User talk:FMSky/Archive 5

It doesn't make sense

It doesn't make sense, because according to this reasoning on every page the captions should end with a period, very few captions are fragmented sentences. I don't understand. I made a lot of changes changing the captions. At this point you should carefully check all captions on all pages I've edited, and not just my own edits. JackkBrown (talk) 10:24, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:CAPFRAGS is pretty clear though... If you're not sure just dont edit captions i guess --FMSky (talk) 10:29, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@FMSky: That's why it would be correct for you to check all the pages I edited and not just my edits on these pages, because surely other sentences need the end point. Reverting only my changes (which are not all errors, so don't use rollback), the page would still contain misses. JackkBrown (talk) 10:38, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'll maybe do that later, but in the meantime pls only edit captions when you're 100% sure --FMSky (talk) 10:43, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
also this: "This page is full of captions that, in your opinion, need the point. Either we change all the captions, or we proceed to leave the dots only when the caption has more sentence" https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stan_Laurel&diff=prev&oldid=1128096565 is complete nonsense and not how it works. Just because one caption has a full stop at the end of it doesnt mean EVERY picture needs to have one and vice versa --FMSky (talk) 10:45, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@FMSky: Thank you very much. A few times I corrected obvious errors; I didn't just edit captions all the time. I am staying put, when you had checked everything, I will only proceed if I am 100% sure; at the moment I'm staying put. JackkBrown (talk) 10:53, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes i know, and i didnt revert any of your other edits, just the misplaced periods --FMSky (talk) 10:55, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've been wrong in the past and wouldn't know how to correct. In order to avoid correcting wrongly, I rely on your experience. Without pressure, I await a review of all my changes from you. I avoid making new edits so you can take your time. Thanks. Have a nice day. JackkBrown (talk) 16:00, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You can still contribute lol, your other edits were productive. --07:15, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
That's not entirely true; for example, my edits on "Gandhi", "Eminem" and "Madonna" don't seem to me to be correct. JackkBrown (talk) 13:46, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Anyway you're really good. I have seen your contributions, you are an excellent resource, really well done. JackkBrown (talk) 13:50, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I corrected my mistake on "Eminem" and a glaring error on "Gandhi". Please check my other edit (not sure if it's correct) on "Gandhi" and all my past edits on "Madonna". Thank you very much. JackkBrown (talk) 14:24, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@JackkBrown: as requested i went through the rest of your edits and corrected the ones that were wrong (wasnt that many). should be ok now --FMSky (talk) 03:50, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much. I'm dubious here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1127765987; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Democratic_Party_(Italy)_leadership_election. JackkBrown (talk) 04:05, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I wrote my message too early and overlooked your newest edits. I've corrected them now, that should be all --FMSky (talk) 04:33, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Only this remains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Democratic_Party_(Italy)_leadership_election. From now on I will edit captions only after carefully reading the caption guidelines. JackkBrown (talk) 04:44, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
done 👍--FMSky (talk) 05:00, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_hall; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groves_family. It may be okay, but it could also be that something is not right. Sorry for "clogging up" your talk. 😅 — Preceding unsigned comment added by JackkBrown (talk • contribs) 05:10, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
These are both fine, they were correctly removed -- FMSky (talk) 05:11, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1127789523. I think that's a complete sentence. JackkBrown (talk) 06:32, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
yes but this pic isnt even in the article anymore-- FMSky (talk) 06:57, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

>>> This is not to check my past contributions, but to take a peek at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk, because it's constantly being edited and, for example, all the captions do not have a period, which is strange; I consider you a very experienced user, and I can't touch such a sensitive page without being 1000% sure. I won't "bother" you anymore. 😅 JackkBrown (talk) 07:05, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

nah its fine, and i now added the full stops wherer its needed. i think i initally missed that article --FMSky (talk) 07:20, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please check this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_1992_Final and this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Keating. The past changes are (finally) finished! JackkBrown (talk) 08:20, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

they are both fine, i already looked over them ;) --FMSky (talk) 08:43, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"The match was played at the Ullevi (pictured in 2006) in Gothenburg" is a complete sentence, if I'm not mistaken. JackkBrown (talk) 09:23, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

indeed, fixed now --FMSky (talk) 09:45, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Only this remains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2004_Final; "The Greece team celebrate their win". JackkBrown (talk) 15:30, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

done --15:33, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

"The Greece team celebrate their win" is a complete sentence, if I'm not mistaken. Anyway it's really finished now. Thanks for everything 👍🏻. JackkBrown (talk) 15:36, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to understand if I have learned. It's not a check. Changes on Mbappé: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1128546248; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1128680720. JackkBrown (talk) 11:26, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
both correct 👍 --FMSky (talk) 12:23, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have a doubt here. I don't want to make mistakes. I also want to make sure I really learned: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1129090392 JackkBrown (talk) 14:46, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
was correct, its not a full sentence --FMSky (talk) 16:13, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You could remove the links (overlinks) here: Musk discussing a Neuralink device during a live demonstration in 2020, and here: Musk before a Model X at the 2014 Tesla Inc. annual shareholder meeting? These are two captions. Elon Musk (there's total protection). JackkBrown (talk) 18:32, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Its better to keep those in imo, Model X and Neuralink arent easily understood so the links are helpful --FMSky (talk) 20:45, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But in the text (I'm not talking about the caption) there's a link to the same word, so, for example, Neuralink is present both in the caption and in the text, about 2 lines apart. JackkBrown (talk) 22:59, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Its still helpful to have them in captions imo, cause that's where people look first most of the time --FMSky (talk) 10:47, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Finally I get it. The edits on "Dani Alves" should be perfect, I'm 99.9% sure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dani_Alves. JackkBrown (talk) 15:29, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
yes they're correct, i think you've figured it out ;)=--FMSky (talk) 20:06, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm insecure about the captions here. Could you check the whole page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Zelenskyy# — Preceding unsigned comment added by JackkBrown (talk) 23:38, 28 December 2022 (UTC) (UTC)[reply]

i've checked it, should be ok now --FMSky (talk) 01:58, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm undecided here, especially in the second caption: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Candreva. JackkBrown (talk) 12:41, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

should be ok now --FMSky (talk) 02:42, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here too I'm dubious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillermo_Ochoa. I take this opportunity to wish you a happy new year; a big 2023 to you and en.wiki! JackkBrown (talk) 17:00, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

thanks man, same to you! i checked the article and corrected the 2 captions --FMSky (talk) 13:49, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I corrected the captions in "LeBron James", but here I have strong doubts: "James posterizing former Cleveland teammate Kevin Love in a game against the Cavaliers on March 21, 2022." JackkBrown (talk) 15:03, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

JackkBrown, I'm not FMSky but I'll reply anyway. That caption should not have a full stop. It lacks a real verb. It would need a full stop if the sentence read "James is posterizing […]", "James was posterizing […]", "James posterizes […]" etc. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 16:18, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Robby.is.on: Thanks a lot, I'll fix that caption too. JackkBrown (talk) 17:20, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Classical Education

Hello there!

Due to your edits to the page on classical education, I was wondering if you yourself are classically educated. If so, you would be the only Wikipedia user I know who is classicaly educated (other than me).

