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I would like to request you help on page Iranian Azeris. The other editors of the article who are coincidentally Persian are denying me the right to edit the article even though I have sound reliable sources. For example they refuse to accept reports from Human Rights groups such as UNHRC, Amensty International and Human Rights Watch due to the report "not having an author". I am also being blocked from placing information that has been referenced from 5 western professors. I believe I am being targeted and I call for your help to resolve the matter. Thank you, regards, Tugrul Irmak. Tugrulirmak (talk) 08:07, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I opened an RFC regarding Safavid dynasty. There are several interesting proposals regarding the article. As a contributor previously involved on the subject, can you, please, take a look and provide your references/inputs? Thanks. Atabəy (talk) 15:01, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
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These users constantly change the correct article name of Ermenikend into the incorrect name of "Armenikend". Could all Azeri users prevent the taking over of articles about Azerbaijan by Armenian users with their biased nationalistic POV agenda. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.224.158.240 (talk) 12:16, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Could other users check User:MarshallBagramyan expropriation of the entire Kars article. This user constantly erases the other versions of the name of the city Kars in other languages (Armenian: ԿարսKars or Ղարս [ʁɑɾs] Ghars, Azerbaijani: Qars, Georgian: ყარსიKars, Kurdish: Qers, Russian: КарсKars) , and only lets the Armenian version of the name to stay (Armenian: ԿարսKars or Ղարս [ʁɑɾs] Ghars). Unfortunately this user's ethnocentric POV pushing by ignoring the history of the city, after the Armenian era, is still allowed to stay. He even defends it in the city article talk page.
Several warnings have been made. The issue of the "victims" has extensively and understandably been explained to you based on the context of the article. This is your last warning. The next time you remove or blank page content or templates from Wikipedia, as you did at Khojaly Massacre, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. --Aghetrichter (talk) 00:45, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
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I was tired of dealing with the crap by myself. All I could do was protect it, then protect it again when they restarted. I do an SSP, and it's discarded with prejudice. I didn't exactly ask for support from the wider admin community, which explains in part why I received none, but I guess I'm that kind of loner. Having people lie to my face and then be officially defended in SSP gave me a choice - I either start banning people based on my own personal guesses, or I withdraw. I withdrew. I would fully support any move towards dispute resolution and would testify that these articles are a shitstorm, but I need a break from them for a while. A long while. --Golbez (talk) 22:30, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Maybe if and when I decide to get involved again, I'll ask. And you can ask. But what I foresaw was another process of nothing happening. You are more than welcome to push it to the community, in fact I encourage it and would join on. But I have no interest in starting it myself. And, frankly, it's impossible that no other admin knows of the problems with the AA articles. So I didn't need to nor should I have had to ask. And when I did bring it to the bigger community, I was shot down. Maybe I'm a whiny bitch who left when he couldn't get his way, but I can live with that. --Golbez (talk) 22:50, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Also, I did plead to the community - when I left, I told WP:AN, and one person responded, though so far as I know no admin has actually been looking at the articles. --Golbez (talk) 22:54, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Two things - one, while I am still engaging in some NK-related discussions, they are on small topics rather than the broad strokes of a rewrite. For that, you really need to find fresh eyes. Secondly, I am currently on vacation and only using a cell phone so there's no way I'm examining a ton of diffs anyway :) --Golbez (talk) 14:20, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
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You appear to be engaged in an edit war by violating 1RR restriction in the article Nagorno-Karabakh. If unsuccessful to attain consensus, do not edit war even if you believe you are right. If edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. You also appear to be engaged in canvassing per WP:CANVAS and recruit meat-puppets, such as [User:Golbez] [2]. This should be a serious warning for you who had been banned for meatpuppetry in ruwiki and whose revert war is being supported by at least 2 proven ruwiki meat-puppets, ([Brandmeister] and [Parishan]). Dehr (talk) 02:58, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
