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Daily Mail

The Daily Mail is not generally used as a source here. John (talk) 02:30, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Infogrames and Atari, SA

Do you think that they should both be merged into one article? Both are technically the same company and you did manage to merge the Eidos and Square Enix Europe pages, so maybe these could be merged? Luigitehplumber (talk) 23:19, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Quite correct, the two conpanies are identical, and the article specifically talks about a "rebranding". Bith are of undesireable quality, so they can clearly be merged to form a basis of possible quality improvement. Lordtobi (✉) 09:39, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Okay then. That sounds like an interesting idea. It likely will take a long time much like with the Eidos page.Luigitehplumber (talk) 14:00, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Most of the merging is done, but the article is still a mess. I will not take too much time for that now or in the near future, as the article is not in dear interest at the moment. If you wish, you can take a shot at it yourself. Lordtobi (✉) 14:46, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
I'll risk the chance and do it myself. Not sure if the sources will be messed up though.
File:Infogrames Entertainment Logo 0.png

I also had plans to take the logos seen on the French Wikipedia and place them here. But only this logo (appears to be a prototype logo before the company was founded) managed to make it through to the English Wikipedia. Luigitehplumber (talk) 15:20, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Angel Studios listed at Redirects for discussion

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Did Electronic Arts animate the intro to the British game show Catchphrase?

I was looking on the TV Tropes page for the British game show Catchphrase, and in the trivia section it says that the 1986-1993 intro animation was done by Electronic Arts.

I've done lots of research but I don't know if EA really did animate it or not. Anyway here is the link to the page.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Trivia/CatchPhrase

Luigitehplumber (talk) 21:06, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

For one, I find that highly unlikely; seeking for myself only returns two sources: The TVTropes one from above, and a forum entry from 2013 (both obviously unreliable). As such I would think this clearly made up, unless a striking newpaper article from 1985 popped up somewhere. So don't include it, and it quite say that the fact is so darn irrelevant that it is not worth searching for it. Lordtobi (✉) 22:13, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
I wasn't gonna add it in anyway because it was so obscure and unknown, and the fact there are no reliable sources for it. Luigitehplumber (talk) 23:11, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

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Assassin's Creed Origins January 17

I found a similar table on the page for Assassin's Creed Syndicate. The relevance is that the game is still available in all of these editions, with the exception of US versions. Should people come to this page for informations on which version to buy, this information is still relevant.

Krughal (talk) 12:41, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Such tables belong to neither, as they are purely WP:GAMECRUFT (we are an encyclopedia, not a catalog or shopping advisor (WP:NOT), especially pricing falls far from the project's scope). Furthermore, any of the content would need reliable, secondary sources; you cannot source an entire table using their store pages, actually we shouldn't link to store pages at all. If you feel like the table is utterly necessary, please revert to before your edit (per WP:STATUSQUO), and proceed to directly address the issue on the article's talk to seek consensus. Lordtobi (✉) 14:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for your advice. With your advise, I have gone and looked for finding secondary sources. I have found the same table on IGN, and sourced from that. I have completely removed any link to the Ubisoft Store, and merged thee lines in the table, as they were merged in the IGN table as well. I apologise for Edit warring, it was not my intention, but at the time, I did not realise how the talk pages work, and used the edit reason to communicate. Krughal (talk) 08:10, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Apologies again, I seem to have misunderstood your Status Quo suggestion. I will revert to before the placement of the table, and suggest it on the talk page. Krughal (talk) 08:10, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

UTV Ignition Games discography

I've looked up the releases by UTV Ignition Games. Is it okay if you modify this tables so that it's accurate and in order? Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 16:32, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Angel Recording Studios

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Gatoclass (talk) 14:02, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

About the Infogrames games branded with the Atari name

One thing I don't get about GameFAQs is whenever I edit the pages related to the Infogrames games branded under the Atari name (November 2001-July 2003). Why do some of the staff think those titles are published by Atari when they aren't? I tried it many times and now half of them have Infogrames as the publisher and half of them with Atari SA as the publisher, even if I do give reasons. Luigitehplumber (talk) 14:20, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with GameFAQs' administration nor do I think that the website is a good platform for accurate information (for general information compliations, maybe; but the rest is an original research -fest). I won't be interfering with such entries, so I can advise to either try again to abandon GameFAQs altogether, because an opinion-split administration with apprently low to no exchange is not a good administration. Lordtobi (✉) 14:26, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm likely gonna stay on the site as I do fix up pages that have the wrong publisher listed down on them. (like how they claimed Big Ben Interactive published Legend of Kay in Europe, when it was really JoWooD Productions.) Luigitehplumber (talk) 14:28, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Whatever pleases you. I just think that, even when compared to MobyGames, it is a terrible database. The two should really merge and enable better community integration, and you have a really good result. 14:32, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Both are owned by different companies, so I don't think that wish would happen anytime soon. Luigitehplumber (talk) 14:39, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, that's the problem. Lordtobi (✉) 14:42, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: MiniTool Partition Wizard

Hello Lordtobi. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of MiniTool Partition Wizard, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not unambiguously promotional. Thank you. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:33, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

@TonyBallioni: The article does read like an advertisment, and a tag has been hung up onto the article by another user in July last year. Furthermore, it was created by a user that is presently believed to be part of a dozes-of-accounts-large and year-long sockpuppetry case for the two companies MiniTool and AOMEI, among various others that strategically advertised themselves here. This article is not exception and should hence be deleted. Lordtobi (✉) 22:40, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
G11 is about the prose of the article, not about the intent. The article prose is not unamibiously spammy enough to qualify for G11, but it may be bad enough to qualify under WP:NOTSPAM at AfD (and we can take things such as the intent, etc. into account there in making that determination). If this is part of a massive sock farm, I'd reconsider deletion under G5 if you could provide me a link to the SPI or COIN discussion, but otherwise AfD is the route to go. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:42, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

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Vivendi Universal Games and Sierra Entertainment

Something else related to brand names and real publishers. Some of the games released by Vivendi Universal Games in Europe were branded under the Sierra Entertainment name even though they didn't technically publish them, Sierra was still sort of separate from Vivendi Universal Games until around 2004, so should I keep the publisher listed for PAL region games as Sierra or change it to Vivendi Universal Games but add a note about it? Luigitehplumber (talk) 13:24, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Could you provide an example? Lordtobi (✉) 14:50, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Crash Twinsanity, Spyro: A Hero's Tail and The Simpsons: Hit & Run are a few examples. Most Vivendi Universal titles with their logo on have Sierra's logo in PAL regions. Luigitehplumber (talk) 14:58, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Then, I'd say, just change to VUG without note. We cannot source it properly anyhow, so just leave correct-but-hardly-sourcable info as minimal as possible. Lordtobi (✉) 15:24, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
The PS2 version of Half-Life also says "Published by Vivendi Universal Publishing International" on the PAL version., even though the NTSC version has no mention of Vivendi Universal Games, just Sierra On-Line, Valve and Gearbox Software. Luigitehplumber (talk) 16:05, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Sierra was an American publisher so it is likely that games published under their name in America were also published by them themselves. Only change the name where it is evident that Vivendi was the publishing company while Sierra just its branding. Lordtobi (✉) 16:12, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
So should I just leave the Half-Life page alone? Luigitehplumber (talk) 19:51, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Yes. Lordtobi (✉) 19:53, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
I'll only change pages where Vivendi Universal Games was greatly involved with the game, like with the PAL region titles.Luigitehplumber (talk) 20:02, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Blizzard Entertainment

And even though VU Games owned Blizzard Entertainment, I am leaving their games alone as Blizzard was basically its own company rather than being a publishing label for VU Games, and so technically Blizzard published their own games. Luigitehplumber (talk) 13:28, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

February 2018

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Vivendi

You are incorrect about the company type on the vivendi page. If you look at almost any other french SA or german AG company on wikipedia, the phrase Societe Anonyme is the type of company under law and understanding. I am reverting edit as it is wrong. Thank You KarimKoueider (talk) 15:51, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

@KarimKoueider: You are incorrect. The company infobox documentation clearly outlines what the parameter should be used for (private, public, subsidiary, division), that a couple of other articles (of which you have linked none) also do so is just WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and should, actually, be fixed to comply with our guidelines in the first place. Please do not quickly edit all articles you find that you think should adapt for this, as you are mistaken, and instead retain WP:STATUSQUO in all cases, including Vivendi. I will restore said Status Quo for articles on my watchlist. If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask. Lordtobi (✉) 16:27, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
I also noticed that you like to change company legal appendixes ("SA" -> "S.A.") without any kind of source, please don't do that. French law in particular does not enforce a style-of-write for those, so we should use what the companies use themselves, which is without punctuation in most cases. Lordtobi (✉) 16:30, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Examples of company types from around the world taking the S.A. (corporation) or S.A. or equivalent as company type. Daimler AG, BMW, Repsol, Total S.A. and so much more. You didnt even check other big companies to see what the type field included. You are wrong, most wikipedia pages for huge international conglomerates contain such association in the type field. Think of any big company you like and it's wikipedia page probable has a S.A. (corporation) name in the type field. Although I must say, I have realized my wronging in the SA or S.A. format. I thought all Societe Anonyme companies were S.A. as Total S.A.'s legal name. I was wrong. But you are wrong on the type field of companies as you compare with big companies pages. Thank You KarimKoueider (talk) 18:56, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Also, before you even accuse me of "changing" the type field on all of the companies listed above, check their histories before my edits.KarimKoueider (talk) 19:01, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
As said before, please check WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS: Just because other articles do so does not mean that it is correct, it should rather be corrected. Also as stated previously, the template documentation clearly outlines that we talk about the type of company, with examples "Private" and "Public" given, not their law type. There are also companies not incorporated under any law, as they are just divisions, (e.g. Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures) and we don't leave the field there blank either. Lordtobi (✉) 19:19, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Apparent cosmetic edit

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  • I'm surprised that this slipped through my view; I always enable skipping pages with only minor and cosmetic edits, which works in just about all of my runs, so I wasn't as careful as I could've been. As such, this just slipped through and I apologize. I will keep in mind disabling all Module and Template pages in the future. Lordtobi (✉) 08:38, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Arika article

Seeing as we both did such a good job with cleaning up the UTV Ignition Games article, how about we sort out the Arika article? the description for the company looks really awkward and the discography of the games that they developed may not be in the correct order. You think you can sort out the article with me? regards. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 19:09, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't think I currently have the time for that, sorry. But I sure think that you could try and take on such a project yourself. Once done, I can take a look at the final product and give points for improvement if you wish. P.S.: I also noticed that you like to say "discography", though that means that it is a list of musical releases; the appropriate term is ludography (or "gameography") Lordtobi (✉) 08:39, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit War with (I think) a professional editor

I'm having trouble with the Sonic Advance article at the moment. The user (who appears to be an admin) says that Infogrames published the game in Europe, even though they clearly didn't and they only distributed the game. What should I do to prove him that the sources he uses are wrong? Luigitehplumber (talk) 19:26, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

I think it would be best if you consulted the editors or the article's talk page directly, instead of me, and present your reasoning and sources for your claims in order to resolve the issue. I don't want and am bad at being a middleman for such occurences. Lordtobi (✉) 08:38, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

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@Karl.i.biased: Before calling me out on vandalism, you should at least have considered why I stated: What you inserted as reference is literally just text, it is not the title of article, book or magazine, it something another editor simply wrote by hand to provide (unevident) data. It refers to documents, but does not provide evidence that they exist or can be accessed. This is not a reliable source, we cannot verify the statememt by just having plain text say that there should be a source. And since this is just text, you could have at least translated it into this project's language before inserting it here (instead of forcing every reader to do so) as it was your burden. The fact that it comes from another Wikipedia (local or outside, doesn't matter) does not make it any better; different projects have different values, and everyone (yes, even Czech Wiki) can make mistakes.
It would have now been time, since I reverted your intitial edits, to come up with a discussion, not reverting again, per WP:BRD, but apparently you like warning years-long editors better than that. I, on the other hand, will revert back to WP:STATUSQUO (before your edits), and no further edits regarding their financial statements and ownership shall happen on our behalf until this discussion closes. Lordtobi (✉) 06:28, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Dungeon Siege

Are you sure? The text reads "Robert Coffey of Computer Gaming World and Greg Vederman of PC Gamer similarly lauded the detailed environments, while Andy Kristian of Game Informer and GameSpy's Peter Suciu called out the seamless world without loading screens as especially worthy of note.[2][4][32][34]" I've looked at Game Informer, but can't find a definitive reference as to "Andy" and/or "Kristian". Without WP:V, lets take this non-noteworthy comment out. Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 18:08, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

@Srich32977: The review itself reads a statement from someone named Kristian and a second opinion by Andy; both link to different emails too. Unless this person is schizophrenic (which I doubt, but we couldn't source that either way), they are two different people. Ferret added their respective last names to the citation, although I'm not quote sure where they came from (but guess that they are correct). Lordtobi (✉) 18:14, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
The emails match to specific editors. Andy is the editor in chief. Kristian is a writer from pre-2003 webpage relaunch (i.e. its from print days). -- ferret (talk) 21:13, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

@Ferret and Lordtobi: Perhaps this discussion should go to the article talk page, but I'll repeat my thought that Kristian's comments fails WP:V and should be removed. – S. Rich (talk) 01:30, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

@Srich32977: What about his comments fail verification? He clearly made them. Keep in mind the webpage is supplementary. The original source is GameInformer issue 110, an offline source. -- ferret (talk) 01:39, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Psyclapse

Hi there,

I've reverted your edit to Psyclapse.

I disagree that the publishing label was significantly more important than the game; neither were significant enough in their own right to warrant an article, but both are (moderately) notable enough to warrant disambiguation- the game Psyclapse is mentioned in histories of Imagine Software, along with Bandersnatch, and I don't think it was helpful to bypass this for people who were looking for it.

The alternative would have been to include a notice in the Psygnosis article saying "Psyclapse redirects here, for the game see...", but that'd simply be moving the disambiguation elsewhere and (pointlessly) putting it in the way of the majority of readers who hadn't been looking for either meaning of Psyclapse.

The current arrangement seems to minimise any distraction. Hope this explains things. Ubcule (talk) 10:42, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Oh, it appears I had forgotten to place the redirect header on the target article, that was clearly my mistake. Regarding the disambiguation page itself, generally WP:TWODABS tells us not to have a disambiguation page for two entires or less, which is the case here. If there is a possibility for an article for the game, I'd believe that just creating such an article in place of the dab page, with a redirect header "for the publishing label see..." atop, would be the best solution. You say that the game is often mentioned in "histories of Imagine", could you provide such sources? Maybe we can easily create an article based on those. Lordtobi (✉) 10:49, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
The main problem I had was with the complete removal of *any* reference to the game; if that was a mistake on your part, I accept your apology.
Had a dab header been included, I'd not have thought it was as big a deal, but I still think the current arrangement is preferable. (Psyclapse (company) is a subsection redirect; if Psyclapse redirected the same way, it'd require a subsection hatnote, which clutters the Psygnosis article most people will have come directly to).
Yes, WP:TWODABS says "If there are only two topics [..] and one is the primary topic [my emphasis], then a disambiguation page is not needed", but also notes, "If there are only two topics [but] there is no primary topic, then the base name should lead the reader to the disambiguation page" (as currently happens).
I don't feel there's a clear-cut case that either can be considered the primary topic.
For the references you requested, please see the pre-existing references list for "Imagine Software".
However, I think you have the wrong end of the stick- I don't think we need any new articles, quite the opposite. This is purely a disambiguation issue as far as I'm concerned.
As I said above, while both uses are mildly notable- enough to warrant disambiguation- I don't think either should have its own article, but is better served by a subsection redirect and standalone dab page.
Ubcule (talk) 18:37, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

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Telecom Egypt

Hey there Lordtobi, yes the correct arabic name for this company is المصرية للاتصالات. The arabic wiki is wrong as you pointed out when you converted the EGX page to arabic. The (ش.م.م) part of the name is the arabic equivalent of S.A.E or AG for a german company (legal incorporation). The legal standing isnt included on the EGX page as almost all the companies are exclusively Egyptian. But also as you pointed out, on the LSE database it is Telecom Egypt S.A.E. which includes the legal standing. Thank you for your understanding. KarimKoueider (talk) 17:35, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

@KarimKoueider: Is there a source that states that "S.A.E." tranlates to "(ش.م.م)"? Seems rather odd that there are suddenly brackets around it. Lordtobi (✉) 17:38, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
@Lordtobi: https://www.proz.com/kudoz/arabic_to_english/business_commerce_general/781869-%D8%B4%D9%85%D9%85.html or you can check the S.A. (corporation) page or this arabic stock index page https://www.zawya.com/mena/ar/company/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A9_%D9%84%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AA%D8%B5%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AA_%D8%B4%D9%85%D9%85-934215/. Note that in arabic there has to be a bracket around it to signify an acronym KarimKoueider (talk) 17:40, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
@Lordtobi: Example of the brackets from Orange Egypt (top right) http://egx.com.eg/downloads/Bulletins/212982_1.pdf KarimKoueider (talk) 17:46, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Hm, the source does not outlined the parantheses usage, neither does the article. The latter source does mentioned it somewhat, though their own press releases say, just like the AR wiki does, "الشركة المصرية للإتصالات", which I believe translates to "Company [of] Telecom Egypt"? Much like many Japanese companies carry "Kabishiki gaisha" in front of their names, rather than behind. Is this common for companies to do (I'm not quite familiar with the language)? If so, we can probably leave the "المصرية للاتصالات ش.م.م" name (though without parentheses, as it is not there either, and companies can render these things differently in most parts of the world). Lordtobi (✉) 17:53, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
@Lordtobi: the word الشركة means "The Company" so saying الشركة المصرية للاتصالات is grammatically wrong in arabic; Tt translates to The Company Telecom Egypt. When addressing the company in a conversation it is شركة المصرية للاتصالات which translates to The Telecom Egypt Company. (ش.م.م) is literally like the addition of S.A.E. or Inc. or AG or S.A. Legal incorporation. The parenthesis issue is an arabic rule when it comes to acronyms because (ش.م.م) actually stands for شركة مساهمة مصرية. In arabic acronyms are styled this way to deter users from reading it as a word. KarimKoueider (talk) 18:04, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
You know the language better than me, I suppose. You may go ahead to change the name to your proposed rendering, though also consider changing it on Arabic Wikipedia as well, given that it is the native Wiki. Lordtobi (✉) 18:07, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Will Do KarimKoueider (talk) 18:19, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Update to THQ Nordic's acquired properties?

I've fixed the games released formatting of DreamCatcher Interactive, The Adventure Company and NovaLogic. With the updates in place for these articles, do you believe that THQ Nordic acquired intellectual properties need to be updated too? On a slightly separate note, @Ariel el pleb: created this template.

He's added some questionable additions to the entry. Can you watch this template so it's not ruined by vandalism? cheers. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 19:55, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ariel el pleb (talk • contribs) 20:48, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

The template should be reduced to franchises that were originally published by THQ Nordic (e.g. This Is the Police), and everything from Koch Media should be removed anyhow, as THQN did not acquire the properties but the company around it. Lordtobi (✉) 08:57, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Unexplained reversion in the 13 Reasons Why page

Recently, I added the credits for actress, Giorgia Whigham on the 13 Reasons Why page. Unfortunately, you did not provide a reason, as to why the changes were reverted. Whigham is credited in the first season of the Netflix series. I don't know what other information you need that would help solidify the fact that the actress was credited in the show. If you can identify any concerns on your part that would clarify the situation, that would be much appreciated. Thanks. Elainasla (talk) 08:32, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I was reverting vandalism done to the infobox (where a false claim was made regarding the show's opening theme); unfortunately, do to the diff clutter created by the visual editor, I didn't notice your one-liner when I was viewing the diff range done while I was asleep (which I thought were all from the same user). Hence, my revert of your edit was not warranted but also not intentional, apologies for the inconvenience. I will revert back to the proper version. Lordtobi (✉) 08:39, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
I see you have already re-done the change, thanks. Lordtobi (✉) 08:56, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

tables issue

The difference between episode tables used in for example List of Rick and Morty episodes and the one used in Life is Strange are two completely different things. The Life is Strange version artificially creates the episode template only obscure.

IN WP:VG I wasn't talking about a guideline, I was referencing the verdict since there was a discussion about it. If you only take a quick glance at the discussion page, you will see it was discussed and no one has voiced any support for the table, in WP:VG you will see its called simply "tables". Although someone brought up the guideline of MOS:NAVBOXCOLOUR. In my humble opinion, its bad organization. What it does is add a row-span across the table so that it can artificially create a border. and it does that between every episode. Taking a small class on how to organize information, everything has to have a purpose, creating empty rows for aesthetics is bad design.