Justyouraveragelechuga my talk page 21:07, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, now i'm not, that was just a drive-by edit by me to do some basic formatting etc that i do to a lot of pages --FMSky (talk) 03:50, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

About user Progrock70s

This guy... there's a good chance he edited on Thin Lizzy 1971 album page and other pages using IPs (from Iran) like 151.246.120.235. On 25/12 at 7:52 he was blocked by Materialscientist, the block lasted 31 hours, then the block ended 26/12 at 14:52, during the time he was blocked, some iran IPs continued to edit like him. I'm not lying about that and I'm not lying about his block and you can see that. One more thing, this IP 151.246.120.235 is blocked, it was blocked on 26/12. With all that I said, if he really used IPs while blocked to continue editing on that page, could he be blocked for not respecting the block time? 2804:1054:4010:70A0:B54B:3837:1EEB:6D28 (talk) 08:15, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

Thank you for your recent edit on Darwin Núñez 😅

I’ve replaced the source. Now the only thing out of date is the World Cup 2022. Scientelensia (talk) 20:23, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

yeah but its still wrong, nunez is a lot of things but surely not known for his technical abilities --FMSky (talk) 21:15, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would disagree, Nunez really knows how to volley a ball (think Uruguay vs Norway game) and has great dribbling and potential. Admittedly his first touch isn’t amazing but he can do skills such as stepovers Scientelensia (talk) 21:17, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello friend, Pele was regarded as GOAT by Fifa. The link taken to the fifa website was deleted. Don't you think he didn't regard as GOAT anymore by Fifa? I think it will be biased for footballers to call them Goat by Fifa. Understanding this, they may deleted that post completely. Thus. Though they deleted from their site, in web archive it will remain forever.

So, shouldn't you delete that line quoted "Regarded as one of the greatest players of all time and labelled "the greatest" by FIFA," in Pelé???? HridoyKundu (talk) 10:01, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

actually you might be right.. i didnt realize that the original article is down, so it does indeed seem like fifa doesnt consider him the greatest anymore. it should probably be discussed on the talk page though --FMSky (talk) 10:04, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year, FMSky!

Happy New Year!

FMSky,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Thanks! --FMSky (talk) 02:41, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year, FMSky!

Happy New Year!

FMSky,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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short description is misplaced

short description must be updated on top of article. see layout. visually it does not change anything, however it plays an important role in search results. your edit, short description is not on top of article. placement info Wikipedia:Short_description#Placement. thank u. <_> jindam, vani (talk) 14:13, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

i wasnt the one who inserted a short description into this article. it was this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gisela_Trowe&diff=953756969&oldid=942324189 --FMSky (talk) 14:40, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Important notice: post-1992 American politics

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Captions

hello, are the captions here correct? The points. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Italy. 5.91.21.19 (talk) 11:20, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

only one was wrong, i've corrected it --FMSky (talk) 09:57, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Body Count

Can you please review the sources? Saying "they aren't" a genre without looking at the sources just makes it sound like you have an opinion that conflicts with the sources cited, and commenting "not you again" isn't constructive. I would really like to collaborate with you, but you seem intent on working against me rather than with me. My edits were based on reliable sources, listed below. Check the quotes.

  • Reeves, Mosi (May 6, 2020). "THE UNKILLABLE BODY COUNT: INSIDE ICE-T'S RELENTLESS "GRINDHOUSE" METAL BAND". For those who don't know the whole story, the saga of Body Count is one of rock's great cautionary tales. A Los Angeles reality rapper starts a heavy-metal group with his neighborhood homies.

Also, I did not find sources calling Body Count a hardcore punk, thrash metal or groove metal band. I searched Google to find reliable sources to back up what was in the article and made changes I felt were necessary based on the sources. You can't just revert every edit I make because you disagree with them. If you have an issue with my edits, talk to me instead of attacking me. RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 23:28, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

heavy metal is just the umbrella term for the subgenres you listed. its like saying "rock band" or something. it doesnt mean that this genre should be listed in the infobox. please stop going into articles you never visited before and completely rewriting them. i havent reverted one of your edits in like half a year, its just that this band was on my watchlist--FMSky (talk) 23:30, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It just seems to me like you didn't actually look at the sources cited. You keep reverting to restore unsourced content because you disagree with what the sources say. Also, I don't understand your edit description on Body Count (album) being "it's a featured article" -- because it's featured the unsourced content is any less unsourced? I would really like to understand your thought process for interpreting the sources, because you're saying that direct quotes don't say what quotes don't directly say? I don't understand why you removed sources and sourced content. I'm really trying to see the good faith in your edits. What is your reasoning behind saying that directly quoting reliable sources is not good for discussing a topic and it's good to list not what journalists and critics say but what the editors think is true? Should we be doing away with sources entirely in your opinion? RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 23:42, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

heavy metal is just the umbrella term for the subgenres you listed. its like saying "rock band" or something. it doesnt mean that this genre should be listed in the infobox. --FMSky (talk) 23:48, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm really struggling to understand the justification behind this edit. These were the sources cited:

You also removed the archive URLs I added because many of the citations go to dead pages, so you couldn't verify the content being cited before. I looked for a source calling the album Body Count a crossover thrash album and didn't find one. If you have one, can you share it with me and add it to the article? Why are the sources calling the album rap metal, hard rock and heavy metal invalid? Are Revolver, Robert Christgau/Playboy and Entertainment Weekly unreliable sources? RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 23:53, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

i have now added sources to the infobox genres if it makes you feel better (its normally completely unnecessary and should usually to be avoided per WP:INFOBOXCITE, especially when it is already cited in the text, but whatever) -- FMSky (talk) 23:54, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're missing the point I'm trying to bring up about your edits. It isn't about the presence of citations, it's about the sources not backing up what was presented. For example, you're saying that this source calls Body Count a groove metal band, except it doesn't. It says that the album Manslaughter is a groove metal album and calls Body Count a "heavy metal ensemble". This source is used to classify BC as a hardcore punk band, but it says "Body Count was the first to make recordings that gave to the plight of the inner cities a soundtrack of loud guitars with hardcore punk attitude", which doesn't mean that they are a hardcore punk band. This citation was given for classifying them as thrash metal, but it actually says that the album Carnivore contains "wild flourishes of thrash and hardcore", not that Body Count is a thrash metal band. The changes you reverted were based on the sources explicitly identifying the band as part of a style or saying that individual albums are in styles which may be separate from what the band is classified as. And you haven't addressed the reverts done to the individual album pages. Your edit justifications don't address anything cited in the sources, you just keep saying "it's not what these sources say" but you haven't added sources that back up the claims. I really don't understand these justifications. RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 00:07, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I don't think "Albums That Rock" is a reliable source. RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 00:09, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

this source says "the thrash metal/gangsta rap fusion of Body Count". Meaning that their style fuses thrash metal and gangsta rap, not that it's calling Body Count a thrash metal band. RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 00:14, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

