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Thoreau edit

I've reverted your revert and provided a full explanation on the article's Talk page. Before casually making substantitive changes to entries, which often involve a lot of hard work and time, it's good practice and good manners to read any accompanying citations. One of them fully answered the question you posed. Thanks. Engleham (talk) 07:43, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

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ASMR

That's great that you think the videos are suitable. I can leave it there. If I find others, I'll let you know so you can consider if you think they improve on what is there. Many thanks. Prolumbo (talk) 13:52, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

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Me granger

I hate to correct you but I played college basketball and I happen to know for a fact that the men's 3 point line is a little over a foot farther than the women's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.4.113.70 (talk) 04:55, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Too much waffle about people none of which invented the television. Baird appears to be mentioned as one name amongst the many. This is totally misleading. John Logie Baird was the inventor of the television. All others mentioned none of which can lay claim to that title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.184.20 (talk) 00:39, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Please discuss your warning with me here

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Question

Sorry to disturb you kind sir, but can you please tell me what was wrong with my edit to the "Turn of the century" article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alinstoian (talk • contribs) 21:33, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Alinstoian, thanks for your message. The material you added, while amusing to Dear Hank and John listeners, is not a significant piece of information about the phrase "turn of the century". (For more guidance, see Wikipedia:Relevance of content and Wikipedia:Handling trivia.) Moreover, your phrasing ("Proof of John Green being a genius") was not neutral. —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:45, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

So, can we integrate a trivia section in the page? After all, John Green was included in the 2014 Time's list of 100 most influential people... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alinstoian (talk • contribs) 11:15, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

If independent reliable sources (sources not produced by John Green) about the phrase "turn of the century" discuss Green's comment, then perhaps it would be worth including. Otherwise, a minor comment made by a podcaster is not important enough for inclusion in the article about a 100-year-old phrase. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:58, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

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Are you a believer? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.171.121.20 (talk) 05:43, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar

I just read this article (from 2015) about a probably fake statement (involving Henry David Thoreau and neckbeards) making the rounds on the internet. Fortunately, as mentioned in that article, you had already spotted and removed it from the Wikipedia article the year before, after diligently checking the sources. Thanks for defending Wikipedia's reliability! HaeB (talk) 05:15, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:36, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Tweaks on Latin letter articles

I see you also reverted some edits by M briglia05. Do you think we should escalate this matter? I ask because you can see from this section that the same sort of incident happened before. After I sent that message, their serial edits changing letter names did seem to stop, but now it looks like it's starting all over again. LjL (talk) 15:37, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

If they continue after the last warning you gave, perhaps we should do something about the situation. —Granger (talk · contribs) 16:10, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Reported to ANI because he's been doing it again today. LjL (talk) 15:12, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

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/* Cast */ Clarified true identity of Zodiac Killer

I think your reversal of my edit is extremely offensive. It is plainly clear to everyone who is paying attention that the senator is in fact the infamous serial killer. Wake up, sheeple! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3BFC:B430:69EC:CF54:E1F9:2634 (talk) 00:48, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

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Friend zone

Hi, thank you for your support :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.193.217.151 (talk) 21:27, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Please stop the comedienne -> comedian changes

GNL says nothing about changing comedienne -> comedian. In fact it says the opposite..."Where the gender is known, gender-specific items are also appropriate ("Bill Gates is a businessman" or "Nancy Pelosi is a congresswoman"). So if the gender is known, which it is in almost all cases of your changes, leave it as comedienne. It's also why we have actress and actor, as there is nothing wrong with that. Those you changed should all be changed back. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:43, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

That is not correct. MOS:GNL says, "Use gender-neutral language where this can be done with clarity and precision." It does not say "Where the gender is known, gender-specific items are also appropriate", or anything to that effect. Perhaps you are looking at WP:GNL, which is only an essay, not a policy or guideline. MOS:GNL is a guideline, and it supports the changes I am making. Moreover, this discussion showed consensus for the use of "comedian" rather than "comedienne". —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:48, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Which the MOS specifically gives a link to for examples. And the sentences are about one gender. Now the discussion you mentioned does seem to favor consensus in using comedian over comedienne, but not because of GNL. It's because of common English usage. Comedienne is not as common a word these days as comedian, where something like actress is heavily used over the term actor. I'll tell you what...I won't complain further if your summaries say it's consensus "common usage" rather than GNL. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:17, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

