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Page move vandalism

Hello, Ian,

User:Energy From Fusion just moved a long-standing article, Fusion power, from main space to a MediaWiki talk page. I've seen this in the past when students want to move their own draft to the main space under that title. I've posted a vandalism warning because this was not some obscure article but an important article that has existed on the project since 2002. I have move protected the article but, if you could, please have a word with the editor or instructor. The only reason I came across this move is that it left a cross-namespace redirect that showed up in a Quarry query. Thank you. Liz ^Read! Talk! 03:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh. Thanks Liz. I will do that.

MediaWiki talk:Fusion power of all things? Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, Ian. I'm starting to see a lot of student drafts that the editor is trying to move into main space. I run a Quarry query that finds User pages for non-existent users and these student editors typically think they are moving their work into the main space but they forget to change the namespace from "User" to "Article" so I'm coming across pages like User:Buxton Inn. This makes them easy to find and move to Draft space but it's gone from 0 pages to 6 today and I'm afraid it is only going to increase as we near the end of the term. I even had one student editor do this twice so I left them a message on their User talk page. I'm just worried that a less conscientious editor will just tag them for deletion.

I know I've brought this issue up before but the instructors really have to emphasize that students don't need to "publish" their coursework (some say "go live") to get a good grade. I'm afraid that we'll be seeing some of these drafts at AFD soon. If I notice these page moves are happening with a particular course, I'll let you know. By the way, I went to the User talk pages for two different Wiki Ed people who posted welcome messages on these students' user talk page and neither of them had logged on in quite a few days. I don't know if you guys are volunteers or are employed by WMF but we probably need your help more towards the end of the term than the beginning. Many thanks for the work you. Liz ^Read! Talk! 03:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statistics dashboard late update

Hi Ian! I have a question regarding the contribution statistics dashboard. I've been adding more than 8 references and words to the article, but it hasn't been updated since my first edit. Why does this happen? My professor won't be able to see the exact progress of my article if it isn't updated. Example I cited 12 references and only appears 8. Arianaguila15 (talk) 01:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Arianaguila15 - it looks like you've been editing on your user page. The Dashboard doesn't track edits to your userpage. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:06, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've been also adding to the article User-generated content, I have so far 13 sources. Can you review the article edits to see my edits, please? Arianaguila15 (talk) 16:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Arianaguila15 I think I've figured out the problem. The Dashboard should update soon. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Ian. Yes, it's already updated! Arianaguila15 (talk) 14:50, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Publish Changes Button not Working

Hello!

Every time that I have gone to use the publish changes button on the slender-billed vulture page after making my edits to the page, the top bar that shows the loading just loads forever and it never publishes. I can still edit the summary for some reason, but I can't exit out of it either to get back to the page. The only way out of it is to reload the page which deletes anything I added. What should I do? Thatcrypticrobyn (talk) 21:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind! I believe I have figured it out- but I do have a question as to if there is an easy way to transfer the references from the sandbox to the actual article, as I had to manually make several of them so if I do not need to remake them that would be ideal. Thatcrypticrobyn (talk) 22:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Thatcrypticrobyn! To copy over the sources, make sure that you have both pages in edit mode, then copy/paste the sourcing over. This will allow you to transfer over the formatting for the sources. If you're copying it over into a template or table that can be more complicated, so with those it may be easier to create the sources anew sometimes.

I hope that helps! (And hi Ian! I hope everything is going OK!) ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 19:20, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @ReaderofthePack! It's good to see you! Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Student COI issue

Is [1] a COI policy violation by one of your students? They edited the article of a med school they appear to be enrolled in. McYeee (talk) 07:55, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's pretty common to write about the university you're attending or have attended on Wikipedia. While we discourage it for students, this isn't the article they're working on for their class, and quite frankly I'm happy if they branch out to other topics in the last few days of their class (because it might get them to stick around).

