User talk:Jahn1234567890

Dale Earnhardt Jr.

Hi, in case you were unaware, I've been working on Junior's Nationwide and IROC results all day, and have gotten all of them done with the exception of the 1998 and 1999 Busch Series seasons. I've got a rather busy schedule tomorrow and was wondering, if you're not too busy, would you mind finishing the results? If not, that's alright, but the IP who is helping out with adding the tables added this one prematurely, so I went ahead and made it as complete as possible; however, it is still missing those two seasons. I also don't want the table empty for that long, so if you could get it done for me, that would be fantastic. Thanks for all you've already done! --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 03:13, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hylton's pre-1972 results...

…they are notable enough, it seems. Shouldn't there be some way we can fit those into the table? I notice Morgan Shepherd and Dick Trickle have their 1970 results in their respective tables, although Dave Marcis raced before 1972 and his results aren't included. But Red Byron only raced from 1949 to 1951, and his article has a results table. Is there anyway we could get a template for pre-modern era results (I see The Bushranger's only goes up to 1972), or would we have to start from scratch if we wanted to include them in the table? Thanks again for all your work; I see you have finally joined WikiProject NASCAR, so let me welcome you to the project. I hope you continue to enjoy working here! --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 14:36, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to come up with something in my sandbox. Just letting you know in case you want to tweak it or help me out. Thanks, --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 17:04, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm planning to finish up Dale Jarrett's Nationwide and IROC resuls first. I'l see what I can do after I'm finished doing that. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 19:42, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just FYI, Bill Rexford's page has the '52 and '53 templates, so those may not need to be started from scratch. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 00:37, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Better late than never...

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2015!!!

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My apologies for not getting this out yesterday; it was a busy day all around for me. Thanks for all you do to add the results tables to the articles of drivers that lack them. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 15:47, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Wimmer

Hey Jahn. Sorry to keep bothering you (I see I've left you your last 4 messages), but our IP friend left Scott Wimmer's Cup results unfinished a few days ago. While I'm finishing completing Kasey Kahne's table, do you mind finishing Wimmer's? It's only two seasons, and there are other things I may have to do tonight offline. I completely understand if you have other things to do, but if you could get this done, I'd greatly appreciate it. Happy New Year! --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 23:19, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, consider it done. I also wish you a Happy New Year! Jahn1234567890 (talk) 01:03, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I'm hopeful my night can clear up some so that I can edit while watching the ball drop, but this is a huge help. Thanks again! --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:27, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Grand Theft Kvapil's Car

If I recall correctly, we usually use the "Wth" label in results tables if a car arrived at the track before withdrawing. Since Kvapil and the 44 team had their car stolen before they reached the track (apparently), and on the same day as practice/qualifying, should we list him as a "Wth" or not add anything? Zappa24Mati 02:47, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@ZappaOMati: I'd prefer something like, "Dude Where's My (Cup) Car", but the above works too. Anyway, I'm pretty sure the philosophy behind the "Wth" listing is that if a driver was simply on the entry list, then withdrew, he should not get that listing; however, say he practiced and wrecked his team's only car for that weekend (Dave Blaney at last year's Daytona 500, for example). Then we would give that driver the listing since he actually participated in an event. Since the car was stolen before Kvapil saw any track time, I don't believe we would give him the listing here. @Jahn1234567890: correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure this is how we determine the labeling. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 14:37, 28 February 2015‎ (UTC)[reply]
Indeed a driver should only get listed with the "Wth" label if he actually participated during the weekend before withdrawing. So in Kvapil's case we don't have to add any results or something. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 14:51, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dale Earnhardt's IROC results

I figured you might be interested in doing this since you've already finished his NASCAR results. How do you feel about taking this on? I'm also willing to do a driver of your request if you want (perhaps I could finish up Skinner's Truck results?). --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 16:43, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't planning on finishing Skinners table soon so if you wan't to help out that would be great! I actually was planning on adding Earnhardt's IROC results a while ago so I'l be happy to finish up his results.Jahn1234567890 (talk) 19:15, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Grand National table

Hi Jahn. As you may know, I'm also a member of the Game Shows WikiProject, and I've also done a lot with the results tables recently. With that, I'm going to try to bring The Million Second Quiz to GA status and work on other game show articles as well, so I will likely be abstaining from work on the tables for a bit. While I'm working with the game shows, do you mind working on the Grand National table? When I come back, I'd like to continue working on the modern day drivers, but imagine us completing tables for guys such as Richard Petty, David Pearson, and Cale Yarborough?

