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Wondering about Outlaw Country Music and how women artists are not mentioned
I honestly think that Outlaw Country should include women as well as men. Perhaps I've read that area wrong, but it seems a bit gender biased.--leahtwosaints13:05, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
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Hi there. If this is the Emmylou special from 1977, Bob Harris (radio) would still have been presenting. Watched the YouTube but didn't see him, or anyone else I remember, on it. The only co-presenters were Mark Ellen & David Hepworth but they weren't around until the early 1980s. An actual date for the YouTube clip would be useful as I don't have a full list of OGWT appearances. Also left a coupla comments on Talk:Hot Band. Hope that helps. --Rodhullandemu (please reply here - contribs) 23:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. The reason I included the link was because I have no idea how the clip, not in complete form ended up on You Tube, but it did have some nice quotes. I can't decide whether I am ready to complete a page or.. what? I have given consideration to adding the information about the Hot Band to Emmylou's page instead. Probably smarter just because although the members of the Hot Band were a great talent pool.. Ricky Skaggs and Rodney Crowell alone are good examples.. unlike other backup bands like The Band or The Eagles, the Hot Band did not perform solo.
I do remember the "whisperer" who I saw from the OGWT interviewing Elton John in 1971. Good way to describe him. LOL. As you can see, I've asked for a mentor, but I doubt people want to get involved in such stuff, so I'm just trying not to screw up in the wiki. Thanks for answering. --leahtwosaints00:02, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I am confused by the descision on the talk page for merging the Hot Band piece with Emmylou's page. I thought it was agreed to merge the two, but the last comment confused me. --leahtwosaints (talk) 11:11, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't see the problem, other than that the photo appears fairly large. It was great to hear them on NPR the other night, doing the Woody Guthrie stuff. If you think something is wrong with the article, feel free to fix it. Badagnani (talk) 01:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Leah, I noticed your post on the talk page of the LGBT Studies project. Since you seem to be interested, I'm inviting you to join the project if you like. You can, of course, help without joining, but we'd welcome you! :) Aleta(Sing)15:04, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Citing references
Hey Leah, is it finding references you need help to do, or putting them in the article correctly? (Or both?) If it's putting them in, you might want to read WP:REF. I'll try to take a look and help out with what I can. If you've got any specific questions, I'll be glad to try to answer them if I can! :) Aleta(Sing)05:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I have for now probably been the main contributor to the Sharon Gilchrist article and I see that you are doing a lot of editing there currently. It's good to see someone takes the time to improve it (especially since I am not a native English speaker). Would you mind to look into Uncle Earl as well, I'm sure it could use some brush up.
I'm truly sorry I had never responded to you message. I haven't touched Wikipedia much in recent times and to be honest with you I really had forgotten about your message at some point.
I guess I will use the weekend and do some research on Sharon and Troy and see what I can update.
Update:
I have information on Troy, it's not a lot though. It is raw material, everything with sources, but not edited at all, merely a bunch of copy & paste snippets. Can I send this somehow to you?
Yes!! Please, send the stuff about Troy. It seems that although I'm always interested in stray articles, and feel a compulsion to edit the flow of the English prose, finding great references are not my best attribute. I'll put the references in, if you want to send me the information. Ask: what is the best place? Here is OK, I guess. You can also reach me by email at: leah2saints@yahoo.com I will be happy to help and learn this wikipedia editing with you! --leahtwosaints (talk) 21:43, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't see it. I delete everything in the Bulk area, so it might have gone that way. Check your talk page, OK? I'm not sure I can help much right now. I just found the Dixie Chicks page has been Plagiarized for the past two years. OH GAWD! --leahtwosaints (talk) 10:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Image copyright problem with Image:Lowell George 1976 with slide.jpg
Image Copyright problem
Thank you for uploading Image:Lowell George 1976 with slide.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.
