User talk:Joy/Archive/2016

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Croatian Affairs in Kingdom of Yugoslavia

Would "Treatment of Croats in KoY" make more sense then considering what the intro discusses (police brutality, intimidation, vote rigging etc)? What do you think? Maxforige77 (talk) 22:38, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Dukes of Pannonia

Template:Dukes of Pannonia has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Zoupan 01:56, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your support

	Peacemaker67 RfA Appreciation award
	Thank you for participating and supporting at my RfA. It was very much appreciated, and I am humbled that the community saw fit to trust me with the tools. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:03, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:WikiProject Handball

Template:WikiProject Handball has been nominated for merging with Template:WikiProject Sports. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. GoingBatty (talk) 18:35, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Re:

Fixed, ty! --Vituzzu (talk) 22:17, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Talk:List of Serbia international footballers (including predecessor teams)#RfC on "including predecessor teams

Hello. I saw your post here and I have read the discussions following that reference. I would like to say that I support your stand. Players who had played for Yugoslavia can't be regarded as players who had played for Serbia. That is simply wrong and no matter what FIFA says can't change the fact that Serbia does not equal Yugoslavia. I was the one who had started that RfC on Yugoslavia's talk page and you know how much trouble I had with that editor who is very nationalistic and who does not discuss in good faith. I had spent few months battling him on Serbs of Croatia article and subsequently on Yugoslavia talk page. If this discussion comes again I can write my opinion and participate to some extent although this discussion does not lay among my interests since you had helped my in that Yugoslavia rfc (and Serbs of Croatia). 89.164.126.224 (talk) 19:03, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Coronation-tomislav-tablet.jpg

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Category:Socioeconomics has been nominated for discussion

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Big Bayram listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Big Bayram. Since you had some involvement with the Big Bayram redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Steel1943 (talk) 22:40, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Citation needed

The Burden is on included information to be suitably sourced, especially when previously tagged/challenged. I've asked an admin to review the edits as don't want to get involved in edit war. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 11:14, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Award for 100,000 edits

This user has earned the 100,000 Edits Award.

Awesome accomplishment. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 00:22, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

		100,000 Edits
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Croatia opinion polling

Hello, old-timer! I'm trying to introduce some order to the article: Opinion polling for the next Croatian parliamentary election. Any help would be appreciated either in mediation or in additions to the article. Cheers.--Thewanderer (talk) 20:30, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Sock

An IP sock (User:121.205.72.74) of the blocked User:Szm007 is vandalizing articles relating to the former Yugoslavia once again. Definitely needs admin attention. 23 editor (talk) 17:58, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

List of universities in Montenegro listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect List of universities in Montenegro. Since you had some involvement with the List of universities in Montenegro redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Stefan2 (talk) 17:17, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Re: Award for 100,000 edits

Thank you for the acknowledgement!

However, I'm afraid I don't necessarily see a whole lot of meaning in such a milestone per se, I also don't use Wikipedia:Service awards, and it seems you were the only person who noticed this. So while I am indeed happy that another random Wikipedian found something to be happy about with another random Wikipedian, I don't think it's significant enough to display on my user page, and it runs the risk of encouraging WP:editcountitis :) I hope you don't mind. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 11:50, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Joy [shallot], Hey, it's your WP:User page and you get to do with it as you will.

Indeed, I have a user box that says that edit counts are only one measure, It is a simple easily understood quantitative measurement, and ignores entirely questions of quality and efficacyy.

This user believes that a user's edit count does not necessarily reflect on the value of their contributions to Wikipedia.

And I agree also that the number itself is recognized only because it is a simple one (all those zeroes) and gets into six figure. Rather like having an Odometer turn over.

After reaching the maximum reading, an odometer or trip meter restarts from zero, called odometer rollover. Digital odometers may not rollover.

It is relatively rare. And truth be told, in the grand scheme of Wikipedia and your edit history, your 100,000th edit is insignificant. And no more or less important than any other of your edits. In fact, your first edit was the beginning of your journey and avocation, after all. Further, as of this date fewer than 500 wikipedians achieved that mark.

All that being said, it is a memorable mile marker that was earned through a lot of long term effort. Your cumulative contribution is not a flash in the pan. It is appreciated. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:38, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Your administrator status on hr.wikipedia

Hello. A policy regarding the removal of "advanced rights" (administrator, bureaucrat, etc.) was adopted by community consensus in 2013. According to this policy, the stewards are reviewing activity on wikis with no inactivity policy.

You meet the inactivity criteria (no edits and no log actions for 2 years) on the wiki listed above. Since that wiki does not have its own rights review process, the global one applies.

If you want to keep your rights, you should inform the community of the wiki about the fact that the stewards have sent you this information about your inactivity. If the community has a discussion about it and then wants you to keep your rights, please contact the stewards at m:Stewards' noticeboard, and link to the discussion of the local community, where they express their wish to continue to maintain the rights.

If you wish to resign your rights, you can reply here or request removal of your rights on Meta.

