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I'm making a sort of blog at User:Moneytrees/General thoughts. I was thinking about calling it "Ted Talks" but that seemed a little corny... feel free to discuss whatever I say there on the talk. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 23:58, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Why is ArbCom

trying so hard to teach us about Gothic Lolita? 😂 Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:24, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

We're having a new Goth related WP:CTOP @Firefangledfeathers. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 20:33, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Wouldn't be the weirdest niche area we've had ... Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:36, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

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Belize

Hi, I can't tell whether or not the edit summary contained copyright violations, but it looks like you accidentally deleted the edit summary instead of the edit. Could you please double check? Thanks, ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 01:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@ARandomName123 Yeah, I’ve fixed that now. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 01:54, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Azealia Banks

Hey there. Just curious, how did you find List of Azealia Banks' controversies so soon after I edited it? I support the article's deletion, by the way. The writing was unencyclopedic but I couldn't be bothered at the time to nominate it myself, so I just made a few standard fixes. Ss112 00:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ss112 I don't actually remember-- I think I might've been looking at recent changes and saw some of your edits to it? I know I thought "that article is probably a mess" when I saw the title though. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 01:27, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Moneytrees/dummy

Have you considered using a pastebin instead? There are some paste sites that don't require JavaScript - and this will save you from adding copyrighted material on-wiki. MER-C 17:04, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@MER-C No, because I don't know much about them. I'd be open to them if I knew more. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 22:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Basically they're text file hosting sites. You'll want to look for one that automatically deletes entries after some time and is visible to the copyvio tool (the latter is rare: many hide the actual paste behind JavaScript). cl1p.net satisfies both use cases - but you may want to use your own. MER-C 16:28, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@MER-C Thanks, I'll check that out. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 22:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

TFA

Today's TFA, Felix M. Warburg House, was written by Vami_IV and Epicgenius, introduced: "This article is about another of the great houses that once lined Fifth Avenue in New York. Specifically, this is the mansion of Felix M. Warburg, a Jewish financier who ignored fears of anti-Semitic reprisal to his decided to build himself a big Gothic manor in the middle of New York City. Although the Warburgs no longer remain, their legacy does: the museum is now the home of the Jewish Museum (Manhattan) and the building largely survives as they left it. It's a beautiful building and I hope you will all enjoy it."! - in memory -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Doom (2016 video game) - today's TFA is again by Vami --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Are these related, please?

There is substantial crossover on Johnel 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@Timtrent Yeah, I'm not certain but I wouldn't be surprised if they're the same master, or at least involved in the same sort of UPE group. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 22:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Is it worth creating a linking SPI, or is there enough for you to either make a direct CU request or ask an SPI clerk to merge them? 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@Timtrent I thought about it a bit, I don't think they need to be merged at this time but it may be worth bringing up in the context of future socking from Tochi. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 20:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

I imagined that would be the answer. If I see it I will raise it, and I suspect you will too. And if we miss it no-one dies 😇 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

I have raise dit at a new item in Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TheChineseGroundnut 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@Moneytrees My account has nothing to do with TheChineseGroundnut or User:Tochi Clement, I happen to come across Johnel when editing Draft:Muyeez, if you watch Khalid and Draft:Muyeez, you would notice that I kind of followed the same pattern because I thought that would be how it could be approved. Then I noticed that the person that reviewed Johnel is the same person that created it with different account though your comment here. That was when I nominated the page for deletion for G5. 中国人狗坚果 (talk) 17:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

This one is blocked and tagged. Other material in the investigation remains open. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Paula Vennells

That's a really shameful abuse of admin tools to make such a POV edit to a fully protected article. You should revert it. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

For any (talk page stalker)s wondering what this was about, see here. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 21:08, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Special:Diff/1228160578 – "researchers behind the"

Hi, Moneytrees. It seems that you've missed a word in your edit at Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-06-08/Opinion.

And even then, when concluding the case, the researchers behind the still weren't really happy with the result.