Hey Leah, that was a bot that posted that message. I don't think a human will be watching your page for questions. I've never uploaded an image, so I can't help you with it. I suggest you repost your question at the media copyright questions page as suggested in the bot's message. AletaSing13:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Dixie Chicks changes
In reply to the note you left on my talk page asking two questions: how to make a separate page for a subject's political controversy, and where to find historical Dixie Chicks info. On the first, I have no idea -- you've spent more time on Wikipedia than I have in the past few months. However, I would suggest leaving the info about the political controversy in the main article, since the controversy redefined the group entirely. That's why I call this era "Dixie Chicks v3.0" on my site. As far as historical info (Dixie Chicks v1.0), that's what my site is about, so please feel free to use it as a reference as much as you would like. I only have a small "pictures" section, though, and I don't think most of the images would work under Wikipedia's strict copyright rules. --Robertb-dc (talk) 15:02, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Your request on my page
Hi Leah,
I sent the mail again to the other address. Regarding the subject of adoption I had left you a message on my page a while ago
Hey there, got your message earlier, but was unable to reply until now. I would be more than happy to help you out/assist you with anything Wikipedia related. If you wish to make it a formal adoption, just let me know. If not, then you are more than welcome to bug the heck out of me with questions : ) Wisdom89(T / C)05:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello again! What I'll do is set up a subpage on my userpage for adoption. There you and I can get acquainted and see what your goals are for Wikipedia. Sorry it took me a day or two to respond, I've been a little busy, but that should change this week, don't worry. I'll let you know when the page is ready. In the meantime, if you have any other questions, you may drop them on my talk page. I'll probably answer them there. I'm leaving you this message here just in case you didn't have my talk page watchlisted. Cheers matey. Wisdom89(T / C)00:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello, members and friends of WP:LGBT! I'm not one to be writing newsletters, but I miss our cruise director, Miss Julie, and our project is drifting along with a few leaking plugs in the bottom of the boat. Hey, it happens. Every group we join goes through changes. If Wikipedia weren't so interesting it wouldn't also be so frustrating sometimes. And vice versa. More than one Wikiproject has tumbleweeds blowing through it, but this is one that can't afford to let that happen. Even if you pop in to the talk page of the project, you can let us know you're still around.
WP:LGBT's Role in HIV / AIDS articles
It wouldn't be a proper gay community without a li'l bit o' drama! That's right. If we aren't arguing about something, then we should be asking if we're still queer. Maybe that's for the best, since we know we're still kicking. Our most recent topic is how far the role of our project should go in dipping our toes into HIV/AIDS articles. The main AIDS article was delisted as a Featured Article last month, sadly. (Sending a swift kick to WP:Medicine.) A spirited discussion is available for your entertainment on the WP:LGBT talk page about just how much of HIV and AIDS should we take on. As ever, we'll take your opinions under advisement. We're going to have to, because it doesn't seem to have been settled.
Is Pride POV?
We have a pretty cool sidebar that identifies core LGBT articles. Its symbol is the iconic gay pride flag, much like other Wikiprojects have iconic symbols denoting the topic is a core subject in a series of articles. However, a question recently arose asking if the symbol itself is not neutral. Should a pride flag show up at the top of the article on Conversion therapy? How else would anyone know the article is about queer issues? Is there another symbol that is as widely recognized and that includes all our many splintered facets? At what point do we stop asking ourselves all these questions and just go have a mint julep on the verandah and stop caring?
For the love of all that is holy, no Kool Aid jokes. However, an editor involved in pioneering San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk's article has included a section about the late supervisor's support of Jim Jones and the People's Temple. While it may be accurate, there is a Request for Comment regarding how much emphasis the section places on Milk's support in light of his overall political influence on the city, and indeed the rest of the United States. Milk's article is a sad one in more ways than one. It lacks the detail and heart that honors its subject. Anyone want to do a barter with me? I'll bring Harvey Milk to featured status (give me a month or two so I can read stuff), if you do something of equal value to WP:LGBT?? Make me an offer...
