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Yeah, I've noticed that you've been creating new ones like crazy. They're mostly harmless, but be careful: with all the recent fuss about userboxes... well, let's just say that some people hate them passionately and often go on killing sprees. Good luck! Misza13TC11:49, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I happened upon your userpage and I must say, lookin' spiffy indeed. Very relaxing color scheme, nice layout, well organized; just felt you diserved recognition :) Anyway, cheers! _-MoP-_21:38, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, thanks! I've been stealing soft colors from Esperanza for a while and have recently moved my bulky userboxes to a subpage. Now I'm pretty happy with the layout. Make sure to check out all 3 status images! Misza13TC21:58, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I reverted the source box you placed on Von Neumann's catastrophe. I have confined the text of this article to only summaries of those things that are already said in other articles. The source of all of the information given is already in other articles in expanded form. Twenty links have been added to the article to provide source information. If you think that there is anything in the article that is not supported by the links provided, please list those things on the talk page. --Dragon's Blood18:11, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've noticed your status switcher script and it's much better than the one I use. I can't even remember who gave me the script I'm using now.
Anyway, there are some problems with the one I'm using now (the option to change the status is only seen on the watchlist or when I edit a page). I'm wondering if yours can somehow be adapted to use the scheme I'm using now (see User:nathanrdotcom/Status and User:nathanrdotcom/StatusDiv), with the status located where it is.
I cant get the status script to work. I pasted the second script on that page into my monobook.js file, and I created the StatusTemplate thing, with the first section of code in it. It wont work though. Do you know what is wrong? Wikipeedio20:58, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure, especially because you changed the original function. Didn't it work in my version? Also, this line:
if (location.href.indexOf("User:Wikipeedio+"subpage"+&action=edit&newstatus=") == -1) return;
should rather read (note the placement of "s and +s):
if (location.href.indexOf("User:Wikipeedio"+subpage+"&action=edit&newstatus=") == -1) return;
otherwise, I'm not sure whether it will compile at all. Also, check whether the buttons link where they should. The "in" for example should link to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Wikipeedio/Status&action=edit&newstatus=in Misza13TC10:07, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, my bad. I forgot to bypass the cache by doing the CTRL+F5 thing. I fixed that one line, I didn't do it very carefully. It works now. Thanks for your help. Wikipeedio15:52, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Perl Framework ??
I'd be interested in sharing notes or code. I am only reading, not writing, in my code so far, but I based my WP access code on User:Pearle code... what I have so far is at User:Lar/ClassificationTableGen (that code is a bit backlevel, it doesn't include any access code, but shows my direction) ++Lar: t/c23:01, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
My code doesn't do anything terrific yet. It uses LWP::UserAgent to check out pages, then parses the HTML::Response to get the editing form as HTML::Form object. Then the user modifies the form's properties and UserAgent sumbits using $form->click. The biggest problem is writing error handling (which is modest yet). Wikipedia can generate an amazing multitude of errors. I plan to publish the module (Where has seen a draft of it) once it is more reliable. Misza13TC10:13, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So you're not using the trick Pearle uses then of just finding the form box and stripping everything else away? That way seems to be a more text processing based approach than using the Form object. What errors are you running into? I haven't seen many yet. Interesting. I'll be keen to see what you've got once you're ready. Meanwhile I need to put up the module I made out of Beland's code which strips away all the command processing loops and leaves just the routines to get and put pages.. ++Lar: t/c14:09, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It parses a HTML::Response (received from UserAgent), extracts all forms and returns them as objects in the @forms array. The errors are pure Wikipedia caused ones:
After sumbitting the form, the response is usually a HTML 302 redirect. Sometimes it is not.
There might be edit conflicts (so far I avoid them through "§ion=new" editing).
"Wikipedia has a problem", "You have been blocked" (in the case of bots).
Above all this, I have yet no mechanism that would verify if the edit succeeded despite errors. One could check the page history, but databese lags may prove it ineffective. I've also been thinking about connecting it to the IRC recent changes feed... (Which I do myself whenever the bot is doing the spamming.) Really, these are mostly ideas that yet need to be checked for viability. Misza13TC16:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for explaining that. I did not realise you could use parse that way... "I am only an egg", but I would love to collaborate with you... As soon as I have my code to where I am happy, I'll come back here and leave you a link to the pages and would welcome your comments! ++Lar: t/c16:15, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I thought removing "User Wikipedia" excludes userpages from the category, but perhaps I am mistaken. When I went to look at pages in the category, only one esperanza talkpage was listed, although I've created a link to it on Firefox's talk page. Care to clarify?--Theikiroid (talk/parler/hablar/paroli/说/話) 18:26, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry but I cann't assume good faith in most of your comments in WT:ESP#Channel stats and I'm blanking them because they are not helping the conversation. Please do not restore them.
