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PBA Tour Bowling 2 sources

Hi! Do you see any more sources for this game? I've searched high and low here. I found this [1], maybe there are some interviews out there. Timur9008 (talk) 08:58, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I couldn't find anything you haven't already used. Even the MobyGames review tab is quite dire. IceWelder [✉] 10:25, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for checking either way! Timur9008 (talk) 06:23, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Belated thanks

Hi, you were a big part of Eidos Interactive getting GA status. But I did not mention you on the talk page at the time, so a belated thank you from me (I am not great a communicating). The credit is equally yours, regards IgelRM (talk) 01:16, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't dare take that much credit! Even though it was on my backlog for quite some time, I only ever got around to writing a very small part of the article. I'm glad someone came around to get it into a proper state. IceWelder [✉] 10:35, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

openbor notability

for openbor or any other engine with large active modder and userbase, is notability always based on mainstream media coverage? googling openbor and seeing reddit and forum results as well as Emulation General Wiki article shows it is rather famous and active. which media coverage for open source engines count as notable? going through other engines in template might show less famous engines with no mainstream coverage. Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot (talk) 17:46, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Notability (WP:N) comes from significant coverage in reliable sources (WP:RS). Reddit posts and wikis do not count as reliable sources, for example. Most game-tailored open-source engines tend to be niche in the wider gaming world. OpenBOR is such an engine, I couldn't find any significant material, much less independent from the game project it belongs to, hence no article should exist. This is furthered into its exclusion from the navigation template. If every open source engine was on that list, it would be far, far to long. IceWelder [✉] 18:36, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Edit request for DICK's Sporting Goods.

Hi. I am working to update the Dick's Sporting Goods page. You have made significant contributions to the page over the years, so I hope you will consider implementing the edit request I posted at Talk:Dick's Sporting Goods. Thank you, Amanda144 (talk) 14:45, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't really have the time for such projects at the moment. Plus, I only ever touched that article to assist a paid editor who I had already been helping out with a couple others -- and that was more than five years ago. I normally would have suggested tagging the paid edit request as such, but it looks like this has already been done. The queue is not that long and someone with the time and energy to review it will likely do so in due time. IceWelder [✉] 21:52, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

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343 industries

Apologies for the edit mistake on their page, I have dyslexia and I didn’t notice it. But I feel that their mention should be expanded a bit and reworded better. Is that alright if I alter it a bit? Firekong1 (talk) 22:50, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

No need to apologize; everyone makes mistakes! If you would like to improve the wording of the article, go ahead. IceWelder [✉] 23:19, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I’ll get to it! Firekong1 (talk) 16:31, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Tonic Trouble edit reversion

Hi, earlier this week you removed my citation concerning the UK release date for Tonic Trouble for the Game Boy Color. However, this source comes from a prominent retailer, which The Northern Echo themselves called "Britain's biggest independent video games retailer". Could this viably qualify as a good enough source to add to the article under this basis? Venky64 (talk) 23:30, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

The size of the retailer alone should not be the basis for the accuracy of its release dates. I spot-checked a few and found inaccuracies for at least Armored Core 2 ([2]), which Chips claims was almost two months after the release date stated by Eurogamer. Furthermore, even if the date is correct, it might simply be the one on which this retailer received the game, not the wider region. Please run the site by WT:VG/RS first. If consensus says that the dates are fine, I would have no issue restoring the date for Tonic Trouble. IceWelder [✉] 07:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Tomb Raider III marketing budget

Hi! According to this [3] the marketing budget for Tomb Raider III was £10m. Can this be used? I've never heard of this site before. Timur9008 (talk) 08:34, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Never heard of that site either. No staff, no sources, no policies; doesn't really inspire any confidence. Looking up the company (Durlacher Research) doesn't yield anything significant. You can pass it by the project if you feel like it, but I probably wouldn't use it. IceWelder [✉] 10:46, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

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Diablo 2: Resurrected sales figures

Hi! Sorry for the double topic but according to this [4] Diablo 2: Resurrected sold 5 million copies. The articles cites a press release that I can't find. Was wondering if you come across this press release. Timur9008 (talk) 07:59, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

