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seems the person who deleted it may have stopped talking to me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Malik_Shabazz#insult

As far as i can see, malik referred you to deletion review if you wish to challenge the pages removal, or asks that you provide reliable sources that verify its notability beyond being merely a word. I see he requested this several times but hasn't received the requested response for you. Since the burden of evidence lies with the contributer adding the material, i presume he considers the discussion to be closed unless the requested information is supplied / a deletion review is started. Excirial^(Contact me,Contribs) 07:30, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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April 2012

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Time

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I give up on emogay. Given the way I have been treated on the emogay situation I will not be much involved with wikipedia from now on.

But I would like to TRY to make a contribution and hope it will not also be rejected.

I now suggest that wikipedia have a campaign to teach editors that TIME is very important in editing.

In articles I often come across references to things such as "recent" "current" "currently" "last few years" "last few decades" "last century" etc. These are obviously silly and have no place in an encyclopedia.

So. 1. editors need to be made aware NOT to use such phrases 2 Someone should make a robot which searches for phrases like this and flags them as POSSIBLE TIME PROBLEMS

Kelly222 (talk) 22:40, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good copyeditors know not to use terms like "recently" and "currently" and instead use a month/year date or similar. But we have nearly 4 million articles and thousands and thousands of different people editing each month. It's impossible to keep track of them all. ^OohBunnies! Leave a message 03:09, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good Copy editors are great people. They also come in short supply. I think that the idea of a bot that does semantic analysis and looks for time dependent language that is inappropriate is a great idea. It would even help those Unicorn Copy editors find content where their magic is needed. It's even easy for a bot to ignore time dependent language inside quotes, so leading the Unicorns to pages riddled with the Un Wiki ways that some editors employ. It's easy to just go with the flow. It takes a tad of genius to see a solution and a better way for everyone. I actually appreciate that even though Kelly222 has had enough, even at the last they have still hung in there. That's Brilliant and I admire it.

How often does someone come up with an idea that makes the life of a copy editor easier? Now where does the suggestion get filed so that it does not get lost and ignored? Media-Hound 'D 3rd P^) (talk) 17:12, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

		What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
		A bot to semantically seek out time dependent language that keeps on being misused and dragging the quality of Wikipedia down - thereby focusing the skills of people such as copy editors where they are most required Media-Hound 'D 3rd P^) (talk) 17:12, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia: check out the Teahouse!

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Hi Kelly222! someone noticed you might be feeling frustrated and wondered if the Teahouse would be helpful to you. We'd love to see you there. heather walls (talk) 01:13, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Teahouse Talkback - Newbie and Lexicogrpahers. When will they catch up.

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Frustration and Newbie - when will the Lexicogrpahers update a few dictionaries and thesauri to deal with reality? P^)

Stop by for some tea and a chat anytime.

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Teahouse talkback: Great ideas and moving them on!

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Hi there - I have responded to you over at the Teahouse. I have also floated your idea of a bot to deal with time dependent language at the Village pump (idea lab).

I'm a relative Wiki Land Newbie myself, so I do get the rudeness, curtness and frankly unfriendly treatment. The one place I have seen none of that if the Teahouse. I'm still finding my way round Wiki land and It could do with far better signs and a road map. It seems to me that it has evolved into a Bureaucracy and Meritocracy by default. It reminds me of the Emperors New Clothes - so much posturing and the new kid the only one who asks why there are no pants.

I hope you did not think I was being patronising when I put up that Barnstar. I wasn't. I'd like to work with you and pursuing what is to me a Brilliant idea which can improve so much. There seems to be such a focus on Bots that "Tag This" - "Delete That" - "Spank people for making genuine errors" - well, it's making the focus of Wiki about being a technical wizard and not about content. Your suggestion does the opposite. That's what I saw immediatly, and you were able to pin down an issue that has been bugging the hell out of me too. All the best. Media-Hound 'D 3rd P^) (talk) 11:30, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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"Dolomite Problem"

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Please help me with... watchlist. wikipedia is no longer telling me when articles on my watchlist have changed. It used to tell me. I tried to figure it out but it was impossible to follow all the filter stuff and ORES (I think that was the acronym which wasn't explained even on the page about it).

So I hope someone (like a real person) can simply tell me how to get notified when pages on my watchlist change.

Kelly222 (talk) 02:43, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kelly- Look over the watchlist options box near the top of your watchlist page. It could be that certain classifications of edits are not showing up on your list. Eric ^talk 02:50, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As an additional thought, if you're referring to not receiving emails about notifications, sometimes when a bot edits a page it does not send a notification. However, I think the bug Eric describes is more accurate; check your watchlist and your Watchlist settings (in Preferences) to make sure you have everything set the way you want it. If you want more help, change the {{help me-helped}} back into a {{help me}}, stop by the Teahouse, or Wikipedia's live help channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 02:53, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I went to my preferences then I clicked on watchlist, but there didn't seem to be a box to tick to display changes. In the old days when I logged on to wikipedia it showed me notifications in red to show something on my watchlist had been changed Kelly222 (talk) 03:01, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

BTW the preferences page needs a redesign. The SAVE button at the bottom has a red message that looks like it's telling me that defaults will be restored if I click SAVE. LOL. Kelly222 (talk) 04:18, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Linking in Hedy Lamarr

Hello. You might wanna read WP:Wikilink. In this diff you used an external link when you should have used a wikilink (internal link). That is, you used this format:

• Frequency hopping had [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spread_spectrum#Invention_of_frequency_hopping|been invented], but she thought of using it to generate,

...which produces this:

• Frequency hopping had invented, but she thought of using it to generate

... note that your link doesn't display the word "been" and doesn't click through to the "invention of frequency hopping" subsection. [It's also just simply the wrong way to link to another page on Wikipedia]... You should have used this format instead:

• Frequency hopping had [[Spread spectrum#Invention of frequency hopping|been invented]], but she thought of using it to generate.

which produces this:

• Frequency hopping had been invented, but she thought of using it to generate.