I truly thank you for working on the tables with me over the past few months, and look forward to working with you in the future. Thanks, --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:11, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm planning on finishing the results of all the drivers on my nascar page first. I'l probably have some time to work on it after I'm done with that. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 14:12, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! No problem, take your time. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 14:15, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just a question, Jahn, but are you planning to finish this up yourself (one you finish Standridge's results, of course)? If you're too busy, I can maybe take it on, but with my line of work I'm not sure I'll be able to do it in a timely manner... --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 16:05, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Jahn1234567890: I hate to keep bothering you if you're busy Jahn (I am, part of the reason I haven't been working on tables lately) but now that you've taken on Buddy Baker (may he rest in peace), who of course raced before the Modern Era, are you planning to finish this up anytime soon? Again, no sweat if you're busy, but you're probably more equipped to do it than me and will probably be able to do a faster, more efficient job. Thanks, --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 18:24, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Bentvfan54321: I haven't planned anything yet at the moment, so I'll what I can do. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 19:02, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Jahn1234567890: Great! Unfortunately, real life work's caught up with me lately, and in a few days, I'll have to add that "At school" template to my user page again. I can only imagine how much there is to do that I would love to do, if I had the time. Thanks again! --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 21:09, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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"can we have xfinity Series results required"

Those are the words of our dearest IP friend, referring to Kevin Harvick's page. Since I'm working with the game show project right now, do you mind finishing these results (on my user page is fine, I won't be editing that until I finish my game show work) if the IP doesn't get around to it? I'll certainly be back soon; I want to see how much I can do with a couple of articles (The Price Is Right (U.S. game show) and Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?) first, then work on the tables for the drivers on my page as well as some of the pre-1972 drivers. Many thanks again, --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 19:56, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately I'm ill at the moment. I will probably have a look at it after the weekend. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 23:07, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No problem; my apologies if I came off as "please-Jahn-get-it-done-now-so-we-don't-have-to-worry-about-this-IP" because that was not my intention. Take your time to recover and get some rest if you aren't feeling well. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 23:37, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Zappa24Mati 14:00, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You had me thinking for a moment, but then I realized it was April Fool's Day! Haha good one! Jahn1234567890 (talk) 15:23, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Should there be a way to note relief drivers in the results tables?

Since we note that "Driver X qualified for Driver Y", should we do something similar if a driver replaces another driver mid-race? For example, as Erik Jones did for Denny Hamlin at Bristol...:

…we could acknowledge that he participated in the race just as we acknowledge drivers who qualify for other drivers. @ZappaOMati and Nascarking: Feel free to share your thoughts as well. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 00:57, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What are you trying to achieve with this? The fact that he is a relief driver affects the result how? The purpose of these charts is to track where a driver finished in each race through the season. Specific circumstances beyond race classification should be indicated with text, rather than try to get the chart to do it. You're losing sight of what the chart is for. If a driver has a high classification you don't indicate why. There is no ACC for accident or ENG for engine. That isn't the purpose of the chart. That's why you should not use INJ. If a driver doesn't start a race it's DNS. If he isn't entered because of an injury then he doesn't appear at all, it's a blank box. --Falcadore (talk) 01:55, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Bentvfan54321: That's not a bad idea. It gives a driver credit for their hard work. The only problem is that a lot of drivers in the past relieved for drivers. I think it only is notable if all drivers that relieved for another should have this added to their result table. OT: Currently I am unable to contribute to wikipedia. Maybe I'll jump in once in a while. Just to let you know. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 20:24, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Jahn1234567890: Thanks for your response, and sorry you can't contribute at the moment. I hope to see you back soon!
@Falcadore: "You're losing sight of what the chart is for."
If you disagree with how the tables are run, that needs to be discussed over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject NASCAR, not here. Please feel free to let your opinion be known and I'm sure the project will be open to discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bentvfan54321 (talk • contribs)

Hylton's results

I see you're working on finishing those. Since Hylton did a couple of '64 races, do you want me to get the '64 template onto the general table? Or are you planning to finish that on your own? --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 18:16, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It would be great if you'd do that, as I'm still short on time for Wikipedia as of now. Thanks in advance! Jahn1234567890 (talk) 19:40, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I will be busy over the next few days, but I'll try to get it done ASAP. Also, if you could check for abbreviation errors, that would be great (I'm sure I'll make a couple…). --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 19:51, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The "Progress" charts on our user pages

Hi Jahn, I was wondering what you think about this idea: how about we merge our "progress" tables together and find someplace at Wikipedia:WikiProject NASCAR to display a chart for all the drivers, even the ones who have finished tables that we didn't complete ourselves. This would provide all the project members who work with the tables a quick guide to see if the driver(s) they want to do have already been completed or not. Also, I was gone while you were doing all that ARCA work, so rather than send you about 37 "thanks" notifications, I figured I'd just say thank you here. It's great to see you back! --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 23:10, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's a wonderful idea to have a complete progress table on the project page, however personally I would like to continue to use my own table to keep track of all the driver results I need to finish. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 23:20, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I'll see what I can do (I'm busy at this point in the year and thus can really only make minor edits right now, my progress should pick up a bit in August). --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 23:26, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Clark