please stop it. seriously, stop --FMSky (talk) 00:16, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
changed up the sources again, is it ok for you now =) ??--FMSky (talk) 00:18, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(please see WP:GWAR for the future) --FMSky (talk) 00:22, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How is "please stop it" a civil response to the issues I'm bringing up? Another example of an edit you made. This source doesn't say that they are a hardcore punk band, it says "hardcore band" which is vague. The disambiguation page hardcore lists several other genres with the name hardcore, including Hardcore hip hop, Digital hardcore and Breakbeat hardcore. The sources have to be more clear to verify the content. RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 00:22, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

im not gonna comment on your edit behavior anymore because it will likely get me into trouble. im just gonna say that i have changed it up again and it should be ok now --FMSky (talk) 00:26, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't addressed any of the concerns I brought up, particularly surrounding the removal of sourced content in this edit. You also seem to miss the point that it's not about "changing it up", it's about verifying the claims made in the article. There was a reason why I used quotes in the citations I added, so that readers could verify that what is being written is actually what the citations actually say. Your edits haven't done that and in a few citations, you added sources that don't verify what the citations were given for. RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 00:30, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

read WP:GWAR as well as WP:SPA please --FMSky (talk) 00:32, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So are you identifying as a genre warrior or a single purpose account? Is that your explanation for your edits? RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 00:35, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

but just a general advice: instead of going to articles and replacing the genres that are already there with the ones you prefer, why not look up sources for the ones that are already there? this would be a lot more helpful --FMSky (talk) 00:47, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I do look up sources. I have never made an edit to replace a genre with one I prefer, that is what you are doing. RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 00:53, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I wanted to bring up something else in the reverts you made. Under Body_Count_(album)#Conception, you reverted the addition of free images of members of the band and restored a non-free image. You're not supposed to use non-free images to represent individuals, and while there could arguably be justification for using a non-free photograph when some of the people in the photograph are deceased, I'm not sure a watermarked image from a CD booklet is the best way to represent any people. I'm really not seeing the fair use rationale for that picture, especially when the two living members of that band line-up have free pictures available. Also, the previous revision had a clarification needed tag for the sentence "Body Count was formed out of this interest" and I had rewritten the sentence to add clarification, and you removed the text, with the edit summary only saying "this is a featured article", which doesn't explain why the sentence that was tagged as needing a rewrite shouldn't be rewritten. You do understand that when the article was reviewed for a featured article, it was a long time ago and it has to maintain the changing standards of reliability and verification to continue having a standard of quality, right? Just because an article is featured doesn't mean it has to stay frozen in time without anyone making any necessary changes to improve the quality standards in small areas where there might need a fine tune, like explaining what "formed out of this interest" means. RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 00:51, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

the picture has a valid non-free use rationale so i dont see the issue in using it there. it shows that band members how they looked back then instead of having a current photo in there --FMSky (talk) 01:01, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What does this even mean? You haven't provided any justification for removing content. I brought up several points regarding a sentence that was already tagged as needing clarification, and there was also a link to an audio file that no longer exists on Wikipedia that you've restored for no clear reason. Can you please explain why you removed sourced content? RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 01:03, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

what even is the problem with that article? which non-free file? the tagged sentence was already changed. it seems like your looking for issues where there arent any

Another question, "The album was released on March 31, 1992, on compact disc, vinyl, and audio cassette" went back in the conception/background section. I had moved it down to the release section, because the sentence is more relevant to the discussion of the distribution rather than the section about recording the album/forming the band. So why did you move it back? RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 01:08, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

feel free to redo these small improvements, i just mainly wanted to get the article back to featured article status. but before making large changes to whole sections, it should be discussed on the talk page. im still struggling to see what the issues even areFMSky (talk) 04:55, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

About this edit to Body_Count_(album)#Lyrical_themes. You restored text that was sourced to the album's lyrics sheet. The text I had removed was original research, as the analysis of the lyrics was not backed up by reliable third party sources. This text places the quality standards below featured quality, as there needs to be a third party source making these points rather than Wikipedia making points that aren't backed up by third party reliable sources. You're saying that the conclusions the text jumps to is backed up by a lyric sheet or a music video? Where are the sources saying for example that the images used in the music video mean what the text here says they are supposed to mean? You're not supposed to jump to these conclusions, you're supposed to cite third party texts backing up the arguments you're presenting. Good sources for these claims regarding the lyrical themes or interpretation of the images in the videos would be interviews with the band members or scholarly analysis which would provide an argument that the meanings have been interpreted as such by others or intended to mean as such by the artist. If such sources aren't provided, then it's just fan theory. RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 01:18, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also one reason I had merged "Lyrical themes" and "Music and lyrics" into a single section called "composition" was that it had looked like there were two sections about the album's lyrics (three if counting the section about the Cop Killer controversy), aside from the lack of reliable sources for the analysis of the album's lyrics and "There Goes the Neighborhood" music video. RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 01:26, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

so then these paragraphs are weakly sourced

"Voodoo" describes a fictional encounter between Ice-T and an old woman with a voodoo doll.[19] "The Winner Loses" describes the downfall of a crack cocaine user.[19] "There Goes the Neighborhood" is a sarcastic response to critics of Body Count, sung from the point of view of a racist white rocker who wonders "Don't they know rock's just for whites? / Don't they know the rules? / Those niggers are too hardcore / This shit ain't cool."[19] For the song's music video, the word "nigger" was replaced with the phrase "black boys".[2] The music video ends with a black musician implanting an electric guitar into the ground and setting it on fire. The final image is similar to that of a burning cross.[20]

"Evil Dick" focuses on male promiscuity. Its lyrics describe a married man who is led to seek strange women after his "evil dick" tells him "Don't sleep alone, don't sleep alone."[19] "Momma's Gotta Die Tonight" follows the account of a black teenager who murders and dismembers his racist mother after she reacts negatively when he brings a white girl home.[19] In The Ice Opinion: Who Gives a Fuck?, Ice-T wrote that the song's lyrics are metaphorical, explaining that "Whoever is still perpetuating racism has got to die, not necessarily physically, but they have to kill off that part of their brain. From now on, consider it dead. The entire attitude is dead."

or anything else? the other ones have third-party sources -FMSky (talk) 04:55, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding this edit: the source cited specifically states "This is a guest review, which means it does not necessarily represent the point of view of the MS Staff." So it's not a reliable source for crossover thrash. It would have to be authored by a staff writer for Metal Storm rather than a user of the site. RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 02:20, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Ad"

Hello, I'm checking in about the note on the Anna Webber (musician) page. It looks like maybe I misunderstood the function of the "external links" section at bottom, so I removed that (apologies!), but I'm not sure what's reading as "promotional content," or how to differentiate that from simply needing to list a person's accomplishments to meet the criteria of notability for WP:MUSICBIO.