Queer Studies is offensive!
The established branch of study known as Queer studies was brought up as an category for deletion because an editor was offended by the use of "queer" in the title. It was overwhelmingly rejected mostly by the usernames I see here on our Wikiproject page. (A clue that I know you are out there, hiding...biding your time...) So, I wish I could congratulate you, but now I'm all confused by my sympathy for the editor who was offended. So, if you're reading this, Moni has a short memory and can't remember your username. Don't be put off by our demonstrative pushiness. Join us. We can always use involved editors.
What can you do to help the project out? Be a wiki-fairy, on many levels. There are all kinds of articles that need help. Why, just this morning I removed those ugly wikify and cleanup tags from four articles at random. If you can put [[ ]] around stuff, you can clean up articles. There's a list of articles that need attention at the top of the WP:LGBT talk page. Or you can start with the Lambda Literary Awards, where the goddess of my altar received a pioneering award, and was "reduced to rubble" by Katherine V. Forrest's wonderful speech. The 20th ceremony of the Lambda Literary Awards, which celebrates LGBT literature, took place in West Hollywood on May 29th [1]. The page needs to be updated with the new winners, to be found on the official website [2].
Why on earth would someone want to delete material about homosexuality? 'Tis truly a mystery. But these embattled articles have some random evil gnomes removing information that places these folks under our queer umbrella. Help us keep an eye out for the deletions. Take a peek at the articles, familiarize yourselves with the info, and be handy with the undo function in the article history. If tempers flare, take it to the Hall monitors and let them sort it out. Best solution is to make sure your sources are immaculate.
This month's Wiki stars
This is what I get for opening my big fat mouth and suggesting the newsletter should be revived. Here I am writing it. So, to pat self on back (*cough*) Mulholland Dr. became a featured article in May. This is A Good Thing since it is my personal declaration that there is no such thing as lesbian porn. I don't care what Benjiboi says about the video collection at goodvibes. Instead, we have hot women who connect on a deep, personal, soul-touching level, so this film should qualify as some of the skankiest porn available for lesbians. Plus, it's completely confusing and surreal! D'you think Laura Harring would care that the article is featured? I don't think so either... (Call me, Laura!)
Compulsive hoarding of templates
Once I saw a harrowing episode of Animal Planet's Animal Cops where this guy had, like, 250 cats in his house and it freaked me right out. I'm drawing a parallel between 250 cats and, well...three, really, templates in articles involving LGBT issues. Can we stick to one, maybe? In the aforementioned Harvey Milk's article there's a core LGBT template, a link to the LGBT portal, and a sidebar for LGBT rights. Jiminy! You'd think we weren't the folk to set industrial grey carpeting and track lighting in vogue. An LGBT footer was designed to link to articles of interest that aren't the aforementioned core articles. What do you think, can we have either an LGBT template for core articles, a footer for LGBT articles that are high profile but not core, or an LGBT rights template? As ever, anything's up for discussion on the WP:LGBT talk page.
It's June, Pride month. Wear sunscreen, stay hydrated, get a designated driver, then go half-dressed in the streets find a girlfriend or boyfriend, or some homo who's standing there looking lonely and kiss 'em up real good. Remember, it all started 39 years ago when a bunch of drag queens just got fed the f*ck up by the cops raiding the bar and dragging them all out to the pokey again. Rock on, queens! Enjoy your celebrations. My town's is in October, and 200 people attend. I miss Denver.
It looks like we've picked up a lot of talent lately. We have no doubt you'll be making your indelible mark on LGBT knowledge as we know it, here at Wikipedia.
In the immortal words of Miss Julie, "May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon."
