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A page you started (Journey to Same-Sex Parenthood: Firsthand Advice, Tips and Stories from Lesbian and Gay Couples) has been reviewed!

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Looks pretty good, but the subtitle (Firsthand Advice...) should be left out of the caption and the infobox but kept in the first paragraph.

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I noticed you've been submitted a lot of redirect requests - did you know that you can create them yourself? Ollieinc (talk) 04:19, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I did not know that! I'll look up how to do that. Thank you. Kbabej (talk) 04:19, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just go to the page where you want to create a redirect, click Create and then add #REDIRECT[[Target page]]. Ollieinc (talk) 04:22, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome, thank you! Kbabej (talk) 04:22, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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DEFAULTSORT

Hallo, the purpose of DEFAULTSORT is to get people sorting by surname, titles sorting without "The ", and so on, so this edit wasn't particularly helpful as it left her sorting under "M" for Marguerite. PamD 10:15, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jermone Davis

You did not do the further research or notice my addition to the edit. I happen to recognize the name from my connection to the sport, but you could have done a name search. Jerome Davis (athlete) previously existed. Worried that it was the wrong person, the USATF bio (sourced on the athlete article) confirms both school and graduation year. Trackinfo (talk) 00:15, 23 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References and punctuation

Thanks for the help on Lippia abyssinica. I think you fat-fingered a bit and deleted part of a sentence though. But it was easily repaired. Thanks again! Nessie (talk) 18:21, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Aja

If you're aware of any improvements that could be made to the Aja article, which has been nominated for deletion, suggestions are welcome! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:41, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Notable alumnus of Adams State University

You have twice removed an alumnus of Adams State University with the rationale that he is not notable. Can you please (a) point to the policy that requires material in an article be notable (as opposed to the topic of an entire article) and (b) point to the policy that says that all notable topics in Wikipedia already have an article? I don't think that either policy exists. Our notability policy is very explicit in saying that it only pertains to the main topic of an article and does not limit what can be included in articles; that is guided by other policies such as WP:DUE and WP:V. Nor is there any policy that says that all notable topics already have articles; in fact, there is ample evidence (as well as common sense!) that says that this project will always be incomplete and there are many, many notable topics that don't yet have articles. A quick glance at the source cited for this alumnus shows that he is notable even if we haven't yet written an article about him. ElKevbo (talk) 10:53, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @ElKevbo:. I thought it was common knowledge that notable people would have WP articles. Have you looked at the Stand-alone_lists#Lists_of_people subsection on Stand-alone lists? It references two WP essays: Wikipedia:ALMAMATER and Wikipedia:Namechecking. All three of those articles discourage the use of listing non-notable people on WP. As people get WP articles, of course add them. Until then, who is determining their notability? Whoever wants to add their grandmother, friend, and favorite youtuber to a list of people on WP? That seems like a recipe for disaster, and we end up with many non-notable people listed when the article is clearly meant for only notable people. If the alumnus of the university is notable, why not make him an article? --Kbabej (talk) 00:44, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First and foremost, this is not a stand-alone list but an embedded list. Second, I again note that this particular person is clearly notable even if we haven't yet gotten around to writing an article; the included reference is quite clear. Third, our core policy about notability is very explicit that it doesn't determine what is or is not included in articles: "The notability guideline does not determine the content of articles." So I'm afraid that those essays aren't providing helpful guidance if they specifically recommend that notability be required. This is an area that has been confused and confusing for quite some time and that WP:LISTBIO was recently changed to try to make this clear.

I'm not arguing that we should have no or weak criteria for inclusion in these kinds of lists. Entries in these kinds of embedded lists are still held to our basic standards of verifiability, support by one or more reliable sources, and editor discretion about relative importance. Having an existing article that has been scrutinized by other editors to ensure that the person is independently notable is certainly an easy way for us to see that a person has cleared at least some of those bars. (So entries that have neither an article nor even a basic reference can definitely be removed without being contested, just like any other material in an article that isn't supported by a reference.) My argument is simply that there are some people - probably very few! - that clear those bars even without an article (or at least not yet having an article) and we need to be open to that possibility. This particular person seems to be a really good example. ElKevbo (talk) 05:23, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@ElKevbo:, I've removed "Fortnite players", bail bondsmen, youtube "celebrities", regional actors, etc. The list goes on. Most of them have a reference (obscure or inappropriate as it may be, like IMDB). The person you're talking about is a coach. Are there coaches who are potentially notable? Of course. Are there Fortnite players who are potentially notable? Who knows? If we add every Tom, Dick, and Harry who wants to be listed we end up with thousands of people listed on WP who shouldn't be. If this person you're wanting added is truly notable, why not make him an article? I don't see any policy on WP stating we have to leave redlinked/no-article subjects on those lists; if anything, the essays and WP common sense lean the other way. My thinking is, if he's notable, eventually someone will make him an article, and then he'll be listed. Until then, we really don't know. IMO. --Kbabej (talk) 23:11, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Have you read the source cited for the one person we're discussing? ElKevbo (talk) 23:54, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@ElKevbo:, I looked at the revision history and it looks like another editor (@Drmies:) removed the same entry for the same reason. Why are you pushing this so hard when it goes against consensus? Why not make him an article if you feel this strongly about it? --Kbabej (talk) 00:05, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

