User talk:Mx. Granger/Archives/2014

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July 2007

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May 2009

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Speedy delete removal

Why did you delete the Speedy deletion A7 at Son of No One (film)? Only administrators may remove them after reviewing them, and your name is not included on the list. Until then I'm adding it back again. On the other hand, if you would like to request a hold on the delete, you may use the {{hang on}} template. Thank you, The^FSAviator ( T • C ) 04:43, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

• I'm sorry, my mistake. I thought any editor other than a page's creator was allowed to remove speedy deletions. Thank you for letting me know. Mr. Granger (talk) 05:52, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Actually, Aviator, that isn't true. WP:CSD says only the creator of the article cannot remove the speedy template. But it would help, Mr. Granger, if you stated why you don't think the articles in question qualify for speedy deletion. Erpert (let's talk about it) 07:41, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
    • Thanks for clearing that up. Sorry for misleading you! The^FSAviator ( T • C ) 21:39, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
      • No problem. I'll give an explanation in the future, Erpert. Mr. Granger (talk) 22:30, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Could you not remove valid speedy delete tags? 暴鯉龍 is not a feasible search term and was only made by an individual who has made questionable edits concerning the topic. That and "article is 'Storm Dragon Carp' in Chinese" is not a reason to keep the redirect.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:43, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

The Good Shepherd "Stellar cast"

In the info box for this article, under "Starring" there is a list of 10 stars of the film world, each one of which has unquestionably been a star of the film world in his or her own right for a good few years now. As you did not remove these from the infobox, I fail to see how it can be non-neutral to call this a stellar cast. Jodosma (talk) 17:09, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

• "Stellar" seemed like kind of a WP:PEACOCK word to me... Could we rephrase it as "with a supporting cast including many well-known film stars", or something like that? Mr. Granger (talk) 17:17, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

• • I hope ensemble resolves our little dispute.Jodosma (talk) 19:54, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikilinking

Hi, and thanks for your work on the English Wikipedia. Just a short note to point out that we don’t normally link:

• dates
• years
• commonly known geographical terms (including well-known country-names), and
• common terms you’d look up in a dictionary (unless significantly technical).

Thanks and my best wishes.

Tony (talk) 08:44, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Whoops!

Nice catch, sorry about that I have no idea why I did this edit! - Letsbefiends (talk) 08:35, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Apologies

Sorry to've reverted your edit on Gertie the Dinaosaur. I meant to revert the IP vandal who eidtied just before you. Curly Turkey (gobble) 08:12, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of arthropod alien species

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A kitten for you!

Thanks for the tip about creating links!

Transcendentalist01 (talk) 18:51, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Why do you undone the citation I has been added since the article need citation? at Yang (surname)

Hello.

Why do you undone the citation I has been added since the article need citation? at ADHZ07111989 (talk) 20:32, 27 March 2014 (UTC)Revision as of 18:41, 27 March 2014

Do you has another solution? Please don't to reckless.

Please, discuss it first.ADHZ07111989 (talk) 20:32, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

The reference also has been added, and you removed it too...ADHZ07111989 (talk) 20:35, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Your edit duplicated the entire contents of the page, creating two copies of the page, one after the other. That is why I undid it. If you want to add a reference, feel free, but please don't wreak havoc on the page in the process. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:37, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Ok then I will try harder, and improve it soon again. Thank's friend...ADHZ07111989 (talk) 20:45, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

I already added improved citation there. I need take a rest,now. But, Thank's... Pal...ADHZ07111989 (talk) 20:59, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Cititation

I Already insert the cititaion and there are already cititaion ref at the section.ADHZ07111989 (talk) 01:47, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for adding the citation - it's much appreciated. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:14, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Clara Bow

I have reverted your edits to this article, because you made an excessive number of deletions to the article without first discussing them on the article's talk page. Please take a moment to read WP:BRD, and follow the proscription there not to restore your changes, but to instead discuss them on the talk page. If and when you have a consensus from the editors there, then you can restore the changes, or whatever changes are agreed on. In the meantime, please leave the article in the status quo ante. Thanks, BMK (talk) 21:03, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I'm not really interested in a debate, though, so I'll just let you deal with the article as you see fit. Cheers! —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 21:07, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

St Crispin's Day Speech

Is there nothing that can be done for this? Bearian (talk) 23:15, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

If someone expands the article with information about the speech, rather than just reproducing the speech itself, then I'll probably support keeping it. But as it currently stands, it belongs on Wikisource, not Wikipedia. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 23:38, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Blended is NOT romantic.