We miss you, Miss Julie, as well as all the others who have graced our project and are on wiki-breaks or just got fed up with all the nuttiness and went to live their lives. Get your stupid houses built and hurry up and come back. --Moni3 (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
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To respond to your question, I'm not quite sure how Flickr image importing works. The topic is discussed at WP:Image#Finding images on the Internet, and as I understand it, some Flickr images are licensed in a way that we can use them, and some aren't. If you look at Flickr images that are used on WP, like Image:Pete Yorn in Austin, Texas.jpg, you'll see that they have a big green checkmark in them, signifying that someone has approved their licensing for WP use. I'm not sure what the process is that gets that. I myself have never brought in any Flickr images; the Dixie Chicks photos you see that I uploaded are all ones that I took myself at concerts (not great, but better than nothing), so I just uploaded them directly from my computer, selecting one of the WP licenses. Sorry I can't be more help on this one. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Alright. I have been watching for images of musical artists who are missing from the english wikipedia, or who can surely use more photographs to grace their page, and have found some folks with great photos. I emailed "ViVi" (a pro photographer) who uploaded a Pete Yorn photo (who opened and/or performed before the Dixie Chicks a few times), as well as at least one good band photo of Dixie Chicks together, plus some individual pics of the trio individually. I noticed photos of Derek Trucks and the Derek Trucks Band, which needs a stub, BTW, separately from his own page. I've also found a guy with two great photos of Lowell George playing up close with the slide which won him fame, but he can't recall who sold him those photos, so does that mean they aren't usable? It's been 30 years now! And finally, one of Lisa Fischer, who sings backing vocals with the Rolling Stones but I think that pic isn't OK, b/c the poster doesn't remember where she got it from. Since I'm disabled, I can't get out to places anymore to enjoy concerts or take my own photos. I found this page: [3] for uploading pics. I think it helps to take the time out to contact people with Flickr photos to either wikipedia or wikimedia! --leahtwosaints (talk) 18:00, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
At a guess, if somebody buys a print of the photograph, they don't own the copyright, the original photographer still does (think Ansel Adams prints, etc.). If somebody buys the negative of the photograph, then maybe they now own the copyright too. How does it work with digital photography? No clue! As for Flickr image use, at this point you know more about it than I do. It's never easy with images and Wikipedia ... Wasted Time R (talk) 13:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Regarding your prior questions, the Dixie Chicks infobox genre list formatting seems to be correct. (People will always disagree over what the genres should be, but that's another matter.) Regarding new people, band, or song articles, the best way is to find an existing article that's close to the one you want to add and modify it. So for example if you want to create You Were Mine, start with either There's Your Trouble or Wide Open Spaces (song), both of which were also #1 country singles from the same album and thus will use a lot of the same boxes and fields and categories. Do "edit this page" on one of them, copy the whole contents, then start the new article by clicking the above redlink, and paste everything into that. Then start editing to change all the names and other details and everything else to describe the new song. Then when it looks semi-reasonable, "save page" it and then keep doing further work on it, etc. Wasted Time R (talk) 13:19, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Re: Your query on my page
Hey Leah, I've never tried to bring images over here from Commons. It's probably not a big deal, but since I've never tried to do it, I reiterated your query, asking those who have to please help you. With luck, someone will respond soon. :) AletaSing19:15, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
OK, Moni and I have been "talking" in the thread on my page. It apparently is trivial to use an image once it's on Commons. Read through what Moni says, and see if that gives you what you need to run with this now. AletaSing19:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
An unfortunate effect of a group less active than in the past is that our articles lose integrity. This one is at Good Article Review for that reason. The talk page is quite active as a result. You have the opportunity to help. This is the corest of our core articles, and it needs some attention because it gets a lot of controversial input from many sides. If you can spare any time to edit the article, please do what you can.
Soon after we were informed that Homosexuality is being scrutinized, we heard the same for one of our few Featured Articles. As a participant of the Featured Article process, I think this is actually a good thing. The standards for Featured Articles are getting higher with time. But as a member of this project, that means that a few of ours may be de-listed unless someone can swoop in and save them. This one has to do with the designation of homosexuality as a crime in Germany. Most of this article's sources are in German. If anyone has any particular skill in this area, please lend a hand!