I'll just link to the discussion in my edit summaries—I assume that will be satisfactory to both of us. —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:19, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not a fan of "comedienne", but I'd definitely raise an eyebrow (or two) if someone started mass-changing "actress" into "actor". LjL (talk) 21:20, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

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Sorry my kid ran and deleted all my work I

yelled at him Sorry  — Preceding unsigned comment added by WulfeDiamonds (talk • contribs) 23:47, 30 March 2016 (UTC) 

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Authoress

Hi, Mr G. I see you recently changed "authoress" to "author" in an article. I understand that in the US male terms like "author" are strongly preferred to female terms like "authoress"; however, this is not a universal view. Other parts of the world celebrate female terms, for example "actresses" may prefer to be called that and not "actors" which makes them sound male. So I'm not sure we should automatically change them. --Bermicourt (talk) 08:37, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Bermicourt. To my ears, the word "authoress" is dated and anachronistic (confirmed somewhat by wikt:authoress, where it is labeled "dated", and by Google Books, where most uses of "authoress" since 1990 seem to be either written by non-native speakers, deliberately using anachronistic language, or discussing the word itself)—certainly it is dated in American English. Is there another variety of English in which the word "authoress" is still in wide use and the word "author" sounds male? The word "actress" is a very different case—it is still very widely used, at least in the varieties of English that I am familiar with. —Granger (talk · contribs) 09:46, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Seeing no response, I've changed the word back to "author" in Müden (Örtze). —Granger (talk · contribs) 17:53, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

As I explained, it's mainly in the US where political correctness has led to the abandonment of many female terms because they are seen as somehow derogatory; in other parts of the English speaking world that is not necessarily the case. Since Wikipedia doesn't express a preference for US English, authoress ought to be fine, especially as we're talking about a German and they definitely celebrate their women with female work titles like Autorin.

BTW it is not good practice to revert edits during a discussion. If you want to alert the person to the fact that you've made a response, you just need to leave a note or "talkback" template on their talk page. To that end, I've returned the article to the original text. See WP:BRD for the recommended procedure. Cheers. Bermicourt (talk) 18:30, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

I apologize; I assumed that you would have put my talk page on your watchlist when you started this discussion. I'll make sure to use the talkback template from now on.

Thanks for your reply. From your comment that "it's mainly in the US where political correctness has led to the abandonment of many female terms because they are seen as somehow derogatory", I infer that you mean that the word "authoress" is still in common use in the rest of the English-speaking world. As far as I can tell, this is not the case—"authoress" is rare. As an experiment, I did a search for "author J K Rowling" and "authoress J K Rowling" in quotation marks on Google News. The phrase "author J K Rowling" got about 400 results (including results from Scotland, England, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India, and Malaysia), whereas "authoress J K Rowling" got only 3. The fact is, the word "authoress" is no longer commonly used in English. —Granger (talk · contribs) 19:08, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Ok, no worries. I don't think it's common, but like "connexion" it's not wrong. My sense is that Wikipedia should reflect the real world and where words are uncommon, but still in use, their occasional use on Wikipedia should not be a problem. Having searched on "authoress", there are very few instances of it anyway on Wikipedia except when it forms a title, so it already reflects reality. But if it's that important to you to change it, I won't stand in your way. Enjoy the rest of the weekend. --Bermicourt (talk) 20:42, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I've changed it to "author" again. Thank you for your flexibility and agreeableness. Cheers! —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:44, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

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Drumpf

You're right! I'm sorry, and thanks for spotting that :) Pikolas (talk) 16:56, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Drumpfinator

LOL I am so sorry you keep having to fix that, I turned off the Trump thing entirely, really it was so unprofessional of me to not do so immediately. (I didn't think I'd be editing any page with Trump on it so I didn't bother because I read a lot of news and it makes things less painful somehow.) Ogress 21:54, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

No problem—it's understandable. Thank you for turning it off, and I hope the news gets less painful soon (although that might be too much to hope for until November...). —Granger (talk · contribs) 06:15, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

revision 715375736

Why'd you change my revision? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teodan511 (talk • contribs) 22:52, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