I saw the movie it is not romantic and if it is then there is something wrong with the director so stop getting rid of my edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.129.82.156 (talk) 18:50, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Based on the description in the article it seems obvious that Blended fits the genre, and I've added a source that says as much as well. Please stop removing the word "romantic" unless you can give a good reason. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 18:58, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

YesAllWomen Article

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Apologies

It has been closed, but not hatted. Now hatted. Tutelary (talk) 23:17, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

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First Grove merged into San Rafael, California

I merged this instead of deleting it as you had proposed. Bearian (talk) 16:53, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, good idea. I'm adding a citation needed tag, though, because I can hardly find any mention of First Grove online, outside of Wikipedia mirrors. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 23:13, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Re: Mi Corazón Es Tuyo

Hi first of all, even before there was a problem by placing the titles lowercase and others reverted my edit, so this rule is not valid, and must first reach consensus to make these transfers, that's what I told me. Articles previously transferred.--Damián80 (talk) 14:44, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't quite understand. Are you saying there has already been a discussion about how to capitalize the title of this article? —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:45, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I had done before meet that rule, and I was struck by that reason, so if the rules are to be enforced in this article should be enforced at all.--Damián80 (talk) 14:55, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Me está resultando un poco difícil entenderte en inglés, así que sugiero que hablemos en español. (Para facilitar tu comprensión de lo que yo escribo, escribiré esto en español e inglés.) Esta página dice que en una situación como ésta, se debe usar costumbres españoles, no costumbres ingleses, para decidir cuáles letras poner en mayúscula. Por eso, el título del artículo debe ser "Mi corazón es tuyo", no "Mi Corazón Es Tuyo".

I'm finding it a bit difficult to understand you in English, so I suggest that we talk in Spanish. (To make it easy for you to understand what I'm writing, I'll write this in both Spanish and English.) This page says that in a situation like this, we should use Spanish customs, not English customs, to decide which letters to capitalize. For that reason, the title of the article should be "Mi corazón es tuyo", not "Mi Corazón Es Tuyo". —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 01:21, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Bueno, el problema está es en que el logo de la telenovela aparece como "Mi Corazón es Tuyo", anteriormente había hecho algunos traslados y había colocado los títulos en español en minúsculas, como dice esa regla de wikipedia, pero me revirtieron, así que no insistí y tuve problema por eso. Ahora si va a trasladar ese título, ¿por qué solo ese?, si las reglas se deben hacer cumplir para uno, se deben hacer cumplir para todos, hay muchos artículos de telenovelas mexicanas etc, que están en mayúsculas y nadie ha hecho nada.--Damián80 (talk) 01:31, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Estoy de acuerdo que las reglas se deben hacer cumplir igualmente para todos los artículos. Pues a mí me parece que todos los artículos de telenovelas latinas deben estar en minúsculas. En la categoría Category:Mexican telenovelas veo que muchos ya están así, aunque muchos otros no lo están.