If you think that admins Golbez and dab are my meatpuppets, you are free to launch a formal complaint. The same is with accusations about other users. Grandmaster07:58, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Hello GM. I see you've recently made a large change at Nagorno-Karabakh. While I share your suspicion of some of the new accounts that have been warring there, your revert is risky because it could set off a new round of battle. It is better if a consensus supports whatever revision may be needed. If you will cooperate in opening an RfC on the contested matters, that could lead to a better result. If you try to behave conspicuously better than the other side, your views are more likely to get a sympathetic hearing. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 02:20, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi Ed. I reverted all that to the original version, because a large rewrite received no consensus at talk, and other than 7 new accounts, no established editor supported it. I believe such substantial changes require a strong consensus at talk, and it should include support from the long established editors. What I see now is that we have 3 accounts with very few contribs (Zimmarod, Oliveriki, Hablabar) which try to reinstall edits of the banned user. Also of note how the accounts of Oliveriki and Zimmarod came to life the same day as Winterbliss and Dehr were banned. Oliveriki has not edited since posting a comment at WP:AE report, and his reappearance strangely coincides with situations like this. I will take your advice and start an RFC on the recent edits. But I believe that the large rewrite should be removed and discussed with involvement of the larger community, and inserted in the article only when there's a strong consensus. I already expressed my concerns about original research and inappropriate use of the primary sources, and those concerns were not addressed. For instance, the lead of the article was based on a consensus for years, and it cannot be rewritten by a new account without being proposed and discussed at talk first. I also left a further comment here: [3] with regard to my revert. Grandmaster10:16, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
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It is impossible to know if citizens who are assumed to exist (because the page implies they are in hiding to avoid discrimination) are married to a certain group or not or if they are "elderly and sick, and probably have no other family members."; The "probably" part being mere speculation. I think you're biased because you are an azeri. As Gazifikator pointed out, you're also a hypocrite. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 21:10, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
I don't know why you are even fighting over this. You can find the same info on US State Department website: Approximately 10,000-30,000 Armenians (almost exclusively persons of mixed descent or mixed marriages) remain in Azerbaijan (in addition to Armenians residing in Nagorno-Karabakh).[4]Approximately 20,700 Armenians, almost exclusively persons of mixed descent or mixed marriages, remained in the country (in addition to Armenians residing in occupied territories).[5] Also, mind WP:NPA, this is your only warning. Gazifikator is not a good example to follow, he has recently been blocked for sockpuppetry, and is on indefinite 1RR. Grandmaster21:59, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
US State Department website is weird place to get good information. This shitty site is edited by interns. Some country info is simply weird. See for yourself: "Separatist activities undertaken by Farsi-speaking Talysh in the south and Caucasian Lezghins in the north in the early 1990s engendered some suspicions in other citizens and fostered occasional discrimination." Talysh so not speak Farsi, they speak their own language which belongs to the Iranic group, like Kurdish or Ossetian. See also how this stupid sentence is composed: it creates the wrong impression that the cause of the controversy is in the fact that there are Farsi soeaking Talysh and some other Talysh. These writers are just nutheads. US State Department website should be mostly ignored. Sprutt (talk) 01:55, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
What you think of US State Department is your personal opinion. I see that it is not connected to Azerbaijani or Armenian government, and is neutral in this issue. It is used throughout Wikipedia. We can attribute the info to the US State Department, and that pretty much closes the issue. Grandmaster10:37, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
Grandmaster, you know that talk pages are for serious discussions and everyone is trying to waste lesser time at talk and reach a common understanding according to the reliable sources provided. I'll assume good faith, but some things seems to be problematic to me:
1) we had many talks about several articles, in several accasions I suggested consensus (for example, [6]), but until now I don't remember even one consensus I made with you.
2) while explaining yourself at talks, you prefer not to explain the whole problems you believe article has, but just asking some questions related to minor detals, which, if answered, will be added by other questions, and so on. We lost a lot of time discussing things which are not important, and when I'm answering a last question and the problem seems to be resolved, you (or Brandmeister, who mostly reverts in place of you) are again asking your first question, and this beacame a useless circle of discussions with no finish (a classical example is [7]). I don't remember a discussion where you concentrated your attitude and explained all the problems you see at once. Mind WP:Disrupt.
3) it is the most important to me: only during the last time in several occasions at different talks you accused things which are not true, or misinterpreted and I need to waste some time to check that what you're writing is not true. Just some examples from the last few days:
[8] Here you write: "This source is about events in Guba: [9]". While, if you check the source, it is called "General Information on Azerbaijani Jewish Organizations" and among the hundreds of sentences only one is partially about Guba. So what you write is not true.
[10] Here you write: "Again, there was no settlement called Armenikend in Soviet times. The area was called Mamedyarov settlement. Google books is full with sources attesting to that." Google books has 0 books on "Mamedyarov settlement" [11].
[12] Here you're claiming "The Soviet development in the area was not called Armenikend, it was called Mamedyarov settlement. See: [13]" by a selective search (searching the name you prefer in Russian, as no source in English supports you) of sources (you selected 4 sources of 414). But even the first result you have doesn't support you, it uses the name you reject, as dominant.