I'm no expert in Wikipedia obviously, but based on the episode list template. the colored borders between episodes are added in only when there's multiple rows and columns for a single episode and serve an actual purpose of differentiating what info belongs to what episode. I have made some risk edits recently such as Tales from the Crypt (comics)'s issues to have a red border between each issue because multiple story summaries are saved for each one. Life is Strange however, has a single row.204.153.155.151 (talk) 14:45, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

@204.153.155.151: I have seen the discussion now, thanks for clarifying. But please try to engage a discussion earler next time, as we all would like to avoid WP:3RR. Thanks! Lordtobi (✉) 14:47, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
ok. sorry, not good at this yet.204.153.155.151 (talk) 14:48, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

February 2018

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Unofficial External Sources?

Hi Lordtobi. As someone who has been using GameMaker since the early 2000s, I feel like my list of versions is no less legitimate than any blogpost citing the history of the software - I named it "unofficial" only because it is not by YoYo Games. I still believe this is valuable information to be accessible through the main GameMaker Studio page directly, so since you disagree with it as an external link, what do you suggest as an alternative? If I posted on my technology blog about the history of GameMaker, would that be enough? Or do I need to convince a major news outlet that my well cited information is legitimate? If there is another place on the page it is more valuable at, I am happy to change its location too. BlinksTale (talk) 20:49, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Since Wikipedia is not a changelog, we don't usually link to changelogs either. In this particular case, it is also unofficial. Posting it on your blog would not much of a change, I'm afraid. If there was a reliable source republishing of it, we could put it in further reading or create a table (but only as detailed as the source) out of it. Regarding alternative, I don't think there is one, nor do I think that we need any (the article already is in a bad shape overall). Lordtobi (✉) 21:00, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Lordtobi and thank you for your contributions. On Wikipedia we do not generally link to very common geographical terms. The guideline is located at WP:OVERLINK. --John (talk) 22:55, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Template:Infobox company Generally advises to link to common places in the infobox (as a matter of quick-and-easy overview). Lordtobi (✉) 22:55, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
You're mistaken. It recommends following OVERLINK, as indeed it ought to, as the Manual of Style is there for a reason. --John (talk) 23:08, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
The documentation syntax does link all elements separately (in the founded parameter comment), seems inconsistent. Lordtobi (✉) 14:10, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

GamGrin

What makes you say GameGrin isn't reliable? 172.250.44.165 (talk) 12:04, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Please review WP:RS, WP:VG/RS. Lordtobi (✉) 12:06, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
Upon checking the second link, GameGrin doesn't seem to be listed in any classification. 2605:E000:2E54:8F0:A5DB:D2C2:F64E:F033 (talk) 12:41, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Talk Page

Hey, i've opened a discussion on the talk page. [[1]].  Kyoushu~  ►Talk Page  16:15, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Engvar

Aligning with another article isn't a valid reason to change engvars, and either way, the closest to a national tie both games have is American. -- ferret (talk) 17:28, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Take-Two Interactive, Visual Concepts (2K), and Private Division

First off, According to T2's Careers page, they added two new locations to their jobs listings, "Take-Two (Novato, CA)" and "Private Division (Las Vegas)". Also, according to 2K's page, "Take-Two (New York, NY)" and "Take-Two (Novato, CA)" were added to their job listings as well.

The Take-Two studio in Novato could be the return of 2K Marin, or perhaps a brand new 2K studio, maybe even the New York location is also an additional studio to this mysterious 2K studio, but i'm just guessing over here.

Visual Concepts has finally confirmed the locations of the Los Angeles County and Orange County studios, the locations are "Agoura Hills, California (Los Angeles County)", and "Foothill Ranch, California (Orange County)", just either check out the 2K jobs listings or the Visual Concepts jobs listings to confirm.

Now, for Private Division, the Last Vegas location has to be a brand new office location, definitely can't be 2K Vegas, I checked, but you can check as well.

I'm handing this information to you just in case you may or may not want to use it.

Here's the links to each careers page:

T2: https://www.take2games.com/careers/jobs.php

2K (Scroll down through the locations and studios, you'll see the T2 studios): https://chp.tbe.taleo.net/chp04/ats/careers/jobSearch.jsp?org=GAMES2K&cws=1

Visual Concepts: https://chp.tbe.taleo.net/chp04/ats/careers/jobSearch.jsp?org=GAMES2K&cws=38

UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 22:33, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Avoid WP:OR by all means. You can't use Taleo as a reliable source either, and the other is a primary job listing, so can't be used. Also, even if VC had studios in Orange County and Los Agneles, they would note that in their website, else it is very likely they are anonymous divisions. Lordtobi (✉) 22:37, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
I know none of that could've been used, but I though it'd be best to inform you. By the way, the Take-Two name was a placeholder for Private Division's Seattle office, so this could mean that the Novato office is a placeholder as well, perhaps for 2K Marin or a brand new 2K studio, but as I said, this is only speculation. Still, it is best to stay informed on these types of things, just in case they eventually catch your eye. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 22:50, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Rockstar North

No problem, I've just hidden those edit summaries. The IP's talk page access is disabled now as well. Hut 8.5 18:24, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch! Lordtobi (✉) 18:25, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Citation of Bungie founding date

Hi, I wanted to let you know that it is apparently standard practice to cite a web resource even when you can't link directly to the page with the desired info. For specific examples, see these other uses of the same web site in a citation: [2]. It's okay to require the reader to traverse a couple screens in order to get the actual information. Note that the file number for the incorporation of Bungie was given as part of the cite reference I added; this is what identifies the exact basis of the citation for the reader. --Iritscen (talk) 14:50, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Huh, I've never seen that done before. While I think it is kind of a reader-unfriendly WP:OTHERSTUFF-y situation, I believe you can re-insert it if you think it is necessary. Yet, let's hope that we find a direct link to this info. Lordtobi (✉) 15:10, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
It's not ideal, but it might be the best we can do unless a direct link becomes available some day. If you're interested in reading more, I also sought advice here before editing (the second editor's advice was more helpful to me, as far as how to think about citations). I'll restore the citation per this discussion, thanks. --Iritscen (talk) 15:18, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Year on games

[[3]] I'm on phone so forgivevif link doesn't work. This is from July last year. The consensus was whatever is there first is the status quo, year or no year.Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 14:58, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

While there was no real consensus, most people (including yourself) seemed to agree with Czar that "year/date repetition in the lede is discouraged". And takling STATUSQUO, I actually only reverted a part of the anonymous IP edit just before, wherefore the version prior to that (without year) would be considered quo. I'll furthermore add that I personally think that it is quite unnecessary, and does not have the most widespread usage here (even if many IP users tend to add it). Lordtobi (✉) 15:10, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
I only agreed that mentioning the year and date in opening paragraph was redundant. As a standard the year being in the opening is a key piece of information to establish the era of release. The year has been present for months if not over a year so it would be 5he status quo, and there are plenty of articles that use it. The linked discussion came about because a user was performing mass edits removing them. I disagree that it is unnecessary and would like it put back to the status quo version that was present, until a consensus is reached that it is not. Per the linked discussion there was no consensus for or against, just that we should stick to whatever was there in place by the primary editor unless a reason was given otyerwise. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 15:48, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
There seem to have been a lot of mixed signals and misunderstandings on that discussion, oh well. Nethertheless, if you think that tidbit is valuable to the article, feel free to add it back; my opinion shall not reign over others'. I will look forward to re-addressing this with the project in hopes to find a clear consensus and MoS entry on the matter, for whatever outcome. Lordtobi (✉) 15:55, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Nationality

People from the UK are generally described by their more specific constituent nationality - see pretty much every article on Wikipedia on a UK national. There is a guideline which states this.

Skijump777 (talk) 12:15, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Nationality = demonym of the nation they are from. Hawking is from the nation 'United Kingdom'. England is "only" the country, not the nation state. Lordtobi (✉) 12:17, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Be honest here - if this person had been Scottish, you wouldn't be trying to do this. If you have an issue with people being described as English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish I would suggest taking it to the appropriate forum and not trying to change one article against Wikipedia guidelines and general consensus.

Skijump777 (talk) 12:20, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

I'd do the same for every British country, no need to accuse me of anything here. You're saying that I am changing content against guidelines, yet you don't present any guideline that points out that English is the approritate term here. Also don't claim "general consensus" based on your opinion, please, as the majority is split on what to use (50/50, really). I believe that there was actually a guideline on what to use in such cases, and that one favored 'British', though I haven't rediscovered it yet. BTW, you also dont say that Jeff Bezos was 'New Mexican', as the USA ("America") is the nation. Lordtobi (✉) 12:32, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, maybe the page you looking for is WP:UKNATIONALS. It says there that editors is discouraged to re-labelling UK citizen nationalities on grounds of consistency, you should reach consensus first. Whether it is either British or English it maybe acceptable. --Hddty. (talk) 12:53, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Witchbrook cited source

Hi, I'm still new to this and I was wondering what makes PC Gamer a more reliable source than the tweet in which that article is based upon, meaning the announcement from Chucklefish itself. As I understood from WP:SELFSOURCE, there should be no problem citing the tweet. Alt (talk) 19:11, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Hey @AlternateRT and welcome to Wikipedia! To get to tyour question, a Tweet is not bad source per se, especially when it comes from a primary channel, but secondary commentary on any matter is always preferred (see WP:PRIMARY/WP:RS). Adding to this, social media feeds in general are not well received by many (content can be deleted quickly, for example), even if permitted (also see WP:TWITTER). As such, secondary sources that are deemed reliable should always replace primary sources, or be hung alongside if the primary one offers more information that is not available the secondary one.
The WikiProject on Video games has a comprehensive list of sources we think are reliable for our purpose at WP:VG/RS, or, if you're interested, a search engine that finds sources just from these channels is available at WP:VG/SE. In any circumstance, however, tertiary sources (which can be everything from blogs over fansites to random users [e.g. on YouTube]) should never be cited.
If have any further questions, don't be afraid to head my way! Lordtobi (✉) 19:21, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thanks for your quick response! I'll do my best to find better sources next time. Alt (talk) 19:46, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

By Independent, I mean Independent business

Yes, that is what I meant Hey guys! Welcome to my signature if you're reading this, I love ya! ~ Akram 13:49, 15 March 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoolAkramTV (talk • contribs)

Hey @CoolAkramTV, I'm not sure how to interpret your message, but it seems like it is unclear to you how to denote independent businesses in their infoboxes. Per the documentation on corporate infoboxes, we can include "Private" as |type= for companies that are not owned by any other companies, "Public" for publicly traded ones and "Subsidiary" and "Division" for their respective parts as organized under another company. The second-last of these applies to Google, as it is wholly owned by Alphabet Inc.; per the same documentation, however, we also only take the current status of any company in account for that field ("Subsidiary" for Google, that is).
Regarding the |parent= field, it denotes which companies were sup-organized over the topic, and in this case, Alphabet Inc. was the only company to ever own Google. Before that, Google was publicly trade and at some point in the 90s still private. Yet, we do not cover independence in the |parent= field, for once per the doc, and also because it would make the field rather redundant.
Hope this helps! Lordtobi (✉) 13:56, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi

👋 Booger'd Nose (talk) 10:07, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello. Lordtobi (✉) 10:21, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Mario Rabbids Kingdom Battle

As you can see here, www.youtube.com/watch?v=jum0LImABLI, Ubisoft Milan is the lead developer of the game Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle, and the idea was originally developed by Ubisoft Milan's creative director Davide Soliani. -- Dalisay Navarro, 16 March 2018 —Preceding undated comment added 18:17, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Dalisay Navarro and thanks for letting me know. Unfortunately, we don't quite usually go off which individuals got the idea for a game for the ordering developers in the infobox, but go off which company lead the actual game develoment. Ubisoft's official site on the game names Paris before Milan. I'd be glad if you could provide a reliable, secondary source (peferably from the Video games WikiProject) on the matter that supports your statement, so we can sort this out. Cheers! Lordtobi (✉) 18:24, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Freedom Planet

I assume with "bad sources" you're refering to the twitter links? Creepario (talk) 11:42, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Creepario; yes Twitter were some lf them, but I primarily tLked about random unreliable pages, including that of third-party software. We'd rather nit have such sources on any article, but especially not on TFA articles. Please also see WP:RS. Cheers! Lordtobi (✉) 11:48, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
Okay, will see what sources I can use instead, thanks! I hope it's okay if I then still apply the updated informations (like the Milla Adventure update actually being out already and Torque/Spade both being postponed (Torque was only released in the beta testing versions and isn't actually officially released)) Creepario (talk) 11:52, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
Sure! I didn't the time to properly look over all content you added but it was crucial to me to keep the TFA clean, so apologies to this. If you wish, I can look over it with you later today. Cheers! Lordtobi (✉) 11:55, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

A new page I made

I made a new page about Vivendi Games' titles, as in a way they were like Take-Two Interactive, and so I added their games alongside what publishing label each game has. It isn't finished yet and I don't think it will be anytime soon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Vivendi_Games_video_games

What do you think? Luigitehplumber (talk) 15:11, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

When did Wikipedia not become a reliable source?

I am trying to add an edit and citing a page from wikipedia as it's source. When did other wikipedia pages iteself not become a reliable source to cite? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dajo767 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Dajo767, by definition, Wikipedia is not a reliable source because 100% of its content is contributed by users, not professional journalists. See also WP:RS and, specifically for video games, WP:VG/RS. Cheers! Lordtobi (✉) 19:37, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
@Dajo767: This also covers all other Wikis, as well as forums, fanblogs, etc. (what we collectively refer to as "tertiary sources"). Lordtobi (✉) 19:41, 18 March 2018 (UTC).

Hello, thank you for your response. I feel my latest edit is justified. Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_%22Ignore_all_rules%22_means#Use_common_sense

Wikipedia:COMMONSENSE

Using unreliable Wikis to source unverified statements is not quite common sense, is it? WP:IAR and WP:COMMONSENSE are made so you can literally call anarchy over Wikipedia's content, but tells to go about ignore one rule or another if it stops you from contributing to the site. Adding unreliable citations is not contributing, honestly. Also WP:V and WP:RS are some of the most important guidelines that make Wikipedia, and are not be ignored. You will also find that "ignoring all rules" is paradoxial, as it would mean that you are not ignoring the rule of ignoring all rules.
Another editor has since reverted your edits again. If you feel like discussing your edits' contents, please head to the article's talk page and discuss first, gain consensus, and then re-add the content (WP:STATUSQUO, WP:BRD, etc.). Lordtobi (✉) 20:06, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

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RE:Chucklefish Question

Sorry, only just saw your edit, for future reference if you post on my talk page I'll almost certainly notice it quicker. The 2019 date came directly from the kickstarter for the game Starmancer. The developer currently has the estimate of 2019 for when the game will come out, specifically January 2019, however I wasn't sure how to format that without it looking poor.

Jyggalypuff (talk) 18:21, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

@Jyggalypuff: Hey! Could you link me to the page in question? Cheers! Lordtobi (✉) 19:23, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
Sure! Here ya go. This links to the original kickstarter that I was using for information. Jyggalypuff (talk) 20:07, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
@Jyggalypuff: Thanks for this! I found a secondary source on the matter and have re-inserted the year into the article. Cheers! Lordtobi (✉) 20:20, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

ESC 1956

Hi, your view about excessiveness for venues and surroundings is something that needs to be discussed at the ESC project talk page if you think its best to remove it all, since this exists across all Eurovision events articles (hundreds of), and on years-stability merits, also after discussions about shortening from further surrounding details (which I also took part at and among the editors who worked on shortening it more briefly). Other older contests also all include info on just the one chosen venue, without different venues-bidding.

In regards to sourcing, I perceive location (city; spoken language) info as mere factual, as well as that hosting language is verified from the contest's videos across the internet; in any case the official website with this contest's page is footnoted/linked in several places at the article. However, I accept your point for sourcing policy to be attached to this directly to this section, just wanted to explain my thoughts on this. And as someone who supported shortening from previous material, I therefore relate to your point about clicking links for related stuff, however, me and others still view the event place and some contest's surroundings as topic-related, with room for brief touches and not just as pin-points in the lead. In the case of the 1956 contest there is also no mention of the contest being hosted in Italian other than in this section, where it also feat alongside the Italian-speaking location mentions. So excessiveness is really more of a matter of view and it needs to be figure what to do now in order to keep consistency on this matter across the contests articles, more so as other contests feature some one-venue brief details. I would also love to learn, where did you spot broken English in the section. Thank you. אומנות (talk) 15:45, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi @אומנות, I do have to disagree with you there. While I have chertainly not checked every single ESC-related page, I looked upon the most recent editions on the contest as well as some of the oldes and they all provide the same scheme for the Location sections. That is that there is info regarding the selection of the venue, special occurences at or near the venue due or during an ESC and a very (very) brief explanation of the venue building, usually because there is no separate article on it. This information usually includes how many people can fit into it, whether it was built or renovated for the ESC, and sometimes a very brief sentence on when that building was built beforehand. None of these pages stated that the building is in a city which is in a canton which is near a country that is completely irrelevant in relation to Lugaon.
With "broken English" I poorly tried to refer to the sentence "The event was also inspired by the Italian music festival, as well as that the contest was hosted in Italian."—First of all, the festival? Is there just one in the entirety of that country? I'm sure they ment Sanremo Festival, but how is that relevant for the Location of the venue exactly? Also, saying that the contest was held in Italian just because it was inspired by Sanremo is original research at best, if not pure speculation (it doesn't even make sense honestly, also given that there is no source). It also doesn't explain why the contest was named in French on-screen during a show that was broadcast in Italian (even though I'd that it was likely due to the EBU's headquarters in French Switzerland, but that dips into OR once again).
That said, I'd find it reasonable to not re-incorporate the Location section as we had before, but rather align it to those of the more recent contests, as they receive the most editor attention and thus usually have the cleanest version. Give this, one could probably transclude some information from the Teatro Kursaal Wikipage into that section, though while repspecting the 1956 premise. What do you think? Lordtobi (✉) 21:27, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for detailing, I can now gather there was mainly a misunderstanding – I'm glad to know you don't mean to challenge any kind of place-material which was my main concern. On your edit-summaries you explained this info already appears somewhere (plain-pointing in the lead, and city under “History”) as well as claiming excessive info in regards to both surroundings and venue (for mere 2 sentences and plain-pointing venue again) and clicking venue-link in order to read anything not critical. That seemed for example strictly only material tight to the event like how many people attended the contest itself or built-up and facilitating especially for the contest, as in leaving general known building’s-capacity which isn’t always full or building’s features and history-pointing as well. Indeed on most other articles (also old contests) this sections are mainly focused on this stuff, as I wrote on my previous comment, I thought you view also such material should be read on the venue’s individual articles. This is also after deep discussions and agreements to remove general city and country’s historical and cultural-population details (which appeared before out of thinking to enrich those sections), with very similar reasoning as in your view above.
For what I can now gather – you are right (note: most, not all) ESC articles do not tend to present region and its language (naturally I also haven’t gone through each, but I know few contain such mere words). I can understand your view that region is not directly attached to the contest. I do have to say that the 1956 case merits (unlike most other countries) a multicultural +with official-geographical divided country, under influence by neighbours including Italy, so there is relevance and interest to Italy as well as the practical Italian-language hosting (and not in French, German or Romansh, as for this example). This is my two cents about this.
In regards to San Remo Festival inspiration alongside hosting – I wrote it few years ago (the canton written by others like more than a decade ago). I originally added the Italian-hosting “came out compatible” to the Italian Festival inspiration; indeed after I saw the “San Remo” specific mention at the preceding “History” section. I admit it passed my mind someone may tight it towards original research. However, I still saw “came out compatible” (which was afterwards phrased probably better: “as well as that it was inspired”) as making the reader aware at least for this cultural compatibility. I only saw harm in phrasing as “the contest was hosted in Italian because it was inspired…” which wasn't the case. Since you brought up your concern of OR, I definitely respect that, also the History section covers San Remo’s inspiration.
I think for now it’s still better to phrase under “History” that Lugano within the Italian region of Switzerland and not just as a “Swiss resort”; it’s mere few more factual words. The Italian language hosting can be added under “Format”. I also share I do have expended knowledge about location: I know the capacity and I think the contest’s practical audience (event's-occupancy) around 200 people, and the choices behind the relatively small theatre with modest staging and no special backgrounds (as seen from 1957, under account of way more TV watchers from this year on). Also people in United Kingdom (and Germany I think) watched in 1956 at TV-selling shops as well. The month of May decided on account of “Europe Day” and Switzerland, as 1 of 2 countries with the EBU offices and the idea conceived by Swiss Marcel Bezençon. These are things I once read on personal stories and blogs, so can't use them as sources. When I have time, I will search again and see what I can come up with. I also read "Teatro Kursaal's" article but anything there is about gambling activities and shareholder management which is completely unrelated to the contest's article. אומנות (talk) 10:39, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
I'm not even opposed to adding back a Location section, but as I stated previously, it should contain no more than the city and country it was held in, the building, and a tiny bit of history on the building itself so it is in-line with other ESC articles. Possibly, you could also talk back on this with the ESC WikiProject (which I, honestly, am not part at present) and see if a guideline on this should be established. As long as that, streamlined would be enough. And, obviously, the Sanremo Festival thing needs reliable sources and at any point I'd think it is better covered in the main ESC article than in that of the first broadcast. Lordtobi (✉) 00:07, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
Hey :) I understood from your previous response you aren't objecting to such section. I referred to when you asked me what I think about adding other details surrounding the contest; including potentially from the building's article. To this I responded that unfortunately that article doesn't give physical and capacity features which can be contributed to the contest's article, as well as that I don't have sources for other interesting things I once read, on blogs and personal forums.
Therefore I suggested in the meantime adding the city and country detail under "History" section but still pointing something like its Italian-speaking south-region(and again, suggested to point the Italian contest's hosting also in separate under "Format" which feats as well). So in regards to San Remo inspiration, I meant to leave as is described under "History" on its own sentence, not to suggest attaching it to the location yet again; not even write the name of the canton/region, nor that it borders Italy. Sorry I wasn't clear before. In any case something as "a decision was made to host the first contest the following year in Lugano, a city in the Italian speaking region of south Switzerland". What you think? :)
I'm also not registered under any project, just was active in a lot of discussions there over the years so wanted to let you know I'm aware of such discussions, and that there are some few articles I'm aware of also pointing stuff as "region's capital".
And yea, when/if I find sources for the interesting location/production/in public stuff I once read, I now understand you support adding them and reopen such section for this contest as well. אומנות (talk) 09:52, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

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SouthPeak Games

Hey LordTobi.

