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Pakistani Generals updated Information

Dear, I have found update information on a website about pakistani Generals and want to share with you. Please visit it and get updated information. http://pakarmygenerals.isgreat.org/?u=5 Regards --Simpson.jimmi2010 (talk) 06:44, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mistaken Identity

I really don't know about that Youtube account. And believe me thousands of people can use those kinds of name. Anyway, we shouldn't be bringing in outside news to wiki. Regards. --Johnxxx9 (talk) 15:11, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

J-10 Article

Hi,

Thanks for the work you're doing on the J-10B article. Please understand that deleting informative links can lead to edit warring. Please discuss any issues on the page talk page before taking action. Thanks & Best. --plamkii (talk) May 01 2009 —Preceding undated comment added 17:51, 1 May 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Posted the following reply on your talk page and on J-10 article:

"Hello. Please understand that GrandeStrategy may be an informative link, but it is still a blog. The GrandeStrategy article on J-10B is composed of information from other sources (which are already added to the external links section of the J-10 article) and speculation by the author. If you add the link again, I will not remove it because I do not want an edit war. But I will bring the issue up on the talk page and get more experienced editors involved. Blogs by enthusiasts are not authoritative sources. You told me to discuss this matter on the article talk page before editing, but you did not do so yourself. Please do not add warnings on my talk page when you are not willing to follow their advice yourself. Hj108 (talk) 15:17, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hj108 (talk) 15:23, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pakistan Air Force

Hello,

Thanks you for your effort to improve the concerned article. Please note that removal of sourced, informative content is highly undesirable as it would most likely be reverted and can lead to edit warring. Feel free to make changes to the tone of the sentences, add more information backed by reliable, scholarly sources and raise any outstanding issues on the article's talkpage. Have a nice day --Incidious (talk) 22:17, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

Thanks for raising for raising your concerns. If you would see, sources [10], [11] and [8] are all neutral sources. Regarding the Indian sources, [12] and [13], the information is very much relevant to the topic and necessary too as it explains the losses incurred by the Indians. I'm sorry but I failed to see any form of bias in that piece of information and it seems rather subjective. Regarding Sabres, read the caption on the ride side of page 164: it says The F-86s did well against Hunters and Mysteres but had trouble dealing with the Gnats. Thanks --Incidious (talk) 12:42, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I removed source [12] for the sake of neutrality. As of now, out of all the sources mentioned in the 1965 war section, only one seems to be Indian. Thanks --Incidious (talk) 12:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, in the 1971 war section, the source [18] only mentions that the PAF was unable to intervene during IAF's raid on Pakistani air bases and Indian Navy's raid on Karachi. The source does not mention PAF's explanation for its inaction. However, I do understand your sensitivities attached to this touchy issue. --Incidious (talk) 12:58, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TO hj108 Is CHUCK YEAGER reference good enough for you or should i do something else for huh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasiimabbas (talk • contribs) 20:40, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What is your e-mail

what is your e-mail.User:Yousaf465 (talk)

Yes it's not safe to comment on talk pages something are better discussed on e-mail.you may e-mail at [e-mail] for further information.As far jf-17 is concerned I nominated it for Ga so I couldn't review it.User:Yousaf465 (talk)

Your comments need at FS

Your comments are needed here[1].User:Yousaf465 (talk)

Thanks for supporting FS

Thanks for your support for the FS.for further detail see above.User:Yousaf465 (talk)

Your support is also needed here.[2]User:Yousaf465 (talk)

Re: Ra'ad and Babur cruise missile title change?

I apologize for the late reply. I was away for a couple of days. In response to your question, it is a good idea to rename Ra'ad to Raad cruise missile.

Your proposal could be implemented based on community consensus in accordance to Wikipedia guidelines, we must initiate a poll on the talk page of the article. If the community consensus is successful the changes are permitted to take place otherwise they would be reverted back to the orignal form. Further more, I would like to propose redirecting. You could create a page using the following code to redirect your article to the orginal article # REDIRECT Anything you feel is appropriate this does not require consensus. I hope this is helps.