¿Me puedes dar un vínculo a un artículo donde te han revertido así? —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 01:44, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh claro, Reina de Corazones, La Malquerida, En Otra Piel, si miras en el historial verás lo que digo. Por lo que se decidió dejar los títulos en mayúsculas, al igual me sucedió con una canción de Prince Royce la de Darte un Beso en donde también me revirtieron.--Damián80 (talk) 02:02, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Entiendo. Gracias por la clarificación. Me parece que esos usuarios probablemente no saben las reglas del uso de mayúsculas en títulos en idiomas extranjeros. Voy a trasladar las páginas En Otra Piel y Mi Corazón es Tuyo de regreso a los títulos en minúsculas, y en el resumen de edición incluiré un vínculo a la página de Wikipedia:Naming conventions. Si nadie me revierte, empezaré a trasladar los otros artículos sobre telenovelas a los títulos en minúsculas (siempre incluyendo ese vínculo en el resumen de edición para que los otros usuarios saben). ¿Qué te parece? —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 02:22, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Ok, entonces no tengo ningún problema, aunque debes tener cuidado con algunos artículos, porque hay algunas telenovelas que son apodos u otras que tienen como título el apellido de algún personaje.--Damián80 (talk) 02:27, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Ok, tendré cuidado. ¡Muchas gracias! —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 02:31, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Ay, parece que te di el vínculo equivocado. La página que incluye la regla no es Wikipedia:Naming conventions, sino Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization). Ese último es el que debemos usar en los resúmenes de edición. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 02:37, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Utilice el link incorrecto, utilizaré este, bueno gracias por la ayuda.--Damián80 (talk) 02:49, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

YesAllwomen and NotAllMen Redirect

Hello,

Thank you for helping to properly link to the NotAllMen RFD! I really appreciate it

A Canadian Toker (talk) 20:47, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for helping!

Thank you for helping me learn how to make edits that are more controversial than your usual grammar fix! I definitely missed that endnote on MOS/LEAD. But, I'm still a tad confused, and was hoping you could help. You say " we should not 'violate Wikipedia:Neutral point of view by giving undue attention to less important controversies in the lead section.'" How do we weigh the "importance" of controversies? I'm just confused b/c the president of the United States, who was a faculty member at UChicago, said this is a major issue and in turn established a task force. Understandably, UChicago is not the only school under investigation, and I will work on updating other universities. Thanks again for your help! Thebrycepeake (talk) 17:40, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Hmm. I'm not sure if I can give an exact level of importance that I think is sufficient for inclusion in the lead, but here's a possible litmus test: if a controversy is a major part of what the article's subject is known for, then that controversy probably deserves to be in the lead. For example, Wikipedia's article about Richard Nixon mentions Watergate in the lead—as it rightly should, because Watergate was a defining part of Nixon's presidency.

For a controversy to be worth mentioning in the very first paragraph of the article, I think it would have to be the primary reason for the subject's notability. Monica Lewinsky, for instance. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 23:26, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

I owe you an apology, because I didn't see your response before I did other edits. Please don't edit war me, but know that I will be posting this as a topic for discussion over at WT:UNI. Thebrycepeake (talk) 13:32, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	Thanks as always for helping clean up my quick work! Thebrycepeake (talk) 03:21, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 03:24, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

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Hey

Hola, disculpe que te moleste con esto, pero quería preguntarte si estás ediciones son correctas, por ejemplo acá, he revertido al usuario pero insiste en volver a colocar eso, he visto otras wikipedias y ningunas tienen este tipo de información. También ha hecho lo mismo en el artículo de Corazón valiente, tuve que revertir mis ediciones porque esto se volvió un caos. Solo era eso. Porque este tipo de ediciones me parecen innecesarias.--Damián (talk) 09:26, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Ese tipo de información me parece raro a mí también cuando es el único dato sobre el personaje que está incluído. Creo que lo que haría yo es reemplazar "Killed by X" por un pequeño resumen del personaje, el cual podría incluir cómo muere el personaje. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 15:52, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Eso mismo le he tratado de explicar, pero se ha detenido por ahora, decidió no seguir editando más, pero bueno. Gracias por su ayuda.--Damián (talk) 22:15, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

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Traslados de títulos

Hola, disculpe que te moleste otra vez; pero desearía saber si le puedes explicar al usuario ElNiñoMonstruo sobre los traslados de títulos a mayúsculas, es que como tu hablas mejor el inglés, y yo no, pues tal vez me pueda entender o no, pero hay un cierto problema con éste usuario y es que cree que yo solo lo molesto y me creo dueño de wikipedia. El mismo día en el que fui bloqueado vi que hizo una gran cantidad de traslados en artículos de telenovelas; pido tu ayuda porque se que este usuario le gusta generar guerras de ediciones y no desearía ganarme otro bloqueo más. hace poco inició una guerras de ediciones en el artículo de A Vida da Gente, y otro usuario tuvo que revertirlo. Por ahora tendré que trasladar varios títulos a minúsculas.--Damián (talk) 03:29, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Hola, gracias por avisarme. He escrito un mensaje en User talk:ElNiñoMonstruo para recordarle de la regla. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 03:55, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Hasta ahora no se ha iniciado ninguna guerra de ediciones, pero conozco a éste usuario, y siempre es así. Pero gracias por la ayuda.--Damián (talk) 04:05, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (capitalization)