As I said in my edit summary, Brady Haran is not the only person who has called Bhutan the "Forbidden Kingdom". He's not even an exceptionally important one, and he does not merit mention on the disambiguation page. —Granger (talk · contribs) 06:15, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

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Jamar Clark Wikipedia entry is the most inaccurate and speculative wiki article I have ever read. Suggest major edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:445:4101:E860:743E:6E06:BBC1:5B7F (talk) 04:31, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

comedienne

Thanks for the style comment and link. Interesting. I accept the argument that by Wikipedia policy 'comedian' is the preferred choice, though am unhappy with it. The context on this page is trivial, but less so historically. The danger I perceive is that of losing historical neutrality. Sallie Turner described herself as a comedienne in her 1851 census returns, and she was described as such in her father’s obituary in The Era 1891. Also, the word ‘comedienne’ is clearly archaic, whereas the word comedian carries a modern sense which did not apply to her (nor to her father!). Adjectives are sometimes better than nouns. However, I’ve decided that in the context of the paragraph the word is redundant and I will probably remove it. Petrosbizar (talk) 07:14, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

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If he thinks Hitler was good

This guy is a disgrace to human kind, not only was he quoted on saying hitler had the right idea he thinks the blacks in America should be monitored by breeding and said only that hitler went a "little" too far. Who cares if he played hockey and shot some goals, he is too dumb to be shooting off his ignorant mouth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.253.46.220 (talk) 00:57, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Transformers : 5 Face Of Darkness

Mr Grainer I am Add New Autobots, Decepticons and Humans For Transformers: 5 Faces Of Darknesss in the List OF the Transformers Film Series Characters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.88.215.14 (talk) 16:40, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Just make sure to cite a reliable source that supports the information you're adding. For more information, see Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Citing sources. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:42, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Changing Flaggy Flag Back to the Real Flag

Hey there,

In the most recent Hello Internet podcast (#61), Grey mentions that he saw that someone had changed the nail and gear flag to the Flaggy flag on the CGP Grey wikipeadia page, and that he was appalled at this. The section from the podcast is in the references by the way.[1] I was curious and looked through the edit history and found that on May 3rd, someone had changed the flag on the page to Flaggy Flag, and 5 hours later, you changed it back. I think that its an awfully big coincidence that Grey just to happened to see his Wikipedia page for those specific 5 hours and it was changed back later by someone else. Since CGP Grey seems like the type of person who would have a wikipedia account, I don't think it's too far to think that he would change the flag back if he saw that it was changed. This lead me to believe that you, sir, are actually CGP Grey! Shocking, I know. I know that it's entirely possible that you're not Grey, though. For instance, it IS entirely possible that Grey doesn't have a wikipedia account and that someone else changed it back, since it seems like the page was fairly active at that time, and a revision 5 hours later wasn't entirely uncommon. As a counterpoint, if I had a Wikipedia page about me, I would go in to edit any inaccuracies, even anonymously. Since your account isn't anonymous and you were the one that changed the flag back to the Nail and Gear, that points to you being CGP Grey. Another point of evidence is that the page was edited at 3:00 pm in London time, a plausible time for Grey to be browsing his wikipedia page (possibly taking a break from his work?). It was also edited around ~8:00am in American time, a time when much less americans are on their computers. Since I assume that a majority of the Hello Internet Fanbase is American, it makes it much more likely that either Grey or a fan in a European time zone did the edit. additionally, the username "Mr.Granger" has the word "Grey" in it when you pronounce it (Grey-n-jer). One last piece of evidence pointing towards you being CGP Grey is that the revision was made without a comment, which is something Grey would do since he would probably not want to alert anyone of his identity. A fan who isn't worrying about anyone finding out their identity would probably include a comment insulting the Flaggy Flag scum that DARED to defile the valiant Nail and Gear. That last piece of evidence is admittedly the weakest one to be honest. Also, sorry if this isn't the correct way to contact you, I don't know if Wikipedia has a private message system since I made my account just about an hour ago so I could write this message.

Whether or not you are CGP Grey, I hope you enjoyed reading this at the very least. I personally have to stop procrastinating by writing long notes to random wikipedia users. I wish you the best, whether you're actually Grey or some other Wikipedia user.

Cheers!

