte en.PNG current map describes the ships as '2 torpedo boats'. PPPS. M107 was a broken link, but I piped it to German minesweeper M 107. I guess T-963 is an error? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:09, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Disambiguation link notification for September 19An automated process has detected that when you recently edited No. 39 Squadron RAF, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Canal Zone (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). (Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 09:16, 19 September 2018 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for October 13An automated process has detected that when you recently edited HMS Talybont (L18), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Charlestown (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). (Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 09:17, 13 October 2018 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for October 21An automated process has detected that when you recently edited HMS Agincourt (D86), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Appledore (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). (Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 09:26, 21 October 2018 (UTC) MiddlesbroughHello and thanks for all your work on ship articles. You might want to note that Middlesbrough is usually spelt thus, without the O, so that it is "brough" rather than "borough". Hope this helps, best wishes DBaK (talk) 08:20, 13 November 2018 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for November 13An automated process has detected that when you recently edited HMS Lynx (1894), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Stoker (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). (Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 09:27, 13 November 2018 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for December 2An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Short Sandringham, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Rochester (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). (Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 09:14, 2 December 2018 (UTC) Airedale articleHi Nigel Ish. I have to say it's been quite impressive how you have improved HMS Airedale (L07) from a single-sentence stub (in which pretty much all of the other content had to be removed and revdeleted as a copyvio) to what it currently is. I know others have been involved, but you have done the yeoman's work; so, job well done. Disambiguation link notification for December 9An automated process has detected that when you recently edited HMS Benbow (1885), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Blackwall (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). (Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 09:37, 9 December 2018 (UTC) HMS CattistockI noticed that you have English's book on Hunt-class destroyers, and I would like to expand that article, which I created years ago as a stub. Since English isn't easy to get access to on this side of the Atlantic, would it be possible for you to send scans of the entry for Cattistock in English's book? Thanks, Kges1901 (talk) 13:56, 9 December 2018 (UTC) XmasHartmannThanks for the effort. Dapi89 (talk) 13:52, 20 January 2019 (UTC) Please avoid making edits or claims if you have clearly not read the changes.You are making changes and adding tags to the Tornado article without having read the changes. This is completely clear because YOU TAGGED A REFERENCE WITH A TAG REQUESTING A REFERENCE. You clearly did not even read the changes if you did not see that it was already referenced. Please avoid making changes and edit warring when you clearly have not read the changes.  Your recent editing history at Panavia Tornado shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. DbivansMCMLXXXVI (talk) 23:29, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
ThanksThanks for taking a look at the edits made by citation bot initiated by me, I try to look for bad edits and revert them however some inevitability slip by so an extra pair of eyes for sure helps. I have filled bug reports for a couple of the bad edits so they should not happen anymore in the future. Thanks again,Redalert2fan (talk) 21:11, 9 February 2019 (UTC) RAF Tornado listHello, I understand why you removed the list of RAF Tornados as it is very long (and perhaps too much for the main article) but I'm wondering if there is a suitable place for it. There's a comparable list of the RAF Phantoms, albeit shorter, showing that there is relevance to having a list of air frames. So would the Tornado list be appropriate on a separate/new article dedicated to RAF Tornados like the RAF Phantom article or one simply just for the serials (which I believe is warranted)? Or equally does it have no valid place despite a similar list existing on the RAF Phantom page? Thanks, F4JPhantomII (talk) 15:31, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello Nigel
MiG-21 UpdateI am only adding neutral information from known sources about the loss of a MiG-21 Bison on a MiG-21 site. Please stop your disruption by adding unrelated information that has yet to be verified — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayonpradhan (talk • contribs) 21:28, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Su-30 MKI shooting downGive me a few mins I'm adding more citations. Faraz (talk) 20:57, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
AGFHello! Just a reminder to WP:assume good faith. There are a lot of problems with the proposals made by User:Faraz, but it may be incorrect to assert that they are intentionally misrepresenting sources. It could be that they misunderstood the sources. Another Indian jet of a different model was indeed shot down, so they may have confused reporting on that jet for reporting on the allegedly shot down Sukhoi Su-30.