I created the article / am responsible for most of the copy, so I want to make sure I'm not messing anything up, & there's not much info on the Template:Advert page; any tips would be much appreciated! // Knifegames (talk) 01:21, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, the external links werent the problem. Its mainly the text, which starting with "In 2014, Webber was awarded the prestigious BMI Foundation Charlie Parker Jazz Composition Prize and released SIMPLE, the highly-lauded debut of her trio with John Hollenbeck and pianist Matt Mitchell, on Skirl Records." onwards is basically entirely a list of her accolades/awards. maybe the "ad" tag wasnt the correct one and NPOV should be used instead --FMSky (talk) 05:57, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much for the quick response, & apologies that I didn't see this sooner –– but I still don't think I understand?
WP:NPOV makes it clear that "it is appropriate to note how an artist or a work has been received by prominent experts and the general public."
It is factually true that the Charlie Parker Jazz Prize is prestigious, and that Webber received the award; it's also true that SIMPLE was, well, lauded highly. (The source I used there is the New York Times saying things like "her best work yet, recorded with two of the best musicians working in New York’s compositional, high-concept avant-garde".) There's a list of accolades and awards because she's won a bundle of each; there are sources for everything, and there are no statements of aesthetic opinion –– only facts, some of which are *about* opinions.
Could you possibly give me a little more insight into how I can fix this? Apologies if I'm being dense, but because I focus on lesser-followed subgenres (like avant-garde jazz) I tend to focus on establishing notability via reception by experts in the field; I've never considered the problem of too many awards or too much recognition! // Knifegames (talk) 08:19, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
look i just stumbled across the article by accident and thought the tag was appropriate, but i really dont care that much so i removed it again --FMSky (talk) 01:12, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate it –– though my questions were genuine, and I'll definitely take any criticism! I think there's still a lot I don't know about how things are "supposed to" work here... // Knifegames (talk) 20:44, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Caption "blocked"

Hi, the caption "The divisions of the Mongol Empire and main Asian polities, c. 1300." cannot be corrected; it's "blocked". The period at the end is incorrect. Page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagatai_Khanate. JackkBrown (talk) 02:25, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

done👍 it was embedded into a template so it wasnt as easily edited https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Mongol_Empire_in_1300 --FMSky (talk) 04:04, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Captions

Hi, are the captions on these three pages correct according to MOS:CAPRAGS? To me there seem to be errors, but I am not sure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6taland; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geats; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia. 5.91.16.150 (talk) 23:42, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

it should be correct now -- FMSky (talk) 14:13, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cristiano Ronaldo

Hello! I found the source number 336 in this article to keep the original title (in Arabic) confusing. I hope you can translate it back into English for readers to understand. Besides this source is missing some important parameters, such as date=, access-date=, author=,.... Hope you can add more! Thanks! Hongkytran (talk) 04:56, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, i added date and access date but i dont speak arabic so im not sure about title and author --FMSky (talk) 10:39, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for Henry Rollins

Henry Rollins has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:52, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I noticed you reverted an edit I made to the Corrosion of Conformity article where all I did was add the missing "]]" at the end of Reed Mullin. I'm just trying to get a grasp as to why you did that. Thanks. Shaneymike (talk) 09:52, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, that was a mistake by me and i already self-reverted ;) --FMSky (talk) 13:41, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I thought as much but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. Thanks. Shaneymike (talk) 22:54, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sock

Hey, you said I'm a sock of someone named ChristianCanada. I dont know who that is, but i dont have two accounts. You dont know me. JuanBoss105 (talk) 03:26, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move of Root Supposed He Was Out of the Question...

Hello. It seems you moved the article Root Supposed He Was Out of the Question... to align with MOS:TITLECAPS, although the album has every word capitalised in every article (including Root!'s website itself) except for Wikipedia. I don't think MOS:TITLECAPS applies in this case. commemorative (talk) 05:16, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think the album doesnt satisfy WP:GNG anyway and should probably be redirected/deleted --FMSky (talk) 11:27, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly. I'm sure someone could find sufficient sources, though, in the archive. Problem is that the people who have contributed to the article haven't added sufficient sources. I'll be moving the article back to it's original name in five days unless you or someone else contest it. commemorative (talk) 04:08, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

must ask

Can I ask you something thats not about wikipedia articles? 67.58.233.86 (talk) 22:40, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

uhm, yeah i guess --FMSky (talk) 22:53, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes you may 50.25.132.172 (talk) 13:01, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You reverted a bunch of my edits in error.

In two cases you claimed the info was unsourced but the info was in the source already cited in the passage, which I added to the article under the same citation. On the other you reverted me correcting an easily-verifiable error about games being on the PlayStation 2 instead of the PlayStation 1.

Please don't be so quick on the revert button like this, you may be losing constructive edits. Rob T Firefly (talk) 17:43, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Scientelensia (talk) 14:23, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MOS Question on Reverted Edit

Hi FMSky,

You recently reverted an edit of mine on the Kylie Bax article.

My edit changed the hyphen in "New Zealand-based" to an en dash. My understanding from the MOS [MOS:PREFIXDASH, MOS:SUFFIXDASH] is as follows:

"Instead of a hyphen, use an en dash when applying a prefix or suffix to a compound that itself includes a space or a dash."

There is an relevant example with Turks and Caicos included in the description.

Please advise.

Edward Bednar (talk) 22:53, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

you seem to be correct. i could've sworn a hyphen was the correct thing to use there. i have never seen it like that tbh. you learn something new every day --FMSky (talk) 23:20, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

About the use of "Filmmaker" in the infobox

Hi. I'm kinda confused about whether it's okay to replace "{{hlist|Film director|film producer|screenwriter}}" with "Filmmaker" in the "occupation" parameter. A related edit I made has been reverted. Thanks in advance! Thedarkknightli (talk) 10:29, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

i think in general there isnt a rule against it, but i also prefer it listed seperatly in the infobox if it already says filmmaker in the intro. there isnt really a need to save space so having it more in detail in the infobox is preferable imo --FMSky (talk) 15:24, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bruce Johnston photo.

Hi FMSky, You recently changed the main photo on Bruce Johnston's Wikipedia page. Bruce is not a fan of this photo and asked me to change it to the picture that I had posted: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bruce_Johnston_-_Bowling_Green,_Kentucky.jpg

Both of us would be super grateful if you kept our photo up there.

Many thanks, 

      Valerie Wikiuser342 (talk) 13:26, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

April 2023

Hello! Please do not remove any links from any articles if the links go to things that most readers are not familiar with. People who come to English Wikipedia with English as a second or third language need as much clarity as possible. English is an international language, as you know. You removed way too many here, not just ones covered by MOS:OL. Best wishes, --SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:21, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lionel Messi

Hi! I found the paragraph "On 26 February, PSG defeated Marseille 3–0 in Le Classique, with Messi scoring his 700th senior career club goal as well as assisting two goals for Mbappé..." in the heading 2022–23: Regaining form is missing in 2023. It will confuse readers, don't know which sentence is about 2022, which is about 2023. Please add more! Hongkytran (talk) 15:05, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Whitney Houston

Hi,

It does not need to be in the lead to be in the short description. It is in the article itself and can easily be added to the lead paragraph. I’m just making the matches with wikidata as Whitney was an artist, actress and a producer. I am going to revert it back because Wikipedia:SHORTDESC does not state where in the article it has to be mentioned. Before reverting back, please ping me on this for discussion. Thank you. ThatFungi (talk) 07:46, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@FMSky Also just to add under 3.1 so you can see it ''' A short description is not a definition, and editors should not attempt to define the article's subject nor to summarise the lead.''' ThatFungi (talk) 07:52, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Barbara Angell