If you require any assistance feel free to contact me. :) Faraz (talk) 17:40, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Pakistani Aviation

Please join.The articles your are currently editing comes under it's scope.Here is the [3]yousaf465

New! Pakistani military history task force

  

I am contacting you because I see you have contributed to articles about the military history of Pakistan or its armed forces. To help improve Wikipedia's coverage of this important topic, and to provide support and coordination of individual editors, the Military history WikiProject has now set up a newPakistani military history task force.

If you would like to join up, as a founder member of this important new initiative, please add your name to the Participants' List. Thank you for your time. I hope you can help.  Roger Davies ^talk 06:34, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiwings

		Wikiwings
		for your efforts on Chengdu J-10 MilborneOne (talk) 15:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PAA

Does the ground equiqment also bleongs to PAA Aviation].yousaf465

KLJ-7 Radar

I saw a recent edit from you changing "bears similarities' to "bares similarities". I think you misunderstood, the actual word is "bears similarities". Bears --> transitive verb "be marked by something:" to show physical signs of something eg bears a likeness to his uncle. See Encarta dictionary entry#7. So, the correct phrase would be "The KLJ-7 uses a mechanically-steered slotted array antenna and bears similarities with the various Russian radars imported in the 1990s." You may delete this talk page entry after making the change. Regards Raza0007 [[[User talk:Raza0007|Talk]]] 17:30, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My bad! Thanks for fixing it.--Hj108 (talk) 17:51, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WIKIREADER41 Indo-Pak war 1971

The Hindutva POV pusher has been removing your valid edits from the indo pak war of 1971 look at these difs they will show his Hindutva mentality: [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] Just a preveiw of the POV of the Indian american nationalist Wikireader41 remove all his edits please 86.158.234.4 (talk) 11:05, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Who the hell do you think you are telling me to remove somebody's edits? If you can't be bothered to sign up and help me counter those kinds of editors, stay the hell off my talk page.

--Hj108 (talk) 11:35, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shaheen-III article

Please stop editing the Shaheen-III page unless you can provide some sources sufficient to reject all the sources provided --User:Jawadqamar

Firstly, please sign your discussion page edits by typing Hj108 (talk) 09:51, 27 August 2009 (UTC) after them. Secondly, my edits to the Shaheen III article are perfectly valid because you are not providing sources that "Shaheen IV" is the new Pakistani ICBM. If you can, I will be more than happy to include that information.[reply]

--Hj108 (talk) 09:51, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So far no name is given to the new ICBM and I never said that Shaheen-III is tipu You are just deleting the information that Pakistan has a ICBM program even when sources do exists. I placed it under the name of Shaheen-IV as it is the only logical name until a new specific name is given to the missile by the Pakistani authorities. Because of this reason I did not created a separate page for this ICBM as no name exists so far. But you got to realize that no name don’t mean no missile, something you deleting habit suggests —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jawadqamar (talk • contribs) 14:39, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Logic" doesn't come into it, you need proper sources. Your sources do not say the ICBM is called Shaheen IV, they do not say that Tipu's specifications are the same as Shaheen III. The Shaheen III article is for Shaheen III only, move the ICBM news to some other article. Look at the JF-17 article I have been working on, it has sources for every single fact. Every article is supposed to be like this, including Shaheen III. I'm trying to improve the Pakistan-related articles, why would I let you edit them with something you made up?