I've asked a slightly more general question at COIN. Hopefully the feedback there will help. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for doing that. I guess I was wrong, and I won't flag that in the future. McYeee (talk) 22:26, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@McYeee You're not wrong, but I think we generally ignore it unless it rises to the level of promotion. I appreciate that you flagged it to me; had it not been the end of the course I might have said something to them, at least asked them to be thoughtful and aware of potential conflicts. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:55, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	We've had to work together to deal with a few confused students. Thanks for being so helpful. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 22:03, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. Thank you so much @I dream of horses! Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A barnstar for you!

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Hello, Ian, I'm not sure what you said and to whom, but I haven't come across any student drafts that have been accidentally moved to a incorrect User namespace page in weeks! A month ago, this was an an ongoing problem but it hasn't happened in a long time. It was as if an editor, say, User:Liz put User:Liz/An Unfinished Flower, into User:An Unfinished Flower by mistake. But I'm not coming across these mistakes any longer. So, thanks for your help and that of the Wiki Ed team! Liz ^Read! Talk! 19:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at WP:MCQ § File:Florida-Wildlife-Corridor-Map-Corridor-Conserved-Opportunity-Protection-Priorities-1.pdf

 You are invited to join the discussion at WP:MCQ § File:Florida-Wildlife-Corridor-Map-Corridor-Conserved-Opportunity-Protection-Priorities-1.pdf. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ian. Just posting this as a courtesy because it involves an image uploaded by a student of one of the Wiki Ed course you're helping out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doktor und Apotheker page

Hi Ian,

I'd like to add information to the page on Dittersdorf's opera Doktor und Apotheker. There's a substantial amount of info missing, and the areas I'd like to focus on are: Background, Synopsis, Musical Elements, and Recordings. I've gathered information and written it up - should I just start adding it to the page (with citations, of course)? This is my first time contributing any kind of edit to Wikipedia, so I hope I'm starting off on the right foot here! Thanks. Dr. N. Apotheker (talk) 02:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dr. N. Apotheker Yes, you should edit the live article. I strongly recommend that you make smaller edits and save regularly. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:21, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Center on Race, Poverty and the Environment

Hi Ian. One of the students in Wikipedia:Wiki_Ed/Arizona State University/Environment and Justice - fall 2024_(Fall) named EDENH10 has added Center on Race, Poverty and the Environment to the mainspace, but I'm not seeing anything that indicates the subject meets either WP:GNG or WP:NORG. Of course, I could be wrong in my assessment, but you might want to take a look at it just it case because right now I think it's likely going to end up draftified once WP:NPP gets to it. FWIW, I only came across this because the same student also uploaded File:Pesticides.jpg and File:CRPE LOGO.png which have issues needing to be resolved. The photo needs a source but it looks like the student got it from here, which is probably not the original source of the photo given that it can be found used several other places online. Regardless, there's no indication on that "source" that the photo has been released as licensed, and the site's Content License Summary page also doesn't indicate as much; in fact, it seems to indicate there are non-commercial restrictions placed on reuse and there. The logo file needs a non-free use rationale, and {{Non-free logo}} could be used for that; however, non-free content can't be used in the draft namespace (which will be the case if this is draftified) so it might not matter anyway. Perhaps you could advise the student about these things? -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:46, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the message @Marchjuly. I have emailed the instructor and asked them to help with this. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:40, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Need help request from AquaticWalker (talk)

Hello,

I need help with the sandbox specific to the page I am editing. It just says "bibliography" and "article". There is no "article sandbox". How can I fix this?

Thank you

--AquaticWalker (talk) 22:59, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @AquaticWalker. Your class isn't using an article sandbox to draft. After figuring out the changes you want to make, just go ahead and make edits to the live Dystrophic lake article. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Javier Zamora