I've reverted your edits on the SouthPeak-published games (Excluding the fact their corporate name was SouthPeak Interactive as well), as the company published games as SouthPeak Interactive from the company's founding until 2007, and then they changed to SouthPeak Games after that.

Hope you understand. Luigitehplumber (talk) 14:36, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

The name "SouthPeak Games" is found in the oldest of all sources, and has been on their website since day one as well. Just because it says "published by SouthPeak Interactive" at the very end of the box does not mean that it was also their trading name at the time. The common name---SouthPeak Games---should be used. Lordtobi (✉) 14:42, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Then how come the company's official logo says "SouthPeak Interactive" on it? Luigitehplumber (talk) 14:50, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
That seems to differ on most covers, and either way, WP:COMMONNAME applies. Lordtobi (✉) 14:55, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Reason for Reversion?

References have been provided. Analysis is rock solid. You have no right to do that.

I expect a good response here, otherwise you will be flagged for vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 0912309w (talk • contribs) 21:50, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Hey @0912309w, it appers that your claims lack reliable sources (Free Republic is not reliable) and is speculative at best (WP:OR). You are invited to discuss this with all involved editors on the article's talk page to seek consensus for inclusion, even if unlikely. Nontheless, I will restore the version before your edits per WP:STATUSQUO. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 21:56, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes it is. Keep in mind, on the same article Salon is used, which is anything but a reliable source, and is a very unreliable left wing equivalent of a blog. Sorry, but you have not given me sufficient reason to maintaing (WP:AGF) so I will need to flag you for potential vandalism. May god have mercy on your soul. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 0912309w (talk • contribs) 22:17, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
You have been asked to not edit war and have been reverted by multiple people by now, so I don't think that the issue is particularly on me. Salon is genrally considered a reliable sources as it is headed by professional journalists, and just because you think that they are not qualified does not mean that an encyclopedia also reflects that opinion. You are still invited to discuss this topic with the now four editors who found your controversial edits unfit for an encyclopedia on the article's talk page. Pursuing the edit war further is not advised. Lordtobi (✉) 22:35, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Recent edit

Hi, at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Double_Fine_Productions&oldid=833307164 you reverted an edit I made and wrote 'Imporper formatting for navboxes, please refer to the appropriate guidelines, WP:NAVBOX'. But having read WP:NAVBOX I'm still none the wiser as to why. Can you explain it more precisely to me? Thanks - 81.98.216.65 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:58, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Hey @81.98.216.65, please see my reply here. Lordtobi (✉) 08:16, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Support ISRAELIS for the 2017-2018 Iranian protests

We can support ISRALELIS because of the populism! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.62.19.20 (talk) 09:20, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

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These goddamn WSN sponsorship for the future to make a colors of my immigrations then laughed about the Lordtobi's present of the 150px images, OMG! this spring we have to say sorry to WIKIPEDIA NOW! I will vote HOWARD-HELMUT, for director and producer for the election on September 9th, after the Chris Arai's defeat during the GJSC on July 20th like this! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.62.19.20 (talk) 09:40, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

JoWooD Entertainment error

Hi there, would you be able to fix the table in the JoWooD Entertainment article please? I've been trying to fix the display error that LTPofficial made. Cheers. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 10:35, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Lordtobi (✉) 10:52, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Ghost Games Page Edit

Hey there, this is regarding your recent edit on the Ghost games wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Games

You reverted back my previous edit for the number of employees and Creative Director. While I understand your reasoning regarding LinkedIn, I would like to point out that the user in question (159.153.150.4) had previously edited the employee number without referencing any sort of new source whatsoever. In fact, the current reference doesn't make any mention of the number of employees working at the studio.

Regarding the removal of William Ho, that was also removed by the same user with the "Christopher Schmitz" added. Both of those changes were made "anonymously" with no references, so how about we revert the article back to the state it was before that user edited the page. Thoughts?

Max Lazy 10 (talk) 07:55, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi! I didn't realize I undid two edits that day, especially since I found the Ho edit to be legit. So apologies for that. I have individually reviewed the anonymous user's edits and reverted the article back to the previous state, as you suggested. Cheers! Lordtobi (✉) 09:26, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

CD Projekt

Maybe I tend to use the "Clear" a little too much. I didn't thought it would bring problems to others on the other hand, and reducing the size of the image is the right choice. Thank you. Lone Internaut (talk) 08:12, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. Let me know if you have any questions. Lordtobi (✉) 08:19, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

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Query

I saw your many reverts at Rockstar North. Where was the discussion you referred to in your edit summary here? --John (talk) 20:13, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey @John, if you take a look at the article's talk page and its archive, you will find five total discussion on whether to use 'Scottish' or 'British' to describe the company's nationality, of which all ruled out in favor of British or with no consensus at all. Obviously, all companies located in the UK are registered at the Companies House and as such are, by law, British companies, and not limited to any inner-British nationality (hence, they could move to Wales in an instant and still retain their nationality). The problem is that several anonymous users are simply skipping over this and change nationality over and over and over again, even though "Scotland" is literally mentioned in the exact same sentence. This is also the reason the page needs to be protected. In any other case, we might at some point need a clear guideline outlining my above statement: "Scotland -> country; UK -> nation". Lordtobi (✉) 20:21, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
I think I participated in one of the discussions you refer to, in 2014. I am not sure the situation is as clear-cut as you are presenting it here. Have you read WP:UKNATIONALS? --John (talk) 08:34, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
In fact, yes I have read the UKNATIONALS essay, but it stands out that it is meant primarily for biographies of people, not companies (I also had a dispute over Stephen Hawking's nationality, which I setteleted after reading the essay and seeing that unspoken consensus was 'English' rather than 'British', even if not satisfactory to WP:STATUSQUO). My point stands that a by-law British company should be referred to as such in the article, but maybe this needs broader discussion? But to retain status quo on Rockstar North for now, it should be protected. Lordtobi (✉) 09:19, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Agetec

Hey there, are you able to fix the table formatting issue with the Agetec article? and if possible, are you also able to find more information about the company? thank you. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 10:40, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)  Done -- ferret (talk) 10:44, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
Thank you Ferret. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 11:03, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks

You remember an interaction with Citationhelper (talk)? Well it turns out that this user who made fine edits, turned out to be a multisock block evader. Intriguing? Maybe not, turns out this user was part of a school using a proxy server giving every student the same IP, in which an distinguishable link between users is actually just another student. Would a user really throw away months of fine editing to vandalize Wikipedia? Wouldn't the user who has fought vandalism himself, know they usually edits of vandalism are reverted within seconds? Doesn't it make sense that he was truly here to build an encyclopedia? Wouldn't it make sense that the user just now got back on after waiting months for the proxy server block to expire? Would anyone believe him if he told them? Would he get back on Wikipedia to try again and try again? Thanks for reverted back the agent edit. QuantumMechanicsrfun (talk) 02:51, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Please see

the warning at the top of my talk page. The talk page at Revelator Coffee says that you are a paid editor. If this is true, you also need a notice on your user page, in the edit summary, or on the talk page - for each edit that you make on the page, except if you are using the user page delaration it only needs to be done once. None of the awards you included have more than a paragraph in the source, and the sources are just like "this is a good new coffee shop" - i,e, routine coverage. Smallbones(smalltalk) 13:23, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Forbes contributors are well-known as pitchmen and are separate from the staff writers. Ask at WP:COIN if you doubt me on this - it is very well-known. Smallbones(smalltalk) 13:26, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
  • On WP:DISCLOSE, it says that disclosure needs to be done by "a statement on your user page, a statement on the talk page accompanying any paid contributions, or a statement in the edit summary accompanying any paid contributions"; the second of those points isfulfilled, which talk pages are affected is not disclosed, so I assumed that the talk page of the article in question is sufficient. Furthermore, reviewing the statement atop your talk page only makes the impression as if you feared to get contacted by affected by those AfC scams, it does not provide information why general paid editors should not contact you, or how pinging is more efficient. Lordtobi (✉) 13:30, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
The best practice is to also give a list on your user page. (we will probably soon make it a requirement). Otherwise there is the immediate suspicion that all your work is paid. DGG ( talk ) 19:55, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
And there's another point. You seem to be making edits to articles on companies competitive with ones you are doing editing for. The few I've looked at seem appropriate, but obviously they all need to be checked. There is no practical way of doing this unless you list the paid articles. DGG ( talk ) 20:11, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
So far I've identified Revelator Coffee and Gametime. DGG ( talk ) 20:30, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Yes, Gametime and Revelator are the only ones I've done so far. I tend to check sites similar to the articles I'm creating (not necessarily competition) to see if they are a good fit for the see also section. I often also reach into fixing some obvious issues before I leave, even if I don't rewrite the entire article. Since I've been here for some time and know copyediting well, this shouldn't be a problem? List now also added to userpage. Lordtobi (✉) 04:40, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
It's not a problem if you do it right, as it seems you have been doing so far. If it's more than fixing minor errors you should probably ask someone to check your work and say so, which will help if someone should later question it. Your greatest problem in paid editing is likely to be dealing with the insistence of those who pay you for a promotional or over-expansive article. DGG ( talk ) 16:46, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Grand Theft Auto 5: Premium Online Edition

Although it's not a platform, it's still a re-release. It could be the same as the Red Faction: Guerrilla page, just look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Faction:_Guerrilla UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 10:59, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

I think it would be best if you sought consensus on the article's talk page. I dislike inclusion of this and WP:OTHERSTUFF is unlikely to turn me around, in my honest opinion. Lordtobi (✉) 11:06, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: Gray Matter Interactive

Hello Lordtobi. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Gray Matter Interactive, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: that has to have been a mistake, right? Developing multiple notable games is a clear indication of significance. Thank you. SoWhy 12:03, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

@SoWhy: "Developing multiple notable games is a clear indication of significance"; how so? WP:INHERIT clearly says that this is not the case. The company is not significant for Wikipedia. Lordtobi (✉) 12:16, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
A7's "indication of significance" is a lower bar than WP:N. It's for quick and obvious situations. Gray Matter would require an AFD. -- ferret (talk) 13:21, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Exactly. A7 is not about notability, it explicitly says so (see also WP:A7M and WP:CCSI). Plus, you ignored WP:ATD which requires you to pursue altertives (such as merging/redirecting to a more notable topic) if available. Regards SoWhy 13:33, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

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@Meters: I think it would have been much more helpful if you, instead of sticking a warning to a years-long editor, had just created the redirect necessary to fix the situation. Furthermore, you deliberately reintroduced factual errors (director, release date) through your revert, the section link is broken, the title is not up-to-date and still says "working title" although the final has long been announced. How is the present version anyhow more preferable to my version, had you just bothered to create one redirect? Lordtobi (✉) 04:34, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
I did restore the link to the proper article. You were the one who broke it by pointing the link to a non-existent article. How is that an improvement over over a link to the article where we actually discuss the film? And since there seems to be no consensus over what the article is to be called (someone changed it to a different non-existent title) I see no point in creating a redirect. As for the other changes, I don't know what is right or wrong, so I just undid to the previous version. with the correct link. If you want to add properly sourced changes then go right ahead. Meters (talk) 04:42, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
If you check the page you are now linking to, you will find that the section has been renamed given that the title was announced. As such, the section link you introduced is broken, not correct as you state. If you wanted to avoid having to create a redirect, you could have also just piped the series article against the actual film name; there is never a need to plainly reintroduce outdated info just because an easily fixable link appears to be broken. Lordtobi (✉) 04:48, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
The page' is correct. I don't really care if the section link is working. Either way it is far better than the red link you introduced, which prevents readers from seeing anything' about the film. And, as I explained, I didn't know which information was correct, so I left it as the previous version. Another editor disagrees with you as to what the correct link should be, and the sources we have support both versions. I'm not going to take sides on it by creating a redirect or piping it. Meters (talk) 04:56, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
And there's never a reason to link to a red page, to use your own reasoning. If you want ed a pipe or a redirect you should have done it yourself. Meters (talk) 04:58, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
I wasn't aware that there was a redlink given that I expected a redirect on a popular topic as SpongeBob to already have been in place; seemingly you became aware of the issue but instead of fixing the situation you just rolled it back and left, ignoring any other change you just undone as you seemingly didn't care. I have since fixed the page for you and we may cease this pretty unconstructive discussion. 👋 Lordtobi (✉) 05:02, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
So you linked to an article title without checking to see if existed, or looking at the article after you made the edit. That's why I left you a very low level ,polite template. I've already explained the rest of my actions. WP:DROPTHESTICK Meters (talk) 05:05, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Ok, making a mistake is a crime now, cool. Lordtobi (✉) 05:07, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Acclaim Studios Cheltenham

I've split Acclaim Studios Cheltenham into its own page, as they are not the same developer as Acclaim Studios London. I've also added 2 sources to show that my claims are true. Could you go over this page and see if it's okay? Luigitehplumber (talk) 22:20, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

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Team17

hi, the reason i remove file of Team17, because Team17 gas a new logo.Ragilnih (talk) 07:27, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

@Ragilnih: Hey! If that is the case, please go to the file's page and upload a new version of the logo, removing it outright is not the best way to get it updated. Lordtobi (✉) 07:34, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

What do those mean and it's also because I have 2 problems.

1. Isn't Titus Software normally used instead of their company name Titus Interactive SA on pages?

2. Titus only published the PS2 version of Stunt GP. The original publisher EON Digital Entertainment were the original publisher and should really be first.

I'm just telling you before I revert.

Luigitehplumber (talk) 14:29, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

  • Your comment addresses neither guideline I linked, which suggests that you did not read them. Also, no, it should not say "Titus Software". Use either "Titus Interactive" or "Titus France" depending on when the game was published. Will revert again. Per WP:BRD, please await comment before reverting a revert. Lordtobi (✉) 15:01, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Okay, then how come every single Titus game page still says Titus Software? Luigitehplumber (talk) 17:45, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Okay. What year did Titus Interactive rename from Titus France? (I also might have reversion problems with other admins on the Superman 64 page as well).

Also, Titus' american subsidiary was called Titus Software Corp. it's in this link I found on the Titus page. https://web.archive.org/web/19980630021424/http://www.titusgames.com/profile.htm

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AfC notification: Draft:Zenni Optical has a new comment

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2K China (2K Chengdu)

With the announcement of Hangar 13's new studio in Brighton, this T2 page pretty much confirms that 2K China still exists, do you think we should change 2K Chengdu to 2K China? I know that they don't mention Ghost Story Games (probably because they haven't released their first game yet) or 2K Vegas (probably because it's not really a development studio), but it's still a confirmation about 2K China.

Read "About 2K": http://ir.take2games.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=86428&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2349082 UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 03:46, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

  • 2K Chengdu might be referred to internally as 2K China, but 2K China (whuch was in Shanghai) officially closed and no longer exists. 2kchina.com also redirects to 2kchengdu.com and for some reason that website bears the 2K China logo (don't have their own?), while their legal name is "之游软件科技（成都）有限公司" (2K Software Technology (Chengdu) Co., Ltd.) and not 2K China. Anyhow, this goes far too deep into original research territory which suggests that we shouldn't change a thing. 2K China [Shanghai] closed years ago and that is what we definetly know, so it should probably stay this way. Lordtobi (✉) 05:08, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
What do you think about the 2K China confirmation though? T2 name-dropped that studio. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 23:00, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
Take for that the first sentence of my previous response. The human writing this probably had 2K Chengdu confused with 2K China. Lordtobi (✉) 04:35, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
Well, I guess you were right, though T2 did confirmed that the NBA2K Online Team is still in Shanghai, which is confusing, do you think Visual Concepts China is where the NBA2K Online Team is located? Anyway, here is the 2K Chengdu website: http://www.2kchengdu.com/ UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 20:44, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
The game is being developed by Tencent in collaboration with the 2K Sports label.[4] VC China is truly located in Shanghai,[5] but we cannot be certain if they are part of the development here, so we shouldn't include it either. and yes, Visual Concepts was also noted as co-developer alongside Tencent.[6] Always avoid original research. :) Lordtobi (✉) 20:54, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Okay, then i'll just say that VC China is the Shanghai studio T2 was talking about, and that the person who wrote 2K China was confusing it with 2K Chengdu. Thanks for making it more clearer! :) UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 21:16, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Page move questions

Why did you suppress the redirect when moved Shan (Tamil actor) to Shan (actor). When you did you broke incoming links to Shan (Tamil actor). ~ GB fan 09:25, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

To help explain you might want to read the section in the Page mover policy about suppressing a redirect, WP:PMRC. ~ GB fan 10:19, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
Hey! Deleting the redirect was not the intent, I saw that a related page "Shan (actor)" had been deleted, making way for the move. The "leave a redirect behind" should be enabled by default, shouldn't it? Yet my mind skipped over that probably. Thanks for noting, though! I'll take better care next time. Lordtobi (✉) 10:43, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

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Hard West credits

Am I doing this right? Probably not :P Check out credits in any Hard West youtube video, or Moby Games - http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/hard-west/credits. Or ask the guy who came up with the game, and that would be me :P — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.72.96.197 (talk) 10:50, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

The Bon Ton

I have a question. Is The Bon Ton considered a parent company? Paleontologist99 (talk) 13:16, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Paleontologist99! From your message, I cannot quite decipher what you specifically want to know and from which context. Could you be a little more specific? Lordtobi (✉) 13:31, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
The Bon Ton is a soon-to-be defunct retail company. It owns Bergner's, Carson's, Boston Store, Elder Beerman, Herberger's, and Younkers. I want to know if whether or not The Bon Ton is a parent company. Paleontologist99 (talk) 13:47, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Well if it owns these companies and is a parent to them then certainly it is a parent company. Lordtobi (✉) 13:54, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

How to upload pictures

How can you upload copyrighted pictures to Wikipedia? I tried to upload game cover art before but it was rejected. I'm looking for a good-quality image of the Acclaim Studios Cheltenham logo to put into the article. Luigitehplumber (talk) 20:36, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

  • Yes, you can use the File Upload Wizard for just that; remember to provide source and ownership of the image in question. Also note that copyrighted images only belong into local Wikispace, NOT on Commons, as that is for free-use media only. Lordtobi (✉) 20:39, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
Okay then. Thanks. Luigitehplumber (talk) 21:02, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

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Take-Two Interactive Subsidiaries

Hey, so this is the official list of T2's subsidiaries (as of May 2018), I can't tell which subsidiaries are active and inactive, if you can, do you mind explaining some of them to me?

http://ir.take2games.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=86428&p=irol-secText&TEXT=aHR0cDovL2FwaS50ZW5rd2l6YXJkLmNvbS9maWxpbmcueG1sP2lwYWdlPTEyMjYyMDE1JkRTRVE9MyZTRVE9JlNRREVTQz1TRUNUSU9OX0VYSElCSVQmZXhwPSZzdWJzaWQ9NTc%3d

UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 16:13, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Remember that we are an encyclopedia, not a press release distribution center.
  • It is obvious that those are long defunct: 2K Czech, 2K Shanghai, Double Take, Frog City Software, Gathering of Developers, GearHead Entertainment, Indie Built, Jack of All Games (incl. Inventory Management Systems), Joytech, Kush Games (aka. 2K Los Angeles), Rockstar Vancouver, TalonSoft, Techcorp, Venom Games. Plus, Techcorp is the only one I could not yet find a source for.
  • 2K Songs/Sounds/Tunes, Rockstar Events/Songs/Sounds/Tunes and Take-Two Talent obviously do not actually exist (other than as words on pieces of paper).
  • 2K, 2K Play and 2KSports are also just Delaware-only placeholders (probably for trademarking reasons; companies acting in California are required to register activity under their own corporate law, so is 2K Games registered in California too, and 2K Vegas is also in Nevada).
  • The there are thins like Digital Productions, Glennco Games, Maxcorp (registered in Bermuda, aha), T2 Developer, VLM Entertainment and WC Holdco, which I have never heard of. I imagine that most (if not all) of those are [offshore] holding companies of some sort.
  • Then there is more holding companies, like DMA Design Holdings, marketing offices in various countries and the verifiably active subsidiaries.
This is why we should not use subsidiary listings as sources. Lordtobi (✉) 17:30, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
I didn't intend on using this as a source, I just wanted to get some confirmation, thanks! :) UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 22:40, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

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/en

I tried typing Vampyr-Game.com into my own browser and it didn't work, but when I added /en it did. Could you add that qualifier in Wikidata? Cognissonance (talk) 00:40, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm in Europe too (Germany), yet Chrome, IE, Edge and Firefox all work for me. Weird. I'll add the appendix to Wikidata in the meantime, but let me know when you get a reply from the server admins. Lordtobi (✉) 09:55, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Email address has been deactivated. The mystery persists... Cognissonance (talk) 10:02, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Unbulleted list / video game release

I created discussions about it here and here. Interqwark talk contribs 10:59, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

By the way, is there a point to this revision? Perhaps we should reach a consensus. Interqwark talk contribs 11:11, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

  • Well, you previusly agreed not to randomly change existing formatting as it makes no difference visually, little difference in code appearance. I'm just confused that you continue making these kinds of edits after saying that you won't. Lordtobi (✉) 11:30, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
I only shortened the {{unbulleted list}} tags if I were already making more significant edits. I thought it would be beneficial since {{ubl}} is shorter and makes the infobox easier to read in source editing mode, but I won’t continue such edits since it’s something that you disagree with. Interqwark talk contribs 11:54, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Just to let you know: After our discussions, I have not been changing {{unbulleted list}} to {{ubl}} or {{video game release}} to {{vgrelease}}. I respect MOS:STYLERETAIN and won’t be shortening template names or make similar stylization changes unless necessary. If an article uses both {{unbulleted list}} and {{ubl}}, for instance, I might change some of the tags for consistency, but other than that, I won’t change them. Interqwark talk contribs 14:09, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Thumbs up icon Cool, nice to hear. Lordtobi (✉) 14:11, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

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Re:Scans

Hey! Thanks for getting in touch. I don't own any GameFan magazines, and my only Nintendo Powers are from the 2000s. However, I do have EGM and Next Generation issues. Next Generation July 1997 is available online here, and here is the scan from October 1999: [7]. EGM's preview and review are here and here. For good measure, here's the GamePro review. Hope these help. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 22:33, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Question about your Hitman 2 (2018 video game) revision

Hi.
Why did you remove __NOTOC__ on Hitman 2 (2018 video game)?[9]

I added it since currently, each section of the article is very short and the entire article is visible without scrolling down (unless you have a very small screen). I don’t think a table of contents is necessary here. Interqwark talk contribs 13:01, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Question about a move

Why did you move Category:Hitman (video game series) to Hitman (franchise)? Isn’t it best to have the category be exclusive to the video games? The franchise contains films and other media as well. Interqwark talk contribs 13:38, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

All right. Interqwark talk contribs 13:40, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

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Regarding this and this revision of yours, I think that having the text uncentred looks weird, especially in the Life is Strange template. Interqwark talk contribs 21:40, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Well, by default they are right-aligned, and that is just how 99.9999% of Wikipedia navboxes look. I, personally, find the centering makes it look even weirder (and not particularly centered), but as I said I don't think that there even would be a guideline on this. However, if we were to use centered text, groupstyle = text-align: center; would definetly fit the purpose better than tagging each title manually. Maybe have an exchange with Cognissonance, our LIS and Dontnod expert here, how it should look. It's their (her?) baby after all. Lordtobi (✉) 21:44, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

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removing refnames on references

Hello Lordtobi,

Re your edit here: Not sure what script you're using, but please don't remove reference names if a reference is only used once. It's still helpful as a quick guide to which reference it is or as a short summary of its nature, and if it ends up used elsewhere. Additionally, please don't update the date tag on things like use mdy dates - hte idea is that shows when this standard "started" being enforced. Finally, this may be a losing battle since many scripts do this automatically, but there's also no need to update "&ndash" to – - they display exactly the same. (Similarly, I question the whitespace changes as actually adding value as well - it shouldn't affect the actual display at all.) SnowFire (talk) 20:52, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

  • Hey, thanks for getting in touch. I ran a couple scripts that automatically fix issues that could harm a reader's experience on various browsers, which includes the ndash character conversion through AutoEd. The whitespace adjustments were done for aligining citation style throught the article as it was all over the place. The ref name removals were also done by a script, though not intentionally. I ran the Reference Organizer to quickly check of duplicate references, but happend to have forgotten to untick the 'keep unnecessary body ref names' checkbox in the tool, so apologies for that. Subjectively, though, I'd say that the names were, in this case, not very informative. E.g., how would you know from the cite title "gamasutra1" or "investvine" what's inside? If required, I can put the names, or even better once, back into the article. Lordtobi (✉) 20:59, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the response. Yeah, I guess I just don't see aligning whitespace in citations as a particularly important change that matters, so if it's all over the place, so be it. I agree that refnames could be more clear, but even brief & terse ref names like "wsj" are still better than nothing, IMO. Anyway, nothing is "required", we're all volunteers here :) ; I just wanted to make sure there wasn't some campaign to remove all single-reference names, as it's an editor-friendly good thing IMO. SnowFire (talk) 23:00, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
  • (talk page watcher) @SnowFire: The MDY/DMY maintenance templates are suppose to be updated whenever someone has verified all dates are in synch. All of the standard scripts for MOS:DATEUNIFY do this, and that is what the template documentation instructions as well. -- ferret (talk) 21:09, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
    • @Ferret: Thanks for the update. That is... very surprising, and the reverse of how most other dated templates work (e.g. something marked no references since 2010 is worse than something marked no references since last month), but if that's the standard, no complaints then. SnowFire (talk) 23:00, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
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CEO

Hello Lordtobi,

Crytek, Chief Executive Officer was capitalized because it is a proper noun. Nobody writes it as ceo, always CEO. This goes for any country, USA and Europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.120.37.54 (talk) 08:27, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

  • "Chief exexcutive officer" is not a proper noun, it's a joib title. "CEO" is the abbreviation, abbreviations are very commonly capitalized as is not directly affected by the capitalization of the original word. Lordtobi (✉) 08:32, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Hero Shooter

Is the consensus on WT:VG satisfying for you for the genre to be added to the lead? Solinothe Wolf 06:11, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

The discussion was a bit shallow, but I guess the inclusion of the term is fine as long as (like consensus in the discussion says) it is not included in the infobox and does not replace the pre-established genre. Maybe put it in a by-sentence in the lede like Dissident suggested on the Overwatch article. Could you check the term's usage is aligned on all such articles (Overwatch, TF2, Battleborn, etc.)? Cheers! Lordtobi (✉) 06:22, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Yeah there wasn't much discussion. Sounds good. Peace! Solinothe Wolf 08:31, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Regarding your revert on Grand Theft Auto V

Regarding your revert on Grand Theft Auto V, the game doesn’t have to be strictly first-person to have a category related to the first-person perspective since there’s no “First-person and third-person open world games” category. The article also has both the First-person shooter and Third-person shooter categories. I’ve added the Third-person open world games category as well. Interqwark talk contribs 06:16, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good, thanks for letting me know! Lordtobi (✉) 06:22, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

When you changed "Ubi Soft Entertainment" to "Ubi Soft" so quickly.

How did you manage to change all the Ubisoft titles before the rebranding from "Ubi Soft Entertainment" to just "Ubi Soft" so quickly alongside the developers? Is it something only Mods or Admins can do? Luigitehplumber (talk) 18:14, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

  • There's something beautiful called AutoWikiBrowser. It requires you to apply for the permission to use it and then download a Windows program. In that program, you can list e.g. "all pages that link to X" or "all artcles with Y in the text" and then replace A with B, possibly with a RegEx. You can check if you are entitled to these rights on the page I linked. Lordtobi (✉) 18:29, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Luigitehplumber (talk) 18:57, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

moe. (band) page move

Would you be able to lend your support to a page move, please? I have asked that, per Wikipedia's rules (here), this page be moved. The band's name is moe., and it is listed in all lowercase letters with the period. It follows the same rules as bill bissett, danah boyd, and k.d. lang. Thank you. 208.44.170.115 (talk) 17:11, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Drafts

@Lordtobi: This Draft article Draft:AKRacing almost pass but can you help it removed the advertisement. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.55.51.147 (talk) 06:30, 21 June 2018‎ (UTC)

Digitally Downloaded

@Lordtobi: Can you please explain to me how Digitally Downloaded is not a "reliable" source? It is Metacritic listed. You claim to have removed quotes from reviews from this publication in the interest in "neutrality" and yet that has meant that the Wikipedia pages for the games now have a more critical "reception" section than is in reality. How is it "neutral" to leave only negative reviews when the game actually had positive reviews as well? Thanks MikuFanMcMatt (talk) 13:23, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

  • @MikuFanMcMatt: Hi, thanks for getting in touch! Metacritic does not dictate Wikipedia's reliability guidelines as we have our own. Some Metacritic-listed reviewers have even been deemed completely unreliable. You can check WP:VG/RS on this matter, where DD is not listed. Feel free to propose the site's inclusion on that page's talk page. Furthermore, I also reverted some of your edits due to an apparent conflict of interest, given that you only cited reviews written by 'Matt S'; please let me know if this was a false assumption. Lordtobi (✉) 14:46, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for that feedback. I'm new here. I will do so.
One of the reviews that you reverted back was actually written by a Matt Codd - it seems that the citation pulled up incorrect information? Is there a way to manually fix that for future reference? MikuFanMcMatt (talk) 21:26, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
@MikuFanMcMatt: Indeed, citations are only code too, they usually look something like <ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.google.com/ |title=Google |first=John |last=Doe |date=January 1, 1970 |website=[[Google]] |accessdate=June 22, 2018}}</ref> and you can change whatever needs to be changed right there. If you are primarily using the visual editor, you can either edit the template by double-clicking it or switch to code view using the pen in the upper-right-hand corner. P.S.: I've indented your code by prepending it with colons (:), always one more than the previous message, to make it more easily readable. Lordtobi (✉) 21:32, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

MG credits

Hi there, thanks for caring so much about Mick’s Wikipedia page. L Blisterfist (talk) 21:04, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Explanation, Please!

@Lordtobi: I'm confused. Why is it that all of the other articles involving Level-5 Comcept's games are allowed to have the non-redirected link to the Level-5 Comcept article, but the articles for the canceled Kaio: King of Pirates and the recent release of ReCore aren't? What special immunity treatment do they have that I'm not aware of? I'm not mad, just perplexed.

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  • @Alakazam: ReCore appears to be the only Comcept game that I patrol, I didn't check any other edits you made because I hoped that you would do the appropriate changes yourself, or just leave it, instead of doing the exact same edit twice more without any form of comment. So to give it another spin: WP:NOTBROKEN and WP:NOPIPE tell us explicitly that there should not be a piped link if the piped-out text is a valid redirect to the same page. This is the case here, so there should be no pipe. Please remove all such changes you made. Lordtobi (✉) 05:26, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

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2 Things

Do you think that you could be able to change the WB Games published titles from Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment to WB Games? I'm saying this because Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment haven't published a game under their own name since around 2010. Luigitehplumber (talk) 20:07, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

  • Boths names appear as commonly in secondary sources, so official name applies and that is Warner Bros Interactive Entertainment. So, no change. Lordtobi (✉) 20:10, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Okay. Luigitehplumber (talk) 22:23, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Can you explain?

According to this edit I made awhile ago, you undid that saying that there would need a source to prove its inclusion. But then Masem edited it and put the same content, but you did not undo that one, with no reference pointed out. Can you explain why you undid my edit, but not his?? Zacharyalejandro (talk) 14:36, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

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BAM! Entertainment

Could you have a chance to expand the BAM! Entertainment page like you did with VIS Entertainment please?

Alongside extra information, i'm trying to find all the titles that Ubi Soft distributed for them in Europe (except the UK). the Acclaim distributed titles (once again, in Europe only but including the UK) are all complete and so don't need altering. Luigitehplumber (talk) 20:18, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

  • There's very little info about that company in reliable sources, unfortunately. Outside their VIS acquisition and Nasdaq delisting, that is. Regarding Acclaim, this source might be interesting for you. Lordtobi (✉) 20:31, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
Might be because the company is American and you tend to focus on European companies. I added a source about Acclaim distributing their titles before you replied anyways. Maybe clean up the article because I've added the source using square brackets. Luigitehplumber (talk) 20:35, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
The company is just not very noteworth, as I said: There is practically nothing about it in reliable sources apart from publihsing deals, VIS acquisition and possible Nasdaq delisting. Two of which happened only in the 2003–2005 period. If you find a significant source with additional info on the company's history, let me know. P.S., please use the <ref>...</ref> tags om the future. Wikipedia also holds a "Cite your sources" button at the end of the editor window. Lordtobi (✉) 21:38, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

HITMAN 2

The game is officially called HITMAN 2 to prevent confusion with Hitman 2 Silent Assassin game. That is why I moved it. Pardon if there was any mistake on my part. Hermit Curator 11:47, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

  • Hello @HermitCurator and thanks for getting in touch! Our common article guidelines forbid the usage of stylized product titles as article titles. In this particular case, the game is stylized as "HITMAN 2", although the word is obviously still the standard-English word "hitman". Furthermore, the title is not in line with WP:COMMONNAME, as the titlecased version is used more frequently in reliable sources. So we use the titlecased "Hitman 2" too. If you have any further questions let me know. Lordtobi (✉) 11:49, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying, I will not make this mistake in the future. Hermit Curator 11:53, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Take-Two Interactive Annual Report

You wouldn't happen to know when T2 releases their annual reports, do you? UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 23:29, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

The last three released around July 15, I'd guess the next one will do so too. Lordtobi (✉) 05:18, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

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Radiant Entertainment

Hi! I'm afraid it looks just like paid editing to me – a typical promotional ready-made article with reference overkill dropped into Wikipedia in a lump. That's exactly what you did here for Gametime, and what you did not do here with Depth Analysis (which I'm guessing was not paid work). So what's the next step? Shall I bring this up at WP:COIN? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:46, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Hey @Justlettersandnumbers and thanks for getting in touch. As I already stated, I have no COI with the company; specifically, I dropped all paid editing after my failed Zenni Optical gig. I just though that since their first game is finally releasing, I wondered if there could be an article regarding it's developer, and I was surprised to find enough to create one. The "reference overkill" is a result of this. I can see where you are coming from given that it is venture-backed, etc, but I do not have the intent to write ad-esque articles. I think COIN is unnecessary here; if you read an advertisement in my article, please tell me what it is I'm doing wrong and I'll fix it. Lordtobi (✉) 19:56, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Dragon Ball Super: Broly

This IP just made a threatening message on my talk page over the voice cast section of Dragon Ball Super: Broly, it would really help if you could take action. Thank you! --Domushen (talk) 13:28, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

  • Hi @Domushen, I am not an admin or have rights that go in the direction of blocking people, but given the nature of your inquiry (and my past interactions with that user), I'm taking it to WP:AIV. Thanks, and take care. Lordtobi (✉) 13:31, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

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Rationale Template fixes

Thanks for fixing the video game cover one, Any chance of implementing a near identical fix on other Non free use Rationale templates? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:46, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

In essence it's the ones here :-
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If at the same time you are able to implement other fixes you find it would be appreciated, as MANY files use these. :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:50, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: Fixed on some 12 templates and their sandboxes, please tell me if there are any such issues left. Lordtobi (✉) 17:06, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

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Vivendi Games and Universal Interactive logos

The logos are not showing up transparent like they should be, they instead have a black box on them. Luigitehplumber (talk) 17:31, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

  • This is a technical issue affecting all newly cached images on Wikimedia currently, there's nothing I can do about it but wait for village pump to resolve it. Lordtobi (✉) 18:50, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
    Okay then, on the page where should labels like Black Label and Universal Interactive go? Universal Interactive was it's own company as well. Luigitehplumber (talk) 18:53, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
    That depends on which company that label was directly part of. And remember it needs a reliable source. Lordtobi (✉) 19:01, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
    Basically, Universal Interactive was its own label, and they created the Black Label Games brand name in 2002. I'll try and find a source for both of them. Luigitehplumber (talk) 19:14, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
    Quoting from a press release: "Black Label Games, a studio of the Games division of Vivendi Universal Publishing (VU Games)", so no, not a Universal label. It gets further unlikely given that Black Label primarily published non-Universal properties. Lordtobi (✉) 19:20, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
    Okay. Could you help me find a reliable source for Coktel Vision/Coktel Studio please? Luigitehplumber (talk) 21:48, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
    Anyways, thanks for finding me reliable sources, but I thought Coktel Vision were only a developer until around 2003? Also they released one final game in 2006 titled KoogaBonga, alongside French-exclusive Adiboo (or Adibou) educational products. Luigitehplumber (talk) 10:53, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
    Source says eleven people were absorbed, which I believe is correct. They might have or have not finished a game beforehand that was released later on but Wikipedia article space is not room for speculation so only put in the article what is in sources. Lordtobi (✉) 10:56, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
    Also, would you classify Sierra after the Vivendi Universal Games buyout an actual publisher or just a brand name of VU Games? As I mentioned before some titles were branded under the Sierra name in Europe, but were branded as VU Games titles in the US and Japan. I'm still not touching Blizzard as even though they were owned by VU Games i'd classify them as publishing their own games themselves. Luigitehplumber (talk) 11:03, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
    Label and Division/Subsidiary differentiate themselves by being independently managed, Sierra did have its own management far into subsidiaryhood and existed as legally incorporated at least until December 2004, and I'm inclined to think that they carried on until the Activision merger. If it says Sierra in sources, it says Sierra in the articles. If it was published by Vivendi Games directly in other territories, use the video game releases template to differentiate regions. Lordtobi (✉) 11:31, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
    One last thing, I'm trying to get the Coktel logo (the 1999 logo) off of the French Wikipedia (which lists every single product the company released)but the file doesn't exist on the English one, do you know how to transfer a file from another Wikipedia to another? Luigitehplumber (talk) 12:10, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
    Download there and re-upload here. Lordtobi (✉) 12:42, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Detroit

Stop removing sourced contents without a convenient reason. User reviews are checked by Metacritic staff, they are not bogus. User-generated websites, Metacritic is not listed as such (at least I have never seen it in Wikipedia), are generally unacceptable. The game also appears in Best of 2018 list on the site. Sebastian James (talk)

User reviews are not checked by Metacritic staff for legitimacy, but only check if contains defamatory content, else Big Rigs wouldn't haul far over a hundered 10/10 user reviews. User-generated content guidelines apply to all user-generated content, whether it is on a stricly USERG-only site (blogs, fansites) or simply USERG segments on reliable websites (user reviews, comment sections, etc). It has been removed by another editor before, so don't enforcing its stay or discuss on the article's talk. If the user reviews were notable, they will surely be covered externally by a reliable source. Lordtobi (✉) 08:20, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
It was discussed before. The result was adding it as a note. Sebastian James (talk)
Link to discussion, please? Lordtobi (✉) 16:47, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
If you mean this tidbid of "I did", that's not really a discussion, given that you found something that could be included and another user found a way to include it. That does not mean tha majority of article ditors agrees with that, especially given that two independent people now have removed it already. Lordtobi (✉) 16:55, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
It says "This thing is appropriate to mention in the reception section I think. But still, I just wanted to see other opinions." This was clearly meant to be a discussion, and the only reply it got was adding it to the article. Nobody else expressed their thoughts. One of the two independent people removed it without a real explanation. Sebastian James (talk)
You will find the page does not, and especially did not, have a lot of watchers. I, for example, don't watch the game's page currently. This is large a factor in not getting responses, but you also didn't come back to Cognissonance after she replied. What's hindering you from introducing the user who first removed the item into that old discussion (via ping)? Lordtobi (✉) 17:24, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
I didn't come back to her because I don't think it is wrong. The user removed it way after that discussion. S/he could have reverted it with an explanation, or send me a message. Sebastian James (talk)
@Sebastian James: Firstly, I'm a man (sorry for the confusion Lordtobi, my previous username was a mistake). Secondly, I am gathering a consensus on a matter on Talk:Detroit: Become Human. I'd appreciate if you both contributed to it. Cognissonance (talk) 07:19, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Take-Two Interactive

According to T2's newly formatted career's page, they have 24 studios and 17 offices. Should we add this information to their Wikipedia page?

