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I need your advice on a particular garden that needs tending...
Hi,
I need help from an experienced Wikipedian, and I was glad to see your name over at WP:ADOPT.
Increase awareness of readers of the existence of the outlines on Wikipedia
Complete the existing outlines
Create an outline for every subject that is exensive enough to benefit from having an outline (core subjects and major or extensive fields). There are thousands of these.
Recruit as many editors to work on these as possible (we need thousands of editors working on these)
Surpass portals in number by the end of the summer, and leave them in the dust by the end of the year
Get the major outline subject areas displayed on the Main Page (in place of or in addition to the portal links at the top of the page)
Increase the OOK to higher quality than Britannica's Outline of Knowledge (published in its Propaedia volume).
I was hoping you could comment on how to achieve the goals above.
Also I'm interested in every possible way of reaching readers and editors of Wikipedia. How can I get the most eyes and typing fingers on Wikipedia's outlines? Contacting editors directly without a reason relevant to them is spam, which I'd like to avoid. There are 75,000 regular editors on Wikipedia, and I want to contact all of them. So how do I do it? Directly or indirectly, I don't care which, piecemeal or all-at-once, all methods are fine with me. But I've got to find ways. I need your help.
I would also like to know how to find or attract editors to create new outlines. And I need advice on finding editors to help write the new outline article mentioned above (it needs to be fleshed out, completely referenced, and brought to featured article status).
Can you recommend anyone in particular who might be interested in sinking their teeth into a project like this? Or ways to reach groups of editors? Or ways to reach all editors? I welcome any and all advice you might have.
"Article Alerts" are available on our Eurovision project page and show which project related articles are tagged for things such as deletion, GA review, peer review, etc. Take a look and do what you can to help out.
Thanks to Afkatk's recent tagging and assessing spree, there are now over 2,700 articles associated with the project and all are assessed. If you happen to see a Eurovision related article without the {{EurovisionNotice}} template on the article's talk page, please add it. You can also read Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment if you would like to help reassess articles in our project if you see that they have outgrown their current assessment.
F. Y. R. Macedonia is threatening to withdraw from the 2010 Contest with the reasoning that it has come tenth twice in successive years in the semi final stage, but has failed to proceed to the final in both instances.
More than a dozen countries have already confirmed their participation for the 2010 Contest. The countries confirmed so far can be seen here.
Welcome to the tenth edition of the WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter!
This month was a very busy month in terms of editing and adding to Eurovision 2009 articles. The 2009 contest is now over but there is still much work to be done.
Some Country in ESC 2009 pages are yet to have their "At Eurovision" sections updated. Some countries need more information than others, e.g. Slovenia's article needs to mention that the song was actually sung in Slovenian and English, and not just English like in the official mp3, etc.
Work has begun on the 2010 contest article already. Please do not add sections to the article about confirmed participants or withdrawn participants unless you have a source!
I have no idea what/why you guys are going on about, and don't have time to investigate, but I dropped a note here to draw eyes. Please put down the tools for now, and discuss it there. rootology/equality12:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
"Well, I remember hearing girls behind me in English class talking about turning 18 and being old enough to strip. It wasn't that weird at the time.'" - Brandon Flowers
Project news
John Frusciante and U2 were featured on the Main Page on May 2 and 26.
hey i think this is where i talk to you, you just deleted my page and you said something about noteability, is it noteable enough to have appeared on a radio station known as radio wey (heard not only accross the uk but accross the world) for over an hour? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hkazandjian (talk • contribs) 13:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
WP:GREECE
Hi! Lately, it is not the most active project in the world, but if I can provide any useful input to you, I am available!--Yannismarou (talk) 17:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
User:Fox/June 2009 has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
and therefore, I've officially declared today as Fox/June 2009's day!
For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian,
enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Fox/June 2009!
Hi Garden-just wondering, for the rhs element of your userpage, which bit makes it go on the right & how would I make one that appears on the left? Cheers! Dotty••|☎07:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for your previous advice. Per your suggestion, I've started a discussion over at WikiCup concerning our possible inclusion next year.
I've got another problem perhaps you can help with. I've been immersed in this project for so long that I'm pretty sure I'm missing things that would be obvious to someone not closely connected with the project.
Like gaps in coverage.
Would you please take a look at the OOK and tell me what's sorely missing?
