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Pamela Geller

Your recent editing at Pamela Geller appears to be in violation of your WP:TBAN for articles related to the Tea Party movement. Is there some reason you don't believe that to be the case? Roccodrift (talk) 17:49, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

I didn't realize that Geller is connected to the Tea Party movement. I will immediately desist from editing the talk page of the article. Thank you for your help. Good luck with your pending SPI case. — goethean 17:57, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

I disagree - the main nexus is MilesMoney inserting it on the talk page, but it is not, IMO, close enough to warrant any sanctioning. And I trust my post here is not related to the TPm as such. Cheers. Collect (talk) 18:27, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

::*It's gonna be pretty tough to blame Miles this time. [1] But if you wanna try, go for it. Roccodrift (talk) 22:55, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

I probably disagree too. Interpreting the tban this way would almost expand the ban to "US Politics" as almost every notable topic is likely to have some interaction or influence on/by the tea party. Gellar is a tough case to call. She isn't formally part of any of the tea party orgs as far as I know, but she certainly does speak at tea party groups quite often. Also, as her main focus is immigration/islamization, and immigration is a core issue for many tea party groups that makes it risky as well. I would urge goethean to be careful, but I personally would not report/take issue with the type of comments he has made on the talk page thus far. Gaijin42 (talk) 18:31, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Clarification request

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Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gun control/Evidence request

Hi, Goethean, in response to your request, it's a bit hard to count words, but I think you have roughly 900 words now and I believe 87 diffs. You can add to your section keeping a 1,200 word and 110-diff cap in mind. If you end up needing more, please post here or on my talk page and briefly explain why. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:34, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! — goethean 00:10, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Goethean, apparently it would be preferable for you to file a report at WP:SPI rather than add the material to the case. At least you won't have to worry about caps. Sorry for the confusion.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:36, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

double spacing

Hello Goethean,

Maybe you already know this since you're such an active editor, but I saw your edit to the fort lee scandal article, and I thought you might be interested to know that "The number of spaces following the terminal punctuation of a sentence in the wiki markup makes no difference on Wikipedia; the MediaWiki software condenses any number of spaces to just one when rendering the page (see Sentence spacing). For this reason, editors may use any spacing style they prefer on Wikipedia. Multiple spacing styles may coexist in the same article..." per MOS:DOUBLE SPACE. I don't think your edit was harmful, but it also doesn't seem to be a particularly productive use of your editing time. Best, AgnosticAphid talk 18:44, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

I did not know that! — goethean 18:45, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

North8000 Issues

I don't think that your allegations about North8000 are applicable to the current case on Gun control. I would suggest that they be filed at arbitration enforcement if they have to do with the Tea party movement, from which he is topic-banned for being on the "right", just as you have been topic-banned for being on the "left". Also, if you are willing to pull together a record of a pattern of misconduct in a user conduct Request for Comments, I am likely to concur. Your diffs about sock-puppetry appear, at least mostly, to be old, and the Checkusers generally are not interested in reports of sock-puppetry from previous decades. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:59, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

I suppose that an RFCU would be a good first step. — goethean 05:05, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

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There is a Split proposal discussion on the Gun politics in the U.S. talk page that may be of interest to you. Lightbreather (talk) 04:32, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I am taking a break from gun control articles. — goethean 05:11, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

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Lingam

I've seen that book criticized here by Fowler&Fowler at Talk:Wendy Doniger#Reviews of The Hindus, and I'd be happy to simply remove that paragraph. Dougweller (talk) 16:02, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

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WP: Stalking

I'm sure it only looks like your stalking me. So easy to fabricate an accusation. But proof is a different matter. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:44, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

I removed the thirteen links to amazon.com, all for the same book, that you had scattered throughout various articles. Wikipedia is not a tool for the promotion of commercial products. If you feel that my edits do not improve Wikipedia, I suggest that you contact an administrator. — goethean 21:47, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Give it a rest

	Persistence in the face of adversity
	I always felt that I could at least admire Javert's sense of duty, if not his judgment. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 00:52, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

I am sorry that my editing habits offend you. I am no longer looking at your past contributions. I have used Google to find and remove links to Amazon.com, which is not considered a reliable source. If you still feel that I am harassing you, please take it up at WP:ANI. — goethean 16:42, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

I was very angry about your whole resort to WP:ANI. That is done, and I'm over it.

I don't care about your editing habits.

I welcome your contributions. Edit away, please. As, when and how you like.