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I formatted the citation for you at Otitis media. It's one of those things that isn't that difficult, after you already know how to do it, but which looks very confusing the first few times. I prefer the visual editor for this, because it has an automatic citation formatting tool. Just paste in your DOI or a URL, and it usually sorts it out automagically. If you want to try that, open an article to edit normally, and then look for a pencil icon way off on the far side of the toolbar. That will let you switch to the visual editor. The visual editor has a different toolbar, with a "Cite" button right in the middle. Pick automatic and see if it works for your source. (You can also set your editing preferences in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing if you want to make bigger changes.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:23, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, also, that's kind of an old paper. For medical content, we usually try to cite sources from the last five or so years. If you find a newer one, please feel free to replace the old one. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:26, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WOW, I didn't know all that. Thank you so much for telling me. Kelly222 (talk) 01:39, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. By the way, if you ever have questions, there's lots of folks at Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine who are also interested in improving Wikipedia's medical information. Just leave a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine whenever you want. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:01, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I have reverted your edit. Please tell me how I may block people who come to my talk page and make accusations. Kelly222 (talk) 20:55, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Read WP:SCIRS - we need WP:SECONDARY sources for the encyclopedia. Use of Google to verify the existence of a fact fails WP:V. Learn how to source content properly. Zefr (talk) 22:26, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Nyanardsan (talk) 04:25, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Species are considered baseline notable and you had at least one valid source, so I've mainspaced the article and tidied it up a bit. For what it's worth, Kelly, you have enough edits and account age to create pages directly in mainspace rather than going through the AfC draft-submission process, should you wish to do so. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 05:23, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you PMC. Unfortunately when I created the article the system made me do it that way. If it happens again I'll try to figure out what to do. Is putting templates on people's talk pages considered rude? By the time someone does that to me they could easily have found another source or improved the article.Kelly222 (talk) 06:57, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, using the AfC templates is not generally considered rude. AfC is usually a process for new users or those with a conflict of interest, so those templates can be helpful in explaining what went wrong without the AfC volunteer having to write it out in full every time. It's likely that the person was using an AfC helper script, so it probably took them less time than you think to place the template. There's also no expectation that AfC volunteers will improve every article they review or decline. All that being said, I don't think it was a good decline given the baseline notability presumption for valid species, and I did make a comment to the user on Discord about it (which is where I saw the page in the first place - I'm not an AfC person). As a side note, where did you go to create this article? Just so I can see where you got directed to AfC in the first place. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:14, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I searched for the plant and it didn't come up. Then the system asked me if I wanted to create an article and I clicked yes.Kelly222 (talk) 20:03, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I tried it myself as a logged-out user and still got directed to mainspace. Was this text at the top of your search results? "The page "Eleeanus triflora" does not exist. You can ask for it to be created, but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered." (I've made an intentional typo in the name to generate a redlink) ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:31, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly I can't remember the exact message. But when I just did a search now for "businneee" the system said: You may create the page "businneee"

Okay, that's what I get as a logged-in user. If you do want to create a new page in the future, you should be able to click on the redlink there and go directly into mainspace. It'll still be patrolled by a new page patroller eventually, and they may add maintenance tags if they see issues with it, but you won't have to go through the draft/articles for creation process. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Citer

In your edits at Macadamia, you are just inserting a bare URL as a source. Take the time to follow WP:CIT to complete the source information. An easy-to-use tool is Citer, which automatically formats sources. Use the DOI, URL, PMID, PMC or ISBN (books) ID from the upper left pick list, click "submit", then copy the resulting formatted reference into the article. Zefr (talk) 17:36, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Medical definition of “supervene”

I will preface this by noting that when you undid my reversion to Supervenience with a note of “do not revert without discussion”, you did not also add anything to my (admittedly currently IP-based) talk page which I linked in the edit summary, in which I included some text indicating what I was doing. Since you don't seem to want to bring the discussion to me, I am bringing it to you.

I do not contest that the medical use of the term “supervene” exists in the first place. However, it is not substantially the same subject as that of the philosophical article. I could see a note on the other definition's existence being useful as a hat note, or the definition being added to Wiktionary and linked using one of the templates for that purpose, but placing it as a raw paragraph in such a way that it appears as a misleading summary of the rest of the page does not seem correct at all. Additionally, I am not clear on why you think that a definition paragraph in that position doesn't require sourcing; if it's as easy to find a source as you claim in the edit summary, why not add it?

If you have a more thorough explanation for why your approach is more consistent with making Wikipedia a good-quality encyclopedia, I would love to hear it. I may also look into other means of dispute resolution. --76.253.75.34 (talk) 13:09, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On a second read, that was phrased more heatedly than I imagined at the time, for which I apologize. The underlying content dispute remains, and I have opened a section on the article's talk page, since that might be a better venue. --76.253.75.34 (talk) 13:30, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Other people have also edited and improved it. Do you accept or not that he is a famous modern NZ composer? Kelly222 (talk) 21:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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he has an entrance in the NZ govt encyclopedia. Is this not enough? Kelly222 (talk) 04:18, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm presuming now that it is fulfilled? Kelly222 (talk) 20:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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