Wow, what a big start to Round 3! We already have people past the 50 point mark, in one week. We can tell that this round is going to be tight, and we'll likely see every Top 8 contestant with over 500 (maybe 400) points by the end of this round. Keep working hard! – weburiedoursecretsinthegarden, iMatthew : Chat , and TheHelpfulOne
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Turns out last week's newsletter was never sent out. Sorry about that! Since we already had it done, we are sending you both. This newsletter is the one for this week though. Anyway, we're seeing you guys working really hard. There are a few of you over 100 points in the first two weeks. Also, we have switched Ottava Rima from Pool D to Pool B, and Shoemaker's Holiday (who has withdrawn) from Pool B to Pool D. Scorpion0422 is more than likely to withdraw before this round ends, because he will be inactive next round. That would leave 2 contestants in Pool B. So, to make things fairly even, we have switched the two contestants. Sorry for all of the confusion!
Finally, we know it's very early, but you can already sign up for the 2010 WikiCup, here! We want to get everything ready way in advance for next year. So we opened the list up, and we'll start working things out in September/October, most likely. Information is all on the page, and you may leave any questions on the talk page. So go sign up before your favorite flag is taken! 'weburiedoursecretsinthegarden, iMatthew : Chat , and TheHelpfulOne
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What should we do about that flag situation? I'm leaning towards limiting it to Countries, States, Cities, Continents (the basics). You? – (iMatthew • talk) at 21:12, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
WPOOK's advert banner is done!
Is it perfect? Can it be improved?
Penubag loves feedback. Please let him know if it can be further improved.
Hello, Garden. Welcome to the Amazing Race Wikipedia. In your travels, you will encounter two types of tasks. In a Detour, you have a choice between two tasks. Both of you must work together on this. In a Roadblock, one team member must work on a task alone. Your Amazing Race Wikipedia submissions page is located here. Enjoy the competition! Best, Shappy (talk·contribs) and Firestorm (talk·contribs).
19:54, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Outline update - Full Steam Ahead! - 06/18/2009
Several members of the WikiProject have been hard at work.
Buaidh has been building and refining the outlines on the U.S. States, the states' historical outlines, and the Historical outline of the United States. Lately, his edits have dominated the project's watchlist readout. (I think he's overdue for a barnstar or two. hint hint)
Penubag has been working on medals for all the main branches of the OOK, and has completed the OOK WikiProject's animated advert banner (see below).
Highfields has been filling in the currencies for each country on their respective outlines.
NuclearWarfare and Thehelpfulone have been busy with WP:AWB, posting banners and notices, and helping our sister project, the Index WikiProject, get established. Indexes work hand-in-hand with the outlines and are prominently linked to from the top of most of them. And the outlines, which serve as tables of contents, are only as good as the pages they link to.
Since we started integrating (linking) the OOK and its support pages into the encyclopedia and into the Wikipedia community, activity on outlines has been increasing. Though there's still much left to do.
MacMed has joined our advanced wiki-tools team, and is currently adding links to outlines in the corresponding subject articles' see also sections.
Be sure to stop by their talk pages and say "hi".
WPOOK's advert banner has gone live!
Penubag has finished this WikiProject's animated advert banner, and it is now being displayed on the Wikipedia ads template which in turn is displayed on about 2000 user pages. Each time someone access one of those pages, there is a 1 in 184 chance of them viewing this:
I discovered an AfD discussion on possibly the first article named "Outline of", which was called Outline of Islamic and Muslim related topics, and which was created 4 years ago. Of course they deleted it. But now it has many friends, and so it has risen from the dead. :)
When G716 found the page "Learn" tucked away as a subpage of the Probability WikiProject, he thought "This deserves to be in the article space", and moved it to the encyclopedia. See Outline of probability.
Recruiting
Recruiters needed. Drop me a note if you are interested.
Astatine-210 - add a link to the outlines to the disambiguation pages of the corresponding subjects - good idea. Since "Outline" is just the type of page, not the subject, I think these might qualify for inclusion on disambiguation pages. We need someone to look into the relevant guidelines on this.
SimonTrew - provide a badge (userbox) for WPOOK members to add to their user pages - Penubag will have one for us soon.
Zachary crimsonwolf - create a card explaining outlines, and send it to everyone you know, and make it viral (by including a request for the recipients to send the card to everyone they know) - this task has been split in three:
Creation of a "thank you for your interest" card which introduces (explains) outlines, to send to queriers, new participants to discussions, those who seem to be confused about outlines, etc.
Creation of a thank you card / invitation to the WPOOK, to send to users we see working on outlines, including a request for them to invite others whom they think might be interested
3. Creation of an invitation to Wikignomes, with a brief rundown on the types of tasks there are for them to do on the outlines. The invitation will include a request for them to invite anyone they think would enjoy working on outlines.
weebiloobil - add a picture to Wikipedia:Outlines (it doesn't have to be relevant), to provide atmosphere and to break it up visually and add a splash of color - will do, and we'll add a caption to make it relevant, with a link to the outline on that subject. Thank you for the idea.