Care to comment here? I added his Grand National results; however, they have been removed and deemed as non-notable? [1] [2] --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 21:56, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Jahn1234567890: I'm about to revamp Buddy Lazier's IndyCar table for consistency's sake and couldn't help but notice his lone Truck series start. Given how we've deemed Clark and Stewart's tables un-notable, should Lazier's single start go too? --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 14:56, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Bentvfan54321: I don't think so. Clark and Stewart are big time Formula 1 World Champions, and in their cases I would say their Nascar one-offs are un-notable. I see no problem in Lazier's case. He is an American and in his case this Nascar start is more notable (or at least means more) than the one-offs of Clark and Stewart. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 15:39, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Jahn1234567890: Okay, we'll leave it for now. Kimi Räikkönen is another case where his results have been added and removed multiple times, so I really thing there should be some sort of written standard for the project. Yet another task I'd take up, if real life work didn't exist... --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 15:41, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Ranger Withdrawals

If Ranger was officially entered into those ARCA races at Pocono and Chicago, and is officially credited with a W/D from both events, shouldn't his results reflect that?

If not, then what id the purpose for the W/D in the key? --ScottBonin (talk) 01:20, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@ScottBonin: I'm not too sure as to what really happened to Ranger, but consensus to add the "Wth" result is if a driver has participated in the race's events, like qualifying, but then something happened to them (like they wrecked their cars and had no backup) that forces them to withdraw. Racing-Reference usually lists "Wth" for those who withdraw even before they competed in any race weekend events. Zappa24Mati 04:00, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@ZappaOMati: Thats fair. I think in one of those races he crashed in practice and withdrew, but I'm not completely sure. The for the second event they didn't show up because their car had yet to be repaired, and they sold their other car following their win at New Jersey. Thanks for letting me know. --ScottBonin (talk) 04:08, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lower-end series

Hi Jahn. As I'm sure you've noticed, a relatively new member to the project has been adding these tables to many drivers' pages. While many of these are lower-end local drivers, some include bigger names, such as the Dillon brothers. I'm torn, because I've usually stuck by the philosophy that if a series is notable for one, it's notable for all (the reason I'm torn with what to do regarding Jim Clark and Jackie Stewart). What do you think of this? Thanks, --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 00:00, 7 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

For me it's the same like Stewart and Clark: Notable for Local drivers but not for Nascar drivers who made a one off or drove in a few races of those series. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 00:04, 7 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User:Bentvfan54321/NASCAR Results

Hi Jahn. You may have noticed that while I'm still very much active on Wikipedia, I've become rather inactive on the above page. There are a lot of things that I would like to accomplish over the next few months on the NASCAR and Game Show Projects, so if you're looking for something to do, I'd greatly appreciate you completing the tables for the drivers I have listed on my page. I know it's asking a lot and certainly understand if you have better things to do, but it would be a huge weight off of my shoulders. I'll probably come back to the tables eventually, but for now, my real life work and other work have assumed priority. Thanks again for everything you've done so far! --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 02:22, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see what I can do. I can probably finish some of these driver's results. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 11:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lead points poles

Not sure if you knew this after this edit, but if qualifying was rained out, I believe the proper protocol is to use italics in place of bold rather than leaving it blank. If you disagree, perhaps we can take it to the project talk page. Thanks again for your work! --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 11:21, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed that. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 11:31, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Numbers and NASCAR tables

Hello! Please explain for which reason was added numbers in the NASCAR tables? (I'm asking not only about JPM) Corvus tristis (talk) 17:10, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Corvus tristis: Stock car racing numbers are a lot more prominent than in, say, open-wheel racing. They're used for teams, rather than just as a number for marketing reasons like in F1. Additionally, asides from being used for driver identification more than in open-wheels (ask a non-racing fan that's seen a few NASCAR and F1 races. It might be easier for them to recognize Jeff Gordon than Nico Rosberg since they could describe Gordon as "the #24 guy", unlike for Rosberg who they might just call "one of the silver cars"; another example would be spotters usually referring to nearby drivers by number than name), they also usually (in NASCAR's case) can mean the difference between making the race and going home due to the owners' championship; that's why teams (like BK Racing recently) switch drivers to other numbers (because the 26's driver, Jeb Burton, failed to qualify so often that they had to move him to the 23, which is higher in owner's points and is locked in to the race). It also explains how some guys driving for a certain team (regardless of how good the team/driver is) seem to perform better/worse with a different number despite still being with the same team (like going from a start and park to a mid-pack in the same year with the same team). So in a way, numbers in NASCAR do pertain to results.
TL;DR: Stock car numbers are used to describe a team as well, not just as a number. NFLisAwesome (ZappaOMati) 17:24, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Gordon and Earnhardt