Information icon Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but you recently removed maintenance templates from Barbara Angell. When removing maintenance templates, please be sure to either resolve the problem that the template refers to, or give a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Please see Help:Maintenance template removal for further information on when maintenance templates should or should not be removed. If this was a mistake, don't worry, as your removal of this template has been reverted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. In the Angell article, the large numbers in brackets are not 'references' and are not properly formatted. Woodlot (talk) 19:37, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This reversion

Hi not sure what's wrong with the previous version. Thedarkknightli (talk) 19:40, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

no that wasnt a revert of your edit but rather this one https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doja_Cat&diff=prev&oldid=1153241720 which is against MOS:ROLEBIO --FMSky (talk) 19:45, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But there are multiple reliable sources that describe the subject as a record producer. This has been discussed before, see Talk:Doja Cat/Archive 1#About the lead sentence. Regards, Thedarkknightli (talk) 19:57, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes but i think most sources just call her a rapper and singer. she also doesnt have a production discography. just co-producing an albums with 20 other people isnt what a record producer is, and the article doesnt even mention her production work anywhere--FMSky (talk) 20:03, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

File:DawnOfTheBlackHearts.jpg listed for discussion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:DawnOfTheBlackHearts.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:15, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Robert De Niro Introduction Sentence

Hi, I notice you are keeping on changing my edits to the introduction sentence in Mr. De Niro’s article. Mr. De Niro has produced and directed many films, but I am not sure it should be in the lead. Since he both directs and produces films, maybe we should call him a filmmaker. Beatlemania2002 (talk) 03:18, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:ROLEBIO is about how he is commonly described in sources. when you type in "robert de niro producer" into google you will finds loads of sources, so i dont see a reason why it should be removed. his production work is even specifically mentioned in the last lead paragraph. per WP:BRD you are also supposed to discuss first instead of edit warring. as for him being a director, he only has directed 2 movies so i dont think that is notable--FMSky (talk) 07:19, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Beatlemania2002: So since you're not responding Im gonna go ahead and revert the change --FMSky (talk) 17:47, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I understand. You don’t have to revert it! Beatlemania2002 (talk) 18:46, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Leave it how it is please. Beatlemania2002 (talk) 18:46, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello!

I just wanted to say thank you for engaging constructively with me over at Tina Turner. I must admit, I did initially think you were reverting my edits to the lead just because you didn't like them or because you only had a problem with a small part, so I'm sorry for being pushy in justifying them. I know it can be alarming when a big change happens to a page you're very involved in improving, so I'm pleased we could discuss it politely on the talk page. A.D.Hope (talk) 21:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unexplained removals

FMSky, for an editor who regularly reverts others for not explaining their edits, you certainly make a lot of unexplained ones yourself. You should always leave edit summaries, especially for changes to leads of articles, which I'm sure you're aware are generally pretty contentious areas. Please do not replace Template:Use British English with Template:EngvarB. Raye is a British artist and her articles should (and currently are) using British English. Also, she has written quite a significant amount of songs for other artists and also writes her own. She was known as a songwriter before she even had a hit as a singer. Besides, the NME source (and there are plenty more out there as well) at the end of the sentence in the lead of her article calls her a songwriter. She is not solely known as a singer whatsoever. Finally, Template:Infobox musical artist says to include the instrument= parameter even for singers "if relevant", and it definitely is. You also removed that without explanation. Please explain all your edits in the summaries. Thank you. Ss112 07:55, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This EngvarB gets done automatically by the script. I admit I always thought it was the same as the "Use British English"... good to know. And having Vocals listed as an instrument (and nothign else) when someone is a singer is completely redundant. Removing this parameter is completely common by other users also and I've never heard anyone complain about it. Having it listed adds absolutely nothing. Not to mention its questionable if "Vocals" even is an instrument. As for removing Songwriter - i only removed it from the lead as per MOS:ROLEBIO, its still listed in the infobox. Most sources i've seen just called her a pop singer... --FMSky (talk) 10:26, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, a singer is known for vocals, and per the template, it's not redundant—it's relevant to add for singers. If other users remove it, they shouldn't, and regardless, you shouldn't necessarily follow what other users do. And most sources I've seen mention she is also known for being a songwriter, like the source at the end of the sentence you removed it from. Reviews on her album and articles on it (including interviews with Raye) before its release mentioned so. Regardless, nobody should need to come to your talk page to seek an explanation for why you removed or did certain things. This should be done in edit summaries. Please provide them in most cases going forward. Ss112 10:55, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you adding unsourced genres?

Adding alternative rock and metal are not uncontentious descriptions. I would agree "rock" and "metal" are, but not when we get into subgneres. FMSky, I really am so confused as to why an experienced editor like yourself is adding unsourced genres now along with not explaining most of your edits still. @Sergecross73: I noticed this edit as it took place on an article I recreated this month. In your opinion, is this as obvious as the sky being blue? Ss112 17:22, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I cited WP:BLUE for a reason, this is an uncontroverial edit. Not everything needs a citation, this isnt a biography of a living person. If you disagree just revert. WP:INFOBOXCITE is also relevant in this case -- FMSky (talk) 17:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, adding unsourced genres is basically never an uncontroversial edit, and I did revert it. That doesn't get rid of the problem, considering you also appear to have added the unsourced genre to 10 other articles. WP:BLUE is not an excuse not to add a citation when you personally think something is uncontroversial, nor a card to flash that gets you off citing material. Genres are very rarely uncontentious areas—I would think you know this. WP:INFOBOXCITE only applies when the material appears in the prose of an article. Nowhere on these Therapy? articles are the genres discussed, let alone on Hard Cold Fire. INFOBOXCITE says "editors should first consider including the fact in the body of the article". It isn't in the body of the(se) article(s). Ss112 17:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ss112 is probably correct here - it's not controversial to say a Foo Fighters song that charts on a rock chart is rock music, but it's a bit of a stretch to say something more specific like "alt metal" would apply with BLUE. Though I do agree that it's fine to rectify this through the BRD process and it's probably not a huge issue unless you're doing it lot and getting a lot if objections. Sergecross73 msg me 17:34, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alisson Becker

I'm not sure if there's a guideline or policy, although it's pretty standard for the infobox name to match the article title. That said, I'm inclined to agree that just 'Alisson' is his more commonly used name, and was a little surprised that the title was moved to include his surname in December. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

i dont know what else to do but link. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Any advice would be much appreciated, thank you. Leedsfc (talk) 19:50, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

i left a welcome message on your talk page, the links there may help you -- FMSky (talk) 19:56, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
got them thank you Leedsfc (talk) 19:57, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tina Turner

You reverted my correction to the description of the article on the late Tina Turner. A person born in Ireland who immigrates to America is an Irish-American, not an Irish-born American. A person born in America who emigrates to Switzerland is an American-Swiss, not an "American-born Swiss". But far be it from me to try to improve Wikipedia. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 22:39, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