Basically the conversation went:
you: "i support" <- now that was fine. it was neutrally worded and I didn't delete it
...then later...
you: "You need to grow up"
me: "NPA. Attacks aren't helping."
you: "Oh, I wasn't intending to attack you. Besides, you need to stop being childish"
(that's two attacks, and one after I told you NPA. A non-constructive comment regarding my actions is still an attack)
As a fellow Wikipedian, you should know how your words can have an effect on others. Insulting the author of an idea instead of commenting on the idea itself is not constructive and hurts feelings.
WP:NPA is a policy for everyone, not just for you to break when you feel like it (then claim you weren't out to attack, then attack again to add insult to injury).
We've gotten along just fine until now, I don't know why you'd all of a sudden do this. It makes me sad & hurt. Quite honestly, there's a time and place for such comments and posting them in the middle of an idea proposal/vote isn't the right time or place.
I have a certain way I deal with problems based on personal experience. While it may not be the most ideal way, it works for me. (When I'm backed into a corner or there's more conflict than I know how to deal with, I leave) I'd appreciate not being called immature just because you don't agree with my problemsolving methods (or that my intent wasn't made clear). While you may not agree with the method I use to deal with conflicts, it doesn't give you the right to attack me because of it.
For the record and to clarify: I didn't leave because I wasn't getting what I wanted. I left because I needed some space. If you're not sure of my intentions, please ask (I won't consider it an offense) and I'll tell you. I'm pretty sure you know the old saying about making assumptions so I don't need to type it here.
Let's try to get along here, please? We're fellow Esperanzians and I don't see the reason why either of us should be attacking the other. — nathanrdotcom(T • C • W)22:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As the idea of you guys engaging in verbal conflict frightens me, I just wanted to step in and say, don't take it further. Misza, if you respond to Nathan, don't apologize and antagonize at the same time. Nathan, see if maybe you accidentally hurt Misza or did something to provoke this. Just don't kill each other. _-MoP-_22:22, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
IMO, I did nothing to cause this. My way of dealing with too much conflict (which is leave the channel and try to process the events quietly, then come back when I'm less upset. In my own personal experience, that's the method that works for me, it's a protection mechanism. I have a lot of protection mechanisms) isn't a reason to insult me. We all have our own ways of dealing with conflict, that needs to be respected even though we may not agree with them.
You can see the comments that were deleted here (hmm, okay the first one was constructive [which I've just restored], the second was not) and here.
Thanks, but you two are friends. Better to stop then go down in a fiery wreckage. I agree that we all have personal ways of calming down; when I get a bit angry, I eat ice cream to get better. Well, perhaps Misza just got annoyed and thought that you were running away from the problem; hopefully, its just a small misunderstanding. But you did well to address the issue like a civil person, Nathan, so kudos for that. _-MoP-_22:32, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to think we're friends. I don't know what I'm supposed to think now. Admittedly, I was "running away from the problem" but not just for the sake of running away. I needed space. — nathanrdotcom(T • C • W)22:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
From what I can see, Misza was a bit frustrated; he didn't understand that you weren't leaving for good (I think). I only read the two links that you posted, and it seems this way. However, it should be alright when Misza gets back. _-MoP-_22:43, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I was leaving until I could find a better way to deal with the issues (I needed the time to calm down). I eventually talked to Where about it and we worked to deal with the issues addressed by the AC. If I had an "Advisory Council Complicated English to English" dictionary, it would solve most of the issues. If he wasn't sure why I was leaving the situation, he should've asked me what my intent was, instead of jumping to the conclusion that I was being "immature" and "childish". — nathanrdotcom(T • C • W)22:49, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, we all have our bad days; maybe he was just having one. But I agree, you reserve the right to get your private space; hopefully it doesn't happen in the future. _-MoP-_23:10, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for being willing to apologize. That's very important, and I wish everyone were able to apologize so willingly. I've gained respect for you. Sarah crane19:11, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry this message is so late. Anyway, thanks for wikifying the code behind my user page. I want to give you a barnstar, but I don't know which format you would prefer. So, I'll provide the image:
[[:Image:Barnstar.png]]
And the text:
I award you this [[Wikipedia:Barnstars on Wikipedia|barnstar]] for your help on my user page. --[[User:TantalumTelluride|<span style="color:#CD6600;">Tantalum</span>]][[User talk:TantalumTelluride|<span style="color:#000080;">T</span>]][[User:TantalumTelluride/Esperanza|<span style="color:#008000;">e</span>]][[User talk:TantalumTelluride|<span style="color:#000080;">lluride</span>]]
Now, you can put them together however you want to. By the way, if Sango123 and I don't fix my user page again before you get back from your wikibreak, please come by and help us. Once again, thanks. --TantalumTelluride03:03, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Status changer
Hi, thanks for sharing your status-changer JavaScript code. I've had a status indicator for a while (not as nice as yours), but no script, and I never seemed to get round to changing it. This script makes things much easier – Gurch10:54, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hymns of praise then let us sing, Alleluia!
unto Christ, our heavenly King, Alleluia!
who endured the cross and grave, Alleluia!
sinners to redeem and save. Alleluia!