I know you folks think I have much experience in a gay bathhouse, and I hate to disappoint you, but I actually do not. I seem like the sort of person who likes to stroll about in a towel. Shocking, no? It appears that Ashleyvh is single-handedly addressing all the problems with this article at its GA Review. While that's pretty impressive, it's also no doubt exhausting. Can anyone help out there?
In what I hope will counter the jolt of re-evaluating three Good or Featured Articles, José Sarria and Janet Jackson as gay icon passed as Good Articles, and Black Cat Bar (famous San Francisco oft-raided gay bar) is nominated, all by Otto4711. Rock on, man. You're a machine. Good luck with your nominations. What is it about women that make them gay icons? And are there lesbian icons that aren't lesbians? How about bisexual icons? Am I the only lesbian who reacts with soul-trembling fear at the sight of Angelina Jolie?
New WP:LGBT studies member Pinkkeith has done this cool thing. If you click on that link, you'll see all the articles, categories, templates, and miscellany up for deletion. They're usually there because they're not considered to be not notable. That can be a relative concept, and sometimes it has to be argued that topics pertaining to gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender issues are notable.
It seems a recurring issue which articles to tag, and what to say about a topic that's tagged. Certainly, because an article falls under our scope doesn't necessarily make the person gay. Florida Governor Charlie Crist has been rumored to be gay in some newspaper accounts. Although we all know Fred Phelps is supergay, he won't admit it so instead he does the absolutely awfulest anti-gay things on the planet to deflect suspicion. NAMBLA, the red headed stepchild of the LGBT world, is tagged with an explanation we have yet to decide if we'll keep.
In the lurking I do around and about on Wiki, I've long been astounded at the forbearance Benjiboi has for the utterly insane. Perhaps not so much, since the message on Benji's talk page notes frequent absences due to homophobia and transphobia. But it takes some kind of ... something that I don't have to face the constant anti-gay POV Benji does.
Benjiboi is a a bit of a WikiFaerie, a WikiGnome and also a member of the Article Rescue Squadron in addition to being a LGBT project member. A few of Benjiboi's favorite links for making the wikiverse more fab are:
Becksguy didn’t start actively editing until May 2007. His most frequent tasks on Wiki include reverting vandalism to LGBT articles and creating new project-related articles. He comes from New York state, and to prove not all of us are teenagers (ha! I am so totally 15!) he's in his 60s and retired.
Becksguy considers his biggest triumph on Wikipedia so far was a DYK in December 2007 for the first-ever newspaper report on what became AIDS, in the New York Native. He's also helped save several project-related articles from deletion. His lowest moment here was getting involved in the discussion on a particular terrorism related article, thinking he could help calm the roiled waters on an extremely contentious subject with multiple edit wars and passionate editors.
Here at WP:LGBT, he creates and improves articles that present notable LGBT related subjects in a fair and balanced way, and tries to include more of the significant alternative sexuality related subjects without being an activist, and works to better source project-related articles.
On Wikipedia as a whole, he says, "I think we need to learn better what processes work for a massive collaborative project. Some of what worked well for a more informal small project doesn’t scale up well. Process is not as important when the participants know each other. We need to get more of the current members to be more active. If more members were energized, the project would be able to accomplish more. We should be, in effect, the smaller and included Wikipedia for LGBT related subjects. Overall, I wish we could focus more on content creation and improvement, and less on vandal fighting."
"A Supreme Court decision in 1958 reversed a 1956 ruling by a federal district court that U.S. postal authorities were correct in prohibiting the mailing of the Mattachine Society's ONE magazine. The lower court had ruled that ONE was not protected by the First Amendment because the magazine's contents 'may be vulgar, offensive, and indecent even though not regarded as such by a particular group ... because their own social or moral standards are far below those of the general community ... Social standards are fixed by and for the great majority and not by and for a hardened or weakened minority.'" - Michael Bronski in Pulp Friction, 2003
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