She doesnt have American citizenship anymore, read the note at the end of the first sentence. There's also a talk page discussion going on rn --FMSky (talk) 22:44, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's irrelevant, but the heated discussion of this trivial issue just reminds me why I quit editing Wikipedia and that I should stick to that policy. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 00:19, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hey. Celine Dion did release a short tribute to Tina. Granted, it only appears on Celine's official Facebook page, but it is fact that a tribute was released. You can search for the post, or I can sent a screenshot as proof. It's important that Celine's tribute is reflected in the tribute list to Tina in her official Wikipedia article. Can you please reinstate your edit? 2A00:23C6:BC8B:C301:7DD4:24D6:2A3F:10AF (talk) 23:04, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOSOCIAL

Hello. I've just seen your edits to DJ Ötzi and Lionel Richie as both are on my watchlist—please do not include links to social media accounts in external links sections per WP:NOSOCIAL. I don't know if you've added social media links like these to any other articles, but if you have, please remove them. Thank you. Ss112 20:16, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

why does the template <nowiki>{{Instagram}} template missing ID and not present in Wikidata.<nowiki> even exist then? no i've only added them to ötzi's article, on the lionel richie article it was added by someone else --FMSky (talk) 20:20, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I doubt the creator of that template consulted anybody upon creating it. I assume they probably didn't know about NOSOCIAL. Tbh Wikipedia is rife with all sorts of EL violations. I doubt all the people who've added the template to EL sections know about it either, hence why there seems to be thousands of uses. Ss112 20:23, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gary and Paul O'Donovan

Hi. I believe you have confused the images for Gary and Paul O'Donovan. See:

Gary is the brother with the slightly lighter hair and slightly narrower face. In my view, you've mislabeled them on Commons and Wikidata. Guliolopez (talk) 20:27, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

shit, you're right, will correct it --FMSky (talk) 20:32, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Great. Thanks. Guliolopez (talk) 20:45, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Honour

In British English, the word is spelled honour. As can be seen in this manual of style. The Lionel Messi article uses British English, as can be seen by the use of the Use British English template in the fifth line of the article. Therefore, the spelling should say honour, not honor. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:15, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

not when its a quote from a source --FMSky (talk) 10:16, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Says who? What policy is this? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:18, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SIC --FMSky (talk) 10:18, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"However, insignificant spelling and typographic errors should simply be silently corrected". All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:21, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How is it an error? --FMSky (talk) 10:22, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
also MOS:CONFORM "However, national varieties should not be changed, as these may involve changes in vocabulary. For example, a quotation from a British source should retain British spelling, even in an article that otherwise uses American spelling." --FMSky (talk) 10:23, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So then you must want to apply WP:PRSOURCE, which says "A press release is clearly not an independent source as it is usually written either by the business or organization it is written about, or by a business or person hired by or affiliated with the organization... Usually, but not always, a press release will be identified as such... In general, press releases have effusive praise, rather than factual statements". I propose we remove the change the source and remove the quote, so the text reads as follows - In June 2021, Messi signed a five-year deal to become an ambassador for the Hard Rock Cafe brand.[1] Thoughts? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:57, 4 June 2023 (UTC) All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:57, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
all of this just so that the word "honor" doesnt appear in an article. sounds ridiculous --FMSky (talk) 11:02, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So when you want to apply MOS and policies it's fine, when I do it there must be an ulterior motive? Do you think this policy about press releases should apply all the time, or only when you see fit? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 11:08, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
heres the same with british spelling https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/new-lionel-messi-burger-launch-23254272 use that then --FMSky (talk) 11:04, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not arsed about which source is used as long it's reliable. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 11:09, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "The Hard Rock Cafe Is Collaborating With Lionel Messi For Its 50th-Anniversary". GQ Middle East. 15 June 2021. Retrieved 4 June 2023.

Heather B. Gardner

Hi. Please do not blank content from articles without providing a rationale for this in your edit summary, as you did with this edit to Heather B. Gardner. The material is supported by citations, and removing it without providing a rationale is not appropriate. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 15:47, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

When i made the edit there wasnt a source at all... per MOS:ROLEBIO only her most notable occupations should be listed --FMSky (talk) 15:53, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Adding photos.

Hi there. I tried moving a 1982 photo of Joe Jackson (not to be confused with the patriarch of the Jackson 5) after a 2021 photo was added but it didn't work properly. What did I do wrong as this is my first time manually adding a photo. GTAGamer245 (talk) 23:31, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, i guess you're referring to this edit? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joe_Jackson_(musician)&diff=prev&oldid=1159208506 You put a "nowiki" tag around the image file, thats why it didnt show up, i've corrected it --FMSky (talk) 05:41, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
the pic the other guy inserted into the infobox was a copyright violation so i reverted the article to an earlier version --FMSky (talk) 08:37, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for explaining my mistake. I didn't realise this kind of tag would cause the image to not show up properly. GTAGamer245 (talk) 12:41, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander Graham Bell Infobox

Hi! You removed the (secondary school) education from Bell's info box, I replaced it, and you reverted stating the parameter guidance for infobox.

Bell's education is relevant -- the fact that he was a scholar and teacher, without having earned even an undergraduate degree, is indeed oft-cited in his biographies.

I don't care to edit war this! However, the infobox guidance for education and alma mater lead me to realize that we shouldn't really be using alma mater at all, but education to encompass all three items.

education: Education, e.g., degree, institution and graduation year, if relevant. If very little information is available or relevant, the |alma_mater= parameter may be more appropriate.

alma mater: This parameter is a more concise alternative to (not addition to) |education=, and will often consist of the linked name of the last-attended institution of higher education (not secondary schools). It is usually not relevant to include either parameter for non-graduates, but article talk page consensus may conclude otherwise

Since alma mater is not appropriate for secondary education, and Bell's higher education is a significant part of his history with plenty of information available, I will put all three schools in the "education" parameter, and remove alma mater altogether.

Please tag me if you care to discuss this more here, or add a section to the article's talk page so others can weigh in! Thanks! Kerri9494 (talk) 20:07, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Protege

Look man, if youre gonna take my edits down, you could at least take down the other Protege edits. JuanBoss105 (talk) 00:12, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Jarman

If you're going to restore that (IMHO off-topic) info, you need to source it. Toddst1 (talk) 22:16, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Name in Infobox

I know my edit would be reverted, but by your logic, that would for a good portion of biographical articles that go by the subject's birth name. Not sure why Whitney Houston is any different. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 20:07, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_person it should only be used if different from "name", which obviously makes sense, why would you want to list the same exact name (thats also already the infobox name) twice?? -FMSky (talk) 20:09, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You might as well remove it from every biographical article where their real name is used. You can just pick and choose. You have to do it for all. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 20:11, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah thats why i do exactly that whenever i notice it --FMSky (talk) 20:11, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Damon Dash

Can you remove the mention of Damon's brief appearance in a recent documentary about Aaliyah from his personal life section? I find it unnecessary seeing as though it adds no new or valuable information to the narrative about their relationship or Dash's wiki article itself. Dash has appeared in other Aaliyah documentaries over the years so it carries no true significance other than a particular user feeling the need to pad related wiki articles with every little Aaliyah fact they can. 166.198.202.60 (talk) 16:40, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done --FMSky (talk) 16:47, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kelly Rowland/Destiny's Child

An edit regarding Destiny's Child sales was recently made to Kelly Rowland's page to reflect group sales of 100 million according to an alleged 2012 press release from Mathew Knowles but on the Destiny's Child wiki and other sources, it says the group has sold more than 60 million as of 2013. While 100 million would definitely be more than 60 million, I don't think it should flat out say 100 million, if it's not exactly that, but I also don't want to edit war so should I just leave it alone? 166.194.204.11 (talk) 23:00, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jos Schaffer quote

I used some personal discretion when i edited in Jon Shaffer discussing "fiat currency", as the original article wrote "fee on currency". I changed the quote to "(fiat) currency", as I felt it was the best and most appropriate way to convey what Jon had said as the only reason the article had wrote "fee on" instead of "fiat" was a misquote in itself, and I am sure of this because there is a video of him speaking, also "fiat currency" is a well known and frequently addressed thing in economic, as well as political and extreme political circles.