Hola podrías participar en está discusión. Pues ya se ha armado un lío con todo esto; hay usuarios que dicen que da igual como vayan escritos los títulos en español, otros dicen que deben ir en mayúsculas y otros dicen que no. Sería bueno más participación allí. Para aclarar esto.--Damián (talk) 02:22, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Muchísimas gracias por avisarme. He añadido la página a mi Watchlist, y probablemente participaré en la discusión. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 02:37, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

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Ice Bucket Challenge

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Thank you! And thanks for the hard work yourself! —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 01:04, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

ALS charity table

Hi there Mr. G, I just reached out to a number of other charities on Twitter (MDA, Les Turner Foundation, Project ALS) hoping to get some more data from them on how much has been donated. The problem with the text (some of which I wrote) is that it's hard to parse, hard to update. A table is more scalable hence I put a fair amount of work into it! --PaulWicks (talk) 19:14, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi PaulWicks. I appreciate the work, but let me explain why I find the table confusing. The table throws a bunch of numbers together, but it's not very clear what those numbers mean or how they're relevant to the Ice Bucket Challenge. In contrast, the prose gives context and explains the importance of the numbers, and it also includes some information (such as the number of new donors to the ALS Association) that is left out of the table. As a side note, I don't see the importance of the Charity Navigator information at all. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 19:19, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

There's a new controversy breaking specifically about the allocation of dollars to research. Some people are suggesting we don't donate to the ALS charities because of it. I've been in ALS research since 2002 so trying to provide citable sources. If the CN scores aren't helpful I still feel a table is more useful. --PaulWicks (talk) 19:21, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, if that controversy is worth discussing in the article, maybe the CN information could be included as part of it.

I still think the table alone is confusing because it lacks context, and it leaves out valuable information. Here's a possible compromise: what if we cut down the prose you removed to just one paragraph, to give context and emphasize the importance of the increase in donations, and include a table as well to give more numerical information? —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 19:25, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. In the meantime I should have more data from the other orgs in the next few days so could flesh it out. Cheers! --PaulWicks (talk) 20:54, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

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Mitochondrial replacement

Thank you for responding to this edit request.

May I draw your attention to the Three-parent baby page on the off-chance you might know someone who'd care to give it some tlc? Mitochondrial replacement is in the news at the moment [1], and is likely to attract further media and public attention in the coming months. Regards, 86.134.200.29 (talk) 21:53, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome! I don't happen to know anyone who'd want to work on Three-parent baby...I would suggest posting a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Genetics or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine/Medical genetics task force. Maybe someone there will be willing to help. Good luck! —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 22:01, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Ah yes, thanks. 86.134.200.29 (talk) 22:18, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Dead link templates

Sometimes when by the end of the month I don't have a proper url, I just update them that way. The thing is, is that by the end of the month (for example August) there is 2000 dead links. Its much easier to find an article which can be fixed by breaking 2000 a month by lets say a 100. Is it wrong to do? I don't see consensus objecting to it. I bet there was a lot of dead links in 2006, now they have been either fixed or being moved to 2008, makes sense?--Mishae (talk) 02:25, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I still don't understand. What's the purpose of moving the pages from the August 2014 category to the September 2014 category? —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 02:44, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

O.K. Lets just say that I was planning to do it in September but because of some fixes I decide it to do it in August, and a week before September. Then, someone told me that when it comes to cite news templates all the refs suppose to carry work instead of publisher, so to fulfill my edit I decide to do this plus that. I don't see anything wrong here. I didn't ruin the article did I? If not, then this concern should be off the table. Maybe I annoy you when I do such edits, but for that I should tell you this: consensus have agreed to look closely at editors who remove more then 500 kb, not the ones that do 5-20 kb. I think you should look for some real vandals, not the users which do small additions, which don't destroy the article. --Mishae (talk) 05:36, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. I definitely don't mean to suggest that you're a vandal, and I absolutely agree that the other parts of your edits look helpful.