Hey, not sure if you're too busy right now, but there are ambitions from a couple of editors to get Jeff Gordon and Dale Earnhardt up to GA status. I was wondering if you had the time to check their results tables? I noticed many of Gordon's "most laps led" markers are missing, while others are incorrectly formatted when judging for consistency. If you don't have the time, I completely understand, but if you do, it will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 12:50, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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NASCAR standards proposal

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Speedway Park and Jacksonville Speedway

They are indeed two different tracks, but in the results tables for Richard Petty, they both use the abbreviation "JAC" in the 1964 season. I'd propose changing one of them to "JAX" but I wanted to get your input and suggestions first. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 20:18, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine by me. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 21:02, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
alternatively, "JSP" perhaps for Speedway Park. - The Bushranger One ping only 10:52, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Bentvfan54321: @The Bushranger: Yeah I have had another look at both tracks and I would suggest "JSP" for Speedway Park and "JAC" for Jacksonville Speedway. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 12:58, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Apologies for the late response. Haha that's awesome! gotta love Kimi. I hope you had a Merry Christmas and I wish you all the best for the New Year! Jahn1234567890 (talk) 13:52, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas

Wreck the wall with a cut tire, fa la la la la, la la la la. Tis the season for a folly, fa la la la la, la la la la. We have trouble in the backstretch, fa la la, la la la, la la la. No caution 'til debris is found, fa la la la la, la la la la. Zappa24Mati 19:04, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for the late response. Haha, very funny! Love your creativity! I hope you had a Merry Christmas and I wish you all the best for the New Year! Jahn1234567890 (talk) 14:01, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

U.S. F2000 results

This edit to Sam Hornish Jr., a GA, now forces me to ask this question: are these notable enough? --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 21:16, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Bentvfan54321:: Definitively not. The intro on the page of the U.S. F2000 cites: is an American racing series using the American variation of the Formula Ford formula. Formula Ford results are only displayed in a drivers career summary, as seen here. So these series are in now way notable enough for a results table. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 23:41, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wolf WR1 Comment

Thanks for the correction! You are obviously right :) Zwerg Nase (talk) 20:48, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Zwerg Nase: No problem mate, easy mistake to make. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 20:52, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
According to statsf1.com, his registration for Theodore was denied. Wether that is correct, I do not know, but he definitely entered the GP in the ATS-March... Zwerg Nase (talk) 20:59, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merzario A2, A4

Hi, I see you created articles about these cars – there's no way these cars are notable enough for their own articles. Absolutely never going to fly. Neither car ever even started a Grand Prix. So either you can merge them to Merzario or I will do so when I get the chance. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:28, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Bretonbanquet: I'm not realy sure what the consensus is on when an F1 car is notable enough to have its own articles. But, I don't see why these cars aren't notable for their own articles if cars like these have: Dallara 3087, Coloni C4, and others. On the other hand I do think the Merzario A4 article could be shared with the Kauhsen WK as the Merzario was based on that car. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 00:11, 17 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's taken on an individual basis, and if necessary it can be discussed at the WikiProject. The Dallara 3087 article shouldn't exist, but the Coloni C4 article is too long to merge to the team article. Merzario A2 could easily be merged to Merzario, and the A4, as you say, merged with Kauhsen as well as Merzario. Many of the others categorised as F1 cars that never raced are either very long (and well sourced), or already redirects, or will soon be redirects. We have recently merged a few of these back to their team articles, and it's an ongoing process. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:10, 17 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Bretonbanquet: Thanks for your message, that makes it all a bit clear now. I'll probably have the time to merge the articles into the Merzario page in the next couple of days. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 22:16, 17 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

John Watson F1 Debut

Hello :
Can you please explain why you have changed the Entrant for his debut from HofH to MRD given the References on the Talk Page?
Thanking You <br? Dora Domino (talk) 14:13, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi thanks for your message. I was not aware of that and used this source: http://www.racingsportscars.com/covers/_Silverstone-1973-07-14e.jpg But as I read the notes on the talk page I changed it back. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 15:06, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Darts Finals lay out on wiki

Hi can you revert the layout for all the major darts finals to the style I had them in yesterday ?. It looks much better when the grid is all the same size please view the Championship League compared to all the others. They are very messy it should be easier to read. Let me know what you think ?. Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.251.179.18 (talk) 03:37, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Username change

It's me, Ben (the former "Bentvfan54321"), under a new username. I changed it because I wanted to have all my online accounts be universally known by the same name. So don't worry, I'm still here, even though my production has dropped off a bit :) --Bcschneider53 (talk) 13:02, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Ben. Thaks for letting me know. It will take some time to get used to the username change, but it is better than all the random numbers I have behind my name. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 18:43, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lewis Hamilton's profile pic

