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Glory records

Hi Heinz,

Be careful with the official glory website, it's full of mistakes regarding fighter records, they count amateur and pro fights especially for new generation kickboxers, also they forget to count fights outside glory once the guy is added on the site. (talk)

Bellator is dead

@Marty2Hotty, AddedUpdatePoster, and Cassiopeia:

Ariel announced that Bellator is dead and the PFL is just doing 6-8 8 man grand prixes instead of the season stuff. I'll start merging the roster pages this week. HeinzMaster (talk) 18:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not surprised after the recent omission of the Bellator brand. Thanks for your hard work. Marty2Hotty (talk) 18:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly will be much easier then moving guys between the pages, but damn, Bellator has been in the game for so long HeinzMaster (talk) 18:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I heard early this morning. It is sad to see Bellator go. Thank you for your efforts and the time spent on this project. Happy New Year 2025! Cassiopeia talk 07:53, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It didn't surprise me. To be honest, I don't think PFL has a good enough product to survive in the long run. Marty2Hotty (talk) 12:12, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh no, Bellator only the name remains. AddedUpdatePoster (talk) 11:58, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of GFL Fighters

You added the drafted ones to the main roster but the format is wrong. It is using the "months since last bout" version. Do you want to use a "reference" like UFC or use the one that's on Bellator.

Also: what happens to the undrafted fighters who will not compete. Also, should there be a team name for the fighters? Marty2Hotty (talk) 11:13, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the problem with GFL is they have a points system and teams. We classified fighters by weight divisions but they are actually on teams as well with a point system of finishes/decisions/draws/decision losses/finish loss.

The undrafted fighters - should they be on the page? Marty2Hotty (talk) 11:24, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just putting them in the correct weight classes, will fix them after. The undrafted ones are free agents and no longer linked to the promotion, so I'll remove them all. I'll also just add a team category to the chart.HeinzMaster (talk) 11:32, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey before you do that. Check my atomweight division. I added a "team" section as well. Marty2Hotty (talk) 11:59, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

the free agents that were not drafted. some of the editors left a note on their page saying they were "signed" with GFL, but that terminology is inaccurate, right? Marty2Hotty (talk) 12:22, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I edited most of it. I have a question. Should we put a category for a list of the undrafted fighters who were eligible to be drafted.

Like "List of undrafted fighters for the 2025 season" somewhere. Marty2Hotty (talk) 21:32, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://x.com/jakenoeckermma/status/1883247139117260881?s=46

looks like they are all free agents, signed just for it to look legit HeinzMaster (talk) 22:18, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ilia Topuria

Can you check the number of fighters on "list of current ufc fighters". Ilia Topuria is now listed as Spanish as per sherdog - https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Ilia-Topuria-202445. Some editors are going back and forth between Georgia and Spain. I saw numbers change but I am not sure if the ESP/GEO numbers are correct. I am okay with two flags for Ilia but I am not sure if others will agree. I am also not sure how that affects the country flag numbers Marty2Hotty (talk) 23:26, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bout announcement discussion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cassiopeia#bout_announcements

You are invited to discuss with Cassiopeia and I on whether UFC/ESPN can be used as sources for "bout announcements". The user says they cannot because they are not independent, but UFC.com's Events page is used for moving bouts to the Fight Card on Wikipedia, so this is a conflict. We are also not dealing with subjective information that needs verification. We are dealing with a company's event and bouts. Usuallly, when posted on their official social media accounts, the media sites follow anyway, so I feel ESPN/UFC's pages are fine.

I ask because https://www.espn.com.mx/artes-marciales-mixtas/nota/_/id/14758228/ufc-venezolano-alberto-montes-debut-mexicano-roberto-romero was a link I posted but it was removed because it was not "reliable" but it is obviously reliable.

Please discuss there and let me know what you think.

Marty2Hotty (talk) 22:28, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hotty,

I, others editors / admins have explained to you about sources many times for the last two years and have provided you the links for your perusal many times but I guess you didnt read them. Here the links below and please read them. (Note: Wikipedia is not a news channel but an encyclopedia, so not everything publish by whoever can be put in Wikipedia articles.)

I didnt state not reliable but NOT independent because of the affiliation/association/connection with UFC since they have business dealings (contract).

Independent source - Please read - (1) "Conflicts of interest" under Wikipedia:Independent sources#Non-independent sources, (2) "Relationship to primary and secondary sources" and (3) "Third-party versus independent" under Related concepts.

For use of primary source sparingly: Primary sources can be used to present straightforward, descriptive statements that are directly supported by the source itself. This ensures that any educated reader can verify the content without requiring specialist knowledge or interpretation. For example, quoting a court transcript to illustrate a witness's testimony is acceptable, but interpreting the testimony as fact requires secondary sources - see "An article about a busine" under Primary sources should be used carefully (note: can be used in article but does not contribute to the WP:N requirement for an article)

On the another matter about name change, pls read WP:NAMECHANGES - note: "after routinely" and not right after (immediately) the name change - if you want to know the guidelines. Cassiopeia talk 02:38, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]