Please leave me out of it, however.

Life is short, and you alone will have to decide whether auditing me is a good use of your finite time and resources contributing to Wikipedia. I don't want to offend you or bother you. This was meant as an olive branch, honestly. I will not darken your door again, and I hope we will both go unimpeded about our business.

Life is too short to bear a grudge. And driving away good editors — you or me — is bad business for Wikipedia. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:50, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

By the way, if you would like to provide a URL when adding bibliographical information, you could add a link to the Worldcat.org entry rather than the Amazon.com entry. — goethean 16:52, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Good suggestion. Understood. Sorry for coming back so soon after promising I wouldn't. Over and out. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:55, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

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Citation for the book you "bestowed" on me

Luce, Commodore S. B., U. S. Navy; Ward, Aaron, Lieutenant, U.S. Navy; Seabury, S., Lieutenant, U.S. Navy (illustrator) (1834 Copyright © 1997-2007). Text-Book of Seamanship: The Equipping and Handling of Vessels Under Sail or Steam for the Use of the United States Naval Academy (Revised and enlarged ed.). New York: Van Nostrand Company for U.S. Naval Academy/Smith & McDougal, Electrotypers/Historic Naval Ships Association. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |year= (help) 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:09, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Indeed, thanks. — goethean 17:12, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Glossary of nautical terms, Further reading I think this will be really useful to our dear readers. It just keeps growing. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:41, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you sir — goethean 16:09, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Re: Left-Lib

Goethean, this edit ([2]) does not need to be reverted. Honestly, I think the material is pretty good, as it stresses common leftist and libertarian commitments, but I'm not sure there is a way to phrase it in a way that will sate other editors' claims of POV. For example, the libertarian commitment to self-ownership is POV to some libertarian socialists, but individual autonomy redirects there too. Similarly, talk of free markets is usually tainted by capitalist rhetoric even though, technically speaking, it is a libertarian commitment; freed markets, on the other hand, is a relatively obscure term for the same concept, packaged with an explicit critique of the privileges plaguing capitalist "free markets." I couldn't get anyone to work with me on finding a way to present this information without POV language, so I just let it fall away. I would prefer to see the material reinstated in a NPOV manner, but I don't think the article suffers much from its absence. -- MisterDub (talk | contribs) 15:39, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. — goethean 16:10, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

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Goethean Hi Mate, Just found out that you are Wikipedia's "one of the 2000 most active Wikipedians." Congratulations. Thank you for keeping the Hindu Temples Lists up todate there are over 400 Hindu Temples in US, which are currently not on Wiki. I thought I'd ask your suggestions / advice on the lists of Hindu temples, How can we add the 400 + Hindu temples to Wikipedia and As I'm new here can the link to the directory be kept in an appropriate place as per wikipedia standards Thanks Dhorsetrader (talk) 04:36, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi, thank you very much for the trophy!

I recently removed from List of Hindu temples in the United States all entries for any Hindu temple which did not have its own wiki article. My model for these edits was the article List of Presbyterian churches in the United States, which only lists notable Presbyterian churches in the United States. If you take a look at what the article look like previous to my edits,[3] and compare it with how it looks now, I think that my edits were a substantial improvement. Previously, it was unclear if much of the information was accurate or up to date. Some of the temples on the list could have moved or closed. We don't need addresses and phone numbers of the temples, as Wikipedia is not a directory or an indiscriminate collection of information. I knew that there would be some negative reaction to my edit, because lots of people like to use Wikipedia to promote their particular temple or website. But I would like to stick with the policy that the list only include temples which have a Wikipedia article about them. — goethean 12:08, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

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Hi, can you help in GA for Sri Aurobindo, its taking lot of time and efforts Shrikanthv (talk) 14:35, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I'll take a look and see what I can do. — goethean 14:39, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Glancing at the list

of editors who have been topic banned around the tea party makes me feel sort of left out, missing what must have been quite a party. And since I am in Arizona right now, the only state I know of where you can get a state approved TEA PARTY LICENSE PLATE, I have things that I could say. Oh well, having been banned from the Men's Movement for a bit (for suggesting that all the editors showing up as red links might be doing it because they are communists) I know the thrill involved in these things. Life is supposed to be interesting. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 00:22, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Nice to make your acquaintance. Think of it this way: you missed the dispute but now you can edit and improve the articles without interference (there are a lot of articles which relate to the tea party, all of which I am banned from). — goethean 13:23, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Likewise I'm sure. Well that is food for thought. make that, erin for thought.