Zachary crimsonwolf - ask Jimbo Wales to bestow the award(s) for the country outlines contest, once you get it going first - we'll give that a try
Zachary crimsonwolf - ask everyone in the project to inform their acquaintances around Wikipedia about the OOK - will do, as soon as the cards
UzEE - collaborate with all the WikiProjects you share scope with - we've placed a banner on their talk pages, and have placed task notices on some. We'll be posting more tasks, and plan to create a section on contents system development and maintenance for each WikiProject page itself.
SriMesh - if you can't get outlines added to next year's WikiCup, then create your own WikiCup-like contest - there's 6 months left to this year to address reservations and work out the details at WikiCup. In the meantime, there's the 200-WikiProject contest, which needs input.
Outline of psychology - someone moved a big chunk of this article to the talk page, leaving a big gap in the outline. Editors are needed to add subheadings and links.
See also links - add {{main|Outline of x}} (where "x" is the subject) to the see also section of the corresponding subject article of each outline
I was wondering to ask you: Could you please (if it´s not a big bothering) give me some quick lessons or teach me in this shape shifting formatting you have? I would like to use it in some other things. - Damërung...ÏìíÏ..._Ξ_. -- 06:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
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(You can use the wikicode for the links above as the basis for new searches - just replace "Gibraltar" with any other country or region name).
Request: please redirect the redlinks! (bluelinking...)
The redlinks need to be bluelinked where possible. The most useful way is to create redirects leading to the material (which is usually included in a section of an article - see Wikipedia:Redirect#Redirects to page sections. That way, when the redirect pages are replaced by the actual articles, the links will already point to the right places.
For the barnstar and the praise. Ego's inflating nicely.
I'm working through Silent Alarm at the minute. Do you fancy finishing off Intimacy whilst I do that so we can send them both to GA and FA at the same time? Rafablu88 (talk) 20:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
That's great. I don't think I'm gonna follow the FBC template point-by-point by it does give nice markers. I reckon it should be FAC ready a week from now at the latest. I don't mind if you want to edit it at any point. I'll have a look at Intimacy while you finish it off as well. Follow AWITC more on that. Rafablu88 (talk) 20:59, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
It's done. :D Pop in at your convenience on the FAC page to add any welcoming comments. Hopefully it'll be a straighforward process. Rafablu8821:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
No probs. I've got a week or so totally off before I get into summer mode and also start a job soon. That's why I worked flat out to get it to FAC. Rafablu8821:48, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Highfields is integrating the OOK into the encyclopedia by deorphanizing outlines by placing a {{main}} link in the see also section of the subject articles that have a corresponding outline.
The current consensus is that we can't place a hatnote leading to an outline at the top of a subject articles unless the outline being presented is of at least the same quality-level as the article.
What's next...
Improve outline quality by completing them.
Place hatnotes for the outlines of high enough quality.
Guidelines pertaining to outlines need to be updated. Outlines emerged as a class of pages only a few months ago, and most of the relevant guidelines don't cover them specifically. For example, Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists is incredibly out of date.
Invite wikignomes, wikielves, and wikifairies (all 2500+ of them) to help on the outlines .
Identify 600 more subjects with coverage extensive enough to justify outlines, create rudimentary drafts for them, and post notices to the corresponding WikiProjects and subject talk pages to help build them.
Convert outlines titled "List of" to outline articles, and add them to the OOK. There are a few hundred of these. Conversion instructions are needed.
I tried to fix it, but I can't. It doesn't seem to randomly create the colours, as it's supposed to. Thanks in advance. Adityaαß17:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
You have exams in August? Or you get results in August? 29 is the upper limit of what I can survive. 20-23 with a light breeze is perfect. Which of course explains why I moved back to humid Toronto instead of staying in paradise. Blergh. → ROUX₪22:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Denmark? Very cool. I'd love to go there. An ex and I had a similar experience when we visited North Carolina. Air conditioned plane, air conditioned airport.. walk out into 40+ weather. We nearly turned around and flew back home. → ROUX₪22:18, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
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Hello, Shappy. This is a reminder that Amazing Race Wikipedia will start very soon. At 00.00 (or whereabouts), our host Firestorm will place the first Detour on your submissions page. Again, the Detour is a choice between two tasks; both members of the team choose one task and work together to complete it. A Roadblock is a task only one team member must perform; he/she may not have any help from the other team member. Good luck and enjoy the Race! :-) Shappy (talk·contribs) and Firestorm (talk·contribs)
--EdwardsBot (talk) 13:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)