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In reference to you removal of this article. Please restore it and I will make the necessary adjustments . Thanks --Jag772004:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'd agree with your logic in RFCN mostly, if I didn't notice that the examples like "RL violent acts" etc are sub-listed under "potentially offensive/inflammatory etc", which IMO serves as a precondition to further examine the bullets, and not vice-versa. Maybe your id's made a mental forking of these sentences out on their own... What do you think? NikoSilver22:46, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I see two sections, confusing, and offensive. The potentially precedes the offensive to indicate that a name does not need to be offensive to you, only potentially offensive. Please note both sections are under the heading "Wikipedia does not allow certain types of usernames". The section on potentially offensive says the the following are included in what is considered potentially offensive, " Wikipedia does not allow potentially inflammatory or offensive usernames...This includes, but is not limited to". HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)22:51, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well then, obviously the policy is wrong if it can be interpreted that way and it needs to be amended accordingly. For example, I see that "bodily excretions" are banned. So we should ban names like "NoTears", "NoSweat" etc (which are technically "excretions" -but not remotely "potentially offensive"). How would you feel if we reworded the specific part to indicate that? I propose we change "are included" to "may include". I think it all comes down to the common sense bit we were talking about in earlier discussions... NikoSilver10:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am all for making changes to the policy after a consensus based discussion on the policy talk page. But this common sense you keep referring to would not be an issue, if the sense was really common to all of us. The ignoring of policy when it is contrary to common sense can only happen when the sense is really common. In other words, if people are disagreeing then it is not common sense. A discussion about excretions is already happening at WT:U, as for references to violence, I think that rule has a very important purpose. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)13:34, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Its called wiki-addiction. I have it too. Maybe we should seriously consider counseling. Or...must...edit...encyclopedia! Gah! --Iamunknown16:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I took a very sudden one-month wikibreak. I found it most relaxing... well, at least I'm sure I would have, if it wasn't for the fact that I was busy during that month. Still... EVula// talk // ☯ //17:34, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Try not browsing your watchlist for a day or two. After that, you will have lost follow-up, and will be very difficult to regain it, which will discourage you. Then, you can always give it a quick glance every now and then, and filter out the most important issues. It worked for me, but it requires an amount of trust for the rest of the Wikipedians. NikoSilver10:56, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I will try to enforce policy, but sometimes there are simply to many people resisting it and I give up.
Try to take the "long view". They are resisting now, for whatever reasons. If policy is trending in a good direction, and ignoring it is producing increasingly bad results, the good policy will eventually win. Or nothing will matter much at all. In either case, the understated simple arguments for policy will be useful background to the history. Don't stress - just pipe up with the "good reasons" every so often. (Oh, but you must fix the 'too' (sorry, the wikignome won out over the philosopher :( )) Shenme00:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Since our edit conflict over "Heavybuddha" left me nowhere to post this, I give it to you:
Exact wording of WP:U#Religion for reference: "The names of religions or religious figures; in addition, usernames that invoke the name of a religious figure or religion are prohibited should they be distasteful, provoke or promote intolerance, are disrespectful of the religion, or promote the ideology that one religion is superior to others. Usernames that are clearly expressions of faith are discouraged, however considered allowed unless disruptive. Should a username not be clear as to the motive, it may be reviewed." Claiming to be (a) Christian or (a) Buddhist would merely be discouraged; claiming to be (a) Christ or (a) Buddha is prohibited... even if it's jolly old Hotei... and if this chap really is a Buddha, then he'd be Maitreya the World-Ruler, since that's the next expected Buddha, but he's well ahead of schedule. Disallow, obviously. -- BenTALK/HIST05:51, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As came up in the discussion, there are many meanings to the word Buddha, including references to a religious state. I personally have no opinion on this, but I do feel the discussion was in line with policy. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)13:18, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
AIV Helperbot
FYI, your bot hasn't been running for several days. I wasn't sure if you were aware. Could this be the issue I emailed you about? Regards, alphachimp04:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Very strange. Thanks for pointing this out. It is running, and listing off things it is doing, but it has not done anything since April fools day. I wonder if it is playing a joke on me.
When your bot was acting up, did it stop running? Or did it pretend like it was still going? I am wondering if it is a login issue, I should use a packet sniffer to see what is actually happening.