You changed it back to "fee on currency" on 15:49, 28 August 2022 with the commentary being "what does the other even mean?", Well I am not going to explain it here, but if you google it, I assure you that you will understand my edit was a more proper one, and you should revert it back. Restorethetruth (talk) 22:15, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) @Restorethetruth: When you change a quote, is it still a quote? - FlightTime (open channel)

Wondering why you reverted my grammatical corrections?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mel_Gibson&oldid=prev&diff=1080880141 Lifesnadir (talk) 04:37, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How is "but has appreciates the sacrifices made by warriors" a correct sentence? --FMSky (talk) 15:31, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This reversion

Hi. Not sure why you've reverted my edit but I think it's ok to include "producer" in the lead sentence. Thedarkknightli (talk) 19:13, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Actually yes you're right, he has more production roles than i had initially thought --FMSky (talk) 19:14, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Miguel (singer)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's really necessary to include the specific genre of music the singer specializes in in the short description. Jamgorham (talk) 13:23, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

and what would be a reason to not include it? --FMSky (talk) 13:24, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tina Turner

Why did you remove my edit on Tina Turner that she died from natural causes? DrKilleMoff (talk) 13:25, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

your edits were partially unsourced --FMSky (talk) 13:27, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lemmy

See this archived discussion from 2015. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lemmy/Archive_1. It's consensus that he is more commonly referred to by the mononym. And we use Lemmy everywhere else in the article. Please let it be now. DrKilleMoff (talk) 14:25, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mispelling

I have no access to edit this article. As such, could someone change the sentence, "a submariner officer" to reqd, "a submarine officer" ? The superfluous "r" needs to go. Liahona999 (talk) 22:24, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

which article?

Reverted Edit

Hi FMSky,

I noticed that you reverted an edit I made to the Gene Simmons article and wanted to ask about your basis for doing so.

My edit was to insert a comma based on MOS:GEOCOMMA, which I cited in the edit comments. In your reversion, you stated "Can you not change direct quotes please?". Please review MOS:CONFORM and let me know your interpretation and understanding for how that applies in this case. The guidance says "quoted text should be adapted to English Wikipedia conventions without comment" but I suppose I can start including MOS:CONFORM in the edit comments, as well.

Please advise.

Edward Bednar (talk) 12:35, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:CONFORM doesnt say anything about commas so i'm really not sure. but its not even a necessary comma to begin with so there's no reason to mess with it --FMSky (talk) 16:33, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removals

Yes, I did notice these removals but only by people acting irresponsibly while re-adding nationalities against consensus. I didn't take them seriously and am rather surprised that you did. SergeWoodzing (talk) 16:44, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

yeah but re-adding it wont do anything to solve it. it will just keep getting removed lol. so its better to find a solution that everyone agrees with --FMSky (talk) 16:46, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not User:Category Adder

Hey,

I noticed you removed my post from your talk page. I'm not Category Adder. I have no relation to him whatsoever. Please judge my comments on my merit and not that of another unrelated user.

Thank you! :-D AgentKozak (talk) 15:16, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

White Wizzard

Hello,


I've edited the bands page a couple times and you kept rejecting my edits.

Will Wallner is not longer a member of the band.

The photo on the page is from 2012, I've put an updated artwork of the band from 2022.

I have corrected the events of 2013 with real unbiased information with supporting articles and it was not approved as well.

Can you explain yourself?

All the information I've corrected is true and unbiased.

Looking forward to hear from you, thanks. Oferholan (talk) 17:57, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Oferholan: Hi, i didn't revert the Wallner edit, the image was a copyright violation, and the informations you changed were unsourced --FMSky (talk) 18:07, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have sourced the information with 2 articles!
I don't see how can you say it is unsourced.
Please go over it again.
About the picture, I will put in another one, that picture of the band from 2012 is really no representing the band.
Are you a fan of the band or know anything about them, or just assume that I'm making things up for no reason? Oferholan (talk) 18:18, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Look at the text again, it should be fine now --FMSky (talk) 18:28, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like you just left that Joseph was fired, but I know for fact (as cited by the articles I have related in the references) that what I edited really happened.
I don't see why would you deny it, are you related to the band/its members somehow?
I have no interest in editing the page but posting the truth. Oferholan (talk) 18:33, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, but your wording wasnt neutral and a violation of WP:NPOV so isnt suited for wikipedia.

"In October 2013 Jon Leon fired Joseph Michael after he refused to perform a booked concert with paid attendees waiting in the venue while he sat in a bar across the street. Earlier that day, Joseph Michael made an entirely false claim that Jon Leon had misappropriated band funds from their Indie GoGo donations and demanding he get more money when the band had very little funds, and emailed all donators to try and smear Leon after the previous evening Jon Leon had let Joseph Michael know they would not continue their relationship after the tour due to multiple issues. None of these claims were proven or substantiated. They were a fabrication. The subsequent falling out led to the tour being cancelled, and the band imploded and would go on hiatus."

--FMSky (talk) 18:37, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see, alright, I accept it. Oferholan (talk) 18:39, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well or you could rewrite in a more neutral tone (and probably more concise too) --FMSky (talk) 18:44, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Try That in a Small Town

Hi, may I ask how removing "media" and "academia" here makes it "more accuarate"? The section specifically mentions both of these so it seems like the opening sentence should as well. –dlthewave ☎ 12:50, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cause the earlier statement made it seem like the song was universally condemned, which isnt the case. Its actually his highest charting song. And not a lot of "academics" have even commented on it --FMSky (talk) 12:57, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose we do only have one academic, but I see no justification for removing "media" as much of the criticism mentioned in that section comes from media personalities. Thank you for adding the Billboard numbers; this is the correct way to add additional points of view instead of removing mentions of negative coverage. –dlthewave ☎ 15:28, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Adding content about Neely's arrest record and mental health history