I'm sure if you waste a little more time to check what you're writing, you will not add so much baseless and disruptive information into the talks. Gazifikator (talk) 17:44, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Yerevan
Ok the source is in Russian and I do not have any experience in Russian language... but even though as I said, during the given period the used term was Caucasian Tatars and not Azerbaijani Tatars... do not try to mislead the readers same as you are trying to do in the Azeri language Wikipedia.--Preacher lad (talk) 20:59, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Calm down and do whatever you want I'm not going to argue anymore.... and avoid behaving like you are threatening, we are not in a battlefield.--Preacher lad (talk) 09:02, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
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Oh, OK. There's so much foolery on that page that I routinely use a very heavy hand. It should be simple given the few page edits to find the date those comments were made, and then they can be moved to the right chronological order.
You can't help with the creation of the Armée Nationale Congolaise can you? Sorry/Cheers, Buckshot06(talk)07:19, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks; my (military) Russian is passable enough that with the help of GTranslate I can get the gist. I've seen that initial page before, I think. Especially looking for details of what happened to the 75th Motor Rifle Division in Nakhichevan; I believe it was a Category 'C' division that just essentially dissolved. Please tell me if you ever come across anything. Cheers Buckshot06(talk)08:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Thankyou; that's great. However none of the Russian links in the Ru-Lev Roklin page mention the 75th at all. Please add any Russian links and sources to 7th Guards Army, which is my little concentration point for 75th MRD information. Buckshot06(talk)22:29, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
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So far 20 countries have confirmed participation for the Eurovision Song Contest 2013, which is scheduled to take place in Sweden. Please remember to only cite reliable sources when adding countries to the article.
The tenth edition of the Junior Eurovision Song Contest is scheduled to take place on the 1 December 2012, in Amsterdam, Netherlands. Details about confirmed participation are slowly filtering out into the world wide web. Please cite reliable sources when including new information.
The EBU extended the submission deadline to 29 June 2012. So far only 8 countries confirmed participations, and the contest needs a minimum of eleven in order for the show to continue. Bulgaria have withdrawn.
On 11 May 2012, Norwegian, Eivind Holtsmark Ringstad, won the 16th Eurovision Young Musicians 2012, in Vienna, Austria. This is a biennial event, and the next contest will take place in 2014, with Vienna most likely to be the host nation for a fifth consecutive time.
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The number of Armenians in Azerbaijan outside Nagorno-Karabakh is no longer 20,000 to 30,000 as it was in 1993 after the end of the Nagorno-Karabakh War (with the departure of the vast majority Armenians from Azerbaijan). The actual number of Armenians in Azerbaijan outside Nagorno-Karabakh is around 2,000 to 3,000 according to UNHCR and other neutral (neither Armenian or Azerbaijani) respectable academical sources. Azerbaijani government sources also estimate and state that the actual numbers of Armenians in Azerbaijan outside Nagorno-Karabakh is around 2,000 to 3,000. And they are almost exclusively comprised of persons who are of partial Armenian descent and the wives of Azerbaijani men. The number of 20,000 to 30,000 is not only now highly overestimated but it is also obsolete, as their numbers have steadily and drastically decreased since then and is continuing to do so.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.224.0.40 (talk • contribs)
I was a party to that one, if you noticed, so I know. But thanks for taking the time to post this message anyway. Grandmaster06:14, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
A fortiori you should know that "revert rules should not be construed as an entitlement or inalienable right to revert" as you were doing. Thank you. OptimusView (talk) 10:10, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
I have reverted an IP that changed Hindu to Persian and removed what appeared to be a blog that was being used as a reference. According to, The Indian Diaspora in Central Asia and Its Trade, 1550-1900, by Scott Cameron Levi, page 129, mentions a "somewhat famous Hindu temple in Baku" 25km north east of the city.[15] Would you happen to know if this is the same temple? Do you know if it is Hindu or Persian? Thanks in advance. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:54, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
I think it is the same temple, even though the source does not mention the name of the village where it is located (Surakhany). The temple in Surakhany was used in the 19th-20th centuries as a Hindu temple, and inscriptions there attest to that, but many believe that previously this location was used for Zoroastrian fireworship. Grandmaster20:32, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
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The past month has been an eventful one for the project as a whole. Old dramas have closed, new ones have begun. Four articles nominated for GA review, three of them passed and promoted, with one of them making ProjectEurovision history by being the first annual contest article to ever achieve GA status. If it wasn't for the hard work and the many hours of team collaborations that we have endured on this project, then those accolades would never have been gained. Each of those article promotions are as a result of your continuous determination to be part of the best team this project has seen for a long time. There is a teamwork barnstar with this newsletter for you to cherish and you may display the award on your pages if you wish. Now we look to the months ahead and start preparations for Malmo 2013, and see if we can work to getting another annual article to GA status. Here's to you - the team of excellence.