-Daniel K. (A Hello Internet Fan) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HighlyProfessional (talk • contribs) 05:41, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

References

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVCpWoDpO3w&feature=youtu.be&t=21m33s

@HighlyProfessional: Hi Daniel. I am not CGP Grey, but it seems that he does have a Wikipedia account: User:CGPGrey. You're right that I made the edit from Europe, though. —Granger (talk · contribs) 17:20, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

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Mr Granger I want to Add New Autobots, Decepticons and Humans For Transformers 5 Film to Help Michael Bay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomastylr (talk • contribs) 01:53, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

@Thomastylr: Wikipedia does not allow original research, so please make sure your changes are supported by a reliable source. If the information hasn't already been published by a reliable source, it is not appropriate for Wikipedia. —Granger (talk · contribs) 07:49, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Wiktionary as a reference

Hello Mr Granger,

I would be grateful if you would explain why you have removed references to Wiktionary in some articles, giving the edit summary "removing/replacing citations to Wiktionary, which is not a reliable source", sometimes replacing the reference with an inline link to Wiktionary. Sometimes the Wiktionary page to which you have allowed a link, itself has a reference to a reliable source (as in the case of "χόρτος" in the Horticulture article), other times not (as in the case of fluorophenyl in Aprepitant). On at least one other occasion you have linked to a "dot.com" (eg. in the case of "http://www.dictionary.com/browse/homonymous" in Homonym).

As an editor who mostly only writes/expands plant articles, I have used Wiktionary as a source, probably 1,500 times. If it is not appropriate to do so, I will need to make changes. That will not be difficult, because the journals and monographs I use give the same etymology or definitions as Wiktionary - it will just be tedious. In using Wiktionary in this way, I relied on Wikipedia:Wikimedia sister projects, especially the clause "Wikipedia encourages links from Wikipedia articles to pages on sister projects when such links are likely to be useful to our readers".

A clarification (on your talk or mine) would be much appreciated. Thank you. Gderrin (talk) 00:39, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

@Gderrin: Thanks for the message. Like Wikipedia, Wiktionary is user-generated and not a reliable source—see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 7#Wiktionary a source? for a past discussion. Some of the guidance at WP:CIRCULAR is also relevant. The sentence from Wikipedia:Wikimedia sister projects seems to be talking about links in the External links section and maybe wikilinks, not citations. —Granger (talk · contribs) 06:01, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Namesake

Please do not edit-war with me. Please undo your re-reversion on "Namesake". I will then be willing to discuss the question on that article's talk page. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 20:49, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

@Jdcrutch: Thanks for the message. Wiktionary would be acceptable as a primary source for statements about Wiktionary itself, but it is not acceptable as a secondary source. Much of what is stated at WP:CIRCULAR applies to Wiktionary as well as to Wikipedia. For past discussion, see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 7#Wiktionary a source?. Of course, I would be happy to discuss this further, here or at Talk:Namesake. —Granger (talk · contribs) 06:01, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

I am not willing to discuss anything while you are edit-warring. Restore the status quo ante, and we can then have a civil discussion. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 15:40, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm not going to re-add a citation to a source that consensus has found to be unreliable. I have no intention of edit-warring, though—if you re-add the citation, I won't remove it again without discussion. I don't see how its inclusion could be defensible, though, per the reasoning in my last comment. —Granger (talk · contribs) 15:52, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

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List of Autobots

Sorry, I modified this page because I just want contributing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.137.76.38 (talk) 19:56, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

You are welcome (and encouraged) to add more information to the page—just make sure to include a reference to a reliable source that supports the information you're adding. See Wikipedia:Citing sources for more information. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:01, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

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Insignifcant & poorly phrased

The addition of the "ex porn star and call girl" should not be removed, because that is the truth of the former girlfriend for David Garrett. What do you suggest? Sex worker? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beingcorrect (talk • contribs) 22:56, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

"Sex worker" would be better, but the use of the informal phrase "porn star" is not the only problem with your edit. In the phrase "a former ex-porn star and call girl girlfriend", "former" and "ex-" seem to be redundant, and the phrase is confusing altogether. Moreover, "call girl" doesn't seem to be supported by the sources. And more importantly, what is the relevance of the former girlfriend's job to the article? —Granger (talk · contribs) 06:27, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