I'm asking for a second time, when you edit my talk page please sign your edit by putting four of this symbol: ~ after the edit, like this:

~~~~

Also, don't keep adding new topics to the talk page for no reason, use the first one you created.

--Hj108 (talk) 15:15, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

These sources are clearly providing the information about the ICBM with range of 7000km, now you may not like to call them Tipu or Shaheen-IV but fact remains that ICBM program is there irrespective of the fact that it is yet to be named. You can’t just go on deleting the information just on the basis that project is yet to be named, if you have issues with name you can always edit it rather than deleting everything on the topic.Jawadqamar (talk

Doesn't matter if it exists or not, it is NOT Shaheen III or Shaheen IV so it belongs in another article. Simple. Stop adding new topics to my discussion page when one already exists at the bottom (see Wikipedia:Talk_page guidelines) and start signing your edits (see Wikipedia:Signatures guidelines).--Hj108 (talk) 17:54, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edits to T-80UD article

I'm not spreading anti-Pakistan propaganda. I'm simply adding information that I found in the magazine. I can even show you a photo or a scan of the actual text if you still don't believe me. I'm completely neutral when it comes to this subject. Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 22:35, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Never said you were, I was just suspicious because I couldn't read the source. Go ahead and undo my edit.--Hj108 (talk) 10:16, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

August 2009

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 15 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for your disruption caused by edit warring and violation of the three-revert rule at Al-Khalid tank. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first. Nja^247 13:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

F-22P

The ship name is Zulfiqar you can check internet for reports in Pakistani newspapers about this frigate. This is a spelling mistakes. The Chinese made spelling mistake and our Pakistani Navy has not noticed it yet ! In English language U always follows Q so QU is used. But in Urdu and Arabic, U after Q is not necessary. Can you please search and find anybody spelling Zulfiqar as Zulfiquar ? Zulfiqar was sword of Hazrat Ali. 99.229.230.20 (talk) 16:04, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to the Pakistan Navy website: http://www.paknavy.gov.pk/pn_event_pr3.htm

"The second F-22P Frigate... will be named PNS SHAMSHEER... the first ship (to be named PNS ZULFIQUAR) is under trials... Construction of third Ship (to be named PNS SAIF) is also progressing...

So you can see that these spellings are used by the Pakistan Navy, we must use them here also. If the Navy decides to change the spellings, only then can we change the spellings in the F-22P article. Besides, the English spelling will never be as accurate as the Arabic/Urdu spellings so it doesn't matter. We should really concentrate on improving this and other articles rather than worrying about these English spellings that will always be imperfect anyway.--Hj108 (talk) 23:00, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tipu

I've removed the deletion nomination you inserted into the unrelated AfD for Caralho. For future reference, note that in order to initiate an Articles for Deletion discussion you have to complete the three steps described at WP:AFD: tagging the article, creating a discussion page, and listing the discussion on the AfD log page. In the case of Tipu, however, an AfD was unnecessary; an already existing article was overwritten with the new, copyvio material, so I've just reverted the edit to restore the original article. Deor (talk) 18:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New: Pakistani cinema task force

Hi! Recently, we updated the Pakistani cinema task force and are inviting you to become a member of this WikiProject. This project is designed to develop, mantain and monitor all Pakistani-cinema related articles on the English Wikipedia. By becoming a member, you can ensure that this project retains its active status and help us keep this project running. We hope you join. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skepticfall (talk • contribs) 02:59, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

		The Copyright Cleanup Barnstar
		For your cleanup on Kahuta Research Laboratories Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:04, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much. I am following up on a copyright investigation from a known copyright violator, and I arrived at this one to find that you had already cleaned much of it. I appreciate your keeping an eye out for copyright concerns and addressing this one when you found it. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:04, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. --Hj108 (talk) 16:29, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edits to article PNS Ghazi

I have only reverted the article to the past version which you had changed without any reason. You can't tag edits everyone who does not think like you to be a vandalism. The wordings in the article were proper and had already been discussed and corrected by Pakistani editors in past. I rather could blame you for vandalism for mindlessly changing and altering a text that has been accepted by both Indian and Pakistani editors for a long time.
--UplinkAnsh (talk) 18:02, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rubbish, you're adding non-encyclopaedic language such as "hunter turned hunted". We both know there aren't enough Pakistani editors to get rid of such nationalistic nonsense from every article. An Indian source as well as an Egyptian source state that there were no Indian ships in the vicinity, giving credence to the claim that it was an accident. You cannot blame me for vandalism because I am editing according to what the sources say, not according to what nationality I am, unlike some.--Hj108 (talk) 20:00, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, this goes way back!! Good work! --lTopGunl (talk) 10:35, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

March 2010

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on PNS Ghazi. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. Gerardw (talk) 00:52, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ghauri (missile)