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So far 21 countries have confirmed participation for the Eurovision Song Contest 2013, which is scheduled to take place in Sweden. Please remember to only cite reliable sources when adding countries to the article.
The tenth edition of the Junior Eurovision Song Contest is scheduled to take place on the 1 December 2012, in Amsterdam, Netherlands. Details about confirmed participation are slowly filtering out into the world wide web. Please cite reliable sources when including new information.
Israel announced on 10 July 2012 that they will make their début in Amsterdam. Thus bringing the total number of confirmed participant to 9 countries so far. The contest needs a minimum of eleven in order for the show to continue. The EBU had extended the submission deadline to 29 June 2012, although no further details in regards to the contest has been released.
On 11 May 2012, Norwegian, Eivind Holtsmark Ringstad, won the 16th Eurovision Young Musicians 2012, in Vienna, Austria. This is a biennial event, and the next contest will take place in 2014, with Vienna most likely to be the host nation for a fifth consecutive time.
Glasgow were the hosts of the Eurovision Dance Contest 2008, and since then there have been no announcements of the contest continuing with a third edition.
The RfC discussion in regards to article layout, is still taking place on the project talk page. Could all members please ensure that they participate in the discussion so that we can all agree on important article structure issues. If you don't take part, then you only have yourselves to blame if a consensus is passed that you disagree with.
Creating a page for each country participating in the contest each year. This will give information about the year in Eurovision for that country, like how the song was chosen (selection events), how well it did, any other information about its participation that year.
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Warning: In the Azerbaijan article, the map of Azerbaijan showing its de-jure borders is relentlessly being replaced with map which shows Nagorno-Karabakh as a legitimate entity
User:MauriManya is relentlessly replacing in the infobox of the Azerbaijan article, the map "Azerbaijan (orthographic projection).svg" which shows Azerbaijan with its de-jure borders and is replacing it with the map "Azerbaijan with Nagorno Karabakh and region.svg" which shows Nagorno-Karabakh as a legitimate entity. The user is not impartial and neutral and is only and relentlessly doing this unilateral map replacement in the Azerbaijan article, but interstingly enough not in other articles of countries which are in the same situation as Azerbaijan. Could you watch this user and revert his unilateral map replacements of Azerbaijan in the country article. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.224.142.52 (talk) 10:41, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
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On 11 May 2012, Norwegian, Eivind Holtsmark Ringstad, won the 16th Eurovision Young Musicians 2012, in Vienna, Austria. This is a biennial event, and the next contest will take place in 2014, with Vienna most likely to be the host nation for a fifth consecutive time.
Glasgow were the hosts of the Eurovision Dance Contest 2008, and since then there have been no announcements of the contest continuing with a third edition.
So far 25 countries have confirmed participation for the Eurovision Song Contest 2013, which is scheduled to take place in Sweden. Please remember to only cite reliable sources when adding countries to the article.
The tenth edition of the Junior Eurovision Song Contest is scheduled to take place on the 1 December 2012, in Amsterdam, Netherlands. Details about confirmed participation are slowly filtering out into the world wide web. Please cite reliable sources when including new information.
Albania announced on 25 July 2012 that they will make their début in Amsterdam, and Moldova confirmed their participation. Thus bringing the total number of confirmed participant to eleven countries so far.
Asiavision Pte's Our Sound: The Asia-Pacific Song Contest seems to have been indefinitely postponed. However, the Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union (ABU) are launching their own versions; which are not to be confused with Our Sound or Eurovision Song Contest. The "cultural extravaganza" concept may be the same, but the format is completely different. The Radio Festival will be competitive, while the TV Festival is just a showcase of music so is non-competitive.
ABU Radio Song Festival 2012 - Twenty-six entries from sixteen countries took part in a preliminary selection round. Of those, fifteen have been selected and will perform in the first ABU Radio Song Festival on 11 October 2012.