It may be that this PR was only circulated via email; Bethesda/ZeniMax did the same with its more recent acquisitions. IceWelder [✉] 08:38, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Ah. So this source can't be used? Timur9008 (talk) 08:58, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

If the source reporting on this statement is reliable, I see no problem in using it. I've also seen the claim repeated (presumably independently) in other reliable sources. IceWelder [✉] 09:01, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I won't use it then. All other sources seem to cite the Windows Central article and Windows Central as a source is used on only 31 articles on Wikipedia. Timur9008 (talk) 09:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Windows Central is considered reliable according to WP:VG/RS#Other reliable. IceWelder [✉] 09:23, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done added. Wasn't aware it was discussed. Timur9008 (talk) 09:33, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Yodo1

Hi IceWelder. Great work on games-related articles. Please consider add Yodo1 in your watchlist. A lot of COI/UPE editing going on. Cheers! 94.202.127.250 (talk) 10:51, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Looking over the added text, it mostly looks fine, and most sources qualify as reliable per our list. What made you think of UPE exactly? If there are minor NPOV issues, it's usually better to fix those manually than reverting the lot. IceWelder [✉] 15:11, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Westlake Interactive + one other thing

Hi! 1) Do you see any more sources for this? I know the page was previously deleted. Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2017_May_14#Westlake_Interactive

I found these

• https://web.archive.org/web/20000824155449/http://www.insidemacgames.com/features/00/westlake/p3.shtml
• https://www.newspapers.com/article/austin-american-statesman/140439025/

+ the officiall site

2) I found this source [5] (which also includes text from one of the Bethesda press releases that weren't archived :O) Was wondering cau help incorporate this source in the Bethesda Softworks article in Bethesda_Softworks#1990s section (so we can remove the "needs expansion with: Information regarding Daggerfall's launch" template) Timur9008 (talk) 11:41, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

1. Some trivial mentions per WP:VG/SE, though nothing significant.
2. That's very cool, but I'm rather short on time at the moment. Feel free to just add some text yourself. :)

IceWelder [✉] 15:06, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

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Kybos

Hi! Do you know what this is? [6]. I think it's Vortex (Amiga video game) given the year but I can't be sure. Timur9008 (talk) 11:05, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

It sure sounds like it, but the details there are quite limited and the platforms don't match. I couldn't immediately find anything else that mentions this name, though granted I cannot invest a lot time at the moment. IceWelder [✉] 13:02, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Well I checked but yeah I found nothing else Timur9008 (talk) 15:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

e-Nexus Studios/ZeniMax Productions foundation date URL

Hi! Do you any way to add the exact URL for this ? Its's mentioned here (per the California Secretary of State website business search, if you type ZeniMax four results show up) among them is ZeniMax Productions. [7]

I was gonna add that to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZeniMax_Media#Defunct (to e-Nexus Studios) Timur9008 (talk) 10:36, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

As far as I know, there is no way to do this. What you could do, for example, is to link the PDF document for the incorporation. However, I generally advise against using incorporation dates for foundation dates because many sources consider the start of the business as the founding date, i.e. when you start trading, which does not always match the incorporation date that is merely the legal step. IceWelder [✉] 11:30, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

ah, nevermind then. Timur9008 (talk) 11:57, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Finding Nemo game sales

Hi! Do you know what this talks about? [8] (the 7 million figure) I think it means just the original game but I guess it could mean that and the sequel (Finding Nemo: The Continuing Adventure given the "The Finding Nemo video games have been a tremendous hit for THQ at retail? Timur9008 (talk) 17:28, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

? Timur9008 (talk) 11:34, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Huh, I firmly believed that I already responded to this. Maybe it was a dream? Anyway, the press release seems to only talk about the very first game and makes no mention of The Continuing Adventure, so I'd think the figure only relates to one. IceWelder [✉] 11:46, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done added. Thanks! Timur9008 (talk) 15:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

