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Solder signing

I know it happened, but can you provide a source? Go back and revise that and in your notes provide something like this: http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=2&cid=1092214&nid=5395927&fhn=1 Fresh Prince Carlton (talk) 18:55, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

We don't add links in our edit summaries when adding moves to the template. It's completely unnecessary and just clutters up the history.--Giants27(T|C) 19:18, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

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Your GA Review

Hello Giants. I'm sorry if that comment offended you, again, not at all my intention. Apologies on that point. I'm sorry, but not even the references are properly formatted. None of the news sources are in italics, none use the "Cite news" template, and most are missing publishers and accessdates. If you want clear examples, #11 and 12 are not in italics, have no accessdates or publishers. Additionally, they use the "Cite web" instead of the former. These are basic issues that need to be addressed before a nomination. Trust me, I've been through these a million times, having written almost 50 myself. These are basic GA requirements. Good luck!--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 07:36, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Aaron Maybin

He was waived and it has been reported by numerous reliable sources. It's not like he can be pulled off waivers and he is no longer a member of the Bills. On top of this, it is not always reported when someone clears waivers, unless they were claimed. So, the move is official and he is a free agent (well, on waivers, but since he has no team, he is listed as a free agent). Cheers,--Giants27(T|C) 19:47, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

It is now 4pm ET and he has been waived and is subject to waivers. Prior to now, there was only a report he would be waived. No matter how reliable the sources are, transactions do not take place until 4pm ET. Furthermore, he is not a free agent unless he clears waivers, which will not be known until 4pm ET tomorrow. Just because reliable sources indicate something wil happen does not in fact mean it has already happened. Even if reliable sources indicate the Panthers (the team first in line to claim players on the waiver wire) were to report that they had indeed claimed him, the transaction would not in-fact occur until 4pm ET. Sorry for being such a stickler over this, but reporting events before they happen as if they have already happened, regardless of how certain it is they will happen, is simply inaccurate. Bhirsch (talk) 20:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

While that may be true, the "regular" editors of roster templates and player pages here have never followed this "after 4PM thing" because right now, all transactions are official once announced, which means that no matter the deadline, it has gone through. So, please cease reverting articles because it is not after 4PM ET, unless there is a source saying it hasn't happened. If numerous reliable sources are reporting something as done, it is done.--Giants27(T|C) 20:12, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

My mistake. I thought Wikipedia was an encyclopedic record of facts. By all means, let's continue to claim something has happened in the past tense before it actually happens because reliable sources claim it will happen. I wonder if the article subjects themselves would mind being called free agents when they are in-fact not. I guess you could explain to them that reliable sources indicate that they will clear waivers. Bookmakers have NE as the odds-on Super Bowl favorite. Perhaps Super_Bowl_XLVI should list them as the winner. Bhirsch (talk) 20:25, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Wow. He was waived, thus he was placed on waivers, so he is no longer a member of the Bills, so based on your argument of being accurate, he should be listed as being on waivers, but since we don't do that, he is listed as being as a free agent, which is far more accurate than listing him as a Bill. I also never said that he cleared waivers, but rather that he was waived. There is no listing that works for describing this in the infobox, other than "Free Agent". Plus, as I said, reliable sources have said that he was waived, not that he cleared waivers, but that he was waived, which is true.--Giants27(T|C) 20:33, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

He was a member of the bills until 4pm ET. I stopped reverting at 4pm ET. There are at least two times in recent memory where reliable sources indicated a player would be waived, but he was not for several more days. Wikipedia erroneously noted those players as being free agents when they weren't and one was subject to waiver claims upon release anyway. Reliable sources claiming something will happen are not the same as reliable reports that something did happen. Did Vince Young's article indicate he was a free agent when Bud Adams announced he would be waived, even though it was months before the transaction occurred? Just because everyone who edits player pages puts inaccurate information in does not dictate that such information is accurate. But, like I said, my mistake for treating wp like an encyclopedia. By all means, please continue to insist on including information known to be inaccurate. Bhirsch (talk) 00:49, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

The way I see it, if he isn't a member of the Bills nor any other team he has to be considered a free agent. I've only seen one instance in which a player was waived and subsequently recalled from waivers by the original team (Martell Mallett by the Eagles last year). The Eagles did not hold his rights after he was waived, however. The |currentteam parameter, when blank, gives the reader the assumption that he is a free agent, as does "Free Agent" in the parameter. It doesn't really matter IMO right now. Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:13, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Teams technically have the right to claim players they placed on waivers -- I believe they are last in line if they were to submit a claim. Although this may have changed with the new CBA. Until a player clears waivers. he is more a member of the team that waved him than he is a free agent. Omitting a roster status is far better than listing the wrong one. Bhirsch (talk) 00:57, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Rick Rypien

I provided a link that cited Rypien's home as Crowsnest Pass, Alberta and not Coleman, Alberta. I realize that Coleman is a more local area, but all references regarding his death has his home listed as Crowsnest Pass. Jasonstru (talk) 01:56, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but with deaths and more important events, usually citing multiple references for further confirmation is a good idea.--Giants27(T|C) 01:57, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2011 July newsletter

The finals are upon us; we're down to the last few. One of the eight remaining contestants will be this year's WikiCup champion! 150 was the score needed to progress to the final; just under double the 76 required to reach round 4, and more than triple the 41 required to reach round 3. Our eight finalists are:

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