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User talk:JarlaxleArtemis (cont from User talk:TTN)

I'm pretty sure this better belongs here instead of User talk:TTN, but I'll continue.

Given what you recently did with JarlaxleArtemis and WhenDatHotlineBling, I think this applies to all permabanned users, especially WMF-banned ones:

• User talk:Timothy Usher
• User talk:Jaredgk2008
• User talk:Til Eulenspiegel
• User talk:Codex Sinaiticus
• User talk:Hasive (recieved notices after WMF ban)
• User talk:Kompowiec2
• User talk:Tokota
• User talk:Cruks
• User talk:Wikinger
• User talk:Dijxtra2
• User talk:Meco (still keeps getting notices years after WMF ban)
• User talk:Russavia (broken redirect due to sock notice)
• User talk:INeverCry
• User talk:Rodhullandemu (not sure why notices should go to an arbcom-banned user with TPA revoked)
• User talk:Billy Hathorn (community banned from WP and, given his articles are being deleted years after his ban, WP:DENY applies to those AFD notices given certain block evasion issues)

Best, ミラP 00:30, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I was just asking if you could protect all of those UTPs given the precedent with the first two. I just removed all the notices from three of them since none of them can edit at all. ミラP 19:08, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I've been a bit busy. I have just permanently protected all of the above talk pages. JIP | Talk 22:14, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The full-protection of banned users' UTPs is a protective action. Now can you full-protect User talk:Cow cleaner 5000, User talk:Fangusu, User talk:John Kwiecinski, User talk:My Royal Young, User talk:Nipponese Dog Calvero, User talk:Mishae, User talk:Biografer, User talk:Sander.v.Ginkel. All of them (except the last three, who are community-banned) are listed at WP:LTA, so you might wanna do everyone else there. ミラP 17:12, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also these users banned by ArbCom: User talk:Edgar181 (plus socks - I'll global them later), User talk:Eric Corbett (again, plus socks), User talk:Here come the Suns, User talk:Icewhiz, User talk:Jytdog, User talk:Sk8erPrince, User talk:The Devil's Advocate, and User talk:Zawl (third time, plus socks). Although not all of them are tagged "cannot edit own talk page", they must still email ArbCom to appeal their bans, so full-protecting their UTPs won't hinder them from a future return to WP. Don't know about Od Mishehu since they were desysoped by Arbcom but indeffed by an indie CU. ミラP 19:29, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Further, these three oversight-blocked users: User talk:Jerichson1979, User talk:Jocksterdug, User talk:Wumbolo. Again, must email ArbCom to appeal block. ミラP 19:29, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And who could forget the Jimbo-banned User talk:MutterErde? ミラP 19:31, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the input. I'll deal with these probably tomorrow. It's way past my bedtime now. JIP | Talk 01:13, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. This is for you. I left it on because I'm only giving it to you, but you can disable the nocat function. Best, ミラP 03:42, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• I just noticed your locking Biografer (talk · contribs · count)'s Talk page, apparently as part of a mass effort to do this with "permanently banned" users/accounts. Although there may be precedent for doing this on a very limited basis, I don't think this is standard practice or justifiable. We rarely lock user Talk pages for any reason. I believe you should undo your actions.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:43, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• I agree with Bbb23, and I was initially concerned this was a compromised administrator account and almost ran a check until I saw in your logs that you had done this previously. I don't think there's any policy reason to do this, and think it should be reverted. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:50, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• And with all due respect to Miraclepine, they are not an administrator, and I have no clue why they are pushing this. Nor is their reason about "precedent" convincing.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• JIP, I have unprotected Eric Corbett (talk · contribs · count)'s Talk page, not just because there's no basis for your having protected it, but, practically speaking, such a move will cause a needless uproar among a certain segment of the community.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:00, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bbb23, Black Kite, Gerda Arendt, and TonyBallioni: And JIP is now deprotecting the pages. ミラP 17:15, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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banned?

You protected the talk pages of blocked editors, why? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Because I was asked to. See User:Miraclepine's message on this talk page. JIP | Talk 16:46, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• @Gerda Arendt, Bbb23, and TonyBallioni: Should be fine as long as they can't edit their own UTP or have to email ArbCom to be able to edit again. Precedent: [1] [2] [3] ミラP 16:50, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we sometimes protect talk pages of blocked users if there's a good reason (gravedancing, edit warring, etc.) but this is the exception to the rule, not the norm. There is no precedent for en masse full protection of user talk pages of blocked users. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:54, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(ec 2*, reply to the former) That's too difficult for me to understand, sorry. I know talk pages of banned users that I not protected, thank goodness, and think protection could be an answer to disruption, but not out of the blue.