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My edits I made are actually correct, and the ones on the pages aren't. Unfriended was released in April 2015, not 2014. Creep was released in June 2015, not 2014. Check IMDb or Blumhouse's website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.59.219.84 (talk) 12:35, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

@174.59.219.84: Thanks for the message. Unfriended was originally released at film festivals in 2014 (source). Likewise with Creep (source). —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:39, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

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Hiag Akmakjian Edit

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Can you please tell me what I need to do to improve the Hiag Akmakjian article? I tried to follow existing writer templates. What news sources are required? Reviews of his books in the 1970s pre-date the Web, and so I'm not sure what else I can find. Is the objection that a published authors of multiple books does not deserve an article of his own unless he or she has done what? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by StopWriteThere (talk • contribs) 01:55, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

@StopWriteThere: Thanks for the message. To demonstrate that the article is suitable for inclusion on Wikipedia, you would need to give multiple reliable sources independent of Akmakjian that discuss him or his body of work in detail. See WP:General notability guideline and WP:AUTHOR for more information. The sources do not need to be online, though; older reviews published in print are acceptable sources. —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:51, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Dahar (band)

Dahar (band) article need of help.. I can't solve it..because I have no experience... so please solve it..as you added tag on my article...Nijwmsa Boro (talk) 16:43, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Conversely, is there any reason you think the article shouldn't be speedy deleted under criterion A7? —C.Fred (talk) 17:33, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

No. I believe that A7 applies, and I tagged the article accordingly, but User:Niezwmxa Boro removed the template, so I was forced to use the longer AfD process. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:30, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

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What is a recommended source for confirming the birthdate of a living person? 68.94.1.32 (talk) 23:40, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

A source published by Flauding himself, or a reliable secondary source, such as a newspaper article, book, or review of Flauding's work, would be an acceptable source. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:33, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Tell me what's needed

Instead of telling me repeatedly what not to do, how about telling me what you will accept. None of the professional musicians' pages on Wikipedia seem to require documentation for birthdates, and I'm curious why Mr. Flauding's entry does. If there is no other way, then tell me please what is an acceptable source. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.94.1.32 (talk) 16:33, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Ideally, all birth dates (and other information) in Wikipedia articles should be verifiable (see WP:Verifiability). Of course, Wikipedia is imperfect and a work in progress, but that is the goal. As I said in the section above, a source published by Flauding himself, or a reliable secondary source, such as a newspaper article, book, or review of Flauding's work, would be an acceptable source. See WP:Identifying reliable sources and WP:Biographies of living persons for more information. —Granger (talk · contribs) 16:38, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. I understand. I have spent several days searching for a published birthdate reference, tried several things unsuccessfully (as you of course know), and contacted Mr. Flauding, all without success. Failing in that, I would like to appeal for an exemption for this information. I have examined the Wikipedia entries for several of Mr. Flauding's contemporaries with whom he has performed and collaborated (including Eric Marienthal, Russell Ferrante, Wayne Bergeron, John Patitucci, Bob James, Richard Elliot, Rick Braun, and Michel Camilo), and in none of these entries is the date of birth footnoted. Would you please consider removing the citation-required marker for the Flauding listing? Thank you. Jimnblack (talk) 19:36, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

WP:Verifiability applies to all Wikipedia articles, including Ric Flauding. There should be citations for the birth dates in the other articles you mentioned as well. The article Eric Marienthal already has a citation for the date of birth in the lead paragraph; I've added {{citation needed}} tags to some of the others. —Granger (talk · contribs) 19:51, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

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Are you reading the same sources I am? In Jane Doe's lawsuit she admitted the sex was consensual, but used the "regret equal rape" argument which was promulgated by a W&L professor Lauren Kozak. This is the heart of controversy in this case, not the the consent. This is also the first time a gray rape accusation made it to legal hearing. They settle out of court, part of the agreement was to deny Jane Doe had heard the "regret equals rape" concept at Washington and Lee. [1] Valoem ^talk ^contrib 15:52, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Unless there are other sources that I haven't seen, some of what you've added to the article doesn't seem to be supported. I've explained in more detail at Talk:Gray rape. —Granger (talk · contribs) 16:06, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

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Do you have any evidence that the California Bureau for Private Postsecondary Education (BPPE) has approved the school to offer degrees ranging from the Bachelor of Arts/Theology, .... Doctor of Theology, and Doctor of Philosophy in 2012 ? I'd appreciate if you give me the information.218.238.188.142 (talk) 02:09, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid I don't know anything about the California Graduate School of Theology. I suggest posting on the article's talk page to see if anyone watching it can help. —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:00, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

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Adding Reliable Sources for Minh Quan Phan's Wikidiapage.