But the pains which he endured, Alleluia!
our salvation have procured, Alleluia!
now above the sky he's King, Alleluia!
where the angels ever sing. Alleluia!
Everyone else seems to have stolen all the good Easter pictures and stuff, but I wish you a Happy Easter all the same. — FireFox • T[16:24, 16 April 2006]
Hi there Misza, I hope I'm not bothering you too much; I was just wondering, if you have any spare time in your busy schedule, could you look at the Editor review page and try to maybe review me? I'm trying to find out how I can improve and how I'm viewed on Wikipedia. Much thanks! _-MoP-_04:33, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, Mopper. Just for the sake of giving myself at least 24 hours before posting anything else than {{test}}, I'll leave it until tommorow. Misza13TC19:45, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"Out", right.... ;) Thanks for your quick reversion. æle✆2006-04-20t23:11z
Help needed with status changer javascript
I use a slightly-modified version of your status changer as follows:
// STATUS CHANGER
addOnloadHook(function (){
var user = document.getElementById( 'pt-userpage' ).firstChild.firstChild.data;
var subpage = "/status";
var scheme = "/statustemplate";
var linkprefix = "http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:";
var contribs = document.getElementById( 'pt-mycontris' );
//Add the links
addlilink(contribs, linkprefix+user+subpage+"&action=edit&newstatus=in", "In", "pt-status-in", "I'm in!", "");
addlilink(contribs, linkprefix+user+subpage+"&action=edit&newstatus=busy", "Busy", "pt-status-busy", "I'm busy!", "");
addlilink(contribs, linkprefix+user+subpage+"&action=edit&newstatus=out", "Out", "pt-status-out", "I'm out!", "");
if (location.href.indexOf("User:"+user+subpage+";&action=edit&newstatus=") == -1) return; //Are we here to auto-edit the status?
//Get new status
status = location.href.split("=");
status = status[status.length-1];
//Modify the form
document.getElementById('wpTextbox1').value = "User:"+user+scheme+"";
document.getElementById('wpSummary').value = "Status: "+status;
document.getElementById('wpMinoredit').checked = 'checked';
//Submit it!
document.getElementById('editform').submit();
});
However when I click on the "in", "busy" or "out" links, it only loads the edit window for my status page and just stops there. It doesn't change the text and autosave. I'm using Opera 9 (and IE7 beta occasionally), if that matters.
Hope you can help me figure out this one. Or if you can't help me, please point me to someone who knows how all this works. Thanks a lot! :-) Kimchi.sg | talk01:07, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Followup to what we said over IRC: The script actually relies on the same case as the actual subpage name. Thus I kept the "/status" and "/statustemplate" in the script as well as the subpage names. It was the &quot; and the extra ; that broke the script. It's working perfectly now. Thanks! :-) :-) :-)Kimchi.sg | talk16:14, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Did you check out the content of {{CURRENTHOUR}} and {{CURRENTMINUTE}}? They're both huge #switches (actually series of #ifeq's but anyway...), so using them both would be an even greater strain on the servers. The Devs should invent some string-handling functions and that would solve the problem. Misza13TC12:36, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Re:Renovation
Hi Misza,
It really doesn't matter to me if you copy from someone else or come with something on your own. I just want it to look nice and pretty.
I'd like you to keep all exisiting info on the userpage as well as the subpages. I'd also like to see if possible, all my userboxes on the main page(all the categorized ones anyway).
(where allowed by law. Shipping and handling not included. Some settling of contents may have occured in transit. Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball!!!) ++Lar: t/c17:30, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please watch your civility
Please assume good faith, and be more civil. Calling edits you don't like[2], or which don't meet your standards 'vandalism' may be regarded as a personal attack. This is not a word to be thrown about lightly. Thanks.--Docask?21:52, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please remember to sign your posts. I changed that to fix the link to creating a new talk section. The {{PAGENAMEE}} parameter substitutes spaces with underscores. Without it, there was a space in the URL to new message, so the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Quentin Smith&action=edit§ion=new by clicking here] was incorrectly split into URL & link text parts after "Quentin" instead of "section=new" and thus didn't work. Misza13TC09:06, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Renovation Revisited
Thanks for your renovation on my user page! It is simply amazing! Here, I baked you this cake on my new oven.(Where did you find it? Lowe's?)
Just trying to be helpful - it's a bitch having to go into "edit" mode to read a talk page. But, if you prefer to have an invisible page, I guess that's your perogative. Cheers, -Will Beback00:44, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Just checking this offer is available outside the US as being from New Zealand I'd hate to be dumped with additional tarrifs or customs taxes - and I was looking forward to voting too! :) - GlenTC(Stollery)19:10, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I'm not exactly relaxed, but I still have my fingers under control. That "get a life" comment was just an effect of me assuming that Kelly Martin is apparently bound by different civility standards, so I just adjusted myself. BTW, I recently feel I'm being watched closely by different sides. :) Misza13TC20:30, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]