Let me explain where I'm coming from. My understanding is that the purpose of the "date" parameter is to indicate when the link was identified as dead. If editors change the date after the tag has been placed, then the parameter can no longer serve this function. For this reason, it seems to me that the date shouldn't be changed—but I'm open to reconsidering that opinion if there's a good reason for changing the date. Is there? —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 12:32, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Well is there is a rule that prohibits date change? I haven't seen it. Besides, I remember that one day I changed the date of the dead link, and another user came in and put the working link. Recent example can be found here: My assumption is that most editors (as your edit suggests), look through recently added dead links rather then the old ones. Another one of your edits here implies that changing date is beneficial. So, yeah, in my opinion you should reconsider that option. However, maybe I shouldn't do it monthly?--Mishae (talk) 14:19, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

So if I understand you correctly, you're saying that you change the dates on dead link templates so that editors are more likely to fix them quickly. The evidence you gave suggests that this works. However, I still oppose changing the dates, for the following two reasons: (1) The reason I sometimes patrol the most recent monthly category at the beginning of the month is because I want to fix links that were just identified—not because I want to fix links that were identified some time ago but have had their date changed. (Incidentally, I spend most of my time fixing old dead links, not the most recent ones. So just because a link is labeled as from a previous month doesn't mean it will never get fixed—it just means that other links might get fixed before it.) (2) More importantly, changing the date in the template reduces its value as a tool to determine how long a link has been identified as dead.

If you still feel that it's beneficial to change the dates, maybe we should open a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject External links or get a WP:Third opinion on this practice. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 15:33, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Don't know, but we can try. I assume it will be another, "I care, I don't care" type of debate. Now, another thing to mention, is that I don't just change the date, but I also do other edits to it as well. As for your second input: "More importantly, changing the date in the template reduces its value as a tool to determine how long a link has been identified as dead", I don't think it decreases in value at all. As I said previously a lot of links say from 2006 were either fixed or be merged into 2008. I see 1000 links for August 2013, I see 2000 for August 2014, and its get claustrophobic to find a specific dead link when they are labeled as dead 1000 or 2000 per month, per month! So, if I wont find a substitute for a dead link, I think I should at least move it to a place where users like yourself can find a way to fix it. Have a problem with it? If so, lets definitely open a discussion but I am afraid that either I will get blocked, despite my good edits and reputation here, or I will be forced to obey you, under sanctions of being blocked. As I said before, we can open a discussion but I am afraid that the result will be negative. Before I will do so, lets ask user @Ironholds: for a third opinion, since I trust him. I believe that he will be neutral to the subject, and it will be better for me and you as well. So, lets not create a long and in my opinion meaningless debate until he will come a give his opinion on it. Sounds fair?--Mishae (talk) 16:53, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Good idea. I look forward to hearing what Ironholds thinks. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 17:01, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

@Mishae: Ironholds doesn't seem to be responding, so I suggest we use the WP:Third opinion process or else post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject External links. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 01:04, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Huh; it didn't ping me for some reason. Mr. Granger is correct; the purpose of the "date" part of the tag is to identify when the deadlink was created. This enables a couple of behavioural patterns and a couple of tracking mechanisms. The most important of these is that it allows us to divide problematic articles into chunks, categorised by how long they have been a problem for. If I am going to fix 10 deadlinks, it is more useful to fix deadlinks from the back of the queue than the front, because more readers have been exposed to them and they have been an issue for longer: it is slightly more critical. The date when an article was tagged with [problem] should not be changed. Ironholds (talk) 07:44, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

McGill Rose Garden

Thank you for your suggestion to add photos to McGill Rose Garden . When I wrote the article I actually talked to their board of directors. They liked the article but were not interested in sharing any of their own photos from their official web site.

Here is a page that leads to many excellent photos of McGill Rose Garden. I am sure that some of these photos are in the public domain but I do not know how to document that.