Would you mind clarifying behind the what? —⁠andrybak (talk) 20:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

@Andrybak I accidently deleted the word "paper", fixed. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 20:19, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	See you frequently everywhere. Want to give my thanks for your contributions! 48JCL TALK 20:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @48JCL. I remember these particular admins who seemed like they were everywhere back when I first started out, funny to think I'm now part of that group... Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 21:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Close phrasing and notification

Thank you for your close of WP:ANI#Kaalakaa on Islam-related topics. May I rather diffidently ask if the phrasing and notification have quite the effect you intended? I'm very used to seeing "broadly construed" so "broadly constructed" surprised me, and when you notified Kaalakaa of the topic ban, you suggested they might want to follow the standard offer. The topic ban appeals I've seen at WP:AN have only succeeded if the editor has shown that they can edit Wikipedia constructively and without disruption by editing without breaching their topic ban. In contrast, the standard offer, which is described as being for cases of a site ban or an indefinite block, includes having made no edits ... on the English Wikipedia and so I fear would not lead to a topic ban being lifted - but I could be wrong and this might all be irrelevant anyway. NebY (talk) 20:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@NebY I’m not going to lie, I’ve always read “construed” as “constructed”, so that’s a silly mistake in my part. I meant to add a bit about appealing in six months after mention SO; a lot of TBANs stipulate the same appeal window of 6-12 months even if they don’t mention the SO. It didn’t seem like there was a presence for an appeal window in the discussion, and I feel like there aren’t very clear explanations on how to appeal community TBANs, so I decided to reference the SO. Regardless, I’ve corrected my mistakes now, thanks for pointing it out. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 04:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eashvar Karthic

Hello, Moneytrees,

I guess you didn't use XFDcloser to close this AFD discussion as you still need to untag the article and post the AFD closure result on the article talk page which XFDcloser would handle for you. It really simplifies things so if you are going to help out at AFD (which would be awesome), I encourage you to look it over. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:09, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) That was closed by a vandal impersonating Moneytrees. I've reverted them. DanCherek (talk) 04:17, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Dan. Yeah @Liz, there’s an LTA who does that occasionally. No emoji means it isn’t me! Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 06:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

SPI

Hi, you forgot to sign the actual report part (of the Lb SPI).
I tried template signing it, but there's a filter that prevents IPs from editing that part of SPIs (or something like that). – 2804:F1...75:866E (talk) 00:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi 2804:F1..., I intentionally didn't sign it, as I don't need to as far as I'm aware. But I can sign if that makes things less confusing. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 01:21, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Nah it's fine, I thought it was accidental. For me it was only confusing until I looked at the page history, though maybe when it is archived it will become more confusing? – 2804:F1...75:866E (talk) 01:24, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

That's not a bad point, I'll fix it rn. I'll just copy and paste my signature from the CU comments because that's what it would've looked like if I did sign it. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 01:39, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

In appreciation

		The Barnstar of Integrity
		For all you do for the project. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:56, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you AirshipJungleman29, that's a very kind thing to say. Thank you for everything you do too. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 18:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Irtapil

As the admin who closed the SPI, I wanted to ask you on about this article. It seems to be a very clear case of WP:G5, but a couple of editors have contested it on grounds of notability. BilledMammal (talk) 01:15, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

As an editor who has contested G5: I don't have a strong view that it should be kept, but I think there is enough involvement from other editors that it should go through AFD. If consensus disagrees, I will not object. Walsh90210 (talk) 01:19, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

if someone can fix Persecution of gay and bisexual men by the so-called Islamic State to be at a less-inappropriate title, that would be appreciated; I think I have tagged everything else I had concerns about. Walsh90210 (talk) 01:19, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

I've reverted it back to the previous title BilledMammal (talk) 01:24, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

My understanding is that it doesn't require discussion; it's an article created by a blocked editor, with no substantial contributions from other editors (this appears to be the most substantial other contribution) - and generally, we don't want to exacerbate our sock problem, in a topic area already overrun with them, by suggesting that some of their contributions might stick. BilledMammal (talk) 01:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi, @Walsh90210, @BilledMammal, I don't think the edits outside of MWQs are significant enough to dispute a G5-- they're mostly minor cleanup and technical edits from what I see. That said, how I read WP:BANREVERT is that an editor can dispute a tag and take responsibility for the article, and it seems like there might be reasons outside of G5 to do so. So I don't agree with that argument, but if other editors are taking responsibility for it then I won't delete it. Sorry, I know that's not a very satisfying answer. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 01:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

how I read WP:BANREVERT is that an editor can dispute a tag and take responsibility for the article I might be blind, but I can't actually find that section of BANREVERT? (Walsh90210, before you take responsibility for any of MWQs edits I should mention that they have a history of WP:COPYVIO - you might want to confirm that the article doesn't have any first) BilledMammal (talk) 01:44, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm working on removing content I'm not willing to "take responsibility for"; it's possible there won't be enough for an article separate from Mohammed Deif by the time I am done. Walsh90210 (talk) 01:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@BilledMammal I was thinking about Editors who reinstate edits made by a banned or blocked editor take complete responsibility for the content, which is right under the Proxying subheader (I didn't see that first either). @Walsh90210, I didn't realize there was a "main article" here-- personally speaking, I think this might be better long term as being covered at the parent article in order to maybe avoid WP:Recentisim, but I'm speaking outside of being an admin when I say that. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 01:52, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