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Usage of ™

I don't mean to be rude, but the Manual of Style states that ™ and ® should not be used in either article text or citations unless excluding them removes essential context information. Given that citations include references and their titles, and knowing that the Wii brand is trademarked is not essential context information, may I remove it? CoolieCoolster (talk) 13:52, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Reading the guideline more closely, it does indeed say that they should be removed, explicitly, from citation titles. This just happenes to have happened around the same time as the MOS:TITLETYPOCON discussion, about fixing errors in citations, with many reservations about possible preservation issues. I'm wondering whether trademark symbols have the same kind of impact. IceWelder [✉] 14:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

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Riot Client

Hey, I thought I would add the Riot Client, as it adds information about Riot Games and how they operate, if that's not the right place to add that, could you maybe make something about the Riot Client somewhere, as it helps people know what games require the Riot Client and which games don't. StarStorm10 (talk) 21:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't exactly a guide for software requirements. If the Riot Client was notable, and I highly doubt that it is, a list of supported games could be featured there. The Riot Games article focuses on the company's works, and we don't want Leagoe of Legends and Valorant to appear in three separate tables. IceWelder [✉] 10:29, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Yeah I get that, but it would be a nice feature to add if possible, similar to battle.net, could you maybe try and add it somewhere within that article or another linked article, that information could be useful for people. StarStorm10 (talk) 21:10, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

I will help in any way possible buddy!! StarStorm10 (talk) 21:12, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Maybe add next to the games, if its supported on the Riot Client? StarStorm10 (talk) 00:36, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't think we need anything in this regard. We don't have a list of Ubisoft Connect games, EA Play games, etc. If Riot Client and Riot ID are not notable, we shouldn't artificially push it. You can always open a discussion on the compnay's talk page if you feel strongly about it. IceWelder [✉] 05:44, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I see it similar to battle.net, we have a list of games that are supported on battle.net, I just thought It would be valuable information as this is a Wikipedia after all, notable can be subjective to the opinion, I think It's notable because to play the listed games, the Riot Client and Riot ID is required, to the Ubisoft Connect games etc, maybe we should look to add that to the articles? I never make arguments, and I don't want to start now, but why do you keep deleting the work I'm putting in, its really annoying, at least try and meet me halfway here, and please try and add that information to the articles in a way you see fit. (I mean maybe I should create an article regarding the Riot Client in a different page?? what would you recommend me doing, as yes I do feel strongly about this, and would love the information to be there for everyone. StarStorm10 (talk) 11:23, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

can we add a article for the Riot Client like we have for Battle.net or Ubisoft Connect?

would you help me with that? StarStorm10 (talk) 11:38, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't think Battle.net should have a games list either, but see also WP:OSE. Wikipedia is not a technical requirements list either. There aren't nearly enough reliable secondary sources to warrant a separate article for the client (WP:GNG, etc.), so it is not "notable" in that sense. Again, if you want to seek a third opinion, please open a discussion on the article's talk page or the broader video game board. IceWelder [✉] 11:45, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

but what harm can be done in having next to the games, (notes: Riot Client and Riot ID) StarStorm10 (talk) 11:49, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I believe it is unnecessary bloat. Next, there would be a column for which games use Vanguard, then which contain microtransactions. IceWelder [✉] 11:52, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

ok.. I will leave it to you then, I don't know what else to do, I just thought it would be useful information to have a note beside the games of which support the Client. StarStorm10 (talk) 11:58, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I mean, I did tell you where you could find additional opinions... IceWelder [✉] 12:00, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

to be fair, your probably right, I just thought it would be nice to have a note next to the games that support the Client, idk... StarStorm10 (talk) 12:07, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

NextEra Energy edits and possible edit request fix

Hi IceWelder, I saw that you recently made a couple of cleanup edits to the NextEra Energy article. I had a request that I think will address one of the tags you left, if you had any interest in reviewing it. I'd really appreciate it if you would take a look! NextEraMatt (talk) 15:14, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @NextEraMatt. My single edit to NextEra Energy was part of a semi-automated process (using AWB) of disambiguating EQT AB and EQT Corporation. To clarify: I didn't leave any new tags, rather AWB automatically implemented a bypass of the redirect from {{verify inline}} to {{verify source}}. Since energy companies aren't my area of expertise, I'd rather not make significant edits to the NextEra Energy article. I can see that your request is already enqueued in the review line, so it should be reviewed by an interested party at some point. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 16:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Got it, appreciate the clarification! Thanks for the quick response. NextEraMatt (talk) 19:12, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the game article changes you undid