Hey matey, I'm thinking that LH's picture could do with a little updating...I feel sorry for the like lol...he looks better with the hat and sunnies. What's your opinion? Freddy23Kay (talk) 13:59, 9 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately there are not any recent good pictures of Hamilton that we are allowed to use on wikipedia, so for now this 2014 pic has to do. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 14:37, 9 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

R.K. Smith

Hi Jahn1234567890, thank you for starting the article R. K. Smith! I saw you focused on the Winston Cup results but he is way more than a NASCAR driver. Smith is an autosport pioneer and one of the founders of Swift Engineering. Don't know if you knew that ;-) I'll update the page soon.

Kind regards,

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Hi, thanks for your message! I did read something about that but I could not find any source to make sure if it was the same person. Anyway, thank you for clearing this up. I appreciate your help. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 20:02, 17 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Changes to racing articles

Would you please start sourcing these changes or explainng them using Edit summaries. There is a risk that if you do not do this they will be reverted. Britmax (talk) 15:19, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Britmax: Yeah sorry I usually do. In this case I only corrected the finishing positions as some of the result were not updated after the No. 26 G-Drive Racing exclusion. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 15:24, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that you're reverting my changes to several CART drivers regarding the colors of their race results. I ask that you leave them alone as I feel that it is within my right to modify CART results to reflect that points are awarded to the top 12, not the top 10. The normal template says otherwise, but I have been working for quite some time adjusting the colors on team results and individual season pages from 1983-2003.

I understand that it looks "weird," but CART is not modern-day Formula 1, where the color layout makes sense. In fact, whenever Formula 1 changed its points-scoring system from the Top 6 to the Top 8 to now the Top 10, the Wikipedia color template changes too. Or, to use another example, look at NASCAR's scoring system. The colors are drastically different because there are more cars, and so 2nd through 5th all use the silver color, 6th through 10th use the bronze color, etc.

I've already brought this up to the WikiProject: AOWR talk page and have heard nothing, so until I'm told otherwise, I'm going to keep editing pages. It looks nicer, it reflects how points were awarded, and I think CART is special enough that it doesn't always have to adhere to the strict template.

As for changing the Wiki links to tooltips, I do that as a way to show that there is no article for that year's race while still giving some information as to where the race was. If all the links are blue, then there's no way of quickly knowing which specific races have their own articles and which ones take me to the overall race event page or the racetrack page. Plus I think it looks better than a bunch of redlinked articles redirecting people to pages that don't exist yet.

So I'll ask again: please leave my edits alone. I am not changing the content of the race results to reflect false information; I am merely making them look more appealing and uniform. That's what I do when I edit AOWR articles of just about every type: I try to make them look more uniform, like how the Formula 1 pages are.