The Ghauri (missile) was referred to as "The India Killer" on BBC World News and other places. There are Blogs that also reference this although I am well aware those are no good for wikipedia citations. I've put a citation needed tag on the line so that me or some other editor can find a firm citation later. This is business as usual on wikipedia. It is not original research. Wlmg (talk) 20:11, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I spent half an hour looking for a citation and didn't find one. If you want to have a chance to keep looking, then you won't mind if I comment out that line? By the way the citation you added says nothing about the Ghauri ballistic missile having that nickname. --Hj108 (talk) 21:28, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Search the google news archive and you will find the reference. Wlmg (talk) 21:51, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Check here about half way down the page: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22india+killer%22&scoring=a&hl=en&ned=us&sa=N&start=20 Clearly says: "$2.95 - Dallas Morning News - NewsBank - May 17, 1998 Pakistan recently tested a missile dubbed the"India killer." The new government in New Delhi says it tested the bomb last week to send a message not just to ." Wlmg (talk) 22:06, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Post Office images

Salams, I am looking for images of post offices of Pakistan. If you can help me, please leave a message on my talk page. thanks Rzafar (talk) 21:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Thank you for helping us in improving the quantity of the data and info that is available on Wiki.Whenever i have tried to improved wiki.There is someone who always revert improvement by saying that ip address which has done improvement is of Indian origin.This false info makes wiki unreliable source .So thank you in making wiki a reliable source.--59.94.136.60 (talk) 16:21, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Help needed

I need your help now, the matter is really urgent and needs to be discussed privately. Could you please send me a email.--yousaf465 06:16, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

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yousaf465 18:42, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jf-17 Links emailed

I have sent you some info about it. --yousaf465 04:07, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Added them to my user page, will update the JF-17 article when I get some time. Thanks.--Hj108 (talk) 10:43, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/g3231-jf-17-thunderpak-page9.html
• http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/jf-17-thunderpak/p1048.html
• http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.cac.com.cn/product/product_display.aspx%3Fid%3D1&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhjJC8LXqUnTnEjqVTPdYBJxA6w4jQ

--Hj108 (talk) 21:46, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you

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		Thanks for your recent contributions! -129.49.72.78 (talk) 18:59, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Moving Special Service Group

I see no particular problem either way with your move, but you need to do it properly and not just copy/paste the content across. As the target page has a history of its own that will need merging into the history of Special service group so I think a move request will be needed - see Wikipedia:Requested moves. There assume the move request is controversial so any possible drama is minimised as it will need significant admin assistance to complete. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:37, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Replied

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FC-1/JF-17

IMO, the addition of airshow appearance is not important, suggest you talk to him here → User talk:Poloplayers#Omit needless word ←. Best. --Dave ^♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 11:36, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

RSN: bharat-rakshak.com vs pakdef.info

A new RSN has been started here[11] to reconsidered the unfair RSN[12] in which you commented before. Might be of your concern. --lTopGunl (talk) 10:28, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge discussion for Hatf-VIII (Ra'ad)

An article that you have been involved in editing, Hatf-VIII (Ra'ad) , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. lTopGunl (talk) 15:07, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Hi, what's up? No edits in a long time... --lTopGunl (talk) 18:37, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm literally buried with work! Now all my articles are messed up, can't be bothered to fix them. Maybe I will start in summer.--Hj108 (talk) 13:28, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good luck with that. Probably revert them to a good version and then improve when you come back. See you then. --lTopGunl (talk) 15:37, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List of aircraft of the Pakistan Air Force

Your edit summary here is not consistent with the edit you made (or the content you restored). Mind taking a look again? Thanks --SMS ^Talk 14:49, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, yes I was mistaken. I thought you had removed the "retired aircraft" section at the bottom of the list. Your edit was absolutely valid, my apologies for undoing it. I have fixed it now. Thanks.--Hj108 (talk) 14:57, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Hj108 for the welcoming response. Probably I haven't conversed with you before but still seen your useful edits at multiple articles. Keep up the good work. --SMS ^Talk 15:33, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Join us at FB

Hello Pakistanis Wikipedians! Assalam-o-Alaikum, I hope you are enjoying editing Wikipedia and helping around. I want to join every Pakistani Wikipedian on facebook so I hope you would like to join us in our community. We would/could help each other and make Pakistani articles more better.

Join us:

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Wiki Loves Monuments - Pakistan

Hi Hj108!

Wiki Loves Monuments, the world's largest photography competition, will be taking place in Pakistan this September. The competition is all about capturing the cultural monuments and heritage sites of Pakistan and uploading these images on Commons to create an online repository which will be freely available to all.

Start taking photos of the sites enlisted here and upload them in September to be eligible for national and international prizes.

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Pakistani Cultural Heritage - Edit Drive

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ArbCom elections are now open!

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Nomination of Marine Systems Limited for deletion

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Nomination of GIDS Shahpar for deletion

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