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Cornwall and Hull

I was doing research for the CJHL and it turns out that the Cornwall Royals that joined the QMJHL were the same that played in the CJHL, and actually were turned away by the OHL before joining the "Q".

Also, what is now the Gattineau Olympiques began as the Hull Hawks of the CJHL and moved to the "Q" in 1973.

Hope this helps. DMighton 22:09, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Memorial Cup Scoring Leaders

Do you have access to a list of previous scoring leaders for the Memorial Cup? The Ed Chynoweth Trophy was only awarded starting in 1996 but it would be nice to have a complete list that predates the trophy as well, similarly to the Eddie Powers article. BoojiBoy 21:27, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I suggest reading The Memorial Cup: Canada's National Junior Hockey Championship by Richard M. Lapp and Alex Macaulay. ISBN: 1-55017-170-4 Flibirigit 22:15, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I missed one last year

FYI: CHL Top Draft Prospect Award. Somehow I missed making this one last year along with all the other CHL trophy articles I created. Thought you might want to have a look. BoojiBoy 17:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Apparently I overlooked that also. Flibirigit 17:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

CHL Awards

Thanks for uploading all the great pictures of the CHL trophies. I wish the OHL would allow easier access to its trophies for similar photos. Flibirigit 17:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I was actually quite disappointed that the WHL didn't have very many of their own trophies available. The CHL certainly put up an impressive display in Vancouver, however. Resolute 18:39, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Junior Canadiens

Hi Flibirigit, I spent an afternoon in the archives this week and copied out OHL playoff results from the Globe and Mail from 1963-64 to 1974 (and I'm going back today to get the numbers from 1974-75, which I forgot we didn't have). It's inconceivable to me that the OHL office doesn't make this information available, but hey, it should be available somewhere, so Wikipedia may as well be it. I still have to add yearly results to the HAM, STC, MON and NF pages.

I thought that you might want to know something else I learned from the Globe and Mail - exactly what happened between the Junior Canadiens and Kingston and Rouyn-Noranda. Apparently in the spring of 1972, when Hap Emms was moving the Flyers north to Sudbury, the league was taking expansion bids from Soo, Thunder Bay and Kingston. The league rejected all three, and supposedly Tom Smythe of the Marlies was the one who was the main person against, because it would mean more home games and MLG was already booked so solid he was having trouble getting dates. After an uproar, the Sault was admitted as a rival to Sudbury, while T-Bay and Kingston were rejected. Meanwhile, the Junior Canadiens were under threat of a lawsuit from the QMJHL, who wanted them back in their league (and obviously wanted a presence in the biggest city in Quebec). The team owner applied for, and received, a year's suspension from the OHL, although the Globe reported "The team will likely not be back in the OHA". The next season, the QMJHL officially admitted a team under the same ownership and with a lot of the same players called the Montreal Blue Red and White, and the QMJHL considered this team the same as the Junior Habs although they were not allowed to use the name. Meanwhile, the OHA officially resurrected the "suspended operations" Junior Habs the following season and "moved" them to Kingston, even though there was new ownership and players.

So in answer to the question of who the legitimate successor to the Montreal Junior Canadiens is, the answer is "both, and neither". The Q team got the arena, ownership and players, while the O team got the name and place in the OHA. Or, to rephrase, if you ask the OHL office, Kingston is the Junior Habs, while if you ask the Q office, Rouyn-Noranda is.

Weird, eh? BoojiBoy 16:02, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

BoojiBoy, I remember reading a similar story about the Jr. Canadiens, but I could never figure out where I read it or find the source. What I recall reading is approximately the followng:

the owners of the Junior Canadiens were in financial trouble and took a year off to sort out their business.
the "oha franchise spot" was revived by the same owners in Kingston after a year off.

As you can see this is different than what you have mentioned. I am more inclined to believe that the Junior Habs franchise became the Montreal Bleu Blanc Rouge, along the lines of common ownership, players etc. See also the discussion archived at WikiProject Ice Hockey.