Ok, I am awake, and the bot is sending the changes, but it is getting a "loss of session data" error. I am going to shut down the bot and run it again and see if that helps. I saved the packet logs to future analysis. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)13:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I need to add a routine to check if it is logged out and log back in again. This was most likely the problem you encountered too. Thankfully, because the script sends the login session on every edit, it will not make an edit anonymously even if the server expires that session. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)14:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have no objection to the revert, and was unaware of the earlier debate, but it appears that the people on the admin board do not necessarily agree with the earlier decision. We'll see if it stands up to broader inspection. >Radiant<14:15, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The people at the admin board can participate in the discussion on the relevant talk page, I don't see how this is an admin issue. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)14:17, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
E kala mai, jumping in here, but you're right... it's not an admin issue, I was only discussing there because that was where the current discussion was. Maybe that discussion should be moved to WT:RFCN with a note... Again, sorry for interrupting. --Ali'i14:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No worries for interrupting, I have already put a note at WP:AN mentioning the existing discussion. People will go post there if they want. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)14:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's indeed not an admin issue. It just so happened that I spotted the thread on the admin board. It should probably be moved to the RFCN talk page. >Radiant<14:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure moving it is the best idea, I hate it when I comment somewhere then I am getting responses on a page I don't even have on my watchlist. I have already left a note there though. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)14:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Arcayne's bad faith "warning" on my talk was about comments I made on Talk:300 (film) which were not personal attacks. Thus my comments on the edit summary on Persian people had nothing to do with any warnings from Arcayne, so please do not make false comments. Thirdly, User:Heja helweda has constantly made partisan edits towards Persians in a similar manner to User:Patchouli (who has since been permabanned). This is just for your own edification. No need to respond again on my talk page again, because frankly, I am tiring of this harassment of editors like Arcayne "warning" others in bad faith. Why don't admins go after problem users instead of going after people like me who are actually trying to build a neutral encyclopedia? Look at the talk of Talk:300 (film) and Heja's contributions. You've got to be kidding me if that kind of thing should be tolerated. Khorshid18:25, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Calling someone a "anti-persian kurdish supremacist" is a personal attack. Don't use name calling, it is a violation of policy. The circumstances surrounding the insult do not justify it, you are warned not to violate this policy. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)18:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"go ahead and list it"
In the Fenian Swine RFCN, you said: "First off, no I don't disallow everything, check your facts. Secondly, if you think there is a problem with my name then go ahead and list it. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 19:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)" - the problem with that is if anyone actually took you up on that offer, they'd immediately be accused of violating WP:POINT (despite that a single RFCN listing is not disruptive, no-one cares about that when they cite POINT) and blocked. In light of this, can you please refrain from baiting people like that? --Random83218:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No, such a nomination would not be a point violation unless it was disruptive in some way. My offer for anyone to bring it up my name is sincere. It was not baiting. I think you have misinterpreted the situation. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)18:51, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I guess the word "baiting" was a bit loaded, and I'm sorry for that. But, honestly - WP:POINT is often misused, and my very first thought on seeing that statement was "well, wouldn't that be a good way to get slapped for a supposed POINT violation?" I don't agree with the way it's misused, but it's out there, "the elephant in the room" so to speak, and needs to be considered. --Random83219:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I am not sure how bringing up my name in a discussion would be disrupting Wikipedia, even if it was done to prove a point, especially considering I have invited such a discussion. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)19:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wooyi has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
I am the one who placed the initial civility warning on User:Khorshid's page, for his lack of civility with another editor in the 300 article here, here and here. It seems to be kind of a pattern, but hey - make your own determination. I think it certainly warrants a level two warning, as he did this right after getting the first one. That he removes them suggests he's aware that they can hurt them if they accumulate. He might remove your warning as well, but it will remain in his edit history. They really don't like that sort of behavior.