Hi Mr. Granger,

My name is Minh Quan Phan. I'm a composer and pianist which can find out in some media and music network like iTunes, Spotify, Vevo and MTV. First, I wish you all the best. However, I write this message to you because I saw that you're require my wikipedia page "Minh Quan Phan" adding reliable sources of biograpgy living person. I just do it by adding more source about my work, videos, musics of me and some article. Nowadays, Internet an Media is something very important for all musicians like me to help our audience know about their favourite artist and musicians information. That's why I create myself a wikipedia page and also a wikidata to help my audience indentify my music and some of my biography. By approve my wikipedia page, you're help me alot of my career by now and future. If there is any information need to adding, please let me know. Thank you for your time by reading this message. I'm looking foward from you.

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Please stop...

...changing aviatrix on pages to aviator. "Aviatrix" may be an archaic term now but it is still in most of the cases where you have changed it a valid one, and there is no WP:CONSENSUS for this change to be made, especially en masse. I have reverted the changes as controversial; if you believe this change should still be made, please start a discussion at WT:AVIATION to gain WP:CONSENSUS for this move. Thank you. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:55, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

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Prince de Merode

I do not respect your request of changing the title. In Belgium the Prince is highly respected by his Majesty. You do not know where you are talking about!!! There has not been any discussion anywhere??? Please undo this change.--Carolus (talk) 21:50, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. Per WP:COMMONNAME, "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's 'official' name as an article title; it generally prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." In English-language reliable sources, he is almost always referred to as "Emmanuel de Merode‎", not "Prince Emmanuel de Merode‎". —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:55, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

That is ridiculous, in Belgian and French Media he is respected as Prince. English media is stupid, they present him qs Doctor??? in Belgium we know how Britisch media works, no high standarts. So why hasn't there been any discussion? --Carolus (talk) 13:47, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

I understand that you do not like the way he is referred to in English-language sources, but those are the sources we follow for article titles.

I didn't start a discussion because I did not expect the move to be controversial. You are welcome to start a discussion at Talk:Emmanuel de Merode if you want, but I do not think that would be productive, because WP:COMMONNAME is clear on this issue. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:56, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Arthur Mariano

Hi. You have removed the information i have added. This information is real and not some false info added by some fan. This information is also concerning a live person, it is very offensive to see someone who is not aware of this legit news, removing the information. Meredith is such a cute gal and i will not let someone just take this information concerning Arthur and Meredith down. Also mind the word 'rumored'. This will only be temporary so please i hope you will not take this down again. Thanks for understanding. 115.164.95.120 (talk) 15:00, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia should only include information that comes from a reliable source. This policy is especially important for information about living people. See WP:Verifiability and WP:Biographies of living persons. Do not re-add the material about Mariano's rumored relationship without a reliable source. —Granger (talk · contribs) 15:05, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

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Aviatrix

Hi Mr. Granger, two things. What is wrong with the word "aviatrix"? And if you change it to "aviator", it is certainly not a minor edit, so please do not tick the minor edit box. Why? Here's what the guidelines say (emphasis added by me): "A minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute." Schwede66 21:24, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Schwede66. I made the change per MOS:GNL. Also, see WT:Aviation#"Aviatrix" for a discussion that has established clear consensus about "aviatrix" specifically. When I edit a page to conform with the MOS, I usually believe the edit to be uncontroversial and mark it as minor. I was following that rule of thumb in this case, but maybe you have a point—there were a couple of dissenting voices in that discussion, so I suppose it's not true that it could never be the subject of a dispute. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:19, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the links. Maybe you should include those links in your edit summary. If it has found its way into MOS, and the issue was discussed and agreed on at WT:Aviation (even with minority dissent), then I would say that it's an uncontroversial change that could be marked as minor. But the edit summary is necessary to make that clear, I suggest. Schwede66 00:11, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Good point—a few minutes ago I had the same thought about including the links. I'll keep marking the edits as minor, then, but I'll make sure to link to the discussion in the edit summary. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:13, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Accidental reverte