It doesn't make sense if he

ie couldn't buy a of the game; like he couldn't afford it? The following sentence also mentions him acquiring the rights to the game. copy KanyeWestSide (talk) 23:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

I think that section is quite clear. He wanted to play the game but his physical copy didn't work and he couldn't find it for purchase anywhere online (it being abandonware). He then got the idea of working with the rightsholder to re-release the game on digital stores, which took several months but ultimately worked out. IceWelder [✉] 23:10, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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Query

Hi! I am new to Wikipedia, so yeah I am unaware of many policies of Wikipedia. Please tell why only lead composers are mentioned? Doesn't this make Wikipedia's information incomplete? I also saw the same thing happening on the page, Pokémon Sword and Shield. Please tell. Amogh Tripathi (talk) 18:38, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Please see the documentation for the infobox. The credits fields are captioned with "Add the following credit fields for lead developers" (emphasis added). This has also been the common practice for quite some time. IceWelder [✉] 18:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. Amogh Tripathi (talk) 13:25, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hi! Do you know how much 6 billion Won is? Mentioned here [9] (in Korean)

I'm going to add that to the Cubix page but I want to be sure. Timur9008 (talk) 07:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

You can look up historical currency converters online; for example, this one returns just over 4.5 million USD. But you really only need to state the native figure, ideally with the {{SK won}} template. IceWelder [✉] 10:30, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! The reason I ask because its for the List of most expensive television series article which I'm in the process of expanding. Timur9008 (talk) 10:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

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Re: Gale Archive

Hi! For some reason it won't let me archive the Bethesda Press Releases. Do you know why that is? I tried The 10th Planet one but it says "Suspicious Activity Detected" Timur9008 (talk) 15:36, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

I was able to archive one yesterday by first resolving the redirect (link.gale.com) to the target link (go.gale.com) and then saving that one. Not sure about the suspicious activity warning, perhaps you were trying too often too quickly and Gale temporarily blocked Wayback's access? IceWelder [✉] 08:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Still doesn't work for some reason. I've put the Press Releases on the Bethesda Softworks talk page. Can you archive them? Timur9008 (talk) 10:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Should be all backed up. What problem do you have with the archiving process? I use the official browser extension (here, left under "Tools") and so far had little to no issues. IceWelder [✉] 00:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! It worked now. Not sure what the problem was.

I've also noticed the Flashpoint Productions press release isn't at the Gale site. Timur9008 (talk) 03:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Here is the archive [10]

But when I tried to add it as a refidea it says Unknown parameter |A18832890&v= ignored Timur9008 (talk) 03:50, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

The ID query parameter in the URL always looks like &id=GALE|A... and | will be interpreted as the beginning of a new citation template paramter. If you use the URL as you find it at the archived link, where | is encoded as %7C, it should work. IceWelder [✉] 09:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done Thanks! :) Timur9008 (talk) 15:20, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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IceWelder, Can You Help Me?

Hi IceWelder,

I’m currently addressing the issues related to the approval of my article and am in the process of adding a relevant link. Could you please let me know why the article has not been approved? I would appreciate any guidance you can provide.

Thank you.

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• I'm sorry, but you're spamming your personal blog onto multiple Wikipedia articles. Why would you expect that your blog would be considered a reliable source? IceWelder [✉] 17:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

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Would like to apologize for the bad edit to Apogee Entertainment article.

Firstly, I am still trying to get accustomed to the right way to go about things on Wikipedia. When the table said "Year", I took that to mean the year the game started selling coppies, reguardless of platform specific features/tags given to games.

Secondly, the reason I wanted to do this is because I wanted to contribute more information about Below The Stone, since no other information exists, but I also wanted to do that in a way that was as minimally altering as possible (So not creating a brand new table for "beta access year" or somthing like that. Because ultimately, my notion was that if I made a big change, it would be almost likely reverted, verses a smaller change. Basically, I was just trying to do the right thing and avoid getting bonked in the head by a moderator or somthing.