ABU TV Song Festival 2012 - Thirteen countries have confirmed participation in the first ABU TV Song Festival on 14 October 2012.
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Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
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The London Olympic and Paralympic games have ended, and just as their motto stated, they truly did inspire a generation. This got me thinking how could we as a project for Eurovision related material may be able to inspire the next generation of Eurovision fans? RfC discussions have already underway on the project talk page regarding article layouts, how we can better present our articles to provide a more in-depth knowledge into the contests. One such discussion in regards to layout of Contest by Year articles has already become a success, and provided the project with its first ever GA-class article. So in reality, implementing the same layout across other articles should produce the same output. A similar discussion into layout style for Country in a Contest related articles is also taking place. This project is constantly evolving as more and more editors join the team. We've redesigned the home page for Project Eurovision in a bid it entices new people to join the team. A project can't survive on stale movement, it needs evolution to add excitement to the project. So lets use October to inspire each other to do better, to work more collaboratively, and to entice the next generation of editors to the project team.
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So far 35 countries have confirmed participation for the Eurovision Song Contest 2013, which is scheduled to take place in Malmö. Please remember to only cite reliable sources when adding countries to the article.
7 countries have announced the dates of their national finals.
Andorra, Czech Republic, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, and Morocco confirm they will not be present in Malmö.
Please can we also remember to keep this article well presented based on the layout that was agreed upon via the Project RfC. If in doubt, check Eurovision Song Contest 2012 as an example. That article is using the new layout format and gained the project it's first GA-class on annual pages. Let's maintain that high standard.
The tenth edition of the Junior Eurovision Song Contest is scheduled to take place on the 1 December 2012, in Amsterdam, Netherlands. 12 countries have confirmed their participation with Albania, Azerbaijan, and Israel making their début.
4 countries have already selected either a song, artists, or both. With 6 national selections taking place these next few weeks.
Azerbaijan, Israel, and Moldova have yet to announce their national selection plans.
ABU Radio Song Festival 2012 - Fifteen entries will perform in the first ABU Radio Song Festival on 11 October 2012. Please check for information on this contest as it happens and update the article accordingly.
ABU TV Song Festival 2012 - Eleven countries have confirmed participation in the first ABU TV Song Festival on 14 October 2012. Please check for information on this contest as it happens and update the article accordingly.
Mongolia who had already selected their representative, withdrew from the contest on 14 September.
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I saw your edit on N. Karabakh's claim to independence. I know this "occupied territory" is governed directly from Yerevan, although it seemingly has its own institutions. However, the story looks different from where one looks. I will keep myself restricted to a legal angle: Armenia does not recognize it (neither as independent nor as part of its territory). Therefore the last sentence -accompanied by an Armenian flag- beginning with "Armenia strongly rejects..." has no sense; should be deleted. If you wish, replace it with "Nagorno-Karabakh Republic" strongly rejecting... --E4024 (talk) 09:24, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
I agree, the wording is not good at all. I think you should bring this up on talk of that article, where we can discuss it with involvement of the larger community. Grandmaster20:48, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
Maybe I should, but I already made a minor modification after another editor's contribution in that one. You are right, maybe I should open a discussion there, but I am already very tired of other nationalists in the area surrounding Turkey, my country, and try to avoid more dramas. In case you need help in other contentious areas, where my own sentiments will not make me suffer, please call me. Are there any border disputes or historical conflicts between, say Australia and New Zealand, where I may contribute without my personal idiosyncracy weighing on my back? All the best. --E4024 (talk) 21:02, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
We are almost at the end of another great Eurovision year, with preparations now well under way for the 2013 Eurovision Song Contest. Individual entry articles are slowly appearing at Template:Eurovision Song Contest 2013, although as happens every year, there is tendency to create these article prematurely. Please don't create them without a good two paragraphs of information to post, and with at least two reliable sources of information cited - remember every article has to pass the Wikipedia:Notability guideline independently.
There is a lot going on at WT:EURO at the moment too, and every project member should have this talk page on their watchlist. The current RfC on country article layout is suffering from a lack of participation - myself and others may not agree with every suggestion made, but we won't bite people's heads off, so please feel free to comment! If you feel like you'll be out of your depth over there, you should know that it was a suggestion by a newbie that resulted in a complete re-structuring of all Eurovion templates, so you don't have to be an "old timer" to bring new ideas to the table! On the same page is a proposal to re-license Eurovision logos uploaded locally, and since this will have a big impact on how we handle logos, some further feedback would be appreciated.