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Tania Marmolejo

Dear Mr. Granger, I'm an author and art critic working in the edition of a prominent artist. I have authorization to use the images that I am uploading and the text, that was written by me, by the way. Also, on eof the links the bot has removed is a well know art magazine Irreversible based in Miami, Florida. And I don't really understand why is in your black list of sites. While you are using a robot to check my edition, there is a human being in this side of the network trying to contribute and facing a lot of frustration every time i publish a change and receive a wrong filter message I would appreciate very much your help in this matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RabbiBragi (talk • contribs) 01:46, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi RabbiBragi. Let me address the issues one by one.

First, the link addition that was reverted by the User:XLinkBot. If the link satisfies WP:External links, you can re-add it, as XLinkBot indicated on your user talk page.

Second, the text of the article, which appears to be mostly copied from [2] or another external site. If you really are the copyright holder and you are willing to release the text under Wikipedia's licenses, please indicate this by following the instructions at WP:DONATETEXT.

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Regardless, please do not remove the speedy deletion template from the article. Please let me know if you have any questions. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:57, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

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Request about the User:MehrdadFR

Hello.

The User:MehrdadFR (talk) reverted your neutral edition in the article Hijab by country, because he is constantly reverting neutral and third party information and sources about the hijab in Iran, and is almost exclusively using POV (that is pro-government) language about the hijab in Iran (that may contradict academic sources which have no internet links) and is relying on sources based in Iran that naturally favor the Iranian policy on the hijab (and not on all third party and academic sources), as you can see in the Iran section of that article as well as in the Women in Iran article. He uses weasel words (that are commonly used by Iranian government sources) such as "the official reveiling in 1984" in both articles about the mandatory hijab for women. I reverted his reverts and clarified the sentences. Could you check this user and warn him about his use of POV and almost the expropriation of this subject? As I can see from this user's talk page, he also has a history of edit warring with other users in various articles, and has received warnings.

Thank you.

SednaXV (talk) 15:27, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Actually user SednaXV is problematic because he just don't like it, despite it's properly referenced, 100% academically, and balanced between Iranian and Western origin of publications (kinda irrelevant, because they both deal with the same - facts are facts). Alleged neutral third-party sources are pure rubbish, yellow journalism and even pure propaganda, in Iran founded as laughable. There's also tons of literature about manipulating this women's clothing subject, enough for very long article. "The official reveiling in 1984" does not refer to "parliament passing legislation making the veil mandatory for women" (as SednaXV has inserted), only to public announcement by domestic media. A pure manipulation of cited source, misleading to audience, so it's reverted. Text of law has been the same for decades (book V, chapter 18, article 141), before revolution and after, and actually contains only general guidelines of proper behavior in public places. It applies for both men and women, and does not mention anything about "veiled head" or "hair", in relation to women's clothing. Or either men's clothing; it does not mention male "shorts" or "three quarter pants", in urban public spaces seen as very impolite or prohibited. It's a typical legal text about public morality that can be found in most countries of the World, applied differently depending on local moral and ethical standards in a society. Some may find Iranian norms as weird, but IMHO Iranians are last who can fuss about it because their popular remarks about Arab niqabs and Afghan burqas are often more rude then right-wing European populists. Of course, they forget Westerners may say the same about their own, since it's more conservative (covers more). Or naked tribes from three continent against Western clothing. Another irony is that Iranians make jokes about Indians because they (mostly) don't eat cows, while themselves don't eat pigs (and cats, dogs - remark for Chinese users). Ethnocentric bigotry everywhere. --MehrdadFR (talk) 02:36, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

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Question about edit reversions

Hi Mr. Granger! Could you please help me understand why you reverted my edits to remove Category:Autobiographers from articles that are already in Category:Women autobiographers? Per Wikipedia:Categorization#Categorizing_pages, "each categorized page should be placed in all of the most specific categories to which it logically belongs. This means that if a page belongs to a subcategory of C (or a subcategory of a subcategory of C, and so on) then it is not normally placed directly into C." Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 20:12, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. The guideline that you quoted continues: "For exceptions to this rule, see Eponymous categories and Non-diffusing subcategories below." Category:Women autobiographers is a non-diffusing subcategory, one of the two exceptions listed, so it is appropriate for these articles to be included in both of the categories. For more information, see Wikipedia:Categorization#Non-diffusing subcategories. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:20, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