With that being said, I would like to contribute more information about either Below The Stone or it's developer (Strollart), in any form that is appropriate. I believe there are many sources and articles out there that talk about them, I just don't know the full extents of what is good and bad when it comes to adding information, and prooving it's validity with other web articles.

But I am totally willing to take some time to collect a bunch of sources that would help justify either adding new info about Below The Stone to existing pages, or having a new page be made for it or Strollart.

Lastly, for the sake of transparency, I should say that I am the lead programmer of Below The Stone. So I'm not just some other random person, and from my position, I know that many other game journalists have written about us. So I believe that more information about the game can be added. I just want to make sure I'm not doing anything wrong and getting in trouble for trying to contibute.

I know you are probably very busy, but it would be nice to talk about this more.

But thank you for your time. Andrew900460 (talk) 00:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

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Atari SA title

Speaking of Atari SA, I am thinking that maybe it'd be better to have the title as Atari Group? According to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (companies) there shouldn't be a company suffix unless there has to be. But it seems "Atari Group" is actually a valid name as they use it on their own site and press releases (hence making it the "public" name) and you've got reliable sources (I've found Reuters, FT, CNBC, PocketGamer) having used the Group name in news articles - and even French articles use its equivalent "Groupe Atari". The intro could start like TUI Group is by having the legal name and then "known as". What do you think? Sceeegt (talk) 20:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I can't see evidence that "Atari Group" is the overwhelming WP:COMMONNAME as opposed to just "Atari" (which then needs to be disambiguated), nor is it a frequent appearance on the company's website. It's also not clear whether they are trying to use "Atari Group" to refer to all companies in the structure, not just the head org in France. I'd keep it as-is for now, even if the situation around the many Ataris isn't ideal. The TUI Group examples isn't exactly comparable, as that name appears everywhere on its website. IceWelder [✉] 20:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Fair. I've been trying to find ways to improve the situation of having so many Ataris and making them easier to understand. However there is actually one 'Atari' article that we're better off without - I've actually written a post about this and would appreciate your input and opinion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#About Atari. Sceeegt (talk) 20:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Saber Interactive studio

Source I removed was basically a journalist making a claim that game was developed by supposedly St. Petersburg department of the Saber Interactive. However there are two arguments to consider:

1. There is no adequate proof neither of existense of such department as separate entity nor of whether development of the game per-se can be attributet specifically to it.

2. Even if there was some source for existence of department and it's activity - "developer" is defined legal term in the industry and developer of Space Marine 2 in every media and legal source is marked as "Saber interactive" including the website of company itself.

Thus I consider it unreasonable and confusing for people to mark "Saber St. Peterburg" as developer. Now - the information added by SpaceRefugee is better redirected to the develoment process category on the page of the game itself.

Sounds agreeable? Chugheister (talk) 15:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

There is no legal aspect here, no. If the studio is formally known by a separate name, it is appropriate to list it, and the article already does so several times. It is pretty much guaranteed to be a separate legal entity as well, since it operates in a different country from the parent.

As for the source, while I'm not sure whether the site is reliable, i states, quite clearly, that said studio was the lead developer of the game.

If you believe the naming is an error, you should discuss this on the article's talk page and with the user who added these names to have a better forum. IceWelder [✉] 18:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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Ha! I'll have you know that you're responsible for me even picking up this work. All I wanted to do was check whether your edit was correct, but those newspaper clippings simply had too much good info that I didn't want to let go to waste. One thing led to another and the article somehow grew fourfold. Also, can you believe this was already two years ago? Times flies! IceWelder [✉] 18:19, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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Reverting vandalism should not be considered an edit war. IceWelder [✉] 17:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hi! Do you which NCAA Basketball: Road to the Final Four game is this talking about? [11] Timur9008 (talk) 10:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Also how much is €4 billion is in dollars since the Assassin’s Creed Franchise generated that amount in the last decade per [12]. I'm gonna add that to the Assassin’s Creed main article. Timur9008 (talk) 11:19, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

? Timur9008 (talk) 08:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Oops, sorry about that. Based on the timing, I'd assume it's the second NCAA game. For Assassin's Creed, stating the Euro value should suffice. It's made by a French company so I see no good reason to force in USD. IceWelder [✉] 09:00, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! :) Forgot to mention but The Assasins's Creed USD amount is for List of highest-grossing media franchises page. Timur9008 (talk) 09:06, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