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Please can we also remember to keep this article well presented based on the layout that was agreed upon via the Project RfC. If in doubt, check Eurovision Song Contest 2012 as an example. That article is using the new layout format and gained the project it's first GA-class on annual pages. Let's maintain that high standard.
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Please only add countries who have explicitly stated they will be competing, citing a reliable source. Anything not cited may be removed. If in doubt - ask someone for an opinion!
The tenth edition of the Junior Eurovision Song Contest is scheduled to take place on the 1 December 2012, in Amsterdam, Netherlands. Twelve countries have confirmed their participation with Albania, Azerbaijan, and Israel making their début.
As the contest will be starting in the next few weeks, then the article may become subjected to vandalism from random IP accounts. Please be vigilant and revert any vandalism that you find. Thank you.
ABU Radio Song Festival 2012 - On 11 October 2012 the first ABU Radio Song Festival took place in the Korean capital of Seoul. South Korea won the Grand Prix award with the song "For a Rest" performed by boy band Billy Acoustie. Danielle Blakey representing Australia won the gold award with the song "Fearless", Brunei received the silver award with the song "The sweetest memory" performed by Maria Aires, with Sammy Ray Jones also representing Australia receiving the bronze award with his song "Rinet". K-Town Clan representing Malaysia received the special jury award with their song "Party Animal" and thus finished in fifth place.
ABU TV Song Festival 2012 - Eleven countries performed in the first ABU TV Song Festival on 14 October 2012. The contest was non-competitive and thus no winners.
ABU Radio Song Festival 2014 - It was announced on 11 October 2012 that the 2014 Radio Festival will take place in Australia hosted by radio broadcaster ABC Australia.
As it is too soon to start work on the new article, can we please try and avoid creating one. Unless of course, there's enough information out there that would warrant an early creation.
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I understand you have insight into Azerbaijan history. Could you please have a look at the history section of the above article? Thanks. --E4024 (talk) 16:20, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. Indeed the Nakhchivan article itself needs a lot of help. A reference to Armenian tomb stones in Julfa may be OK but such a long and detailed section? Seems like Nakhchivan article is biassed towards that cultural aspect. It lacks much of recent development of Nakhchivan and kind of looks at the NAR from abroad (Yerevan). BTW are the maps in "Armenians in Azerbaijan" article accurate? Best. --E4024 (talk) 18:17, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
The maps represent the Armenian POV. And I agree, the article about Nakhchivan needs a lot of work. And the section on Julfa is blown out of proportion. Grandmaster19:27, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much for you kind wishes. I was away and therefore was not able to see you message in time, so please accept my belated best wishes for the new year. Grandmaster20:10, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Of whom?
I also suspected Kevork was a puppet. Of whom? Are you sure? Yesterday they made several controversial edits at Turkish-Armenian War. I complained to an admin, without referring to my suspicion though, because the edits were enough non-NPOV. If you are sure we can revert those edits. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 16:39, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Another thing: "Anti-Armenian slogans" part is redundant at the Istanbul protest article. (Strangely enough the repetition is in the "reactions" part.) I suggest it should be removed. --E4024 (talk) 22:21, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Dear Chienlit, unfortunately I'm not an expert on Turkey, I'm an expert on Azerbaijan, so if you ever have any questions related to my country, I would be glad to be of help. Regards, Grandmaster19:55, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
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Eurovision-fever is vast upon us with all songs and artists having already been selected, and the contest itself is just around the corner. So we as a collective need to be as vigilant as possible when it comes to content being updated to respective articles connected to Malmö 2013. Please remember to use citations to reliable sources on everything. If in doubt, then use the article talk page and/or the project talk page for open discussion.
The project has yet again gained another accolade on an annual article with the ABU TV Song Festival 2012 receiving GA classification. That is now 3 within a year, with the first being Eurovision Song Contest 2012 back in July last year, and ABU Radio Song Festival 2012 being the second last month. Congratulations once again to everyone who has helped to contribute to those respective articles. Now that we're gaining high accolades, let's see if we can maintain that by continuing to work as a team.
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The eleventh edition of Junior Eurovision is scheduled to take place in Kyiv, Ukraine on 30 November 2013.
Please can we remember to keep this article well presented based on the layout that was agreed upon via the Project RfC. If in doubt, check Eurovision Song Contest 2012 as an example. That article is using the new layout format and gained the project it's first GA-class on annual pages. Let's maintain that high standard.