Rocks with Salt (talk) 21:47, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Rocks with Salt: thanks for your message. Although your work is certainly appreciated, you can't change something just because "you feel that it is within your right". The colors of this Template have been determined a long time ago. We use this on all American Open Wheel racing results. In order to make a change to something on wikipedia there has to be a consensus. If every individual whould change or modify anything just because they think it works better there would be no consistency whatsoever. That's the reason these templates have been created: For consistency.
As for the tooltips, we usually link to the race history or the circuit If a race doesn't have an individual race report. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 22:21, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Jahn1234567890: I understand, even if I don't agree. Frankly, the AOWR WikiProject is dead and these days there is no way to reach a consensus. Going back through edit logs, it was definitely more lively before open wheel reunification and it's gone more dormant ever since. :-P As someone who doesn't contribute a lot content-wise, I focus more on making results look uniform, consistent and easier-to-understand, and I think changing the AOWR race results template (just for CART 1983-2003) would be a good way to do it. Above all, I just want to see AOWR wiki pages look more like Formula 1 pages; those people have their acts together and almost everything looks uniform and encyclopedic. The way any AOWR page looks right now more or less depends on who edits it.
Apparently, looking back at team pages, I've kept the race result colors according to the existing template. So in that case all I've changed are the individual race seasons from 1983-2003.
@Rocks with Salt: I agree that the AOWR pages should look more uniform and encyclopedic. For example: Quite some time ago it was decided flags should not be included in result tables. But there are a lot of pages that still have those in their result tables. Some tables have chassis and engine stats and some do not. I try to fix these things every now and then, but it don't nearly get as much work done as I would as usually real life catches up with me. However I don't think the coloring of the template needs to be changed or an updated one should be added for CART. I think this template has worked fine since the beginning and we should keep it for all AOWR result tables in order to keep it consistent.
I also see the Injured stat is still included in the template wich should not be there as that is no result whatsoever. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 23:13, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Jahn1234567890: I didn't realize flags in race results were a problem but it can definitely be something I'll rectify from now on when I find them. So, based on what you've told me, this is preferable to this? Rocks with Salt (talk) 23:57, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Rocks with Salt: Yes, actually Fittipaldi's Indycar result table is the perfect example. A table like this is easy to read and gives all the information it should really. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 00:05, 7 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Jahn1234567890: I want to apologize if I came off as headstrong or stubborn yesterday and thank you for the additional edits to the Jimmy Vasser race results page. I'll leave the race results colors alone from now on. I still have one bit of contention that we might just have to agree to disagree on, though: I'm still not sold that links to general race events are better than tooltips. Because links are blue/purple, the color of the background in certain cells can sometimes make it hard to see. And I still think there shouldn't be links unless there is a wiki page for that year's event. Tooltips also let readers know where the article gaps are in AOWR pages are. For example, look at the table below: the second and third cells convey more information than the first cell, but the third one makes me think "Oh, there's an article on the 1989 Cleveland Grand Prix" but in reality clicking on it just takes me to the Cleveland Grand Prix page. I'm sure it's just preference, but I think the second cell is better until an actual page is written for the 1989 Cleveland Grand Prix.
1989 CLE
14 		CLE
14 		CLE
14
What are your thoughts? Rocks with Salt (talk) 15:27, 7 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Rocks with Salt: No need to apologize. It can be quite frustrating when someone reverts your edits, especially if you don't know the wikipedian. It is very common that the blue links don't link to the race itself. There are a lot of racing categories on wikipedia where individual race reports are deemed not notable enough. For example: The Indy Light series, Nascar Xfinity and Truck series and a lot more. We usually link the circuit or the race history page. A tooltip is not something that is often used in result tables. I sometimes use it when something needs to be explained, but I have never used it to "explain" a race abbreviation. I prefer a blue link over a tooltip as I think too many tooltips make a table look messy. However, I think a tooltip could work as long as a result table isn't completely filled with it. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 21:05, 7 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Reg Parnell Racing

Hello,
In your recent edit to the above, your ES states that Yeoman Credit Racing was run by BRP in 1961, but the results you have erased seem to be for 1960...unless I've misread it! Further, 'Small (1994) Guinness Complete GP Who's Who' page 279 states that Parnell "spent 1961 and 1962 overseeing the Yeoman Credit And Bowmaker Lola teams". Do you have a source for the change you have made, if so please add it or at least quote it in the edit summary. Thanks. Regards, Eagleash (talk) 14:34, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's a typo from my part. I mean't that BRP run Yeoman Credit Racing in 1960 hence why I deleted the 1960 stats. Regards, Jahn1234567890 (talk) 15:05, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
OK, that makes it right! Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 16:47, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Would you mind reviewing some of these? The user has changed several team names without references other than saying it's "wholly inaccurate" or a "j-o-k-e joke." --Bcschneider53 (talk) 01:54, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Bcschneider53: I'll look into it. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 12:41, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've had a look at it and the No. 71 was definitely a Contreras Motorsports entry. It was an entry in alliance with JR motorsport (either a truck from their or Hendrick Motorsports shop). But the car was entered under the Contreras Motorsports banner and that the only thing that matters in this case.
I'm not sure on the No. 99 of David Starr. Also an alliance with B. J. McLeod and Bobby Dotter. I can find sources that list them as a B. J. McLeod entry but also ones that list it as a SS-Green Light Racing entry. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 16:23, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

K&N West table

I'm in college and I'll be away for a whole week in May, so my time is limited for now. I assume you're working to get McGriff's results completed? I'll try to help out if I can, but my schedule may not allow it. Thank you for taking this one on! --Bcschneider53 (talk) 22:03, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's right. And since McGriff competed for such a long time, finishing his West Series results will finish most of the West Series table anyways. Should we also add the data from the seasons that are not available on Racing-Reference? Info from thethirdturn shows McGriff also competed in the 1965 season. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 22:32, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If he competed and we can source them, I say we should add them. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 00:51, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Spokane race

The 2012 DuQuoin ARCA race was canceled and we've left it in the table. I'm always for consistency; should we add the Spokane race back or remove the DuQuoin race from the ARCA table? --Bcschneider53 (talk) 19:03, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The DuQuoin ARCA race in 2012 was canceled due to rain. The race was part of the schedule but never happend. The West series race at Spokane was removed from the schedule way before the race was going to happen. I think in this case a note in the season article is sufficient. Like is done in 2011 F1 season wtith the Bahrain GP. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 19:14, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Timmy Hill