Studios: 1. 2K Chengdu 2. 2K Vegas 3. Firaxis Games 4. Ghost Story Games 5. Hangar 13 (Brighton) 6. Hangar 13 (Brno) 7. Hangar 13 (Novato) 8. Hangar 13 (Prague) 9. New 2K Studio 10. Cat Daddy Games 11. Visual Concepts (Agoura Hills) 12. Visual Concepts (Budapest) 13. Visual Concepts (Foothill Ranch) 14. Visual Concepts (Novato) 15. Visual Concepts Korea (Seoul) 16. Visual Concepts China (Shanghai) 17. Rockstar India 18. Rockstar Leeds 19. Rockstar Lincoln 20. Rockstar London 21. Rockstar New England 22. Rockstar North 23. Rockstar San Diego 24. Rockstar Toronto

Offices: 1. Boston 2. Breda 3. Geneva 4. Las Vegas 5. Madrid 6. Munich 7. New York City 8. Paris 9. Seattle 10. Seoul 11. Shanghai 12. Singapore 13. Sydney 14. Taipei 15. Tokyo 16. Toronto 17. Windsor

Social Point, for some reason, doesn't count, but they have their HQ in Barcelona and some kind of studio in Japan, not to mention their Parrot Games subsidiary located in Barcelona. Private Division also doesn't count because they have 4 offices in T2's offices (Las Vegas, Munich, New York City, and Seattle). UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 01:10, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

As you say, some items are missing; I also cannot see 2K Games, Rockstar International, 2K Marin, etc. The best we could do with it is flesh out Visual Concepts' location num (their website hasn't been updated in five years...), but saying that all office locations apply directly to T2 rather than their labels could easily become wrong. As usual, we should best-case stick with secondary sources. Lordtobi (✉) 05:35, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
They don't actually count their publishers, for some reason. Social Point is hard to explain, but Private Division, like I said, is also a publisher, they don't even have any development studios, so they don't count. 2K Marin no longer exists, it's been "replaced" by a new unannounced 2K studio, as Jason Schreier of Kotaku stated. Rockstar International is located in Rockstar London, Rockstar's and 2K's international HQ's aren't really counted, T2's office in Windsor does though, but it's an office, not a studio. What about Rockstar's and 2K's motion capture studios? Rockstar MoCap is in Bethpage, Long Island, New York and 2K MoCap is in Petaluma, California. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 05:47, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Acclaim Entertainment

Hey LordTobi, it's me again.

At some point (I might have said before), could you give the Acclaim pages a bit of a cleanup with some more sources?

  • Acclaim Entertainment (The main page)
  • Acclaim Studios Teesside (Needs sources as it doesn't have any, as well as a logo)
  • Iguana Entertainment (Cleanup, and don't developers have their final/current names on Wikipedia? Iguana's last name was Acclaim Studios Austin)
  • Sculptured Software (It was cleaned by you a while back, but might need it's name changed to Acclaim Studios Salt Lake City or something)
  • Software Creations (UK) (Needs some cleaning up. Acclaim Studios Manchester never had an official logo from the looks of it, but name might need changing anyway. Companyhouse also lists Software Creations and Acclaim Studios Manchester to be 2 different developers, in which they might be as Acclaim acquired Software Creations, and folded the business into their Manchester studio, where all 70 employees moved to.)
  • Acclaim Studios Cheltenham (Cleanup, and needs more sources)
  • Probe Entertainment (Needs more sources, a cleanup, and logo (if so, i'll use the Acclaim Studios London logo). Might need it's name changed to Acclaim Studios London)
  • Acclaim Sports (Needs more sources and a logo, which I might try and upload if I can find a good-quality one)
  • AKA Acclaim (Same as above)
  • Club Acclaim (Same as above)

If you can do so, thanks. Luigitehplumber (talk) 12:52, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

The three labels on the bottom are not notable, and given they are all unsourced (the one source in Club Acclaim does not mention Club Acclaim), consider merging their games into Acclaim's games page. All others I need to check and work on after my exams later this week. Lordtobi (✉) 15:16, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Okay. Luigitehplumber (talk) 17:58, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Well, as an update the user who loves stalking me (Duc4Wikimeda) tried to put pictures of the logos up but all of them but at least 5 were taken down, he managed to rename them to their last names so that's one thing you don't need to do. Luigitehplumber (talk) 12:29, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

2K, Ghost Story, and Social Point

Hey, so I wanted to ask if it was alright that we add the term "self-publisher" in the descriptions of Ghost Story's and Social Point's pages?

Also, we should create a separate page for 2K, just labeled as "2K", considering that 2K Games, 2K Play, and 2K Sports are divisions and not really the actual publishers of 2K's games, at least not anymore, they're merely just labels. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 02:23, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

I think that brings up the same problem as before: Everyone who put up their own game onto a digital marketplace would automatically be self-publishers, including 99% of indie devs, making the term superflous. This, especially given that Ghost Story has yet to release a single game. I will remove the respective additions again. And regarding the 2K's, I think you are blurring the lines a bit too much. 2K Games is the primary entity, they have their own management (President David Ismailer & associates) and two divisions (not just labels) 2K Sports (headed by President Greg Thompson) and 2K Play (probably also with own management). They are not directly puppeteered by Take-Two. Lordtobi (✉) 08:46, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Acclaim again

Would you have the chance to add them in to your main page in the pages you need to improve or something? I don't want to add them myself as I consider myself editing other users pages as Vandalism. Luigitehplumber (talk) 19:55, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

I'll try to put some time into on the weekend, somewhat occupied currently. Lordtobi (✉) 14:11, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. Sorry for nagging. Luigitehplumber (talk) 13:58, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Company parent

There was no discussion that I could find by section title that indicates that all parent companies past and present should be listed and the time. Template talk:Infobox company/Archive 10#Parent field redefinition is the only discussion regarding the Parent company field. The infobox is general about the current state of the subject company (of course the financial information might get off give what is available thus the year categories), thus unless there is a "former" field, should not list prior information. Spshu (talk) 13:44, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for getting in touch. The guideline for the corporate infobox has asked us to insert former and present parent company(s) for as long as I can remember, likely years before I myself joined the project. It has also become the standard formatting for practically every page company page where parents apply like this. I remember reading a discussion dated ca. 2011 where this was discussion; I can't find it right now but I'll let you know when I do. From a personal side, it makes sense because, given that the infobox summarizes all key factors of the article, you easily see "ah-ha, X was acquired by Y (from Z) in ABCD", which is helpful if one is too lazy to read the lead. In some cases, it also adds context to their former names (such as with Vivendi Games, where names changed hand-in with ownership changes). If you have any other questions let me know. Cheers! Lordtobi (✉) 14:10, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

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Ghost Story Games

Would you kindly explain to BBMatBlood that Ghost Story is a self-publishing studio for T2 and not a 2K subsidiary? I feel as though undoing edits would seem like a dispute, but Ghost Story remaining on 2K's list of studios is misleading. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 18:38, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks and about Acclaim Studios Stroud and Acclaim Studios New York

Thanks for cleaning up the Acclaim Entertainment page for me.

Also, I never knew that Acclaim had studios in Stroud and New York, and for what i've seen they've haven't developed any games.

I have a feeling Acclaim Studios Stroud was relocated and renamed to Acclaim Studios Cheltenham, as according to a source related to Extreme-G 3 Acclaim Studios Cheltenham was founded by former Psygnosis employees, much like how the Stroud studio was.

The New York studio however, I don't know much about. I have a feeling they were just a support developer or something as they never appeared to fully develop a title, considering I know all of Acclaim's titles and their developers off by heart. Luigitehplumber (talk) 21:55, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought the same things. But that would just be speculation after all. I'll be going over rewriting Iguana and Acclaim's history soon, but I have a stark feeling that most other articles will fall outside the notability scope so I'm considering merging them. Lordtobi (✉) 06:30, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
What do you mean by that, is it because the history of some of Acclaim’s studios is very scarce? Even then I’d say Acclaim Sports, Club Acclaim and AKA Acclaim could be merged as they’re just brand names and not much information is known about them. Luigitehplumber (talk) 09:43, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
For example, the most intricate info I could find on "Optimus Software" (Teesside) is "Founded by x in y and acquired by z". This format carries through multiple studios, and they are just not notable. The cleanest we could do is create a "List of Acclaim Entertainment subsidiaries" article or brush up the "Subsidiaries" section on the Acclaim article with sectioning. I'll think of the ideal solution later on. Lordtobi (✉) 09:57, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
I'd say that's easier than having the developers as separate pages. Luigitehplumber (talk) 11:37, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

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Making a page about Acclaim's other studios

Which studios would you say can keep their own page? All I know so far is that I am certain that Acclaim Studios Austin's page can be kept. Luigitehplumber (talk) 11:31, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Iguana is safe as far as I can see, though I couldn't say the same for any other studio. I'll do a more in-depth rev sooner or later. 20:42, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

The Titan Games

I doubt can I correct the part of The Titan Games page. It’s "Taping" not "Filming" because many current reality shows are videotaped like American Ninja Warrior. --73.184.6.244 (talk) 19:06, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

By that definition, wouldn't every non-live broadcast be "taped"? Then again, also those are getting taped. Filming is the common term, whether it ends up on film, VHS or Google Cloud, so it's inclusion there is fine. Lordtobi (✉) 20:41, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Regarding Super Smash Bros Ultimate

You made an edit on that page removing an addendum to the fact that every returning character is present that said "(even Pichu)". While that removal was in of itself correct, since that addendum is redundant, the reasoning given was that "Pichu hasn't been a playable character previously" and that was actually not correct. Pichu was an unlockable character in the second game. I'm not going to undo the edit though, and neither should anyone else. The bit that was removed didn't have a reason to be there in the first place. NightmareSnake (talk) 20:34, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Yeah I confused Pichu with Raichu (don't ask me how). Apologies for the mix-up. Lordtobi (✉) 20:40, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Find a source for Gabe Newell

that shows he was born in Seattle. I found - quite easily - one he graduated form Davis schools. Your inability to do so calls your editing quality into question. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:10, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

I also reverted your edit on Davis Senior High School (California) - again, your inability to find sources is problematic. I suggest you refrain from editing where you are unable to do competent edits. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:13, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Hey @Carlossuarez46, and thanks for getting in touch. Please allow me to bring up three things that should be considered here.
  1. There is a guideline called WP:BURDEN. According to this guideline, it is not my task to hunt down sources for every unsourced claim anybody makes on any of watchlist-index articles, but it is the task of the user inserting the claim into an article. In this case, this would have been you. I would not have a reason to flat-out doubt your addition, but I pointed out to you that your category addition was not supported by anything present in the article. Therefore, when you are reverted on account that a source for a claim is missing, please consider adding one when reverting on second strike.
  2. I see you have now provided a source, but have taken it from "BlueDevilHUB.com", a page that is said to be run by students of the school Newell is said to have attended. If both were the case, this would fall under WP:PRIMARYSOURCE. Other than that, the site is mostly a blog without editorial policies or oversight, making it a generally unreliable source by Wikipedia's guidelines. I'll add further doubt as it appears to be the only page (that is not a Prezi document or a FunnyJunk comment) to state that he was born in Colorado. Regarding finding a source for Seattle as his birth place, I was inclined to say "there already is a source", though, unfrotunately, the source provided does not, in fact, support any statement preceding it, neither the birth date nor the birth place. There are several sources that support this birth place, such as [10] and [11], however, as I cannot establish reliability for any of those, I will refrain to use them in the article. You can read more on reliable sources guidelines at WP:RS and WP:V; a video game-specific index of reliable sources is available at WP:VG/RS.
  3. Your above messages indicate to me that you might need to work on communicating with other editors in a friendly or neutral tone. Pointing out made-up characteristics and commanding people to take time off from this website (for whatever reason) can easily be seen as a personal attack, which is generally not appreciated in the community and can often lead to loss of editing privileges for the perpetrator.
I invite you to bring up the topic regarding his birth place, and possibly asking politely to receive aid in finding reliable sources, on the article's talk page; a revert-on-revert edit war, which we were slowly approaching (WP:EW), is not the place to hold a discussion. If you have any other question, related or not, please let me know. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 18:32, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Your reversions without a mention on talk pages are not productive. Communication is more effective. Now you realize that, I won't belabor the point. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:35, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
    Thanks for the response. Although I do not feel like it adds tremendous value to this discussion or the case of Newell's birth place, I accept the criticism either way (even if I feel like bringing up point three from above again). I would like to add here that I am also not responsible for bringing up the case on the talk page; it is not enforced by Wikipedia but the WP:BRD cycle is the behavior most commonly seen on Wikipedia. As such, it would have been more than welcome if you had posted to the talk page initally than reverting on second strike. Talking WP:STATUSQUO, it would, technically, enforce an agreement to be met before any fourth-strike revert would happen (see also, WP:3RR). Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 18:41, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

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Egosoft

I undid your change on X4 and just wanted to post my reasoning to avoid a revert war. As of right now under system requirements, the Steam store only shows system requirements for Windows. Also, when you search broadly on Steam, other prior titles show icons indicating Linux/Mac availability, while X4 only shows the Windows icon. I agree, this seems odd considering prior titles were on other platforms, but IIRC, that Mac/Linux compatibility came post-release. If you have a source indicating Linux/Mac availability, I'd welcome it. (Or maybe tweet at Egosoft? I don't have twitter.) Thanks for taking a look. --Policy Reformer(c) 17:40, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

  • Hey @PolicyReformer, thanks for getting in touch, and sorry I haven't been available yesterday. In my honest opinion, placeholder system requirements are a rather shallow indicator for a game's platform(s). I agree that it could be correct and thereby used, but it is not necessarily complete, so it should not necessarily be used either (except if those are the final requirements). As far as I can see, the best option would be to wait for the game to release or Egosoft to give an official statement regarding the platforms the game is set to release on (might as well get console releases), and insert the qualified information then. I'll leave the del/keep to you, if you feel there is need for change. Lordtobi (✉) 07:47, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
    • No worries! I agree the info from Steam isn't the best, but it was all I could find. (Also, to clarify, the original reason I took a stab at that table was that it was improperly formatted previously.) That said, I did some digging and found a tweet from Egosoft from a month ago concerning Linux support (possibly not at launch) and added it here. I try to avoid Twitter per WP:TWITTER, but hopefully this helps for now. As always, feel free to revise as you see fit. Thanks for the feedback. --Policy Reformer(c) 15:41, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

After Acclaim is done

After you've finished your work on the Acclaim Entertainment pages, could you have a look at the Virgin Interactive page and maybe merge the Avalon Interactive page as that was the same company as "Virgin Interactive Entertainment (UK) Limited". Luigitehplumber (talk) 13:29, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Anyways off topic quickly, I've been searching up sources to see if Acclaim Studios Stroud did anything, and I found a CV for John Golding, who worked at Acclaim Studios Cheltenham until 2003, and it also lists down Psygnosis' Stroud studio, so I have a feeling about what I said about the Cheltenham studio might be right.

Here's the link to the CV. http://www.johngolding.co.uk/JG_CV.pdf Luigitehplumber (talk) 15:57, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

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List of THQ games

Why do you miss the developers and notes in the List of THQ games page? --73.184.6.244 (talk) 18:30, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Have never edited that page, what exactly are you referring to? Lordtobi (✉) 18:36, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Questions

First thing is that the Acclaim Studios Cheltenham (I uploaded myself) and Flying Edge logo pictures will be deleted if they aren't used in an article. I'm certain that putting them in the sandbox won't work ether (I tried putting them in my profile, but it didn't work)

Second is a question. Most titles from the Vivendi Universal Games released before 2004 branded as Sierra or Universal Interactive don't mention Vivendi Universal Games anywhere on the packaging, but on PAL region PS2 titles they do mention Vivendi Universal Games. Should I relabel all the titles under the parent company name or under the labels? Luigitehplumber (talk) 17:18, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Not sure if the logos for either are overly neccessary if they land in a list article. NFCC also tells us that we cannot put multiple non-free media into the same article. Regarding the labels, as far as I can tell they were divisions (or subsidiaries. respectively) with their own management, so they should be put when they were the publishing entity. Lordtobi (✉) 17:21, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
So basically, the VU Games titles that use brand names (like Sierra or Universal Interactive) should stay under the parent company's name. Luigitehplumber (talk) 17:23, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
If there was a division that published a game, the division's name should be put (good example is 2K Sports instead of 2K Games). If it is just the same entity using a different name (that's a label), it should be the entity's name (e.g. Infogrames using the Atari name to boost sales prior to actually renaming itself). Lordtobi (✉) 17:45, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Once again, thanks. I guess I should just keep them how they were when I added a note and note list to them with the brand name.
As I stated, these seem to be independently-managed divisions, so it should be the divisions' names. Lordtobi (✉) 18:35, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Okay then, i'll change all of them up until Sierra was downgraded in 2004, do you know the exact month when that happened? Luigitehplumber (talk) 18:39, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Month seems to be unknown to the public, but Retro Gamer knows that it was in 2004: "[...] in 2004, the last bastion of the old Sierra fell with the closure of the Bellevue offices. Sierra, in all but name, had died". Sourced through [12] (Al Lowe is a former Sierra employee, and he quotes Retro Gamer, a reliable source; I'm trying to track down the magazine it was printed in). Lordtobi (✉) 18:48, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
I'll keep the titles the company was used as a brand name in a different region as Vivendi Universal Games (eg, The Simpsons: Hit and Run, as that was released before Sierra was downgraded) Luigitehplumber (talk) 21:47, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
I’ve done all the Sierra ones that I could find except for games branded under the name in Europe and a Die Hard game, as that was branded as an NDA Productions title in Europe, might as well continue off changing titles made before 2002 that say Sierra Entertainment or a brand name to Sierra On-Line. Luigitehplumber (talk) 10:56, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Proposed improvements for the Ezra Klein article

Hello, Lordtobi! First, I wanted to thank you again for your help on the Polygon article. I'm not sure if you're specifically interested in video game content or not, but I have a similar request with a few straightforward corrections and improvements for the Ezra Klein article here, if you're willing to take a look. If you're not familiar, Klein is associated with Polygon's parent company, Vox Media, and co-founded Vox. No problem if you're not interested, but I figured I would ask since you were responded to my similar request, and no one has replied to the Klein request since I posted a few weeks ago. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 20:24, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Inkian Jason. Video games and related companies are my primary interests here on Wikipedia, so I sure can help you out with that other request. But you might need to hold on until tomorrow (depending on when tomorrow is for you), since I edit from the other side of the globe (Germany). You you can expect to hear from me in the next 24hrs. Lordtobi (✉) 20:35, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
No problem, and thanks for your willingness to help. Inkian Jason (talk) 20:36, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Hello again. I wanted to share a quick update: another editor has replied to the Ezra Klein request, so there's no need to review unless you're interested. On the off chance you're still willing to help with a different request, I've submitted one here to add a sourced list of notable instructors and alumni to the Full Sail University article. Full Sail has a video game design program, so you might recognize some of the names on the list. All names are sourced, and I've provided markup for easier implementation, if helpful. Whether or not you're interested, thanks again for your past help. Inkian Jason (talk) 21:51, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
@Inkian Jason, it appears the Ezra Klein request has mostly been handeled already, so I don't see a need for further action from my side. I can take a look at Full Sail shortly. If you have any further video game-related requests, feel free to ask me (or the Video games WikiProject) after you posted to the article's talk page. Lordtobi (✉) 13:43, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for taking a look at this request when you have a moment, and I will reach out to you or WikiProject Video games for future related requests. Thanks again! Inkian Jason (talk) 15:25, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

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VU Games

I've did Sierra, but what i've managed to see on 2003 games is that the VU Games logo does appear on the back cover of Sierra's games, so basically Sierra weren't separate like with Blizzard (No Blizzard title that i've seen mentions VU Games on the cover). The back covers only have copyright infomation and who developed the titles, no mention if VU or Sierra are the publishers part from PAL region PS2 games, in-which it says "Published by Vivendi Universal Games".

Universal Interactive, well i'm still not certain on that one. Black Label Games is the same (one PAL-region PS2 title released as a Black Label Games product (The Thing) says "Published by Universal Interactive".