I consider the current version of that article "minimally acceptable"; I will not complain if/when further changes are made. Walsh90210 (talk) 01:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Just happened to end up here because that page is on my watchlist and I do want to clarify since you mentioned WP:Recentism that the event referred to here is one that occurred during the 2014 Gaza War, not the Israel–Hamas war. Kinsio (talk ★ contribs ★ rights) 02:28, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I thought I had read Mohammed Deif and his family had recently died @Kinsio. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 02:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Nope, a decade ago. And if you join the dots, it's potentially quite a significant event in the overall cycle of violence. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:37, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! BilledMammal (talk) 04:21, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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Gustave.iii block

Hi, I wanted to comment on the recent-ish block of User:Gustave.iii as a Wikipedia:Third opinion. I see why you put the Alan MacMasters article as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion but the indefinite block seems to be punitive as he only disrupted once. Wikipedia:Sanctions against editors should not be punitive

Not to Wikipedia:Wikilawyering but I think he should've been educated instead of an immediate block, as to not Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers. I welcome your response. LinuxNCats (talk) 05:38, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Delayed response

Hi MT! Apologies for not responding to your note but I was offline. I fully appreciate your goal of addressing an issue that came up and avoiding the politics, but I think you inadvertently hit the nail on the head with your second paragraph. This is less about the deleted child musician and more about the age old fight. That thread and the ones it spun off made no one look good, unfortunately.

Were Andy's or LB's behavior any worse this month than ever? I don't think so. I think Andy mightbe less enabled then he had been prior to the June block, he's still going to thumb his nose at Light, and other still extant ARS volunteers because they write content he doesn't believe are up to wikistandards. He may be right about the latter (I didn't dig into the articles, but saw at least one was SNOW closed), but that doesn't mean he has to name call. It doesn't make him more right. Be he has continued to do it because there are no sanctions so why should he. And every discussion where content raised at WPO comes up it turns into a referendum on WPO as a whole and the age old grudges vs. the issue at hand.

Whereas LB, if I'm reading your note and the SPI correctly, socked (bad) but stopped (good). So why sanction him now? If we're not going to fully resolve the age old ARS issue and say he has to change his behavior, what more does he need to do than maybe not (over)react to tweaking by Andy? There's no behavior that needed actioning so it ended uo coming across even if unintended as "you sought action against a more favored editor, that can't happen" similar to others who didn't out anyone but got tarred and feathered by the WPO brush.

Thanks for your insight and apologies again for the delay. Star Mississippi 01:38, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikiproject

Hi, I see you've contributed a lot to Pattole Palome, would you be interested in a wikiproject on oral tradition? Kowal2701 (talk) 18:42, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

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Text request for deleted page The Peel Club

Dear @Moneytrees, please can you find me the full final script at the point of my last edits to page The Peel Club before it was deleted? This will save me hours when revising it in future. Thank you Hellenistic accountant (talk) 00:37, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@Moneytrees, suggest reading the DRV and @Hellenistic accountant's participation therein before this is granted. (FWIW, the text is currently available to them). cc @Daniel Star Mississippi 00:58, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 August 26 for ease of reference for Moneytrees. I'm now probably verging on administratively involved so won't say too much more at this point. Daniel (talk) 01:02, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@Hellenistic accountant, as Star Mississippi says, the article was undeleted, so the history and whatever final edits you've made can be viewed. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 17:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Block req

Yo Moneytrees, User:John Ronald Don too, or an easy notch for your tps. Cheers, SerialNumber54129 20:21, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting @Serial Number, I’ve indefinitely blocked. It’s Architect134. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 00:36, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah. Thanks, Money. A nasty piece of work, that. SerialNumber54129 13:46, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Get deleted draft back

Hello, a draft article i wrote was deleted, could i get the draft put on my user page so i can edit it?

article name: Draft:Timothy Noël

Thank you for your help!

Kind regards

EM EdoardoMai (talk) 12:41, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Mentioned at ANI

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Disruptive edits by user:Lightburst. Thank you. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:20, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Mentioned at WP:ARC

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Wikipediocracy-related conduct regarding an issue with which you may have been inoved. TarnishedPath^talk 00:36, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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