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Minh Quan Phan's wikipedia page

Hi Mr. Granger. First of all, I wish you have a wonderfuldday. However, would you please re-consideration about the speedy deletion of Minh Quan Phan's wikipedia page,[1] I have already edit and add an article as an reliable source for the page to meet Wikipedia requirement, please let me know any more information that you need to make the page is survive and live. Minhquanphan (talk) 20:02, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

References

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Ugent: User:MehrdadFR

Urgent.

Hello Mr. Granger.

The User:MehrdadFR seems to have a political agenda because he is putting information that is supporting the Islamic Republic of Iran POV, and is deleting other NPOV information and references from academic sources about contemporary (and controversial) subjects about Iran such as the hijab, chador, womens' rights etc. The problem is that this user has hijacked these issues, when the articles, content and references should be NPOV and sober.

Could you do something about this user?

Thank you.

Artoxx (talk) 15:27, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

I apologize for edit war, but seems like I was right - there was only one sock-puppet working against me - Artoxx & SednaXV were his accounts and now both are blocked with an expiration time of indefinite. User Ravensfire told me that I already broke 3RR, so despite the fact banned user has been reverting again, I won't make any reverts now (as I promised). --MehrdadFR (talk) 18:30, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about the sockpuppets, and thanks for opening the SPI.

Based on the article's talk page, there still seems to be consensus for including the disputed material, even after taking the sockpuppetry into account. So please don't remove the material again unless you can demonstrate consensus for its removal. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:37, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Granger, there is a current discussion about him and MehrdadFR, you please you could give your opinion here, hopefully we will come to a closure. Rupert Loup (talk) 00:34, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

I suggest anyone looking at this should first look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SednaXV Meters (talk) 00:53, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Political motivation when you removed text?

You removed the whitehouse visit count because you said the source was breibart. Well actually ot was not. The source was a link to whitehouse.gov. and you knew that. The breibart link was a second link added for support Regarding democrats paying for violence at trump rallies Page robert creamer democrat political consultant

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hDc8PVCvfKs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.58.33.144 (talk) 20:29, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

We normally don't include the number of times someone has visited the White House in their Wikipedia biography, even if it can be verified at whitehouse.gov. I don't see why Robert Creamer (political consultant)‎ should be an exception, unless we have a reliable secondary source to demonstrate the relevance of the information. —Granger (talk · contribs) 22:56, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

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Double redirects

Hello, just so you know. You can let bots fix double redirects. :) -- A Certain White Cat ^chi? 16:41, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I know—I usually only fix redirects when there's an unusual situation that the bots can't handle (as far as I know), such as a page that redirects to itself or that redirects to a deleted page. —Granger (talk · contribs) 17:27, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

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Re Kumasi Alumni

I wasn't suggesting the alumni in question weren't notable (although they don't have Wiki articles, which is a pretty good measure!). Please refer to the Talk page for my reasoning. It may, of course, be that you're quite right and they are not notable - I don't know Ghanaian culture! - in which they are best removed; I'd rather see them be recognised as notable and blue linked than removed altogether. I'm more concerned that I can't find any reliable source that states they are alumni of the school.Misha An interested observer of this and that 23:14, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

I agree that if they are not notable then they should not be listed, and if they are notable (and we can find reliable sources indicating that they are alums) then they should be listed. I just think that if we include them, they should be linked—if they're notable enough for inclusion, then a redlink is a good idea. After all, the point of redlinks is to encourage the creation of articles. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:12, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

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Dr. Brady Haran

You undid my edit but i would like you to know that Brady Haran was given a Honorary degree here is a quote from his Wikipedia page.

On 20 July, 2016, he was awarded a Doctor of Letters honoris causa by the University of Nottingham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Haran — Preceding unsigned comment added by Husthepus (talk • contribs) 21:25, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

@Husthepus: Per MOS:DOCTOR, titles like "Dr." should not be used in articles. I should have mentioned that in my message on your user talk page. —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:27, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

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Merry, merry!

From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:09, 24 December 2016 (UTC)