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Hi there,

I had to revert your version as someone had changed the page just before you to practically blank it, which needed to be reverted. You may want to take a look at the version you edited and re-add it. Sorry about that! Calvinkarpenko (talk) 16:25, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

I did restore it (and AN/I); thanks Calvin for the explanation for the blanking. Nate • (chatter) 16:29, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks guys. — goethean 16:34, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

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thank you

Hey Goethean. Just wanted to say thanks for your "thanks"(!) I get so paranoid mentioning Harrison at those Beatle talk pages sometimes – as if I'm committing sacrilege by daring to disturb the established McCartney-Lennon-Martin order … So it was quite a relief to get that notification from you, I must say! Best, JG66 (talk) 15:14, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

I just thought that your comment made a ton of sense. — goethean 15:22, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

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Please continue discussion on talk page responding specifically to this edit. Jyoti (talk) 16:16, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate your abuse of a Wikipedia template in the service of your effort to have well-sourced, neutrally-presented material removed from the Ramakrishna article. Your proposed edit has no consensus on the talk page. Additionally, it is completely asinine. — goethean 16:17, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

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"document that [A Thief in the Night] engagees in premellenialist dispensationalist theology"

You can't be serious. Did you try googling "left behind" dispensationalism? --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 17:09, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Please see WP:V and WP:RS. Thanks! — goethean 17:11, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Of course, the article is A Thief in the Night, and I apologize for that mistake. Still, Left Behind is largely an updating of the former and is cut from the same theological cloth. Googling "thief in the night" dispensationalism is also diagnostic. --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 17:13, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

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Nevertheless, I may still articulate my utter disbelief that you seriously doubt the fact that you have challenged. Do you know the storyline of Thief? Do yo know what dispensationalism entails? Seriously. --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 17:19, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Now that I look, I see that the necessary source was already in the previous sentence. Seriously. --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 17:21, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

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Goethe's Religious Views

The reasons you gave for undoing the information I provided are risible and absurd. I doubt that you have ever studied the historical method, as you would know that older historical accounts are more reliable than newer ones, as they're closer to that person's time and have less time to be corrupted. Moreover, there is a multicultural period of historiography today that attempts to make historical geniuses out to be atheists or homosexuals, and often causes secular historians to fabricate information along the way. Just look at the ridiculous claims that Laplace was an atheist or Abraham Lincoln a homosexual. All I've given is reliable information that effectively refutes that point, and you only betray Wikipedia's integrity to the truth when you attempt to hide that information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.215.8.245 (talk) 01:11, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

I reverted the user above, Goethean, as they gave no reason for their revert at Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. ImprovingWiki (talk) 01:25, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Gothean I replied to the above poster's jarring incoherence for reverting my revert on his own talk page.

My reasons were not incoherent. They were perfectly coherent, whether you agreed with them or not. ImprovingWiki (talk) 02:34, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

I do not care to argue that point further. You originally said that you edited what I wrote because I gave no reason. When I did give a reason in compliance with your wishes, you still undid what I added. Is that not agreement enough. What more would you like? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.215.8.245 (talk) 02:50, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

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Help Akshardham Environment Violation Section & Protest at launch event for Book

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If you have time would you please take a look at this article: [7] and this discussion [8] and provide your input. There is a content dispute occurring and I feel fresh eyes would help because of your experience. [9].

Also, if you have time , could you see if you have anything additional to add to this talk page? There was a book launch [10] and a translation author was asked not to come because she is a woman and an organization prohibits their holy men from looking at women. This is not typical in normal Hinduism but this is a practice in this branch. The person was offended and there was public outcry. Is this considered something that is notable and included?

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Three of Spinoza's ideas

In 2007, which is a long time ago, you have written the starting article for the topic Pantheism controversy.

You wrote:

The attraction of Spinoza's philosophy to late eighteenth-century Europeans was that it provided an alternative to Materialism, Atheism, and Deism. Three of Spinoza's ideas strongly appealed to them:

the unity of all that exists;

the regularity of all that happens; and

the identity of spirit and nature.

I am very interested to know where these three ideas are to be found as a list in any literature on the subject? Thanks in advance!

Ingmardb (talk) 19:02, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

I don't know the answer to your question. The text was originally added to the Spinoza article by User:Lestrade[11] in May 2006. — goethean 19:16, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

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Temporal lobe epilepsy

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