Hey, sorry for taking your time, you reverted my edit in Timmy Hill's page about the Atlanta's race that him was replaced by Shepherd (I knew he had been replaced in qualify) but I have a question in cases similar to this one. In these cases you leave with a tan and listed as Wth or with a white listed as DC? Wth would not be just when the team (car) withdrew before qualify? Because in Bristol 1 this year in Xfinity happened almost the same thing with Tony Mrakovich and Dylan Lupton and in Mrakovich's page is listed with White color and listed as DC instead of Wth. I also have this doubt because I wanted to do this about Cody Ware in Dover 1 this year because also almost the same thing happened and I do not know which one is right one to use in these cases. Luks25 (talk) 20:56, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Like the template shows a white background is only used if a driver has qualified for a race but is replaced by another driver. The Mrakovich situation is a apecial one. He was not cleared by Nascar to race at Bristol. I'm not sure how we should list his "result" but the abbreviation used now is not even on the NASCAR driver results legend.
I have had another thought about situations like Timmy Hill at Atlanta in 2015 and I think we should not list a "result" if a driver only competed in a practice session. It happens quite often a driver is subbing for another in a practice and we don't list that either. To be honest it's not that notable. Exception of course if an entry is withdrawn after practice like Cody Lane at Richmond. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 21:25, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clarify it, I agree with you, there are a lot of situations that drivers practiced for other and isn't listed per obvious reasons, like MBM Motorsports that Long and Jackson practiced but Cassill drove instead, so leave as it is and only and only list when it happens similar to that of the Cody Lane. Luks25 (talk) 22:15, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Jacky Ickx

Hello, there is a perception that the Motor Sport mag. database cannot be wholly relied upon. There was a discussion some time back – I think it was at WT:F1, but cannot find it now – where Pyrope found some anomalies in that information did not tally with or was missing from, the magazine's own archive / hard copy. The perception was that the database had been 'reverse-engineered' for want of a better description. Pains me slightly as I've worked for the mag. in the past and it was my 'go to' choice for F1 coverage for 40-odd years!

In this instance, both copies of Small Complete Grand Prix Who's Who (1st and 3rd editions) that I hold, have Ickx in an MS7 at GER '67. Also here at grandprix.com. I cannot find mention of the designation in the magazine archive here or the hard copy from September 1967 which I have a copy of. Same applies to Servoz Gavin at Monaco. Any other sources available? Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 21:30, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your message. In this case I used Motor Sport mag. as a source as they stated all the MS5/MS7 stats correct. I was aware of the inconsistencies between sources. Whenever this happens I try to look for pictures to determine which car was used. The main difference between the MS5 and the MS7 is the shorter nose of the MS5 and the much smoother transition between the nose and the cockpit of the MS7.
Pictures of the cars:
Servoz-Gavin Monaco 1, 2, 3
Beltoise Monaco 1, 2
Ickx Germany 1, 2, 3
Source wise it's a difficult one as not much sources besides Motor Sport mag. list these cars as the MS5. The F2Register lists Ickx' car at Germany 1967 as an MS5. StatsF1 list Both Matra's at Monaco 1967 as a MS5. It should also be noted that Spark Models list all these cars as the MS5. I'l have a look at my books/magazine collection and try to look for more sources. Regards. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 14:40, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Small is regarded as pretty reliable and has Ickx in an MS7. Motor Sport mag is reliable as far as the archive (which is a transcription of all the back issues) and the mag itself are concerned. The database though is perceived as not being quite so accurate. So far, each source I have looked at, has Ickx in an MS7 not all reliable though. Eagleash (talk) 12:40, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Eagleash: Like this thread on the autosport forums shows there is a lot of confusion regarding the MS5/MS7 stats. I have found this source that list chassis MS5-11 as the car that Ickx drove in the 1966 and 1967 German GP. This source also list chassis MS5-11 as the car Ickx drove at the 1967 German GP. Silhouet also list the car of Ickx as an MS5. It is a difficult one, although I'm fairly certain (given the research I have done) Ickx drove an MS5 at the Nürburgring in 1967 but the usual reliable sources state otherwise. I have not found anything usefull in my magazines/books as my collection pre 1970 is limited. I'll keep looking for more sources. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 20:10, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Your edit to 1947 French Grand Prix