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The second ABU TV Song Festival is scheduled to take place on 26 October 2013, in the Vietnamese capital of Hanoi. The host broadcaster will be Vietnam Television.
ABU Radio Song Festival 2014 - It was announced on 11 October 2012 that the 2014 Radio Festival will take place in Australia hosted by radio broadcaster ABC Australia.
As it is too soon to start work on the new article, can we please try and avoid creating one. Unless of course, there's enough information out there that would warrant an early creation.
With less than a month to go until we find out who is the winner of the Eurovision Song Contest 2013, the article itself is already looking impressive and is written with such broad scope and covering almost every piece of news in an encyclopaedic style of course. The show hasn't even started and the article is looking very much like a GA-class article. Well done everyone for helping to maintain the high standards of editing on articles as well as engaging in open discussion via the talk pages. Hopefully this should be helping to increase team moral with the project - keep up the good work folks! The ABU have announced the host city for the ABU TV Song Festival 2013 which is due to take place on 26 October 2013. Please could everyone keep a look out across the worldwide web for any news on the festival itself and update the article accordingly.
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This article is coming along very nicely. Very impressed that members are adhering to the layout style and working cooperatively and peacefully as a team. Already the article is looking like a promising GA classification similar to Eurovision Song Contest 2012, and the contest hasn't even begun. Continue with the good work.
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The second ABU TV Song Festival is scheduled to take place on 26 October 2013, in the Vietnamese capital of Hanoi. The host broadcaster will be Vietnam Television.
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ABU Radio Song Festival 2014 - It was announced on 11 October 2012 that the 2014 Radio Festival will take place in Australia hosted by radio broadcaster ABC Australia. As it is too soon to start work on the new article, can we please try and avoid creating one. Unless of course, there's enough information out there that would warrant an early creation.
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WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - May 2013
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Well we have a winner of the Eurovision Song Contest 2013, and the 2014 article is already up and running. However, the work on the 2013 edition is still not complete. Over the next few weeks many editors will be doing the final clean-up operation on the article, and we hope to achieve yet another GA classification on the article in the coming months. We will of course keep you all updated of the progress via the newsletter.
But if you are already starting to get Eurovision withdrawal symptoms, then don't panic. We have the ABU TV Song Festival in Vietnam to look forward to, as well as the Junior Eurovision Song Contest in Kiev. Your contributions to both of these articles are gratefully appreciated. Remember it is teamwork collaborations that help to make this project a success.
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Bonnie Tyler failed to achieve GA status on 8 May 2013, see here for the rejection reasons. If anyone can help to improve the article based on the reasons, then feel free to do so.
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Just in case you've been sleeping under a rock recently, "Only Teardrops", by Danish singer Emmelie de Forest won the 58th Eurovision Song Contest with a score of 281 points.
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The second ABU TV Song Festival is scheduled to take place on 26 October 2013, in the Vietnamese capital of Hanoi. The host broadcaster will be Vietnam Television.
The article is already up and running. Your help to improve the article is gratefully appreciated. Keep a look out for news articles regarding participations etc. So far only Vietnam and Indonesia are confirmed.
ABU Radio Song Festival 2014 - The Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union (ABU) have confirmed that the 2014 Radio Festival will take place in Colombo, Sri Lanka hosted by national broadcaster MBC Networks. As it is too soon to start work on the new article, can we please try and avoid creating one. Unless of course, there's enough information out there that would warrant an early creation.
You just removed the sentence where it said that Armenians say Huseynov didn't kill Monte, would this link, 1, be a good source or should i add another one? Ninetoyadome (talk) 03:13, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
It is better to link directly to a statement of an Armenian official who provides their version of events. This news article just indirectly quotes others, and there's no way to check the veracity of their claims (no inline citations or links). Grandmaster09:43, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
I found an interview, on youtube, with Saro Yeremyan, who was mentioned in the article. He was there with Monte when he died and he is explaining what happened. The video is in Armenian but you can put Russian, or English, captioning. 1. Then there is this article where Ashot Beglaryan, who was also a soldier during the war states the same thing. 2. I cant find any other articles so i guess we can change it from "Armenia has stated" to Saro Yeremyan, Lieutenant Colonel of the Karabakh military, stated that Monte was killed in Merzulli, or something like that. Ninetoyadome (talk) 02:11, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Video cannot be used as a reference, and Beglaryan only quotes what others say. But if you can find a reliable direct statement by an Armenian official or an involved person, you can quote it with a proper attribution. Grandmaster19:59, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - June 2013
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Another month has gone by and with plenty of ups and downs within this project. An RfC has been rebooted on the project talk page (see Project Alerts below for more details). The OGAE articles are undergoing a complete rewrite to make these articles look more presentable and give more encyclopaedic value to them. They were in a disastrous and neglected state previously, so it is about time they got some well needed TLC treatment given to them all. Eurovision Song Contest 2013 is looking near completed, and in preparation for a GA-class submission. A huge thank you to all those who have contributed on that article in the last 12 months - some WikiLove to everyone for your continuous teamwork.