I also appears that the upload wizard has now made it even harder to declare a photo to be in the public domain (unless it is published by the US govt).

Here is another photo which I suspect is in the public domain but I cannot prove it.

If you know how to verify that a photo is in the public domain I would certainly appreciate it. I have not been able to figure out how to do it. IAC thank you for the suggestion to add photos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foobarnix (talk • contribs)

Hmm. Those are nice photos, but I don't see any evidence that they're in the public domain. Usually, unless a photo is very old or its creator explicitly releases it into the public domain, it's not public domain (with some notable exceptions such as works of the US government, as you mentioned). I think the easiest way to get an image would be for a Wikipedian who lives near Charlotte to take a picture and release that picture under a suitable license (e.g., CC-BY-SA). Cheers! —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 15:31, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

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Lily Mackall: Image Request

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Could you show me another category that the "image request" for Lily Mackall is located. I am finding this request in the subcategory of "Wikipedia requested photographs of the American Civil War‎". As for my reason stated on my last edit reverted by yourself, it was placed into the WP:Biography and WP:United States. Adamdaley (talk) 02:13, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

The page is currently in both Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of military-people and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of the American Civil War. It should not be added to Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in the United States, because it is already in one of that category's subcategories. —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:15, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

I could not find it in Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in the United States. Maybe I am looking at the wrong category? Adamdaley (talk) 02:20, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

It's not directly included in Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in the United States; rather, it's in one of the subcategories. Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in the United States contains Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of United States history‎, which contains Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of the United States military history‎, which contains Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of the American Civil War‎, which contains Talk:Lily Mackall. —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:22, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

I propose I edit the talkpage again. Leaving the reqphoto template and adding one into the WP:Biography? Adamdaley (talk) 02:24, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't quite understand what you're proposing. The {{WikiProject Biography}} template already has a "needs-photo=y" parameter. What are you proposing to add to it? —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:26, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

My mistake the Lily Mackall talkpage does have the "image request" in the WP:Biography. I didn't look before I posted my last comment. Thought it didn't have the "image request" requesting an image. Adamdaley (talk) 02:29, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Abel Aguilar

Instead or reverting edits in the above article you should have fixed dead link, which would been much better edit other then a revert. Also you should have notified me on your talkpage when Ironholds did showed up, I wouldn't have done it, hence you would have notified me.--Mishae (talk) 22:47, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

I apologize. I assumed you were still watching my talk page, but you're right, I should have notified you to make sure. —Granger (talk · contribs) 22:49, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

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Hello Mr. Granger. Did you read Carolmooredc's message? I tried politely to list all the uncivil remarks she made in her message. I don't recall seeing you around that page before, so you may not be aware that she has posted non-stop a stream of undocumented accusations, false attributions, and other attacks and incivility directed at other editors on many gender-related pages. I join you in valuing civility, but in this case, your message was misdirected. Thanks. I hope you will join in the discussion on the Gender Gap talk page. SPECIFICO talk 00:39, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

I admit I have not been following past conversations on the page very closely. I read both Carolmooredc's comment and yours in that section, and although I agree that hers was not phrased very diplomatically, yours struck me as far worse. In any case, I do plan to participate on the talk page in the future—thanks for the invitation! —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:49, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

All good. SPECIFICO talk 01:10, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

SPECIFICO has been engage in unrelenting criticism of me for over a year including on the GG task force page![2], [3]. He also sometimes goes to various user talk pages to criticize me. So pardon me if I get a bit annoyed sometimes on the GG task force page to the unrelenting criticism from several editors. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 02:02, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

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The Stories of Eva Luna

I've just written to Mikeblas - the editor who put the may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline tag on the page - asking him to remove it; I think more than enough was added today to meet the standards. I'd remove the tag myself, but Mikeblas is a senior editor and an administrator, so am leery of doing that. Hopefully he will remove it. By the way, thanks for creating this page: great author and great collection of stories. Xenxax (talk) 20:21, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

• Good news. Mikeblas has removed the 'notability' tag. Xenxax (talk) 01:03, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Great! Thanks for your work expanding the article. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:45, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