So should I revert the Sierra titles I edited to Vivendi Universal Games (with the note saying it's branded as a Sierra Entertainment game) if they mention them on the back cover and copyright? Luigitehplumber (talk) 12:39, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

To prevent this from turning into an original research fest, use the name that is on the cover front, Sierra -> Sierra, up until the point where we reliably know that the company no longer existed and only the brand was retained. Lordtobi (✉) 14:10, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Okay then, i've kept Sierra as it is, while for the rest i'll change them to what the front cover says up until 2004, which won't be a problem as Universal Interactive and Black Label Games names ceased to be used from that point. Luigitehplumber (talk) 18:10, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Nike founding

Are you saying the founders of Nike were working under the table when they created Nike?--Wyn.junior (talk) 01:23, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

I believe I already answered this question. It is not of interest to Wikipedia how they handeled corporate registration, what we require is reliable sourcing. Nike celebreated their 50th anniversary in January 2014 (Calculus tells us, 2014 – 50 = 1964), and Complex, a reliable source, stated that the exact birthday was January 25. If you want to believe they were trading "under the table", go ahead. However, there is enough evidence that they were active in 1964, literally including Nike's website, which you really cannot defy. Lordtobi (✉) 16:09, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

List of Acclaim Entertainment games

LTPofficial and Lordtobi, you forgot most LJN (from 1990 onwards), Flying Edge or Arena Entertainment titles (from 1992 onwards) that got in the List of Acclaim Entertainment games page. --73.184.6.244 (talk) 02:38, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Sierra confusion

So the source you found for Sierra said they closed in 2004. I've managed to do some research and here's what i've found so far.

https://casetext.com/case/valve-corp-v-sierra-entertainment-inc (during the Valve court case) https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/vivendi-universal-games-announces-sale-of-knowledge-adventure (an article about the sale of Knowledge Adventure that has a small part about Vivendi Universal Games) https://money.cnn.com/2004/06/21/technology/vugames/index.htm (Another News Article)

I do now believe that Sierra did shut down as a company in 2004, maybe on the infobox it should at least have a mention about the fact VU Games kept Sierra as a brand name alongside the company name (Sierra Entertainment, Inc.). Luigitehplumber (talk) 16:06, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

The CNN Money source is ideal, it literally says that the company shut down ("Despite the closing, VU Games still plans to use the Sierra name"), so the 2004 claim is valid. To go for your question, posthumous branding usually is not key to a company (since the company is dead) so it's not included in the infobox. The lead should be sufficient for this. Lordtobi (✉) 16:11, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

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Acclaim

Thanks for all the help you could do for me for the Acclaim Entertainment subsidiaries page. At some point could you clean up the Virgin Interactive page please? Luigitehplumber (talk) 21:23, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

I think Acclaim Manchester would be my next target. Virgin looks like quite a hurdle judging from its length. Lordtobi (✉) 21:37, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Okay then. I'll attempt to downgrade the page as best as I can. Good luck fixing up the Acclaim Studios Manchester page. Luigitehplumber (talk) 22:41, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

List of Acclaim Entertainment games

Lordtobi, add any game from LJN (after its acquisition in 1990), Flying Edge and Arena Entertainment (after its acquisition in 1992) to the List of Acclaim Entertainment games page! Major examples are the Sega versions of NBA Jam and Mortal Kombat (published by Arena). --73.184.6.244 (talk) 00:46, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi! This sounds like quite a task. Unfortunately I'm short on time, so maybe you could take a shot at it yourself. :) Lordtobi (✉) 04:43, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Sierra Entertainment becoming defunct

You mention that Sierra remained as a legal entity in Washington, but that their status as a legal entity in California was dissolved prior to 2008. This is because after 1993, Sierra's headquarters in the US relocated to Bellevue, Washington. The original Oakhurst, California studio shut down in February 1999. As a legal entity Sierra remained in business, even if as a publishing label, until 2008 when Activision folded the label. I can if you require get you US trademark law records which prove my point.

Secondly, a lot of your dates for acquisitions by Sierra were off and I had to fix them.

Third, I see you have renamed the publisher of all Sierra games after 2001 as Vivendi Universal. This is not the case. In the United States, Sierra published all of its games without Vivendi Universal's imprint. Perhaps in Europe it was different but here in the US, all games published by Sierra prior to 2005 had only Sierra; and the games were copyrighted and trademarked to Sierra. Copyright and trademark law works differently here. Not only that, but Sierra existed as a physical, independent studio in Bellevue Washington until 2004 and also until 2004 had two in-house developers (Papyrus and Impressions)

For example, when the Sierra brand was relaunched in 2014 by Activision, on the box it read "King's Quest, and Sierra, are trademarks of Activision Publishing." In 2004, let's say, a game would say, "King's Quest, and Sierra, are trademarks of Sierra Entertainment, Inc." Sierra was a legal entity and very much a "real" company. Where it gets fishy is after 2004. I would appreciate, however, if you would go back and relabel the games prior to 2005 as being Sierra games, not Vivendi Games. As late as 2004, Sierra employed roughly 350 employees (in Bellevue and at Impressions and Papyrus). Sierra was still a company in 2004, even if it was a subsidiary. It does a disservice to the people who actually were Sierra employees until 2004 to claim that the games they worked on were actually Vivendi Games. Vivendi provided localization services in Europe but that was the extent of it; if you go back for example and read the manuals to Homeworld or The Hobbit you can see Sierra and Vivendi are treated separately. Sierra was the publisher and worked with the either in-house or third party development team(s), Vivendi the distributer and for the international market, did the localization.

Also, it seems that when Vivendi shut down the Bellevue offices in 2004, they offered Sierra employees relocation packages in Los Angeles, and the reason the Bellevue, Impressions and Papyrus locations were shut down was not so much to do away with Sierra as a company but rather to focus on Sierra as a publisher, because as a developer they were failing. Read the press release with quotes from employees back in 2004:

https://www.seattlepi.com/business/article/Bellevue-to-lose-game-studio-1147675.php

Hi, thanks for getting in touch. I have the feeling you lost track of your message halfway through, as some part contradict each other. However, I want to make clear the following:
  • Given that this is an encyclopedia, we work on reliable sources. I took dates I was able to find from those sources and then stuffed them into the subsidiary section (assuming you meant that section). If you change or add dates, you are required to bring up new sources that confirm these dates, instead of claiming that other dates were 'off' although they were properly sourced (usually with sources from the time the acquisition occured). Note here that MobyGames is not a reliable source.
  • Just because it says "[...] Sierra Entertainment, Inc." on the backs of boxes released after August 2004 (when they died) does not mean they actually existed still. As the source (co-authored by former Sierra employees, BTW) states, the company ceased on August 27, 2004, and the name was retained by Vivendi. I am aware that Vivendi, using this as a branding (and as far as we know not as a division with a new, seperate management, but directly execs or designees from Vivendi Games), continued publishing under that name, but they never officially ceased to do so when they merged with Activision.
  • I was actually not the one to change all publisher labels on the games' articles, that must have been someone else. If you feel like this needs reversion, go ahead.
  • I appear to be unable to access the press release you linked due to GDPR restrictions, do you have a different source/reprint of the press release?
Cheers. Lordtobi (✉) 11:27, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
I've found that I can work around obnoxious anti-adblocking (causing obscurity of the source text) by archiving the source first on archive.org (or finding it there) and then reading it there. Maybe you can try the same for anti-GPDR with this copy. That said, separating out some of the lines with what is in the news article:
  • When Vivendi shut down the Bellevue offices in 2004 Article confirms this.
  • they offered Sierra employees relocation packages The article says "some may be", not "all were". Later it says Employees, who were told of the restructuring in individual meetings yesterday, will receive severance packages. Kelly Zmak, general manager of the Seattle office, will lose his job. So, some were definitely laid off.
  • the reason the Bellevue, Impressions and Papyrus locations were shut down was not so much to do away with Sierra as a company but rather to focus on Sierra as a publisher, because as a developer they were failing. This misrepresents the sources involved. The quotation from the 10-year employee (anonymous) is It is their natural model. They want to be a publisher, they don't want to be a developer. They have been failing on the development end for quite a while. They make no money on their in-house products., seemingly speaking only about Sierra. The statement made by the company was (chief executive of Vivendi Universal Games Bruce Hack): Restructuring the organization and reducing our cost base are necessary to improve our operating effectiveness and profitability., speaking possibly about either Sierra or the overall closures, including Impressions and Papyrus.
--Izno (talk) 16:54, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I'm new at this whole WikiPedia thing to be honest, I'm not good with the formatting, but I agree with your general sentiment and I think your edit works well. However, I was hit with a "Conflict of Interest" message because of my username. I would like to clarify that I have never worked for Sierra On-Line (by the time I was of legal working age, Sierra was defunct) and I do not have any connection personally to anyone who worked there. I am simply a fan of the company. I'm new to Wikipedia; if you could help me clear this up that would be great. User:Sierra Histrorian —Preceding undated comment added 20:41, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
@Sierra Histrorian: Hi again. Everyone's gotta start somewhere, right? Talking formatting, you can use the "Advanced" tab at the top of the editing panel and the items right below the panel ("Sing your posts" and "Cite your sources") to easy. Should be self-explainatory, but if you have questions, please let me know. For talk pages, generally use colons to indent your posts, by default one more than the previous comment, and are sign your post at the end with your name and timestamo. This can be done using four tildes (can be clicked on below), the rest is done automatically.
To resolve the COI notice, it'd best if you posted a reply under the notice, pinging the editor who posted the notice (you can use the {{ping}} template with the user in question's name as parameter, this way he will get notified you mentioned him) and explaining the situation. If you have any other questions, just let me know. Lordtobi (✉) 21:15, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Computer Space release date

Hey, can you send me a link/photo of the Retro Gamer page you cited for Computer Space's release date? It's usually really hard to pin down a 70s arcade game to a single day, as they didn't have advertised releases so much as "a day they started shipping giant wood cabinets to distributors", so I'm surprised that RG could nail it down to the 15th. --PresN 02:45, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

@PresN: Hi! Here you go: [13]. Cheers. Lordtobi (✉) 06:51, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

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Sierra Historian

The infomation he put on the Sierra page seems like it was plucked straight from a Sierra fansite like Sierra Chest or something like that, it just felt like that to me. It's all got no sources as well. Luigitehplumber (talk) 11:34, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

@Sierra Histrorian: Is this true? If you copied the content straight off another website, it would have to be renoved due to copyright violation. And yeah, like LTP says, you provided no sources for most of the content. Would be cool if you could unwrange the case a bit, we can work out possible solutions together. Lordtobi (✉) 17:44, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
I’ve reverted back the edits anyway just in case they were taken from another website. Luigitehplumber (talk) 17:55, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

The information came from Sierra's 10k forms filed with the SEC (in the case of listing Sierra's acquisitions) as well as archived press releases from TheFreeLibrary. No fan sites. The problem is that unless one works for a professional journalism company, old press releases (which are valuable sources of information regarding mergers, acquisitions and such) are hard to come by and TheFreeLibrary is the only available free source.

A few examples of where I feel my work was justified: Coktel Vision is listed now again as being purchased in May 1994, but Sierra's 10k filing form with the SEC (a free legal document publicly available in the U.S.) lists the date of purchase as October 29th, 1993: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/724991/0000891020-96-000721.txt

That comes from an official objective government website. You have to go far down, but if you do so, it will list Sierra's acquisitions within the past several years prior to 1996, and lists Coktel's date of acquisition and price, as well as the dates and prices of other acquisitions.

Berkeley Systems has been removed as a Sierra subsidiary despite Sierra's own press releases referring to it as a studio. I found an article from the latimes which confirms that while CUC did in fact buy Berkeley, the management of the studio was immediately transferred to Sierra: http://articles.latimes.com/1997-04-10/business/fi-47219_1_berkeley-systems

From the article: "Julie Wainwright, chief executive of Berkeley, is expected to leave the company after serving as an advisor during the transition. Chris Deyo, a marketing executive with Berkeley, has been named general manager of the unit and will report to executives at Sierra Online, another game company acquired by CUC last year."

Another source, per IGN: http://m.ign.com/articles/1999/02/23/sierra-shuts-down-studios

Fr the article: "But not all Sierra Studios were consolidated into the mother company. More successful outfits like Impressions, Dynamix, Berkeley Systems and Papyrus Designs will all remain in their independent offices"

Other pieces of information came from Coming Soon Magazine, a 90s online PC gaming magazine which has many press releases and articles about many companies, including Sierra.

As far as the CUC era and Ken Williams' status goes, that as taken from Ken Williams' own words on his website, and the part about Sierra being split into three business units after President Mike Brochu left was taken from Gamspot'a news archives - and GameSpot is a very old and reputable site, and not a Sierra fan site at all.

Ken's statements about the CUC acquisition, its aftermath, and his departure from Sierra can and will be sourced from his own words on his personally run website. I will paste the links and relevant quotes here.

The bits about Sierra and Ken signing Half Life in late 1996 come from an article on Valve's history which I will link soon.

Basically all of my information can be sourced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sierra Histrorian (talk • contribs) 13:28, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

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Keywords Studios

Should we create a brand new page dedicated to Keywords Studios? They're a rather large outsourcing video game company and they haven't received their own Wikipedia page yet? UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 19:24, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Honestly never heard of them before. Maybe we should put together a draft first. Lordtobi (✉) 19:40, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
Here's a link to their website so you can check them out: https://www.keywordsstudios.com/. They're rather big, but because they don't actually make their own games, that's probably why a lot of people haven't heard of them. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 05:33, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Atari, SA

Do you have any chance to re-write the Atari, SA page or does it have the same problem that the Virgin Interactive page has (that you told me)? Luigitehplumber (talk) 11:52, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

King

You need to go back and check your run--if you made that error there (linking to King instead of King (company)), you may have made it elsewhere. --Izno (talk) 00:04, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi! I had a config error within my first replacements, but retrospectively changed the errors I found. Seems like I missed Kotick's page. Lordtobi (✉) 00:09, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

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DotEmu

Continuing on from your edit, would you be able to update the DotEmu games list, please? I've made the games list more presentable, however, it's evident that it isn't all of the games that the company has converted or published. Alongside that, there's missing and/or incorrect information. Thank you Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 18:46, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

@Iftekharahmed96: I started a redo of the article in my sandbox, which you can contribute to if you like. Specifically missing currently are sources for the games they ported. I'm also not sure if this is a result of vandalism, but many of the years listed are off and unsorted. For example, it stated that Windjammers 2 released in 2017, although it was just announced this year and is set for next year. Lordtobi (✉) 18:42, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

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Reliable sources

Regarding news about Reigns Switch release on Sept 20th (reported by My Nintendo News which relies on PR sources of other companies) I suggest that you find information about releases. I am subscribed to them that either, they have sources reported by reliable sources, or that of PR sources from companies which are somehow not linked for citation, yet. Whatever I can find by email notifications, I add it in without citation until one is available, which usually is added within 2 days. Even Nintendo.com should have it listed as September 20th. Zacharyalejandro (talk) 17:31, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

If you can, dig up their citation and it it to the two articles, updating the release date. Lordtobi (✉) 17:38, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

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Davidson & Associates going defunct

On when exactly Davidson & Associates, Inc., was rendered defunct: I was wondering if we could try to research this topic together? I ask because the whole thing seems very mysterious and not altogether clear. I did find a February 18th, 1997 press release issued by CUC Software which mentions how Davidson made an acquisition of a firm called Educational Resources, and how CUC Software would be targeting the educational market via the distribution channels and resources of Sierra and Davidson: https://web.archive.org/web/19970714182131/http://www.cucsoftware.com:80/press/cucschool.html

Also, in this CUC press release from February 1998, Larry Gross is named the CEO of both Knowledge Adventure and Davidson: https://web.archive.org/web/19981206134417/http://cucsoftware.com:80/cdpress/SYRACUSE.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sierra Histrorian (talk • contribs) 03:30, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

And in this 1998 corporate backgrounder for Cendant Software (formed after Cendant formed in Dec 1997), Davidson & Associates is listed as employing over 800 people (an increase of 200 employees from the 1997 CUC Software backgrounder): https://web.archive.org/web/19981202044501/http://cucsoftware.com:80/cdpress/CDBACK.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sierra Histrorian (talk • contribs) 03:34, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Davidson themselves were still issuing press releases regarding the release of new products as late as June 1997: https://web.archive.org/web/19980120191703/http://education.com:80/press/school/roadiesh.html and still releasing press releases regarding strategic partnerships as far as November 1997: https://web.archive.org/web/19980120191357/http://education.com:80/press/school/educntst.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sierra Histrorian (talk • contribs) 03:41, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

The last product release press release I can find is dated from March of 1998: https://web.archive.org/web/19980520032220/http://education.com:80/press/school/rb912.html These later press releases come from a May 1998 screen capture of Davidson's website by the Wayback Machine.

By the time of the next screen capture, dated December 3rd 1998, Davidson's page redirects to Knowledge Adventure's. It would seem to me that Davidson went defunct as such sometime between May and December of 1998. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sierra Histrorian (talk • contribs) 03:46, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

It would be nice to work together on this, if you would be so inclined.

@Sierra Histrorian: I'm doing the best I can to find secondary, reliable sources on these matters all the time, but the attention it has received over time is hard to dig up because the Internet is not good in documenting such things. In meantime, I by all means try to avoid original research being inserted on articles, as it is what brings Wikipedia bad reputation and and unstable article. I'd be glad to help, and I'll definetly try to find more sources when I find the time to do so. Lordtobi (✉) 06:13, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

The sources I've found (which I've linked to you above) are from CUC Software's and Davidson's own press releases from 1997 and 1998. They indicate that after Bob & Jan Davidson left Davidson in January 1997, Chris McLeod (CEO of CUC Software) was placed in charge of Davidson. Sometime between then and March of 1998, Larry Gross (CEO of Knowledge Adventure) was made CEO of Davidson & Associates. That information is confirmed and sourced from first hand sources; may I add it to the Davidson page?

It seems Davidson still existed as late as May 1998 (going by the press releases on Davidson's site). But by December 1998 the site would redirect to Knowledge Adventure's. That information is hard to confirm so I wouldn't put it in there. But since it did exist (per press release) until at least May of 1998, I was wondering if I could change the year it went defunct to 1998? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sierra Histrorian (talk • contribs) 03:24, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Do you know when Vivendi Universal Games officially retired brand names like Black Label Games, NDA Productions or Universal Interactive?

With the latter, they were still copyrighted in Crash and Spyro titles even after the brand name was retired, and the last title that credited them was The Legend of Spyro: A New Beginning, as I got the game today and they were credited in the copyright info. The Crash Titans duology and the other 2 Legend of Spyro titles only credit Sierra Entertainment. Luigitehplumber (talk) 11:59, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

I believe there is a way of checking this via the US trademark or copyright office. I know I did this online once to check when Sierra's legal entity was retired. I will try to find the site (it's one of the US government sites) and look there if you'd like.

According to Mobygames, Black Label Games' last release was Mace Griffin: Bounty Hunter in 2003. https://www.mobygames.com/company/black-label-games This does fit in around the time Vivendi was undergoing a lot of turmoil (IIRC their sales figures were doing poorly; Blizzard North was shut down, and Sierra was experiencing layoffs).

NDA Productions is only credited with one game which came out in 2002 (Die Hard: Vendetta)

Universal Interactives' last game was in 2009. Before that, the name seems to have been retired since 2005. https://www.mobygames.com/company/universal-interactive-inc If you recall, between 2005 and 2008, Vivendi pretty much exclusively used the Sierra brand name on all their products, at least in North America, until 2008. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sierra Histrorian (talk • contribs) 15:47, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Sierra Histrorian, Mobygames is not a reliable source because it can be edited by anybody. Luigitehplumber (talk) 17:53, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

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Hi Lordtobi, I am looking for more voices to a question I posted at Talk:Unity Technologies. As a recent editor who has made significant contributions to the Unity Technologies article, you might be interested. I started an informal discussion there to see if editors think it might be worth pursuing a possible merge of Unity Technologies and Unity (game engine). So far, I received two thoughtful and constructive responses and I am hoping to hear from others. The full discussion is over at Talk:Unity_Technologies#Possible_merge?, and I hope you can take a look. Do you know of any other editors who might have an opinion on this? I want to disclose my conflict of interest: I am here as the representative of Unity Technologies on Wikipedia. --Matthewpruitt (talk) 20:33, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

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Dick's Sporting Goods

Hi, Lordtobi. I wanted to make sure you saw my replies at Talk:Dick's Sporting Goods. No rush, but please let me know when you've had a chance to review or if you have any other concerns. Thank you. Inkian Jason (talk) 16:20, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Regarding a revert of one of my edits.