{{To USD}} could be useful for that. IceWelder [✉] 11:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks! Timur9008 (talk) 08:36, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

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Mindscape

Long time no see, IceWelder. I've got a question to ask you, and that involves the Mindscape page. I was thinking that the page could be split up between the original company, and the French company that adorned the name after they purchased the international assets; as they are not the same business and overall it's just confusing on what the infobox is trying to say as the original US company was folded under The Learning Company itself after the Mattel purchase. What would you say? Luigitehplumber (talk) 04:37, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

I do not really have a strong opinion, but it does appear like a reasonable move. The only fear I have is that the French-led Mindscape is not super notable and a lot of gaps in how it was founded and disestablished would require original research to fill. IceWelder [✉] 08:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

That’s the thing I was thinking up when I expanded the page, especially as it was hard for me to try and find most of the information; mainly as I could only find most of it in French, and the fact I needed the help from other Wikipedias to find the links. So for now, we'll let the split aside until more information can be found, but I might list down that Mindscape is the name of two different companies, or something like that. Luigitehplumber (talk) 13:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Additional refs for Bethesda Softworks Question

Hi! :)

Are one of these refs anyway usable to add to the main Bethesda Softworks article? (This is after 2 years of searching and quite frankly I'm tired but I will keep going)

• https://web.archive.org/web/20010709071758/http://content.techweb.com/investor/quotes/profile?id=53026 (company profile)
• https://web.archive.org/web/20000820221810/http://www.gamestats.com/news_pc/941756571.shtml (Pete Hines joined date)
• https://web.archive.org/web/19970223025603/http://www.allaboutgames.com:80/10thplanet
• https://web.archive.org/web/20000119030941/http://www.m0use.net:80/~skelm/page.cgi?Coming/Morrowind/Interviews&inter2.html&morro.gif
• https://web.archive.org/web/20000116105252/http://www.m0use.net/~skelm/index.cgi
• https://web.archive.org/web/19991113234518/http://zippawurm.8m.com/bio.htm
• https://web.archive.org/web/19991009140205/http://zippawurm.8m.com:80/pba.htm
• https://web.archive.org/web/20000118213209/http://www.m0use.net/~skelm/index.cgi?oldnews
• https://web.archive.org/web/20000517013157/http://www.m0use.net/~darius/scripts/archiveReader.cgi?3
• https://web.archive.org/web/19980611120529/http://www.imonkey.com/CGCD/inc-b.htm#bethesda (company profile)
• https://web.archive.org/web/19980120054357/http://allgames.com:80/bethesda.htm (company profile)
• https://web.archive.org/web/20010219105948/http://www.breakawaygames.com/team.htm (Ed Fletcher photo)
• https://web.archive.org/web/20060308022838/http://www.gamershell.com/companies/bethesda/ (Other Bethesda published titles?, Hidden Invasion + others)
• https://web.archive.org/web/20210717025135/https://twitter.com/BlackBirdCD/status/1416229025324830723 (Former Bethesda concept artist Christopher Doll comments regarding the game Xcar)

Timur9008 (talk) 14:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

GamersHell is listed as unreliable at WP:VG/RS; the m0use.net and 8m ones look like personal homepages, and Twitter is Twitter with the usual issues to consider. TechWeb and GameStats may be reliable, although I don't see much information to be gained there. Perhaps consider listing websites like these individually at WT:VG/RS instead of just seeking my opinion. Also, the photo for Fletcher is cool but likely can't be uploaded under WP:NFCC, assmung he is currently alive. IceWelder [✉] 20:34, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Can this be used in the Weaver page? (date of birth) [13] Timur9008 (talk) 13:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't see why not. IceWelder [✉] 20:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Went ahead and added it. Just wasn't sure about the source. Timur9008 (talk) 09:41, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Rocksteady Studios