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Hi. I see that you uploaded a map at Ages of consent in Europe (a cropped version of the main map). I wanted to ask you if you could create a new map with different colors - the discussion goes back to the main map from Ages of consent about how an earlier map showed almost all ages in different shades of blue, but the shades were very close to one another and difficult to distinguish. Because of this, a new map was created. The map still uses close shades of the same colors, but this is because it has no other choice due to all ages going from 12 to 21, and 'puberty' as an age, and 'illegal outside of marriage', and 'varies by state/province'. But this map for Europe only has 6 ages - 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18. IMO it is not normal that four of them are blue (close shades which may make it difficult to distinguish). Six diffrent colors can be easily found (eg, blue, green, yellow, red, orange, violet). I wonder if you could do this.2A02:2F0A:506F:FFFF:0:0:BC19:AA8C (talk) 10:07, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the message. I definitely see the value of having easily distinguishable colors—but on the other hand, I think there's also some value to having the same color scheme on every page that uses a variation of this map (Ages of consent in Africa, Ages of consent in South America, Ages of consent in North America, Ages of consent in Europe, Age of consent, and maybe others). So I'm not sure what the best course of action is. —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:34, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

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Hi there! I just got a notification that User:AnyyVen was patrolled by you.

Could you... explain what that means? Or what the significance is?

Thanks in advance! AnyyVen (talk) 16:29, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi! Wikipedia has a system where editors patrol newly-created pages to make sure that they don't have any major problems. It's more important for articles, but userpages and talk pages can be patrolled too. It's nothing to worry about—basically, I just certified that your userpage is acceptable for Wikipedia to include. (If you're interested, you can see Wikipedia:New pages patrol for more information.) —Granger (talk · contribs) 16:33, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

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Malayali's Manglish

Why am I not able to add the list of words? Why are you deleting it? What copyright violation are you talking about? I have removed references to Urban dictionary and blog. Why is this list alone being deleted. There are other lists which don't have references??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Panac1947 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Panac1947, the information appears to be copied directly from Urban Dictionary and a blog—copying this much text word-for-word is a copyright violation. In addition, the text is not clearly labeled as a quotation from an external source, which is plagiarism. For these reasons, I've removed it from the article. —Granger (talk · contribs) 03:36, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Mr. Granger, Those references were there before. You deleted them when they had the references. Those articles in Urban dictionary and the blog were provided by ME. Now I have provided at least some references to this section. But the other sections don't have any. Then why are you finding fault with this section alone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Panac1947 (talk • contribs) 22:54, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Right. The fact remains, though, that quoting such a large amount of material is a (borderline) copyright violation, and including it without explicitly labeling it as a quote is certainly plagiarism. In addition, Urban Dictionary is not a reliable source, and should generally not be used to support material in articles. And on top of all of that, I don't even think that including such a long list of the idiosyncrasies of Malayali English is good for the article (but that's open to debate). So for all four of these reasons, I think the list of words should not be included in the article. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:09, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

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Tolchard Evans

Not a complaint, just a question. In this edit you removed the reference to the Yahoo Answers site. Normally, of course, that is quite right - we should not cite discussion forums like that. But in that case someone on the site has quoted (in full so far as I can see - I think it's quite reasonable to assume good faith there) the whole of Evans' ODNB biography, which is otherwise only directly accessible by subscription - [4]. Is your action in line with any agreed WP guidelines in such circumstances, and if so can you point me to them? If not, I will raise it at WP:RSN. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:28, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ghmyrtle. Thanks for bringing this up. In my opinion, if we want to cite ODNB, we should just cite ODNB, not an unreliable source that quotes it. WP:Citing sources says "When offering convenience links, it is important to be reasonably certain that the convenience copy is a true copy of the original, without any changes or inappropriate commentary, and that it does not infringe the original publisher's copyright." It's impossible for a reader to know whether the Yahoo Answers page is an accurate copy of the original ODNB biography without actually checking the ODNB biography themself. In addition, it seems to me that the Yahoo Answers page is almost certainly a violation of ODNB's copyright (see also WP:COPYLINK). So the citation fails both of the conditions I quoted.