Hi, I noticed you reverted one of my good-faith edits to the Team Fortress 2 article for the fact I did not provide sources. I know this is a newbie speaking (and one with poor social skills at that), but could you explain why you reverted instead of partially editing or sourcing yourself to make it more clear and cited? The reason why I didn't source is because a) it is just an item for each class (and other edits I have made regarding items have been untouched) and b) I didn't realise it had to (sorry about that). If I could, I would've sourced the Official TF Wiki (but of course that's a nono), or else just put the citation needed thingy, otherwise it'd fall under Wikipedia:OR. :(

Thanks, and sorry if I'm bothering you. DudeTheNinja ( speak to me | spy on me ) 10:19, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi @DudeTheNinja, and thanks for dropping by. Yes indeed every content addition here requires to be sourced through a reliable source (see also WP:V), and as you correctly identified, the TF2 Wiki is no such reliable source. I usually cite the guideline WP:BURDEN which basically says that people who make edits are responsible for citing the additions. Surely I could've gone after the sourcing myself, though unfortunately I cannot offer that much time. Yet, I can still offer you advice on getting sources (if you require), and sourcing is a good exercise for newcomers. As this is a video game article, you might be interested in WP:VG/SE, our custom VG-specific search engine for reliable sources. If you have any questions, please let me know. Lordtobi (✉) 15:15, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Sex'n'Crime

You AFDd Amok Entertainment, which published the above magazine. Have you seen anything to indicate the notability of the magazine? --Izno (talk) 13:49, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

I don't I think I ever saw that name pop up when I attempted researching Amok (which evidently failed). I can do a more precise check when I get home. Lordtobi (✉) 13:51, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
I see a few not-quite-significant coverage hits over in Gbooks. Maybe the article is reasonable. --Izno (talk) 18:03, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
@Izno: Good call on GBooks, indeed there was something, however, I still think it isn't sufficient. WP:VG/SE returns zero results and other attempts at finding reliable info failed thus far. I changed the article to what could be sourced, but should we consider AfD for this one as well? Lordtobi (✉) 19:28, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
I'd just add it to list of disk magazines with its references and maybe a brief description, and then redirect the article. --Izno (talk) 20:13, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
The claim in Tamas seems to contrast the claim in Disk magazine#1980s, on an aside, regarding the first disk magazines. Given that Softdisk was published from 1981, I think it's reasonable to take that one at face value rather than Tamas. --Izno (talk) 20:17, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
Good point.  Done. Lordtobi (✉) 20:22, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
I had meant the list page, so I took care of that. --Izno (talk) 22:49, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Bigfeet

Not that it's a major crisis, but how do you find that? My brief search seems to indicate that the irregular plural "Bigfoot" is correct. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 13:22, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Roscelese, and thanks from dropping by. Please review the correctnes of this Wiktionary entry, which I drew from. Lordtobi (✉) 13:44, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure Wiktionary is the best source. Compare this, for instance (noting that there's no strong consensus on the proper plural but choosing to use "Bigfoot" as a plural), or this from an apparently noted crptozoologist. Obviously this is not a subject that seems to get a lot of discussion in reliable sources, but I think what's available supports "Bigfoot" as plural, regardless of a user-generated Wiktionary entry. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:34, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
I think ideally the sentence in question could be reworded to avoid the plural, don't you think? Otherwise, if you wish, you put your interpretation of the pluralised word, as the case is not 100% clear. Lordtobi (✉) 15:41, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Rereading the sentence, I think it actually works fine whether "Bigfoot" is intended to be plural or singular. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:52, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

OWNTALK

Users are allowed to remove warnings and block notices from their talk page. They are not allowed to remove declined appeals, but that's different. -- ferret (talk) 22:39, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

G5, AFD

What are you doing? You've nominated The Witcher for AFD. -- ferret (talk) 22:43, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

@Ferret: Actually I RfD'd the redirect, Twinkle must've gotten it wrong. Lordtobi (✉) 22:45, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
Definitely Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Witcher 4 AFD'd, then the redirect put it to the target page. -- ferret (talk) 22:45, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
I use the "XFD" function frequently but this didn't happen yet. Will file a bug report. Lordtobi (✉) 22:47, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Regarding the removal of my edit on GTA: San Andreas

Are the Xbox One (X and S as well) versions not ports of GTA: San Andreas too? Even if they are not ports, shouldn't including these and the PS4 versions good because this shows which platforms the game is available on?

I get what you mean, Wikipedia is supposed to be technically correct and all but I believe that mentioning all devices on which the game works is more accurate. It is an emulation by Sony itself and I think that it can be easily considered another platform since people don't have to do anything else to play the game and it is officially available there.

Hi @SquoniX, thanks for checking by. It has been decided by consensus that the Infobox of a video game should not hold platforms the game was not natively (ex)ported to or developed for (this rule is specifically outlined in our guidelines for the Infobox's template). For example, the game was not ported to PlayStation 4, nor was it properly published for that platform. Sony just switched on emulation for the game and it subsequently/semi-automatically became available on the PlayStation Store. Rockstar had no, at best little input for that release.
Similarly for Xbox One, it is also just an old game with emulation. Especially here it should be noted that the Xbox One S and Xbox One X are just Xbox One's with different hardware capabilities (we don't list evry kind of PC in existence either), so we should not list them seperately. In contrast, it was originally emulated on PS3, but later remastered, ported and properly released for that platform. If you have any other questions, please let me know.
P.S. Don't forget to sing your posts by using ~~~~. Lordtobi (✉) 13:57, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Drome Racers Xbox source

I noticed when I was looking through the edits you were doing to other articles, that you said Amazon is now a non-reliable source on Wikipedia.

I've thought since you say that, I'd go back to when we first (in a way) met over the Drome Racers Xbox port. The only source you could find was on Amazon Germany, and since it was the only one and that it's now unreliable, I can safely say the Xbox port was cancelled. The stock image could also give claim it was scrapped, as it has an ELSPA rating, not a PEGI rating that the GameCube version has. Luigitehplumber (talk) 21:11, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

As I said in my edit summary, Eurogamer reviewed the game on Xbox when it releasedm so it's safe to say the game actually released on that platform, even if it did not get into far circulation. Lordtobi (✉) 21:43, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
I've looked all over the internet for any more reviews for the Xbox version, and Eurogamer is the only website or game anything that has reviewed it. All I can say is that ether EA or Lego Interactive cancelled the version in the last minute, akin to the Nintendo 64 version of 40 Winks, but for that game GT confirmed themselves that they likely wouldn't release it, so i'll just classify the Xbox version of Drome Racers as an "unofficially cancelled" game. Luigitehplumber (talk) 21:47, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Okay so I just checked their old website and Drome Racers does not appear under the Xbox category (while it does under the GameCube category). So maybe it did not release after all. However, there is no such thing as "unofficially cancelled". The best we could do is somehow state that the game was "also reviewed for Xbox". Lordtobi (✉) 21:57, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

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Visual Concepts

I just want to make you aware of this, it looks like Visual Concepts is getting a new logo: https://trademarks.justia.com/881/38/v-and-88138577.html UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 06:23, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Bully 2

not likely, since a trademark must be used in commerce otherwise its generalized or generic, I imagine since Take Two is still selling Bully, they can still get protection on bully 2 which means we will never see bully, trademarks on digital goods last forever it seems... Offical? This is coming from Take 2 who owns Rockstar its offical — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetechwizard21 (talk • contribs) 15:39, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

@Thetechwizard21: Just because Take2 registered a domain does not mean that it is or will be actively in use. For comparison, Take2 also registered gtavi.com, gtavii.com and gtaviii.com. But there are not only domains but also redundant trademarks owned by Take2, such as Rockstar 1, Rockstar 2 and Rockstar 3, among so many others. Domains are mainly registered as placeholders against cybersquatting, and trademarks in case anyone tries to enter the VG market using a play on their actual trademarks, or direct copies of expired trademarks. Lordtobi (✉) 16:29, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
You cannot cybersquat domain names unless you own the trademarks, they cant cybersquat on things that will never come, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetechwizard21 (talk • contribs) 20:31, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
That's not quite how cybersquatting works. You can register domain names all you what, no domain provider will ever check whether you own the trademark associated with the domain's name. Furthermore, legal action can only be taken if your name was used to advertise something you wouldn't want advertised, which is not an integral part of cybersquatting. Cybersquatting could just as well be a malicious auto-download. See also. Lordtobi (✉) 21:46, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Thetechwizard21 (talk) 02:46, 13 October 2018 (UTC) Lets say i register a trademark but I do nothing with it, someone could come by and steal it and since im not using it for any purpose, I could loose the trademark

You don't just lose trademarks. They expire at a certain point and will have to be renewed in court. Otherwise a registration can be appealed in court but nobody wants to go through that kinda trouble just to steal a game name. Lordtobi (✉) 07:33, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable to me. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 06:06, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Take 2 would not take the time to register bully 2 if it did not intend to do anything with the property, or pay for federal registration. This happened with atari's star control. they were going to loose the trademark unless there was a product in commerce, which shadily there was. there must be a product in commerce for trademarks to be granted — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetechwizard21 (talk • contribs) 02:02, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes they would and no they don't. What you have to do is file a report on how you plan to use a trademark, but do not need an active property for that. Even without such a statement, trademarks stay registered for years before the USPTO notices (evident in multiple marks I linked above). They also recently renewed their trademark for "Oni", a game they stopped selling over a decade ago. You are just going in circles with your arguments. Lordtobi (✉) 05:21, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Oh ok, 10 years, shit thats a long time, I figure Take 2 will re-release myth and oni, as a way to make money off of back catalog. Yea when it comes to say email addresses, you have to literally own them forever, otherwise the email breaks, like roadrunner.com, spectrum and at&t users are getting @roadrunner.com addresses still, which they have to, for eternity. Like a physical address, so if take 2 doesnt do anything with oni, in 10 years say around 2021 it seems then i can register the trademark

Yeah, if Take-Two abandons the trademark you'll get the chance to register it for yourself. What Take-Two could do is oppose the trademark registration, arguing that they associated the intellectual property associated with the trademark just like Warner Bros. did an succeeded with just a couple years ago, even though the last game to use the name was released 11 years prior. Baseline: Trademarks are legal fuzz and have little to no correlation to active product development, and we should never treat them as such (that's original research). Lordtobi (✉) 12:23, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

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Team17

Hi Lordtobi! Thanks for removing the vandalism that was added to the Team17 article. I'm messaging you because I noticed that you didn't warn the IP user for the edits they made there. It may have been intentional, but I figured I'd message you about it in case it wasn't. Warning users for their disruptive edits not only gives them an opportunity to stop and correct the behavior, but also leaves a "paper trail" showing that the user was clearly warned repeatedly if their edits don't stop and action is needed; it makes it easier for admins to take that action when they see documentation like that. Anyways, just letting you know. I hope you have a great day and I wish you happy editing and patrolling! :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 06:50, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Help with KingsIsle Entertainment updates

Hello Lordtobi. My name is User:MrDaveR. I am employed by KingsIsle Entertainment and have been tasked with making updates to the Wikipedia page for the company. Not only is the page out of date but it also doesn't follow the structure of other game company pages I have reviewed, including a couple that you have edited. I know that, in editing the article, I place myself in a COI. I have read the help sections on COI editing and would like your guidance in improving the page, since you have shown an interest in improving video game pages. Would you be willing to review the planned updates to ensure that they contribute in a positive way to the article? If so, I will post them on your talk page (or wherever you would like me to post them) for your review. Thanks! MrDaveR (talk) 16:08, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi MrDaveR, thanks for dropping by! It's good that you made yourself familiar with our COI guidelines, so you know that it is advised not to edit pages directly if you have one. That said, surely I'll be able to help you out. Please take to the article's talk page (I just put the article on my watchlist) and outline there what is incorrect or missing from the article. Ideally, you could already provide reliable sources to back these claims up. If you cannot find any, I can also try my best to find some. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 17:17, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the response User:Lordtobi. I've been organizing my suggestions into a draft based on the structure of other game company pages. Would you prefer I post that in it's entirety in the talk section or provide proposed updates in list format? Definitely making sure to properly source updates and would appreciate your help confirming the sources are up to WP standards. MrDaveR (talk) 19:09, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

MrDaveR, if you have a complete draft ready you can place it in your sandbox page and then link it to me. If you prefer list-style edit reuqests you can do that to sure. I have already undergone some routine fixes on the article and incoming links, so I can smoothly transition your proposals into the live article.upon review. Lordtobi (✉) 19:12, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

I went ahead and posted my draft here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MrDaveR/sandbox Would really appreciate your thoughts. MrDaveR (talk) 20:10, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

MrDaveR, I'll take a look at it tomorrow, thanks. Lordtobi (✉) 20:12, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi again MrDaveR! I've updated the page with the suggestions you made (with Wiki-style fixes, such as italics for video game titles), as well as some research effort from my side. Unfortunately, I couldn't overtake your senteces that cited the webpage "MMORPG.com" because, judging from its "about us" page, it would fall under unreliable sources by Wikipedia's guidelines. I searched through WP:VG/SE, the WikiProject for video games' own custom search engine for reliable video game sources (though it sometimes accidentally shows forum posts from otherwise reliable websites), and was able to find sources for EverClicker and Animal Cove, but not for Rise & Destroy and AlphaCat. It'd be great if you could check on whether you are able to find any sources on these. If there really are none, we can also resort to press releases if necessary.
Now a question from my side: If I understand correctly, the company's headquarters are/were located in Plano, while the majority of KingsIsle's staff is in Austin, right? As given in the article, they leased office space in Round Rock TX last year, and the "contact us" page currently presents a PO box in Round Rock. Now, is this a new development studio, the new location of the Austin studio, or the new location of the Plano headquarters? Lordtobi (✉) 10:56, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey User:lordtobi the page looks incredible! Thank you for doing so much research and updating the format. I had suggested MMORPG.com because they are an independent site with an editorial staff and articles written at editors direction rather than republishing of press releases. That said I'm not an expert on Wikipedia guidelines so I certainly defer to you on if they qualify. I will look for some other sources for AlphaCat and Rise & Destroy.

Good question. The space in Round Rock is a new location for the Austin studio. No changes in staff or projects, just a different building. Round Rock is a suburb of Austin so generally when describing the location to anyone who isn't actually in the city people refer to it as "Austin" because it's part of the metropolitan area but it is technically a different town. Let me know if that makes sense of I can provide any other information. Thank you again for your time in ensuring the accuracy of this article. MrDaveR (talk) 16:05, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
MrDaveR, good to know! Are the administrative offices in Plano still in place, or have they been merged into the Round Rock location? Lordtobi (✉) 16:08, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

User:lordtobi the Plano office is still in place. It is a much smaller office and has stayed in the same location. MrDaveR (talk) 17:03, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

MrDaveR, cool. In that case the article should now be correct. Let me know if you spot any mistakes. Lordtobi (✉) 17:04, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

User:lordtobi I corrected a couple of minor spelling typos but I can't see anything that would be a factual error. Thank you again for taking the time to edit this page. If I can ever be helpful in something you are working on please ask. MrDaveR (talk) 17:58, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

MrDaveR, hope your employers are happy with the new content, haha. Happy editing! Lordtobi (✉) 18:00, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Lego DC Super-Villains

The plot isn't complete, and I haven't played it, so, could you please finish it? If not, that's ok, I'll just find out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.1.94.255 (talk) 23:12, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Thus far I haven't played the game either, sorry. Lordtobi (✉) 05:15, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Atari

The user Dissident93 (might be an Admin or professional editor) said we cannot include "Atari, Inc." as the name of the company in infoboxes. This means you'll have to change all the pages that say it to simply "Atari" now or something like that (maybe he doesn't know that the company known as Atari today is not the same company). Luigitehplumber (talk) 10:17, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I find it useful to put Atari, Inc. to visuall disambiguate it from other Ataris that have existed and still do (such as Atari, SA). You might want to talk to Dissident directly about this. Lordtobi (✉) 10:26, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

My Friend Pedro

Hi, loco here. Noticed you took some of my edits for My Friend Pedro down, which is fine because they didn't have sources. Wanted some advice on what to cite for the Flash game, because there aren't many references (that I could find) outside of the Deadtoast website and the Flash AYCP sites. How should I go about this? Locodawg74 (talk) 13:14, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Locodawg74! Thanks for contacting me. To find good sources on video game releated articles, the respective WikiProject hosts a custom search engine you can find at WP:VG/SE. Furthermore, per WP:V, we need to make sure everything said here is also present in sources, so if you find something you would like to add but cannot find a proper source for that, please leave it out for the moment and contact me about it, and I can also try finding a sourcefor that. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 09:58, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Eidos Shanghai

Do you know if this development studio is still trading? Their website is horrendously out-of-date and there's barely any information I could find related to it nowadays, so I could guess they're ether a ghost developer or dormant? Luigitehplumber (talk) 21:16, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

LTPHarry, They been active at least in 2016 with Final Fantasy XV so it's likely they're still around. Given that there are no news or reports stating that the company has shut down, we shouldn't jump to assuming that. Lordtobi (✉) 10:04, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Would you say they’re just simply a support developer more than anything? (I’m saying as I have a feeling that if I attempt to add them into the Final Fantasy XV page, it will likely get reverted.) also do you know any other games they were involved with other than the ones that are on their website? Luigitehplumber (talk) 10:26, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
LTPHarry, they have never been more than a support developer, really, and it has been an outsourcing target from the start. Same with FFXV. Regarding products, I rally cannot tell more than their website and MobyGames statements I checked out. Lordtobi (✉) 10:34, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Alright then, thanks. Am I allowed to add them in as a note to the games they were involved with considering they’re just a support developer? Luigitehplumber (talk) 10:37, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Obviously, the best approach would be finding a reliable source that supports such statements. It also depends on a page-by-page local consensus on how to handle support developers, so you might want to check out how editors of the pages you want to edit handle the situation (given that there are usually more than just one support developer). Lordtobi (✉) 10:39, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Rockstar Games (2 Studios in NYC?)

Hey, so as you may know, Rockstar expanded their NYC branch to T2's former HQ in SoHo, which means that they now have 2 locations in NYC, NoHo and now SoHo. Should we note this in the Rockstar Games page? UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 17:40, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

UnknownAssassin1819, Rockstar was always co-located in T2's headquarters, and now occupy it fully. They do not have two locations. Lordtobi (✉) 17:42, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
But they only shared Headquarters, right? T2's SoHo HQ wasn't a development studio as well, but now it technically will be. Since they occupy it fully, it now means that they have two locations in NYC. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 17:46, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
UnknownAssassin1819, It's still the same office, the same address, the same building, possibly even the same floor. They did not suddenly expand into two seperate entities. Lordtobi (✉) 17:49, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

They actually do have 2 locations:

NoHo: https://www.rockstargames.com/careers/openings/position/80c2c423

SoHo: https://www.rockstargames.com/careers/openings/position/486abd81

UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 18:18, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

UnknownAssassin1819, The SoHo listing is likely an error. From day one they had been located on 622 Broadway, which is in NoHo. Also, I think we already discussed in the past that job descriptions are not reliable sources. Lordtobi (✉) 18:22, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Not reliable for Wikipedia maybe, but it's from Rockstar themselves, so it should be reliable among ourselves. It's not an error at all, if Rockstar is located in NoHo, but T2 was located in SoHo, that means Rockstar now can call the SoHo location their 2nd location. You just contradicted your own statement. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 20:30, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

UnknownAssassin1819, Take-Two was also in NoHo, at the same address. This is what I said above, and at no point did I contradict myself. Lordtobi (✉) 20:45, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Dan Houser stated that they needed T2's office to expand, T2 left their SoHo office, Rockstar is located in NoHo, but Rockstar co-occupied SoHo with T2, but now they fully occupy it. How does this not mean that they have two locations? Do you have a source that states that T2 was also located in NoHo? UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 20:53, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

UnknownAssassin1819, their contact page from last year, before they moved still states 622 Broadway, also Rockstar's address, which is in NoHo (as you can see on Google Maps). Lordtobi (✉) 20:56, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps they relocated both their NoHo and SoHo employees to their Bryant Park location, which would mean that Rockstar now fully occupies both NoHo and SoHo, which would mean that they have 2 locations now. T2's Wikipedia page even states that their corporate HQ was in SoHo. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 21:30, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

UnknownAssassin1819, they were at no point based in SoHo. Not sure how often I need to say this. Lordtobi (✉) 21:59, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Dissident93 And the Atari name update

Dissident93 replied to me today, and he said that the brand name is more or less better than using their corporate name, but on the page I tried to edit from he said to me that whatever Atari company is being used the link can still go to them, but keep the name as Atari.