Hi Jahn1234567890,

Since your edit to 1947 French Grand Prix contradicts the existing sources, could you please add a citaion (not just in edit description). Thanks. A7V2 (talk) 21:51, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done! It should be noted that Abeillon list the T150C models as "Spéciale" as these T150C cars were specials derived from the T150C CR and T150C SS models. I did not change this since the other sources list this car as T150C. I guess David Hodges' book also list these cars as T150C?
Hodges' book as a general rule doesn't give the model designations, just the make (notably in this case all 6 Talbot/Talbot-Lagos are just called Talbot). But it does describe the cars briefly:
"...the Talbots were a mixed bunch - three 4-litre Grand Sport two-seaters (Chaboud, Comotti and Rosier), Selsdon's 4.5-litre two-seater for Giraud-Cabantous, 4.5-litre single-seaters for Luigi Chinetti and Louis Chiron (this last being the newest of Paul Vallee's Ecurie France cars)."
but as this isn't all that detailed (especially since I'm unfamiliar with the various Talbot engines and models) I decided to mostly go with the Motorsport Magazine source for the models when I worked on the article. But when it comes to models of car it seems like there's often a bit of inconsistency up to the 60s but I think going with your source as it is a book just about Talbots would be the right option. A7V2 (talk) 01:02, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hodges' is correct on most stats here. Only mistake is that Chaboud's car had a 4.5-litre engine and not a 4-litre one.
A while back it got pointed out to me that there is a perception that the Motor Sport mag. database cannot be wholly relied upon. Pyrope found some anomalies in that information did not tally with or was missing from, the magazine's own archive / hard copy. I must admit that I regularly find mistakes in their database. For example the at the 1947 French Grand Prix Motorsport Magazine says Louis Chiron and Luigi Chinetti drove a Talbot T26C. This is most definitely wrong as the Talbot T26C made its debut at the 1948 Geneva Grand Prix with Louis Rosier behind the wheel. The car driven by Chiron was a Talbot T90 Monoplace Centrale "MC". And the car driven by Chinetti was a T90 Monoplace Decalée "MD". Jahn1234567890 (talk) 12:48, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I've noticed it often has issues but there isn't really any online source (at least that I've found) that I find particularly reliable for grand prix races 1945-49 so I just went with it. But thanks for making these corrections using a much better source! — Preceding unsigned comment added by A7V2 (talk • contribs) 23:36, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Lafferty

Could you please fix the results table for me? The problem is on the 2012 section. NASCARfan0548 ↗ 16:51, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dusty Davis

Could you please fix the results table? I tried fixing it myself, but I just couldn't fix it. NASCARfan0548 ↗ 23:05, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jimmy Kitchens

Could you please add his NASCAR Busch Series stats? Thank you. NASCARfan0548 ↗ 18:52, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Max, thanks for your message. I have added Kitchens' career results. However I'm not planning to add result tables by request. That being said, if you ever need any help with result tables or have any questions I'm happy to assist. There are loads of pages that lack result tables. If you like these result tables I would encourage you to edit them yourself. I have the empty results tables on this page: User:Jahn1234567890/NASCAR. You can copy them to your sandbox and play around with it. It's really not that difficult. Practice makes perfect! Kind regards, Jahn1234567890 (talk) 18:13, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dustin Hapka

There is a problem with his Truck results table. Could you please fix that? I tried fixing it myself, but just couldn't. Could you also add his ARCA stats? Thank you. NASCARfan0548 ↗ 18:40, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@NASCARfan0548: Have a look at the changes between these two edits. It might be usefull to study some result tables in order to learn how to edit these result tables. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 19:22, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Jahn1234567890: I can't add results tables more than 10 seasons long, because that is too big for me. NASCARfan0548 ↗ 19:44, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@NASCARfan0548: Max, you've said elsewhere that you want to be an admin one day. That's a good goal to set for yourself in the future. But if your attitude towards results tables of all things is that "it's more than ten seasons long so it's too big for me," that just screams laziness and a lack of desire to learn how the tables work on a bigger scale. Seriously, I encourage you to listen to Jahn and try these yourself rather than constantly pinging him, Will, and others to finish them. You have a sandbox, so feel free to use that beforehand if you think you'll need a couple of attempts to get it right. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 19:53, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bcschneider53:, sorry. I feel like I should get a Twitter account one day so that we can talk to each other more. NASCARfan0548 ↗ 20:18, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@NASCARfan0548: There's nothing wrong with asking for help (heck, check the top of this page for the number of times Jahn and I were working and coordinating together back in the day before the Grand National template even existed), but we'd at least like to see you making an effort to get the tables mastered yourself. My email is linked to my account so feel free to email me if you have any further questions.
Also, just a heads up, I'm did not receive the ping because you went back and fixed the typo but did not add a new signature. So if you need to do that again in the future, make sure you clear your signature and resign. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 17:30, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Randy Porter

Could you please add his Busch results? I'll do his Cup and Truck results and we will work as a team. NASCARfan0548 ↗ 21:43, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Terry Jones' 2010 Truck stats

At Michigan in 2010, he drove the No. 95 truck, could you please fix that on his 2010 Truck table? Thank you. NASCARfan0548 ↗ 19:39, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I've listed all race redirects to 2016 World Touring Car Championship. A7V2 (talk) 08:46, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I've listed all race redirects to the 2017 season. You created all but Morocco. A7V2 (talk) 09:56, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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