I've replaced the citation with a link directly to ODNB (which, unfortunately, is behind a paywall). —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:54, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

That all seems very reasonable - thanks. Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:07, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

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Hi ! An IP add one of your audio file to illustrate the word "tempest" on our project (fr.wiktionary). We usually indicate the native aera from the locutor to illustrate the different accents and the pronunciation's difference between people. So, if it's doesn't annoy you of course, can you tell me, even vaguely, where you from (USA ? UK ? which state/county ?). Thank you by advance. V!v£ l@ Rosière ^/Whisper…/ 03:42, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Sure, I grew up in California. —Granger (talk · contribs) 03:44, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

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I trust the WMF's ability to figure out which way of displaying images works best for the majority of readers. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:27, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

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Zodiac Killer

With reference to your recent reversion, I suggest that you read the appropriate style paragraph you quoted again - there are exceptions. Please do not lecture experienced editors on style issues. David J Johnson (talk) 21:28, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

I've read MOS:SERIAL again, and I see no relevant exception. If you have an argument for why we should omit the comma in this case, though, I'd be happy to hear it. —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:32, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Then you are not reading the content correctly. There are exceptions, read the Manual of Style page heading, not just a sub-head. Drop your lecturing tone and contribute to the encyclopedia in a positive way, instead of constant nit-picking edits. Frankly, a comma is not worth worrying about and in this case is certainly not a issue. Case closed. David J Johnson (talk) 21:55, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Commons File

You recently made a change on my user page. I was under the impression (possibly false) than only the creator of the user page (or a Wikipedia administrator) could make such changes. I don't think I ever wrote on anyone's user page (at least I don't remember), sticking only to writing on user talk pages. Although I have contributed to Wikipedia for several years, there are still many things I don't know, and would like to understand. Would you mind explaining the change you made on my user page regarding the photograph of Mt. Lafayette. Did the name of the photo change? Or did I get the name wrong in the first place? Did I accidentally misuse the photo or its title? I want to understand these matters. Can editors make changes on user pages in the interest of correcting an error?

The above questions remind me of a tangentially related question the answer to which I suspect you would know. I am looking for photos for a book I am writing but I have no budget to pay for photographs, for example, from Getty Images, Magnum Photos, etc. Are there photos in the commons files that I could use at no charge, provided of course that I acknowledge the photographer?

Thanks you very much for your help. Iss246 (talk) 18:17, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Iss246. I recently moved the photo in question to Wikimedia Commons, with a new name. As a result, Wikipedia's local copy was deleted, and the inclusion of the image on your userpage would have stopped working if I hadn't edited the page to link to the new address of the file. In other words, I wasn't making any substantive changes to your user page, just using the new copy of the same file. I hope this is clear—feel free to ask for clarification.

In response to your second question, yes! All Commons files (assuming they haven't been misidentified or otherwise uploaded in error) are freely usable. Some of their licenses (such as the GFDL and CC-BY-SA) require you to release derivative works under the same license. Others (such as CC-BY) only require you to acknowledge the photographer or artist. And others (CC-0 and public domain) don't require anything at all. For more information, see commons:Commons:Reusing content outside Wikimedia. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:30, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Iss246 (talk) 21:41, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Education

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Thanks for your recent revert on Philippine English

Thanks for the revert here. I've been limited to mobile edits most of the time lately, and have committed some unrecognized misclicks - of which this was one. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:00, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks!

Hank really did that? That's awesome. Sad to have missed it, but it's still really awesome. Thanks for your kind words, as well. Have a good one :) Soulbust (talk) 02:57, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Bank de Binary

I think that the screen shot of bdB's page is not needed in the article, or even the link to its page. BdB is essentially an illegal site in the US because it doesn't even follow the minimal rules for a "financial institution." There's no need for us to promote the company in any way. That would be a gross disservice to our readers. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 16:33, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

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Internet in North Korea

What about info that I (accidentally) duplicated in the section before you? --George Ho (talk) 03:50, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

I was just concerned with the undue weight given in the lead to a recent, brief incident. I'm skeptical about whether information about the recent disruption should be included in the article at all, but I figured I'd leave that to the judgment of other editors. But it certainly doesn't belong in the lead, hence my edit. —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:40, 23 December 2014 (UTC)