SEE HERE! Flibirigit 16:56, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I know all that and I agree with it. I thought you would be interested in learning what I got out of the Globe and Mail at the time it was happening. BoojiBoy 18:07, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

This needs to be mentioned on the articles for the teams involved. How should we incorporate this into the articles? Maybe it could be mentioned in the Ontario Hockey League history article instead? Flibirigit 18:17, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I think that it should be mentioned in OHL history. I agree that the Junior Habs are the Huskies while the Kingston Canadians have only a tangential claim. Maybe the whole thing could be mentioned on the Kingston page too. BoojiBoy 18:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Also, if you have a copy of the Lapp/MacAulay book about the Memorial Cup, could you maybe add the Richardson Trophy games to the playoff results sections? Right now I have them going straight from the OHA playoffs to the Memorial Cup since I don't have the Eastern results handy. BoojiBoy 18:32, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

MMJHL

I know that there was a Metro Junior Hockey League that ended up being the Quebec Junior AAA Hockey League in the 80s... past that I would have to attempt to look deeper. DMighton 04:35, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

"The Drummondville Rangers joined the Quebec Junior Hockey League in 1966. In 1969, the league merged with the Montreal Metro Junior Hockey League to form the QMJHL. The Rangers were a charter member. In 1974, the team ceased operations." DMighton 09:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm looking for sources online without much luck. When I have more time I will try searching en français. Flibirigit 16:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Your theory on the MMJHL and QJHL, as far as I can tell is 100% correct... it was a merger and created the QMJHL. DMighton 22:39, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Fradulent Info

A user named SteveJohnsonQMJHL seems being trying to make up a player: AJ Rivers (he put him into the draft, created a page, and seems to making up stats)...As a Wikipedia rookie, I have no idea how to handle this and thought I would leave it with you. Thanks, Chesterfield99 02:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I will have a look. I would also suggest posting the concern to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey for further assistance. Flibirigit 02:20, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

The player is on hockeydb as a Major Junior player... but he never did anything past that. DMighton 04:53, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Exactly...he played two years in the Q, but if you look closely, to an original posting, his position in the draft even looks fabricated. Chesterfield99 18:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Le Collège Français de Longueuil

Contents moved to Talk:Le Collège Français de Longueuil.

Incorrect Interwiki

Your recent addition of fr:Coupe Telus - Offensif has been removed from Telus Cup article, and placed on Telus Cup – Offensive article where it belongs. Flibirigit (talk) 04:59, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, corrected it on fr: too, error came from an incorrect iw link on fr:wp: Phe-bot (talk) 08:23, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

QMJHL History

Did you ever find any Pre-Q history? DMighton (talk) 06:03, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

No, sorry. Flibirigit (talk) 06:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Any idea what the Roster will be for the Montreal Q team?

Discussion moved to Talk:Montreal Junior Hockey Club.

Prince Albert Raiders

Now that I've looked at it again, I agree with you that the paragraph in question should be moved to the article on the arena instead. Just make sure you explain major chnages in the summary when you do them so people understand why. Thanks, Kevlar67 09:44, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I can't say I could add much to that page based on my own knowledge. I only got invloved with it to cross-link it the bio-stub I wrote for Kyle Chipchura who plays for PA. That's why I had it on my watch-list and why I saw the changes you made. Sorry if gave you the wrong impression that I was deeply dedicated to the Raiders. Kevlar67 04:05, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Founding of Flin Flon Bombers

I am certain the Bombers history predates the WCHL, as my grandfather played for them in the early 50s. Whether it is continuous or not, I am not certain, and will definitely have to check it out. It is extremely likely that the Bombers predated the WCHL, and simply shifted from the SJHL like most other Saskatchewan teams did. The conflict with the Spokane Flyers exists because I used the WCHL franchise date for the Bombers rather than the team's original franchise date. I'm going to clarify that in the article. I am undecided if the infobox should say the Bombers existed from 1927 or from 1967 though. Resolute 05:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Keep me posted. Flibirigit 08:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Western Hockey League / Saskatoon Blades logos

You know, if you look at it closely, it can be described as a skate with "SB" as the blade. What an ambiguous logo. Personally, I would suggest removing that line altogether. It is quite redundant with the logo right beside it anyway. Resolute 06:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd rather see it removed myself, but it's part of the suggested article structure for Wiki Ice Hockey. For the Ontario Hockey League teams, I removed it from all 20 teams, and created a "Logos and Uniforms" section. Would you be able to do that for all 22 Western Hockey League teams? Flibirigit 18:11, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that is probably something I could do. Though I tend not to follow the team article structure all that strictly as it is horribly out of date. Resolute 22:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I have the same task on my to do list for the QMJHL, but I am so busy with work this time of year, I haven't had time to do much. Flibirigit 05:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

The Giants

Moved contents to Talk:Vancouver Giants.

AB Titan Championships

I used the same format as for the WHL, so please stop reverting my edits. Mtlfiredude (talk) 13:38, 30 May 2018 (UTC)