Persistent vandalism? simply added information supported by reliable sources such as Bloomberg. The latest game is a failure, a costly $200 million failure, Bloomberg also clearly states in the article. and the reasons for this failure were also highlighted but you and someone else say that it is vandalism. When Warner Bros closes the company you will continue to say it is vandalism. And I think I'm a huge fan of Rocksteady Studios, and it was a great studio. Unfortunately the situation with the latest game is a total disaster. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.20.123.34 (talk) 20:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I noted at least once that you were adding content that was not only worded inappropriatly for an encyclopedia, it also clearly made up information that the adjacent sources did not present. Let's look at it in detail:

• As November 2024, Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League has had very few sales and very few players, and is sold at very low prices in a desperate search for an audience and players to justify the costs of maintaining the active servers for Warner Bros. Games.

  • The source is the game's Steam page, which only shows that the game is out, costs $70, and has mixed reviews. It does not show that it "had very few sales and very few players", nor that it "is sold at very low prices in a desperate search for an audience and players to justify the costs of maintaining the active servers". Additionallu, even if the price was greatly reduced recently, wording it as "a desperate search for an audience and players" runs foul of neutral wording guidelines.

• Losses of $200 million are estimated, which could jeopardize the financial stability of Warner Bros. Games and seal the fate of Rocksteady Studios, a studio that was clearly famous and successful until the development of Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League.

  • The source is a Bloomberg article, which does report that the game lost $200 million dollars, yet it does not report that WB Games would be financially unstable as result (and it wouldn't be by itself, as it is part of a much larger organization that had profits in the billions last financial year). The source also doesn't report that the game's commercial failure could "seal the fate of Rocksteady Studios". Quite the opposite, the article's author quotes WB Games's director as saying that "job cuts at Rocksteady wouldn't make sense". Making facts up and pretending that the source you claim to cite supports this extends beyond synthesis and original research into speculation, which you can probably guess Wikipedia does not seek to present.

• The reasons for this failure are attributable to the long years of development, 7 years, to an unjustified increase in costs and to a late release at the beginning of 2024, when the public was already tired of long gaming sessions played during the COVID-19 pandemic and also to the tiredness of the type of game.

  • The source is IGN's review for the game, which supports not a single claim being made here, perhaps safe for the review's author arguing that "the looter-shooter mechanics are tired and dull". You made up the entire paragraph and pretended to cite a source for it. This also leads me to assume that it is you considers the cost increase "unjustified".

It is unfortunate that you chose to ignore the guidelines I cited and opted to revert perpetually. Without following standard practices and engaging in a discussion about the inclusion of your writing, you led to the page being locked. From what I stated then to what I detailed above, I would indeed consider your additions inappropriate editing, regardless of the studio's status. The article may not be in an ideal state at the moment, and the losses the game produced (and many other details currently missing) could probably be mentioned somewhere, but writing up an opinion piece and poorly attempting to disguise it as encyclopedic content is not the solution to that. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 21:08, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Cybermania

I was thinking about Cybermania since the game awards wrapped up this year. Do you mind if I nominate it for GAN? I think it has a shot. Though if you would want to you can since you put a lot of work into it. GamerPro64 17:30, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

The article was originally just cleanup work that escalated bit, so I didn't really think to nominate it. But you're right, giving it that tiny green plus is a decent idea. I'm nominating the article as we speak! IceWelder [✉] 18:53, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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Hello! I recently submitted the page Gjergj Thopia as a Great Article Nominee. I was just wondering if you could take a look at the page before someone actually starts the process. I just wanna know if it looks alright from another set of eyes. Since you helped on the Durrës Expedition article. Thank you! Arberian2444 (talk) 20:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Albanian history isn't exactly my strong suit, and the article is a tad larger than Durrës Expedition. I can give it a read, sure, but I'd recommend getting a second opinion from someone who works that area more frequently. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 18:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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Warp (company) deletion/move

Hello, it seems Warp has been moved to From Yellow To Orange and its page is now a redirect. However, the latter page is missing nearly all of the info that was present in the former. I think this change should either be reverted, or the articles should be merged properly, because as it currently stands, this is an awful change. Somewhatviable (talk) 20:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Looked like a double-move error where the intermediary redirect was not fixed and instead replaced by another stub. I fixed the redirect. IceWelder [✉] 20:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)