Hi, I do feel sympathetic to your concerns, in terms of having balance on the article, and adding further context to give a bigger picture about things. Hopefully my comments on the talk page of the Killing of Jordan Neely page didn't come across as too harsh. I will review some more sources, and get back to you when I have more free time, in terms of offering additional context and maybe some proposed language that could be included for an RfC proposal. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 17:45, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, no i understand your concern. but yeah i think an RfC is probably the best course of action --FMSky (talk) 18:09, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Here is something that I came up with after reviewing your edit and looking at some sources. I don't know how you (or others) would feel about it as a compromise, but this is one possibility of what could be added to the article:
In 2019, Neely was listed on a city-maintained roster of homeless people considered to be most in need of assistance and treatment,[1] and in 2023 he was subject to an alternative to incarceration program after pleading guilty to felony assault charges.[2] According to The Guardian, once Neely became homeless in 2013, he slipped "into a cycle of mental health crises, arrests and hospitalization that would continue until his death".[3]
72.14.126.22 (talk) 06:05, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
i mean yeah its better than nothing but it still doesnt provide a lot of insight on that topic. also that kinda makes it seem like this was the only crime he committed. imo the quote i originally posted, "his history of violent of erratic behavior was likely a result of his untreated mental illness" (or something like that) would be good to include --FMSky (talk) 07:45, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I mean maybe several things in the article need to be reworked on the topic of mental health, his criminal record, and etc. We'd need a good source or several sources that actually very clearly state, almost verbatim, that he had a history of violent and erratic behavior to be able to say that in wikivoice. Might be easier to try and find a quality source, and just quote from them regarding the topic. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 16:16, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Another option would be to wait until the trial, and if the case is notable then a new article may be created, in which it would be more appropriate to perhaps go in-depth about Neely's background and history, depending on what reliable sources report on in terms of the arguments from Penny's defense attorneys etc. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 05:13, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Daniel Penny's trial is notable, at least as a section ("Legal proceedings") within the Killing of Jordan Neely article. Unclear now if the trial will warrant it own stand-alone article, a la Trial of George Zimmerman vis-à-vis Killing of Trayvon Martin. Jweiss11 (talk) 12:55, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Right, and we'll also have to wait and see about the degree to which Neely's record is used (if allowable by the judge) as a part of Penny's defense against the charges which have been brought against him etc. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 16:09, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Aceves, Matt; Stieb, Paula (2023-05-07). "The Outrage Over Jordan Neely's Killing Isn't Going Away". Intelligencer (New York). Archived from the original on May 3, 2023. Retrieved 2023-05-26.
  2. ^ Newman, Andy (May 13, 2023). "Jordan Neely Was on New York's 'Top 50' List of Homeless People at Risk". The New York Times. Archived from the original on May 27, 2023. Retrieved May 29, 2023.
  3. ^ Chan, Wilfred (12 May 2023). "'It's a failure of the system': before Jordan Neely was killed, he was discarded". The Guardian. Retrieved 26 July 2023.

Misconduct accusations

Hi FMSky. You've at least twice now made accusations about misconduct on the part of dlthewave, having called them a "troll" and said they are "being intentional disruptive". If you have evidence of this misconduct, please follow the steps of conduct dispute resolution. If not, please stop casting aspersions. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:59, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well he/she is obviously being disruptive. I posted the link to the discussion at least twice yet the content is still being re-inserted. The user doesnt respond to talk page posts either. --FMSky (talk) 14:03, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like there's an ongoing RfC, so it's not clear that there's consensus either way. I wouldn't assume that you're being intentionally disruptive by removing content or that they're being intentionally disruptive by adding it. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:05, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion is stale anyway and should be closed, i already requested it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Closure_requests

Undo on MrBeast

Hello, I disagree with your undo at MrBeast. "fags" is not a common term and just means cigarette in some regions. A wikilink is valuable for readers to gain context. The word "fags" is linked only once in the article. I accidentally cut short my edit summary so I am messaging you here. Cheers, Ca talk to me! 02:00, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Savino

Hello, I am not sure if you got my message on the Chris Savino talk page, but I was unable to send a link on the talk page because YouTube is blacklisted on Wikipedia. Is there another way I can show you that link? Tyler Michael Mannix (talk) 19:38, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Contentious topics

Hey, I notice you seem frustrated by the number of contentious topics notices you've been getting. You might not realize that there are several dozen topic areas that are considered contentious (see the full list here) and each one requires a separate notification. If you look carefully, you were notified of gender-related controversies here, biographis of living persons and post-1992 politics of the United States here and the intersection of race/ethnicity and human abilities and behaviour here. I personally wish the notice template put the name of the topic front-and-center for clarity, but it's what we have to work with. Anyway, I hope this helps. –dlthewave ☎ 15:26, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lizzo professions

Information icon Hello, I'm Groupthink. I noticed that you recently removed content from Lizzo without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks.

I removed it per MOS:ROLEBIO but i just noticed i indeed didnt leave an edit summary, my bad! --16:33, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
No worries. I'm not sure MOS:ROLEBIO is applicable. She is definitely less noteworthy as an actress, songwriter and musician than she is as a rapper and singer, but that doesn't mean her contributions as the former are trivial and non-notable. Can we discuss further on Talk:Lizzo? Groupthink (talk) 19:42, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hittman (band): May fail under Db-a9

Hello @FMSky, The article may fail under criteria Db-a9 as non of the band members has an article on Wikipedia. We will therefore tag it for speedy deletion. You can still protest deletion and if criteria have being met, you can remove the del tag. Best.. Uncle Bash007 (talk) 06:56, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding honours and trophies

Hi I saw you are quite senior in this field of WP editing, I just want to ask you something regarding the rules. What is the consensus of adding honour list of a footballer? According to sources Messi has 43 trophies but some trophies are not there in the honour list of Messi because he was not in the match day squad. Same applies for Ronaldo also, according to sources he has 34(Maybe now 35 after winning the Arab cup) but couple of trophies are also taken away from him because of the same match day squad reason. Currently some disputes happened in Dany Alves WP page, please check the talk page also. Your comments would put some light on it, Thanks.Eduardo2024 (talk) 10:20, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, i edit footballers from time to time but i'm not familiar with the guidelines regarding trophies. WikiProject_Football would probably be the best place to ask https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football -FMSky (talk) 19:34, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Joel Birch

Did you seriously nominate Joel Birch's page for deletion? Do you know how much expletive time I spent building his page?

Yeah cause he fails WP:BANDMEMBER, he isnt notable outside of his band -FMSky (talk) 17:04, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Departed

Hi - my edit about which Boston neighborhood the movie takes place in has been reverted twice. Not sure why. Can you please stop doing that? Emp4eva (talk) 02:35, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cause it was correct as it was. You changed South End to South Boston, why?

"George Floyd was killed by police"

Hi, a response to your revert here: I think the verb "murdered" is more appropriate, as the state secured a guilty verdict against the perpetrator for murder in the second and third degrees. Furthermore, using "murder" adds precision, as an unfamiliar reader could falsely conclude that the police officer who killed Floyd may have had a legal justification for doing so. I would appreciate it if you could expand on your edit summary, as I'm not sure why the factual and more accurate "murder" would be unnecessary compared to "killed".-Ich (talk) 11:31, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It just sounded worse imo and basically means the same thing anyway, so i dont see the point, but its not that important to me --FMSky (talk) 11:38, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
actually it was inaccurate as it said "murdered by police" when it was a single officer.--FMSky (talk) 11:46, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

3RR violation

You're past 3RR at What is a Woman?. Three different users have objected the content you keep restoring. Please self-revert. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:37, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alright i will. This site is doomed --FMSky (talk) 14:38, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 

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