ElKevbo, I and many others have been removing non-notables for years now, with "notable" being defined as "having a Wikipedia article". Drmies (talk) 00:11, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Of course we can all agree that someone who has an article - assuming everything else is working as intended - is notable. But we cannot assume the opposite that someone without an article isn't notable. It can easily be the case - as it is here - that no one has yet created an article for someone who is notable.

That dodges the more crucial issue about whether it's appropriate to apply notability as a standard to determine what is included in an article. As stated several times already, WP:N is clear on this point. After I raised this issue in a few places, someone else edited WP:LISTBIO to try to make this more clear.

If you disagree with WP:N and believe that it is an appropriate standard to use to determine the content of articles, I invite you to raise the issue there and have the policy changed to ensure that we're all on the same page! ElKevbo (talk) 01:11, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Kbabej, I don't think that these deletions are supported by most editors when the policy that you're citing to justify the deletion explicitly says that it's not to be used in that manner. Subsequent discussion on the policy's Talk page and others has confirmed this understanding. If you think that notability is an appropriate criterion to apply to embedded lists, please feel free to change WP:N so that it's clear for everyone that there is a consensus supporting that interpretation (and please change the "in a nutshell" portion of the policy, too).

I also disagree that discussing this issue with you here on your Talk page is "pushing this so hard." ElKevbo (talk) 01:18, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How about I agree to hold off from continued removals for now until there's more of a consensus in the spirit of WP camaraderie? Thoughts? --Kbabej (talk) 01:23, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Thanks!

(And I am serious that I would be fine with 99% of the deletions you're making because most of them are completely unsourced and that's a solid reason to delete anything but the most widely known information from an article.) ElKevbo (talk) 01:28, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Notability.

Notability means that articles *can* be made about them. See WP:Soldier for guidance here. You have deleted a lot of people who do meet the Military Notability guidelines, those should be restored. Please look in other areas such as Business Notability before you delete every entry that doesn't already have a Wikipedia page. For example, if there are two different Presidents of Harvard University in a Fraternity Alumni list and one has a Wikipedia page and the other doesn't it doesn't mean that the one that doesn't have a page yet should be deleted.Naraht (talk) 00:42, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This edit also deleted several ambassadors among other people who are also likely to be notable. (They were not supported by sources, however, so I think you'd be in the clear if you deleted them using that as your rationale.) ElKevbo (talk) 01:04, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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AfD: Sullivan's Bar and Grill (formerly Joq's)

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Cultural depictions of Melania Trump

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revert of information about birth name and marriages

Hello Kbabej, you wrote IMDB is not an acceptable source. Why that? What shall be wrong with the added information? He is director and producer, so IMDB is normal for that. It is also an identifier at Wikidata. Do you think, his birth name at IMDB and the two marriages are not right? Why that? The birth year and place were also from there which you did not revert. I do not understand that. What now? --2A02:908:D83:E460:216:CBFF:FEAD:FF9 (talk) 18:01, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Please see WP:CITEIMDB. --Kbabej (talk) 18:02, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Did you make the Kristoffer Von Hassel page

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Hello @CitizenMaoist:. Yes, unfortunately I created that page as a baby editor. --Kbabej (talk) 17:00, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think a mistake was made. Did you close Edward Savio's page?

A page you discussed (Edward Savio) has been deleted. He's a best selling author and has had his screenplays optioned by studios for both 6 and 7 figure deals. The articles confirming this are from the 90s, published in Variety and Hollywood Reporter. Many articles from that time period have not been archived online but they do exist. We have the hard copies. Could you possibly help relist that page?

Hello @Lisalindowiki:. No, I did not close the page on Edward Davio. I did participate in the deletion discussion on that article, which ultimately decided he was not notable.--Kbabej (talk) 21:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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