Tony, talk pages are not for monologues but telling a user something. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: "Telling a user something"? Billy Hathorn was still receiving AFD notices years after his ban and concerns of block evasion have been raised in some of them. Also Levivich had to undo their PROD notices because they were giving them to a banned user. ミラP 16:58, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, Gerda, I'm having a bit of difficulty parsing what you're saying, but I think we agree(?). If there's disruption, a user talk can be protected, but we don't do it for no reason and out of the blue. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:59, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@TonyBallioni: The pages are protected for a reason: because there's no use editing them if they can't edit there at all. Also WP:DENY [4] [5]. ミラP 17:13, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Talk pages are not for monologues but telling a user something, - I feel limited by these blocks, and why do they say "banned" when the users are blocked?? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:00, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: We have Wikipedia:Banning_policy#Blocks to show that blocks enforce bans. ミラP 17:05, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Different from other editors, IMO protecting Eric's talk will affect FA content. Many FAs are not watched by enough editors, while Eric's talk page is. When I have a question about, for example edits at Samuel Johnson and I don't have the sources, a post to Eric's talk page is the most effective way to find another editor to help. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:02, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SandyGeorgia: Thanks. While User talk:Eric Corbett is now unprotected, I wonder if User talk:Abuwtiyuw 666 and User talk:Dr Horncastle can be protected since they are still CU-confirmed sockpuppets of an ArbCom banned user. ミラP 17:05, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So what? Are you under the impression that we routinely protect banned user's talkpages? Black Kite (talk) 17:06, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have now undone all the talk page protections I made today. Please, continue this discussion somewhere else, unless you want to address me directly. This is cluttering up my talk page and causing unnecessary e-mail notifications. JIP | Talk 17:17, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't like the clutter or emails (turn the notifications off then) then it's a shame you didn't do your homework first. Cassianto^Talk 17:21, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bbb23, Black Kite, Cassianto, Gerda Arendt, Levivich, SandyGeorgia, and TonyBallioni: Now continued at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Full-protection_of_banned_users'_talk_pages. ミラP 17:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And please do not use Revision deletion to remove simple notifications from the user talk pages of blocked or banned editors. These edits don't really meet the criteria for revision deletions. They aren't disruptive, offensive, violating copyright or doing any harm at all. Thanks. Liz ^Read! Talk! 18:50, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, JIP, last year, you proposed splitting Dinobot from Dinobots here: Special:Diff/920056183. At some point I was going to try and TNT the Dinobots article here: Draft:Dinobots, but somewhere along the way, it got moved to mains space, got a new talk page, and then moved back to draft space. Is it possible to restore the old Talk:Dinobots page and replace the nearly blank one at Draft talk:Dinobots so that it makes a little more sense? When it was in main space, the deleting admin restored the history of the article, but not the Talk page. Thanks, 2pou (talk) 09:22, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have now restored the old Talk:Dinobots page and moved it to Draft talk:Dinobots. Now the situation is the same as before except that the contents of Draft talk:Dinobots have been replaced with those of Talk:Dinobots. JIP | Talk 12:06, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The Finnish words in that ode are so badly mangled they're barely recognisable. I think "ooksi kooksi coolama" could be a heavily mangled version of "yksi kaksi kolme" which means "one two three". However, if the "cool" in "coolama" is supposed to be pronounced like the English word "cool" then "coolama" sounds more like "kulma", meaning "angle" or "corner". JIP | Talk 13:37, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A cup of coffee for you!

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sRGB^B (r, g, b)	(128, 255, 0)
HSV (h, s, v)	(90°, 100%, 100%)
CIELChuv (L, C, h)	(90, 123, 119°)
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Chartreuse was used as a catch-all term to to refer to colors between 75 and 105. You can say that orange is a specific instance of red, or magenta is a specific instance of blue. Becuase of that reasoning, Rose, Magenta, Orange and Yellow should be listed with the reds, Yellow Chartreuse, Spring, and Cyan should be listed with the greens, and Cyan, Azure, Violet, and Magenta should be listed with the blues. The point is I tried to classify those colors with their group through mathematical objectivity the same as any other color. It would be inconsistent not to.ThunderBrine (talk) 00:52, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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