Message him here if you’re enquired, as he’s thinking that there could be a discussion about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dissident93#Atari

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THQ San Diego

I've just made a page about the developer THQ San Diego, but I cannot find any year on when they were founded (as Midway Studios San Diego). Do you know to happen anything about this developer and when they were founded? Luigitehplumber (talk) 17:44, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

LTPHarry, No idea, sorry. Several documents seem to suggest it is from at least 1998, so I'd suggest scavenging Midway's website for related press releases. Lordtobi (✉) 18:51, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
Okay, thanks anyway. Luigitehplumber (talk) 19:00, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

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Rockstar India

So what happen to the Rockstar India page? It gone.BBMatBlood (talk) 10:41, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

BBMatBlood, I initially wrote the article. However, twi years later, I has to check again and sourcing is sparse. There are three sources that disciuss it briefly, but none goes in-depth so cannot really say anything about it. Lordtobi (✉) 11:01, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

It will be cool to have it back since India contributed to RDR2 and we will likely know the key staffs now including studio head etc. Anyway, Thank you for the reply. BBMatBlood (talk) 18:05, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

BBMatBlood, from reliable sources, we only know the following: They were established in August 2016, are based in Bengalore, had crunch on RDR2 and are led by Daniel Smith as studio director (per the RDR2 credits; also: his LinkedIn). All in all, though, this is not enough for a Wikipedia article. Lordtobi (✉) 18:30, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

The original article was not that bad just need a little expansion adding their RDR2 contribution as their first ever (wow cool to know the studio has a general manager who is on LinkedIn). Thanks Lord.BBMatBlood (talk) 18:51, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

BBMatBlood, actually, it was pretty bad as it consisted of one unreliable source and the rest being original research. It was 2016 and I didn't know what I was doing. A "proper" version (literally just four sentences) is currently commented out in the source code of the redirect. If there is ever something to expand the article with, I plan on expanding it. Lordtobi (✉) 19:14, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

That so cool of you. Thanks. BBMatBlood (talk) 20:15, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

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Accolades

Hi Lordtobi I think we have spoken before? Hi, Those accolades are not really notable. There are not wins, merely nominations, which means they are promotional in nature. Two nominations and a pending. You really think that is notable, for a brand new game? The metacritic score carries much more weight. scope_creep (talk) 22:18, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Scope creep, I don't remember having had any discourse with you, but my memmory might as well trick me here. Anyhow, you stated that the accolades table is in violation of Wiki policy, so I asked you to provide the guideline in question. Would you mind doing that? Also, I don't see how it could be promotional to list awards they did not win; we are literally counting losses. Lordtobi (✉) 06:15, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi Lordtobi, I thought we did but in case not. Hi. Good to meet you. Strange argument, but possibly valid. The reason I remove them, that for some time now up at coin, awards have been used to promote articles. They need to be notable, and have article. If they don't have an article, then don't go in. I'll look it out. scope_creep (talk) 11:29, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
We generally filter out user-voted awards (esque WP:USERG), but I recall jury-awarded accolades, as is the case here, should be fine. Might be somewhere in MOS:VG, and I can also take a scout when I find the time, but for now I'd appeal WP:OTHERSTUFF and say that several good and featured articles have such tables, so I don't necessarily see a problem. Lordtobi (✉) 11:51, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Life is Strange 2

Hey, I noticed you took down some of my stuff for Life is Strange, stating it’s not proven. If you pay some damn attention, you will see that there is PROOF of 5 episodes, first one being titled ROADS, and go online to search for episode 2’s SUSPECTED release date. Don’t remove stuff until you validate the info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TavagohCockrell (talk • contribs) 23:22, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi TavagohCockrell, as I outlined in my edit summary, we lack most information on all upcoming episodes but the total count. Thus, having a bunch of "TBA"s in the infobox is not aidful to the reader. This is why I removed the content in question. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 06:17, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

About Ubisoft

Hi Lordtobi. I would put the source for "Guillemot family (15.9%)" but it is a complete analysis of the company - and in continuous change - so I didn't see it as a usable source. Not beacause of poor reliability but just because of its "real time stock market analysis" nature. I talked about it also in Dontnod Entertainment talk. Lone Internaut (talk) 22:26, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Lone Internaut, as you already say, you fear that the source has poor reliability, and probably for good reason. If you, for example, compare the site's data for Ubisoft with that listed on their native stock exchange (Euronext) [expand the "+ SHAREHOLDERS" section], you see that the percentages differ, and not just by a decimal. As usual, in our cool WP:V style, it would probably be best to find reliable sources that state a fixed ownership which we can re-use. There should be plenty around the time Vivendi sold their share. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 07:07, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
I understand. You're right. Sorry the bother, see you around. Lone Internaut (talk) 08:05, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Lone Internaut, no problem at all, that's what I'm here for, isn't it? Anyhow, according to this source, in March 2018 the Guillemots had 18.5%, Tencent 5%, The Ontario Teachers Pension 3.4% and Ubisoft itself 8.1%. If you wish you can also add those to the article; when I find the time I can also go look for a more recent source. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 08:16, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
You're right again. Anyway  Done. It Should be ok, now, I think. Just wanted to say that on CD Projekt the same website it's used for Piotr Nielubowicz and, it seems, Iwinski and Kicinski percentage. Given the fact that it is a good article, that could be a problem, if the website is not reliable or inadequate to use given its nature as I was saying. Don't know what to think. Lone Internaut (talk) 00:07, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Edward W. Stack

Thank you for keeping an eye on the Vox Media article. I will be sharing some additional requests for the article soon. In the meantime, I've submitted an edit request to implement an improved draft for the Edward W. Stack article here: Talk:Edward W. Stack. Since you helped with the Dick's Sporting Goods article, I wonder if you might be willing to review this short draft, too? Inkian Jason (talk) 18:40, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Inkian Jason, I didn't get the ping for whatever reason. I'll take a look at it at a later point. Lordtobi (✉) 19:02, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
I've noticed pings don't always work, or editors turn them off, hence the talk page note. Thank you! Inkian Jason (talk) 19:03, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Did you know that pings work only when signed? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:00, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Mit Fried und Freud

Sorry, I don't agree. Bach wrote about fourty chorale cantatas on hymns. All have in common that the first line is the same in hymn and cantata. Are you suggesting we should write a hat note for all? Buxtehude also wrote a work with the same beginning, - perhaps really make a disambiguation instead of a hatnote, perhaps combined with one for Nunc dimittis? I find hatnotes distracting, sorry. I know that Bach's cantata is a featured article because I wrote it, and I just made up my mind to make the hymn another one ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:11, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, I wasn't aware there were more than three pieces (two are mentioned in the given article, and then there's the article itself), so yes, a disambiguation page would make perfect sense. Do you have an overview over all [notable] works in question? Mit Fried und Freud or Mit Fried und Freud (disambiguation) would appear as a likely target for the page. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 13:51, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
I'd make them part of Nunc dimittis (disambiguation), because it's just a German version of the canticle (which is one of 3 New Testament canticles, so no wonder it's set to music often). German, Latin, English, - it's a no-end topic. Good luck ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt, I created the page in question, please review whether it includes all relevant pieces available on Wikipedia. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 16:34, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
I looked and changed a bit. The English composers set the text in English: "Lord, now lettest Thou Thy servant depart in peace". Worth mentioning? I couldn't detect a sort. Perhaps by year within a group? - Thank you for making the effort! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:46, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt, I envisioned the sorting as significance, then alphabetical (e.g. same-names first, then individual settings, then lists). I also see you edited the introduction; I took example from Mercury, which is presented in the guidelines (especially the "... may [also] refer to:" part). Lastly, we could possibly add an English translation in parenthesis inside the introduction, whether a translation of the entire first line is necessary I leave up to you, as you are more familiar with the topic. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 16:52, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Edit the intro - back, but don't leave a colon before the TOC ;) - We'd need full translation because Nunc dimittis means only "Now dismiss", and peace is the keyword, which Luther put at the beginning ;) We could perhaps indent the works based on Luther's hymn? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:58, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt, sure! I had this in the original revision but didn't know if it was properly fit so I removed it. Feel free to edit it in again. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 17:00, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

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Warning icon Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add defamatory content, as you did at Zoe Quinn, you may be blocked from editing. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 15:26, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

To be specific, your edit summary in removing the word "falsely" was itself false and misleading; the array of reliable sources clearly describe how the accusations were false. Do not remove it again. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 15:38, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
NorthBySouthBaranof, I looked at several former revisions and the inclusion of the term was previously disputed. Nowhere was it made clear that the situation has changed in so far that its exclusion is disputed now. I was reverted and that was fine, so I do not see how a "defamatory content" (the follow-up sentence already explains that the accusations were false, so the omission of a duplicate statement is not defamatory) warning as well its rather high level of 3 (there was literally only one involved edit and no disruptive editing has been done) is fit here. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 15:55, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
It's been "disputed" by anonymous trolls for years, because there's a pile of anonymous trolls who hate Zoe Quinn. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 16:02, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
NorthBySouthBaranof, I can surely review whether I have a false memmory of what I read ealier today, but a seemingly minor edit to avoid duplication (after all, I'm mostly a copy-editor, and it was just one of many edits I made to the article) does not justify sticking me in the same bin as anonymous trolls or 'haters' and warrant a level-3 warning. The lack of assuming good faith here is concerning. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 16:11, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

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Helping an editor

I'm trying to help out a brand-new editor who was surprised at the reaction to some of their initial edits. I've already explained to them the need for references to published reliable sources. I am pleased to see that you are engaging in discussion with the editor making similar points.

However, while they didn't make this point, there is a question worth asking.in the article Occupy movement, the movement is described in the opening sentence as:

international progressive, socio-political movement

The editor had added "left wing", which you removed. I am happy explaining to the editor that such a description can't be the opinion of the editor, it must be supportable by published reliable sources, But if I make that point, the obvious question is why are the other three characterizations included without support? I do see some footnotes in the paragraph, but unless I missed something, none of those footnotes support any of those characterizations.

Also like to see some support for the claim that their aims are to "advance social and economic justice ...". I'm far from an expert on the organization but that doesn't match what I've read about them.--S Philbrick(Talk) 18:26, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Sphilbrick, to be completely honest, I'm not familiar with the topic either, given that I have never heard from it (I live on the other side of the globe). However, just from the looks of it, it's not appropriate. Maybe it should simply be cut down to "is a movement against ..." and the rest presented with sources. Lordtobi (✉) 22:19, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Re:Looking Glass

Hey! Thanks for the kind words. Back when I wrote the Looking Glass video games Featured Topic, there wasn't enough material to make an article about Mini Racers—it ultimately ended up as just an entry in the List of Looking Glass Studios video games article. Maybe that's changed since the old days, but I'm not familiar with any major new sources that have come to light about it. As for the main Looking Glass article, I appreciate the work you're doing on it, as (like you said) it's been in awful shape for a long while. In times past, I stayed away from trying to take it to Good or Featured status because of the amount of work involved: it would really dwarf articles like Flight Unlimited and Ultima Underworld in size and detail. The sources you mentioned seem to make things easier than in the old days, as they synthesize a lot of the material that I dug up while working on the individual game articles into a more streamlined narrative, but I'm still not sure I have it in me. I feel pretty comfortable with how far I took the Looking Glass coverage on Wikipedia, and unless something jeopardizes the FT down the line, the thought of returning to it doesn't grab me like it used to. Sorry! I wish you the best of luck if you plan to continue on the main Looking Glass page. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 00:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

JimmyBlackwing, seeing the list article I feel rather silly, given that there were many more games by LG that were cancelled and I didn't know of. My primary focus in the topic is now on the company article. You are pretty good at digging up old sources, and I see there are some on the talk page (that I haven't reviewed yet, though); so if you kept track of that while I wrote on the article, that'd be nice. Lordtobi (✉) 07:13, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
No worries. As for sources, I've nearly bled this topic dry in the individual game articles, to my knowledge. I can line up some of the stuff I've found already, though. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 07:41, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Done. Hope the article-writing process goes smoothly. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 08:14, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
JimmyBlackwing, thanks a lot! I've never really written a GA before, so might need some guidance. Currently I'm looking at Bullfrog Productions for a good example; does that sound plausible? Speaking of which, I've also considered nomiating my Rockstar San Diego article, but I fear it might not meet GA standards. Thoughts? Lordtobi (✉) 09:19, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Bullfrog looks like a decent structural reference point, although I'd shy away from the bulleted-list format it uses in the Legacy section. As for Rockstar San Diego, you've certainly put a lot of work into it, but I'm not familiar enough with the studio's history to say whether it's comprehensive. You might consider nominating it for peer review and/or pinging Indrian, who's one of WPVG's most knowledgeable members. I specialize in certain topics (especially Looking Glass), but Indrian's got an ultra-wide frame of reference that would most likely include this studio. If you get the go-ahead from Indrian or at peer review, you should be fine, as GAN is a much more relaxed process than FAC (which is too much for me these days). JimmyBlackwing (talk) 11:52, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

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This article - Wizarding World uses list defined references where the reference is defined in the References section. When removing content, or changing content or references, the reference must be removed from the reference list or commented out. After editing any references or article content, please use the Show preview button and check the Reference section for possible error messages, for example: Yates has announced he will direct all five films - Cite error: seen at the bottom of the reference section. For further information on WP:LDR - please see Help:List-defined references. Don't worry, it's a common mistake and I have fixed your cite error. Thanks. Isaidnoway (talk) 04:15, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Isaidnoway, thanks for the heads up. I made the edit rather hastily on my phone and didn't realize that all sources were list'defined. I'll make sure to check in the future. Lordtobi (✉) 11:54, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

More LGD Gaming issues

Requesting comments on the AfD for a recreated LGD Gaming article, as you had commented on the PSG.LGD talk page before. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:06, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Vox Media request

Hi, Lordtobi. I posted this request back on 11/13, but so far no editors have replied. I was wondering if you might have any feedback or suggestions for where to seek additional assistance? Inkian Jason (talk) 16:38, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Inkian Jason, thanks for the reminder. I'm currently short on time, but I will get back to you when I have the time. Lordtobi (✉) 17:57, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Inkian Jason (talk) 19:29, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

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Wizarding World

You broke the table and then you did something else so it cannot be simply reverted. Please fix your mistakes in the Wizarding World article. -- 109.77.231.46 (talk) 03:25, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

This edit specifically. -- 109.77.231.46 (talk) 03:26, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Full Sail University

Thank you for weighing in at Talk:Full_Sail_University#Request_to_revisit_student_population and updating the article. Might you have a moment to remove the stray text I mentioned, and update the article's infobox as well? Inkian Jason (talk) 17:34, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. By the way, I'm looking for someone to make two very straightforward edits to the Choice Hotels article:
  1. In the "Recent history" section, the first sentence says "... with the company removing its franchising from 600 properties that did not meet the Choice Hotels's new standards." This should be changed to "with the company removing its franchising from 600 properties that did not meet Choice Hotels' new standards" in order to be grammatically correct.
  2. In the same section, there's a stray "</nowiki>" tag after inline citations 29 and 30, which should be removed.

I've asked two editors about this (see talk page), but so far the article has not been updated. Would you happen to have a moment to make these two corrections? Thanks for your consideration. Inkian Jason (talk) 17:21, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Inkian Jason, corrected. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 08:23, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for helping here. Inkian Jason (talk) 16:08, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

MK11

This. I agree with the second sentence but the first one is unacceptable. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 13:00, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Harshrathod50, define "unacceptable". There is no strict guideline on the template's usage, but the common practice is to separate two entries that do not exceed one line by merely a comma, as hlist adds additional width. Avoid the template for such scenarios also creates uniformity across articles. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 13:14, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

I mean you're exaggerating uselessly, the dot of Hlist that separates entries is visually more good in an infobox when accessed on mobile web. There is no common practice. I haven't seen that till now. So what if Hlist creates a width? How does that affect anything? The list will warp usually as it does with commas if not fitting. Uniformity? Is there anything that is uniform here? I believe it is just you who wants that comma, so congratulations. Have it. Enjoy it. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 14:05, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Okay. Lordtobi (✉) 14:24, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
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Come hang out in the Discord. -- ferret (talk) 15:07, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Undid revision 872282707 on Fallout 76

Hi Lordtobi,

I have undone your revision 872282707 to Fallout 76 as per the discussion on the article talk page. I encourage you to raise points there in discussion. Quoting WP:USERG is not a justification for removing referenced content from an article. Aeonx (talk) 21:17, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

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Re: MK11 characters

Stop editing out the characters section, its annoying. Those characters are confirmed and can be already in their own section. --Skizzo (talk) 11:12, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

@Skizzo: As I already outlined, such additions are either not WP:GAMEGUIDE compliant or borderline trivial, something that belongs to MobyGames, not here. Please also make yourself familiar with our sourcing guidelines: WP:V, WP:RS. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 11:14, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

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Settlers

Can i ask why you removed my revision: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Settlers&diff=854361718&oldid=854361477

I would say it's relevant, it's a third party remake of the mentioned game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheIreheart (talk • contribs)

Because WP:ELOFFICIAL. The external links section contains links to official sites or other sites closely connected to the subject. Some fan remake is definetly not relevant and counts as promotional stunt. Lordtobi (✉) 06:15, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Grand Theft Auto revert =

From your recent editing history, you appear to be in the habit of throwing the baby out with the bath water and running rough-shod over other Wikipedia editors. Those are not good qualities to have. I suggest you take the time to study edits a bit more closely and understand their purpose before trampling on the work of others. — Quicksilver (Hydrargyrum)T @ 07:25, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Hydrargyrum, not to be rude, but most the changes you made were unnecessary, and partially, such as where WP:NOPIPE takes effect, also against Wikipolicy. "(disambiguation)" in a hatnote is required and enforced by a guideline I have forgotten the name of; a bot will eventually come around and fix it, but it shouldn't be removed to begin with. Then there also changes like the full stop added into "worldwide. but", which is part of a quote, and changing "accessdate" to "access-date" on literally all citations, a purely cosmetic change. Some of the changes, however, such as overlink reduction, cleaning up abbreviations and bypassing redirects on the left-hand of an existing pipe, were good changes. Since, as your edit summary claims, your edits were done by script, it'd be great if you could amend these scripts to cross out such issues. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 07:41, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Should we add Build a Rocket Boy's company logo to Leslie Benzies' page or Everywhere's page? It appears to be free of any copyright infringement as it's made available right here: https://www.buildarocketboy.com/presskit UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 23:18, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

UnknownAssassin1819, both pose as a suitable target, I suppose. However, the image would be non-free so we'd need to decide on one of them, and also respect the WP:NFCC limits, of course. I'd argue Everywhere is the likelier target, but I'll leave it up to you to decide. Eventually we'll have an article about the company and there the logo would move. Lordtobi (✉) 23:24, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for responding! I think the white logo should appear on Everywhere's page. If you check out BaRB's website, the main logo is white. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 01:35, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
Okay, I've uploaded the file and added it to Everywhere's page. If the file may appear too light for you, feel free to use the gray logo instead. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 01:48, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

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New fields on the video game infobox

Hello! Lordtobi. Can you please add new fields to the video game infobox. For example which media type the games were published in, which view(s) you get to see the game from and from which input device they came out with. --80.212.169.229 (talk) 11:31, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, but such fields have been used in the template years ago but were removed by consensus. I cannot simply overwrite this consensus, and thus the template will exclude those for the foreseeable future. If you think there is the slightest chance of getting them back in there, please go to the template's talk page and reach consensus. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 12:14, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Publishers in game infobox

I notice you removed some publishers from the Shenmue III infobox without leaving an edit summary. I added the publishers recently but wasn't sure if we're only meant to list the main publisher, or first publisher, or something, and couldn't find any guidance. Do you know what the deal is? (And merry Christmas!) Popcornduff (talk) 11:01, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Popcornduff, merry Christmas to you too! Our guidelines say that the infobox only includes the publisher and release dates for the NA and PAL regions as well as the developer's region, so we exclude the Chinese publisher here. Furthermore, Shibuya and Sony are not involved with the game's publishing, per the source used in the article, Cedric Biscay of Shibuya is a co-producer and Sony provides "various supports, including marketing and investment, to YSNet". Lordtobi (✉) 11:13, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for that. Just so I know in future, where can I find those guidelines? I did search around but must have got lost. Popcornduff (talk) 11:16, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
Popcornduff, WP:VG/DATE has the exact wording in regards to dates and has once been decided by discussion that publishers apply to the same (I might need to dwell through WTVG's talk archives to find that. Further guidelines are also presented in Template:Infobox video game. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 11:37, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
Great, that's what I needed. Thanks for your help and happy holidays. Popcornduff (talk) 11:41, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

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2K Marin

I just want to be sure, once 2K's new BioShock studio is announced, we'll replace 2K Marin with that studio, yes? UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 12:00, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

UnknownAssassin1819, if that's in sources, sure. Otherwise, probably not. I would have said 2K Marin closed in 2013, but Strauss Zelnick defied this logic, so we need to keep it in this uncertain state. Lordtobi (✉) 12:02, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
But if there really is a brand new 2K studio developing a new BioShock, that could only mean 2K Marin is dead, since Zelnick said 2K Marin would be continuing the series. Just like 2K Czech's Prague studio, it had been temporarily shuttered, but has been replaced with a new studio. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 15:40, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

 

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