Hi Guettarda (Ian (Wiki Ed)). You did some WP:RD1 cleanup on Javier Zamora on November 27, 2024. I believe in one of those edits a student in Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/Rutgers University Newark/Reading Latine Literature (Fall 2024) named SynchroAnonymous might've added some content to Javier Zamora#Unaccompanied citing an online paraphrasing tool called Quillbot (Javier Zamora#cite_note-24). I can't see the diff to be sure it was the student and don't know why they did this if it was them, but I'm guessing that it might've had something to do with a discussion on the user's talk page started by their course's instructor Urmyotherme. The citation has zero value to Wikipedia so it should be removed, but I don't know about the content itself. My understanding of AI generated content and Wikipedia is primarily based on Wikipedia:Large language models; even though such content doesn't seem to be explicitly prohibited, there do seem to be a number of issues related to it that it's not quite recommended. Things might be different out in the real world and perhaps in this specific course, but I was wondering whether you could take a look at this again. Which hat (Wiki Ed advisor or Wikipedia administrator) you decide to wear is up to you, but the last sentence of that particular section of the article reads like it's either unsourced OR or an unattributed quoting of Zamora. It probably should go if it can't be sorted out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:09, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Marchjuly: When in doubt, ping me here. Not only do I use my volunteer account unpredictably (most days, but sometimes not for a week), it's also a place I go to clear my mind of this stuff. Guettarda (talk) 23:49, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Antonieta Villamil

Hi there, Ian. You seem to have inadvertently created Antonieta Villamil in mainspace by adding a forbidden template. I've tried to tidy it up a bit but you may be able to re-establish its history in order to credit the student who was behind it.--Ipigott (talk) 12:26, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Ipigott. They used the wrong sandbox to create their draft. Let me see if I can fix that. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ian I need your help!

Someone named Liz deleted my page and I need it for class ASAP. I don't know how to get it back and I'm freaking out.

Andie Andiefarber (talk) 17:15, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your page is here: User:Andiefarber/The Unicorn Tapestry. Only the redirects were deleted. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:00, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Andiefarber - adding a ping so you'll get notified of my reply. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:01, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Need help request from Bryanna10 (talk)

Hello.

I need help with...

I want to open my sandbox

--Bryanna10 (talk) 22:55, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bryanna10 your sandbox is at User:Bryanna10/Immigration Act of 1990. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 02:00, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to use the talk feature?

Hello my name is Wala. I would like to use the Talk feature to ask other contributors about my assigned article, but I am unsure on how to do so. Can you please guide me in the right direction? Whhabash (talk) 18:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Whhabash. It looks like you already posted to talk:educational inequality. If you add a new section to that page someone might engage, but whether people actually engage is a matter of chance really. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:17, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/Cooper Union/Dance and Society (Fall 2024)

Hi Ian. Since you're advising Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/Cooper Union/Dance and Society (Fall 2024), perhaps you could take a look at Jazz Age Lawn Party. It was created by Tmcguire218, who's a student in that course, who might not be too familiar with how to add references to a Wikipedia article. They added lots of what look like sources to the end of the article, but they could also have been intended to be external links. For the time being, anyway, I reorganized them into a WP:GENREF section, but they probably still need some sorting out. The article also seems to have been created directly in the mainspace, and I'm not too sure it meets WP:NEVENT. I'm not really sure how "dance parties" like this are assessed when it comes to Wikipedia notability other than perhaps NEVENT and GNG. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Writing style

Would you please point Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/University of Central Florida College of Medicine/WikiProject Medicine Fall 2024 UCF COM - Block 6 (6) and other medicine-related classes at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles#Writing for the wrong audience, specifically the bit about "You use a writing style appropriate for 12-year-olds, because the sixth grade reading level is recommended for patient information leaflets"?

I'm hearing that the Hemingwayapp.com is prompting some bad writing style (e.g., unnaturally short sentences). WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @WhatamIdoing! I wasn't aware of that section (or if I was, I had forgotten about it).

I also wasn't aware of the Hemingwayapp. I'll take a look at it. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, I've used Hemingwayapp.com. It's not an inherently evil tool, but you do need to know what you're doing with it. I'd recommend it if you ever have to write a page that will be translated (or you think will be run through machine translation). It pushes you towards short, simple subject-verb-object declarative sentences, which is the thing that machine translation is best at. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:24, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Can you give me any advice for improving this article?--Abberdabbs (talk) 01:54, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Which article, @Abberdabbs? WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:56, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]