He's certainly passionate about his unique point of view. Cheers. -Arcayne21:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I warned him that there would be a block if the violation of policy continues, I was sincere in that statement. He removed my warning, so I assume that means he read and understood it. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)21:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
RFCN to ANI humorous thought
Humorous/silly thought based on part of the MfD discussion:
Regarding your misconception about WP:ANI: It is simply a board for issues that require administrative attention; non-admins frequently comment there. The rest of your comment, the slippery slope argument, is thoroughly vapid. —Centrx→talk • 02:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
ANI is overcrowded, you cannot even load the page if you don't have enough RAM. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 02:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
It is not a blatant violation of the username policy, not that I can see. You can make a posting at WP:RFCN which is the better place for borderline violations. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)04:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hey -- this user created their account back long before email addresses were forbidden. Care to reconsider? That grandfather clause was recently removed from WP:U but that may have been unintentional. Mangojuicetalk04:40, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It does seem like I may have made a mistake, but it is late here, I will look at it in the morning. Thank you for bringing this up. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)04:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well that fact that he removed one of them as "rvv" is yet another violation, and that is after he removed yours. So it is a post-warning incivility. The Behnam18:29, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
lol, I should hope we as a community can recognize trolling, but then again, when we as a community get carried away you never know what will happen. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)03:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Allow! You guys are all policy wonks, busting can be a reference to musical stylings! And ghosts can be a positive reference to one's ancestors! Assume good faith people!!. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)03:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
High, I thought I'd seek out the assistance of an Admin on this one. Is there anything that can be done about a user refusing to archive or delete comments on their talk page, even though the page is getting ridiculously long and takes a bit to load even on a High Speed connection? The user is Patricknoddy. Please keep in mind this is a youth contributor. Thanks for any insight you can give me. CascadiaTALK| HISTORY13:18, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not much to do, other than convince the folks at a public forum that it is disruptive. I don't know of any enforceable rule that applies. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)13:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Care to have a look at the city of Victoria talk page and advise me on my comments? Specifically whether I should edit the actual page as well as point out problems, and where to look for further experienced guidance on these issues? Would really rather have a solid grasp of the conventions here and not upset anyone (within reason!), but also find myself getting itchy at the misinformation...
I could be that people have been scared away from this page due to all the drama.[5]
Yeah, speaking of people who should get a clue, eh? How about me clueing in that you've done a lot of work here, and that therefore I'm indirectly insulting you. For what it's worth, I do apologise. --Abu-Fool Danyal ibn Amir al-Makhiri21:28, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a way the bot can recognize when to use a short summary if the blocked user's name is long. If the name is long, it messes up the summary, like it did here. Either that all make the bot only do up to # letters of the username in the summary. --TeckWizParlateContribs@(Lets go Yankees!) 13:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am doing all the temp userpages(that are older than a month). I have reached the N's for user talk pages, but have not started on user pages yet. I have to do it by hand(with JS assistance) because most of the job involves deleting. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)15:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
sorry.I was meaning the fact that earlier on I tagged some user/ user talk pages as indefblock (instead os sockblock etc.) accidentally after a fairly signinfcant ammount of sockpuppet incidents last night (in UTC). GDonato (talk) 15:42, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I know, part of deleting pages in the temp userpage category is finding incorrectly tagged one's and fixing them. I am doing that as I go along deleting the others. The indef templates place a userpage in the temporary category. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)15:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Because I thought it was placed there by mistake, when I saw the page was protected, I assumed it was not a mistake and replaced it. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)16:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. I noticed that you have left E. Sn0 =31337= messages in the past regarding personal attacks towards vandals in edit summaries. I just wanted to let you know that they have continued and I have left another warning on their user talk page. You may wish to follow up, so I'm just letting you know :-). --Nick—Contact/Contribs04:07, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It is clear that we disagree, so instead of going back and forth, lets wait a little while and see what other people think. And please refrain from going to people's talk pages whom you know to share similar views and pointing them here, that is not the way to make consensus. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)23:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Taking a quick look at Peter Isotalo's contribs, the only single user talkpages he has posted on in the past weeks are a) mine, b) Stbalbach's. Once each. No chatterbox, he. So the "people whom you know to share similar views", not being Stbalbach, must be me, I guess. I suppose you realize that implying without the slightest basis in reality that he's been spamming for support is pretty insulting to Peter? Also to me. I'm sorry you think my input lowered the tone to the point where you had to reproach Peter for "pointing me" to the discussion. I won't disturb it further. Peter and I don't in fact share similar views on citing and footnoting. I'm a great believer in thorough citing, I don't think like Peter nor like Geogre on this issue. The dealings I've had with Peter about it consist of him opposing an otherwise well-received FAC of mine for having too many footnotes! [7] Or are you referring to "similar views" about polling? I agree with him there. Most experienced wikipedians do, and would call the Talk:Black Death poll a textbook example of a poll that does everything wrong. If Peter had meant to call in the cavalry on that one, I expect he would have posted to somebody like Kim Bruning (see Wikipedia talk:Straw polls) rather than to me. Incidentally, would you mind not following me around, or is Scandinavian yoga an interest of yours? [8] It's creepy. Bishonen | talk12:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Thank you for your clarification on your views. As for me following around, I am not, I keep many things on my watchlist, and I also follow the trails of other users and vandal. I am often led to interesting places. Yoga is an interest of mine, but I came across that article while looking for unreferenced articles. I tag articles all the time, no need to assume it has anything to do with you. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)13:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I apologize if I incorrectly believed that the posting on your talk page drawing you into the discussion was less than noble. Sometimes people make mistakes. This sort of thing happens when coincidences align themselves to create the appearance of a pattern, similar to how you came to the belief I was following you when I am not. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)13:46, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, well. Maybe some day it'll come to you what a poor reply that was: what a disagreeable "thank you", what an unrepentant "apology". You over-use those words and under-use their spirit. Bishonen | talk23:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]
I don't really know what to do when a person rejects the sincerity of my apology. I suppose it is your loss if you do not believe me, but I was sincere. I will assume your actions are done in good faith, I would like it if you did the same for me. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)02:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
re: ip block
Not to tell you your job (you're obviously far more experiences than me at the moment) I just didn't think I could take the risk of assuming that the IP's are all the same person just because they have done a small number of similar things. Just to explain my thoughts at the time, thanks for letting me know what you did :) SGGH14:04, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Just needed to get back here to say a quick thanks re: I had requested newbie guidance and you added/created my user page, providing answers to all questions through the various links contained therein. Much appreciated and kind of you, Joevanisland18:52, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I was in a bit of a hurry that day so I just gave you the welcome template. If you need any customized help or advice, feel free to ask. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)18:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Lol, it happens all the time. People expect a giant website like this to be sorted by a computer program, when they are responded to by a human they tend to respond in either a cooperative manner or a mean manner. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)23:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Feeding
It's better to keep editors who are deadset on being disruptive on talk pages, rather than have them disrupt articles, I think. WilyD01:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
on recent chandes ive seen u twice deleting stuff hope ur not a wiki nazi(also how come thyat page is protected from creation some wiki nazis behind it i guess)Tremewanbill02:58, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am doing regular maintenance. Your talk of nazis is both confusing and offensive. Make sense, be civil or stop talking to me. I asked you to be specific, which page are you complaining about? HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)03:00, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Lol, that is my head, not a girl's, I just had long hair then. You can put stuff there using <span style="position:absolute;top:20px;left:-70px;z-index:-1">[[Image:some image.png]]</span>
If you use a PNG you can have a transparency layer, the numbers in the string will need to be tweaked. You can see how I have done this at User:HighInBC/Floating head. I put two on that page, one to show if it is in my userspace, and another if it is put in someone else's. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)03:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
3RR question
Hi HIBC, I don't have much (or any) experience with 3RR. Can someone be warned/blocked for restoring almost identical versions of the same thing? My specific interest is here, where User:Befairtoturks (great not-at-all-NPOV name) makes multiple edits to Anti-Armenianism. I gave him a {{uw-npov1}} warning, but I wasn't the one who did any of the reversions, and none of the other editors warned. To me, this is a spirit-of-the-rule violation of 3RR. You can see his response to my warning, and my reply here. Thoughts? Flyguy649talkcontribs04:11, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I would say you would be justified in either giving a 3RR waring, or just going ahead and giving a 3RR block. Nationalist POV pushing is extremely disruptive and has caused some major problems in the past. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)04:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, High, I think the troll you blocked is back at my talk page. Here is the diff in question. [10] I don't know if it does any good blokcing him, but just FYI. Cheers. IronDuke14:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know anything about WR, I as just making a little joke. Perhaps I used poor timing. On an unrelated note, I like the new name. Not sure why, but I picture a bear with the features of Alan Alda. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)14:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Haha! Good guess about my name. My girlfriend suggested it, it's a German dialect form of "Alter Bär" (old bear). I like the Alan Alda interpretation, though. Regarding WR: I didn't know it either until someone linked to this essay on a talk page. I found it rather interesting, but I see why people are getting nervous about linking to WR. Most pages contain ugly rants and there are many attempts to out the identities of Wikipedians. —AldeBaeruser:Kncyu3815:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I did read something on ANI or AN about WR outing the real names and addresses/contact information about Wikipedians who wished to remain anonymous. However, I have not been there to check if this is true. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me)15:06, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's been a while since we last discussed this. We have been climbing up the charts and I want to know if we have reached notabillity yet. Highlights include a featured article on ZDnet, being mentioned on BBC Radio, and even being aired on National TV on Retirement Living. What do we need to get a page to happen?--Chalutz20:35, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Put it under podcasts in Podcast Section I expected HighInBC to answer that is really interesting. So did I write this up propperly? Is there anything else that is needed? --Chalutz22:40, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Don't unblock until the RFCN discussion has had time to develop. Then unblock away if warranted. Drug references in username have been judged inappropriate many times in the past. I guess you've forgotten the classics: "Got a fat-ass 'J' / Of some bubonic chronic / That made me choke / Shit, this ain't no joke!" hehe. See also here. I bet the user is evading a block, anyway. Very interesting contribution history. -- Ynot?21:33, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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