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Focke-Wulf Fw 189Greetings: I have discovered something that I should have verified before I started making changes. I apologize for neglecting to do before. When I originally viewed the WIKI page on the Focke-Wulf Fw 189, I did so from my Kindle reader (mistake #1); I also performed the changes to the WIKI Fw 189 page based on how it appears via Kindle’s apparently out-of-date WWW Browser (mistake #2). What I had intended to correct was the hideous way that the Fw 189 WIKI article appears on my Kindle. Now that I have viewed the Fw 189 WIKI article on one computer, running Windows & Internet Explorer, and another computer, an iPad running Safari, both of which show the Fw 189 WIKI article properly formatted, I see the error of my ways! I assumed that all WWW & Wikipedia users saw the Fw 189 WIKI article in the same hideous way it appears on Kindle - with a 75%/25% split between a blank area on the left side of the page and the thumbnail images on the right side of the page, then, after the images, the text is correctly formatted. If I had known that 99.9% (or more) of the world sees the page correctly formatted, I would not have entered the <br> HTML tags. By entering the "break" tags, the Fw 189 WIKI article appears correctly formatted on Kindle. Again, I apologize. All The Best, Robert Ternes Rtmorphine (talk) 00:50, 5 July 2019 (UTC) rtmorphine Disambiguation link notification for July 8An automated process has detected that when you recently edited HMS Griffon (1896), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Anglesea (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). (Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 18:15, 8 July 2019 (UTC) Edits on S-200 missile page regarding Cyprus & sockpuppetryHi Nigel, I thought I'd just get in touch with you to alert you to the fact that the two accounts (User:Srarfgen_Wiston and User:Blass12334) used to make the changes to the S-200 (missile) article regarding the incident in Cyprus seem to have the same political agenda as User:Micheledisaveriosp, and are both clearly fake sock puppet accounts. I'm not saying there is a direct connection - I'm assuming someone with admin-level access to user IPs could elicit that information - but clearly there's something going on. You might want to keep an eye on this in the future, if not take action now. My reversion of the edit has added the article to my watchlist, so I'll keep an eye on it, but I already have a very full watchlist and to-do list here on WP, so I'm not going to get involved directly in edits unless this happens again. Best, Cadar (talk) 18:58, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Disambiguation link notification for July 15An automated process has detected that when you recently edited HMS Alarm (1910), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Newhaven (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). (Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 13:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for July 22An automated process has detected that when you recently edited USS Richard Bulkeley (1917), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Trawler (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). (Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 08:45, 22 July 2019 (UTC) f4 phantom civillian operators sectioni don't understand why you removed my addition the the civillian operator section. i added a link in there to prove that it was true. you want to see the link again: https://www.platinumfighters.com/phantom2
2019 English Channel Piper PA-46 crashYou have removed my edit adding a description of the Malibu cabin heating system which is described by a diagram in the Pilots Manual. I put this in the Investigation section because it seemed relevant to the recent finding of CO poisoning. If you prefer it elsewhere, I could put it in the Aircraft Description section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbees44 (talk • contribs) 11:02, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
De Havilland CometPlease read WP:CITEDENSE carefully before commenting or acting further on my revert. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 11:02, 24 August 2019 (UTC) hp and shpThanks for reviewing the bot edits! It's greatly appreciated. I've fixed all the issues encountered and they shouldn't happen again, but I have one thing I'm wonderingabout and that is hp and shp. Are they the same thing? They both have the same value but it seems like it's measured at different points? If they're measured at different points why don't we have the same distinction for kW. The template currently struggles a bit with this distinction, which I will fix, but it would be useful knowing what the actual difference is. --Trialpears (talk) 17:39, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
An-12It was already divided but a complete mess. Now it is readable--Petebutt (talk) 15:36, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
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Royal Navy mutiny of 1919I saw you reverted my inclusion of the HMS Velox in the Royal Navy mutiny of 1919. If you click in the link you can see where it is cited. If it is cited in the Mutiny article does it have to be cited in the ship article too? -- Thats Just Great (talk) 22:53, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
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