If there is no response at all after approximately one month, stewards will proceed to remove your administrator and/or bureaucrat rights. In ambiguous cases, stewards will evaluate the responses and will refer a decision back to the local community for their comment and review. If you have any questions, please contact the stewards. Rschen7754 07:06, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

@Rschen7754:, I've had a look and it seems there's some ambiguity, so let's see if anyone wants to explicate it. Either way, the plan seems solid.

It should probably be noted that I don't want to do anything ambiguous there, because hr.wikipedia has had egregious issues with basic processes as described at meta:Requests for comment/2013 issues on Croatian Wikipedia, which escalated into a highly publicized national embarrassment. I haven't been involved since that scandal had faded, and have no idea what happened afterwards. Have the stewards observed an improvement? --Joy [shallot] (talk) 14:24, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure, actually - I resigned as a steward over a year ago (I'm just helping out sending the notices) and haven't been following hr.wikipedia, though I know discussion about it was still happening as of late 2015. --Rschen7754 14:49, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Considering disciplinary measures against Zoupan

Frankly, I've had it enough with this user. It's beyond me how he has been able to remain on Wikipedia for so long with his blatant POV. The latest example, and hitherto by far most obvious, is the article Serb Muslims created by himself where he sets out to claim the majority-Serb origin of the Bosnian Muslims citing a Serb economist who presents a less than flawed conclusion of the "predominant Serb origin" of Bosnian Muslims based on the so-called "evidence" of two commonly used examples by Serb nationalist (Mesa Selimovic and Mehmet Pasha Sokolovic) and another obscure one of apparent hearsay. He also goes on to cite some semi-deluded "Serb Muslim" historian from the fringes of sanity. I've deleted the nonsense and urged him to tread lightly, but I am expecting a s*it storm. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ (TALK) 10:16, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

A discussion is starting take shape here. It is largely unfounded given the clear breach of WP:CONPOL. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ (TALK) 18:28, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Praxis Icosahedron Not nice of you to disregard etiquette. Contacted.--Zoupan 19:29, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Contact? I addressed the talk page of the affected article. What on earth are you talking about? Praxis Icosahedron ϡ (TALK) 17:09, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Regarding the concern on Zoupan's behavior and his personal POV interference in editing, I share the same concern from own experience. Also note discussion "Morlachs" at Zoupan's user talk page, while in regard the Montenegrin tribes user 23 editor also showed obvious personal pro-Serbian ideological POV interference. All editors have personal life experience with society ideologisation they come from, but some can not access the encyclopedic work neutrally.--Crovata (talk) 18:12, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing your thoughts Crovata. Unfortunately, editors of the kind will inevitably perpetuate the negative connotations of what is actually Wikipedia's greatest strength: that just about anyone can edit. Feel free to continue contributing your viewpoint to the unfolding discussion. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ (TALK) 22:08, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Thread about you

Hello Joy. I wanted to make you aware of this thread User talk:Drmies#Non-native English speaking editors and casting aspersions by an admin at ANI as the OP there failed to let you know about it. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 18:40, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

My mistake. It wasn't at ANI. Apologies for the mixup. MarnetteD|Talk 18:42, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Extended confirmed protection

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Speedy deletion nomination of Krbava

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Europe 10,000 Challenge invite

Hi. The Wikipedia:WikiProject Europe/The 10,000 Challenge has recently started, based on the UK/Ireland Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge. The idea is not to record every minor edit, but to create a momentum to motivate editors to produce good content improvements and creations and inspire people to work on more countries than they might otherwise work on. There's also the possibility of establishing smaller country or regional challenges for places like Germany, Italy, the Benelux countries, Iberian Peninsula, Romania, Slovenia etc, much like Wikipedia:The 1000 Challenge (Nordic). For this to really work we need diversity and exciting content and editors from a broad range of countries regularly contributing. If you would like to see masses of articles being improved for Europe and your specialist country like Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The Africa Destubathon, sign up today and once the challenge starts a contest can be organized. This is a way we can target every country of Europe, and steadily vastly improve the encyclopedia. We need numbers to make this work so consider signing up as a participant and also sign under any country sub challenge on the page that you might contribute to! Thank you. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^Che dicono a Signa?_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 09:14, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Two-Factor Authentication now available for admins

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A new user right for New Page Patrollers

Hi Joy/Archive.

A new user group, New Page Reviewer, has been created in a move to greatly improve the standard of new page patrolling. The user right can be granted by any admin at PERM. It is highly recommended that admins look beyond the simple numerical threshold and satisfy themselves that the candidates have the required skills of communication and an advanced knowledge of notability and deletion. Admins are automatically included in this user right.

It is anticipated that this user right will significantly reduce the work load of admins who patrol the performance of the patrollers. However,due to the complexity of the rollout, some rights may have been accorded that may later need to be withdrawn, so some help will still be needed to some extent when discovering wrongly applied deletion tags or inappropriate pages that escape the attention of less experienced reviewers, and above all, hasty and bitey tagging for maintenance. User warnings are available here but very often a friendly custom message works best.

If you have any questions about this user right, don't hesitate to join us at WT:NPR. (Sent to all admins).MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:47, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open!

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ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open!

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