For those of you who have got Eurovision withdrawal symptoms, then don't panic. We have the ABU TV Song Festival 2013 in Vietnam to look forward to, as well as the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2013 in Kiev. Your contributions to both of these articles are gratefully appreciated. Remember it is teamwork collaborations that help to make this project a success. And as always, be on the look out for potential new members to the project. Post {{subst:EurovisionInvite}} (which will produced this template) on any user page you think is interested to join the WikiProject, to officially invite them to join.
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There is a RFC taking place on the project talk page which could do with as many members contributing to it. Your say will help to achieve consensus on how '[Country]' in the Eurovision Song Contest articles should be stylised and written more encyclopaedically for the general audience and not just for the average ESC-fan. Please KEEP IT CIVIL!!!
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OGAE and other articles relating to the organisation are going through an extensive rewriting exercise. Some of the article were in a very poor state, with the lead section of OGAE being an exact word-for-word copy of the "about us" section of OGAE's Facebook page. This was a violation of WP:COPYVIO, and has now been averted thanks to Wesley's hard work fixing the articles.
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The second ABU TV Song Festival is scheduled to take place on 26 October 2013, in the Vietnamese capital of Hanoi in the Opera House. The host broadcaster will be Vietnam Television.
The article is already up and running. Your help to improve the article is gratefully appreciated. Keep a look out for news articles regarding participations etc. So far only Vietnam and Indonesia are confirmed.
The Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union (ABU) have confirmed that the 2014 Radio Festival will take place in Colombo, Sri Lanka hosted by national broadcaster MBC Networks. As it is too soon to start work on the new article, can we please try and avoid creating one. Unless of course, there's enough information out there that would warrant an early creation.
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I would like your opinion for the result of this war. On the talk page you will find my source, "A Global Chronology of Conflict: From the Ancient World to the Modern Middle East", Vol.III, ed. Spencer C. Tucker, (ABC-CLIO, 2010), 1140., which states the Treaty of Erzurum and "status quo antebellum" as the result of this war and User:Someguy1122's opinion that the war was a "Tactical Persian victory". Thank you. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:48, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi, do you have any statistics from the Russian annexion, from Chopin or elsewhere of the population of the city and the ethnic makeup? JediXmaster (talk) 21:28, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes. According to Chopin (pp. 599 - 602) the total number of the population of the city was 5470. Of them 3641 were Muslims, 719 local Armenians and 1110 Armenian immigrants from Persia. Grandmaster20:26, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello Grandmaster,
I'm contacting you because we need some Azerbaijani translators to help with the deployment of the new VisualEditor on az.wikipedia. There are help pages, user guides, and description pages that need translating, as well as the interface itself. The translating work is going on over on MediaWiki: Translation Central. I also need help with a personal message for the Azerbaijani Wikipedians. If you are able to help in any way, either reply here, or head over to TranslationCentral. Thanks for your time, PEarley (WMF) (talk) 19:56, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I'm a bit busy in real life, and currently don't edit much, but I will try to help when I have more time. Regards, Grandmaster22:25, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Salam, zəhmət olmasa Qarabağ futbol klubunun səhifəsinə baxın orada Yerevanci adlı erməni user kluba heç bir aidiyyatı olmayan erməni təbliğatına aid redaktələr etməyə çalışır, həm də aktiv şəkildə. Xahiş edirəm bu userə xəbərdarlıq edin icazə verməyin klubun səhifəsinə aid olmayan redaktələr etsin. Əvvəlcədən minnətdaram. --Nicat49 (talk) 23:58, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
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Might want to keep an eye on this article. IP 46.71.186.34,[20] changed and added a bunch of nonsense. I reverted it all back, but IPs have a habit of returning. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:22, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
That's fine. I am just tired of IPs pushing their POVs and the only way I know of stopping it, is to get established editors together to form a consensus. Thanks anyway. --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:21, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
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